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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 03, 2014, 11:20:25 pm »
I think humans can live in many places, we just have to take care to adapt ourselves to those places once we're there. This includes adjusting to the seasonality of those places, which includes adapting to seasonality of the foods and medicines that are available as well as the temperature changes. In my opinion this is the missing element in paleo (and raw paleo) theology. It attempts to transplant bits and pieces of ancient eating patterns into modern life without honoring geographical and seasonal contexts.

Excellent Eric,
exactly what I think too and also have personally experienced!

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Francois in my attempt to get you understand where I am coming from, some more thoughts of mine.

Look how much our world have changed, just in the last 100 years. What does this mean to our cells and us as human beings? What has it do not with natural living anymore? We have  a ton of unnatural EMF surrounding us, practically impossible to escape. We have artificial lights etc. We have shops with anything you wish from the whole world 24/7.

How on earth could it be possible to rely on our instincts anymore. When I smell an orange, it smells way better to me than meat or fat. Way stronger. I would eat it. But I do not. Because of many reasons. It is heavily cultivated. It is totally unnatural in Finland in winter, sugar and high stress environment (EMF, light pollution, modern life..) is not a good combo at all....

We need to let go of dogma, and look how can we better survive in this crazy modern word of ours. We need science! Good science. How does it affect the cell, how can we better stay healthy today? It is not the same world it once was.

I gladly choose coconut oil over fruit any time if I need fat and have no other (more natural choice). Or fatty fresh and raw nuts. They both are not natural to this country either (except hazelnuts) but I am not dogmatic and I do what works for me. I would choose fat over sugar any time. Sure I do what I can to find the best fat source. And eat local. But even if not perfect it is still better than a sugar source.

We need to be forward minded, and always think CONTEXT! I thought this was just a excellent point of Gerards;

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And this is precisely the reason of instincto failure because as I hope it’s now fairly clear the yet missing answers (in instincto theory) cannot unfortunately be found in but be looked for outside of our organism.

Gosh.. even the last 10 years the world have changed so dramatically in modern society, it is not funny.
If we look around it is clear what is the main issue.

Technology. Clothing. Modern comfort....

Francois, if you live in the countryside and spend your time outside barefeet in the sun picking figs from your fig tree in the yard, it is an entirely different thing than to say someone living in a city (or having cold winters or spending much time in front of computers or even other issues that I am not going to mention here) should include the figs in his diet, if hes taste buds say so.

Sometimes I think you totally forget the reality we live in. You keep telling we should eat like "our ancestors" the primates... bonobos etc. but we live an entirely different life... and the food they ate/eat is entirely different too from what you get in the shops... sorry :-( and we also have very different brain and guts.

Is it socially less "acceptable" to munch on raw fat and meat and organs etc. than fruit and veggies? You bet! But is it the social acceptability that has to rule our diet.. eh? NO. I do not care one bit about what other thinks about my food. I care about what works for me. What improves me, what makes me strong and healthy.


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Francois, my intention with participating in this discussion is to save others from the harm I did to my body during my instincto phase, some is even irreparable (like losing 2 teeth...)

I think the post from Gerard says what I think in a much better way than I am capable of so quoting it here again;



"What was the reason they ate too much muscle meat?"

Undoubtedly it’s because we have to LEARN a lot of things in modern environment in order to eat and stay healthy, in particular, what foods to eat and how much (as well as to LEARN to eat a given food never eaten before).  And they didn’t do this because of  instincto theory, hammered into their heads by Burger, and that foolishely states that they are supposed to find out so much better by themselves by means of encoded sensory signals or an omnipotent « instinct ».

Yet the bitter truth is that finding this out is by no means « instinctive » . More precisely though « innate » as well as learned sensory attractions and repulsions exist indeed they are just by far not capable to do the job. For many people fat and organs not to speak of brain, tail, skin, blood etc are much less attractive and easier to (over)eat than "matured " muscle meat, and so were even often not made available at all to instinctos.

By the way "matured" muscle meat, an addiction of those instinctos, is rather a non paleo thing.
Impossible to achieve it, for instance in a typical African village, without a fridge and connection to an electric grid and modern technology.  Meat or fish there in wet 30°C ambiant ROT in a few hours. In contrast in such villages people know perfectly well by CULTURE and NECESSITY that they have to eat everything in an animal or a fish and, once they have learned to do so as kids  they do it with great relish.
Once again both culture and/or environmental constraints are indispensable and conspire to achieve dietary balance, not a matter of sensory signals.

So from what I got upon reading some of your posts, Eve, unlike the unfortunate instinctos, you have most likely greatly benefited precisely from experience , knowledge and thus CULTURE gathered outside the instinctosphere in particular in America about how to balance a diet rich in animal food.

I feel also that you clearly understand that low carb is by ESSENCE not instincto, as once practised in Europe, which included by the way also usually a tremendous overeating of fruit and fructose and not even much RS which as Paleophil underlines might be important. Africans eat much more of it because their staples are tubers and not fruit.

Moreover, Eve, nor do you practise instincto just because you’re using sensory signals when eating. We should use them again but they cannot  by themselves rule food choice and intake.

So I’m not at all surprised by you succeeding with your diet.

As can also be seen, with respect to « dietetics », Burger, after an amusing rant about ideologies and dogmatic thinking of others and that obviously first of all is so nicely and funnily relevant to instincto itself, reminds us again :

« That's why I was looking for a different approach: extract the answers from the organism, and to consider always the results objectively. »

And this is precisely the reason of instincto failure because as I hope it’s now fairly clear the yet missing answers (in instincto theory) cannot unfortunately be found in but be looked for outside of our organism.[/i]

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You know Francois, I did read your post... but to me they was addiction.
And later I found out, I think, why. My body was out of balance offering it fruits and stuff that would no way have been available in my environment 24/7, naturally.

Sugar in winter? When was this natural? Is this hard to see?

And here is the issue. Can you now see what I am saying?

I am not saying figs are always bad. I say, the practice to put a fig, a orange, a Brazil nut, a piece of fish.... etc etc under your nose and smell what you want every day of the year, just did not work. Not for me. Because it was not natural from the beginning. Of course not. Check my quote from Alphagruis.

I am allfor instinctive nutrition if practised with wild local growing foods. Otherwise, a no no for me.

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Now, invoking such sensory signals tuned by evolution under the above mentioned conditions in wild to limit food intake in instincto wonderland or civilization where these foods are available ad libitum year after year from Jan 1th to Dec 31th  is obviously a terrible mistake.

And this is just a deadly flaw in instincto "theory".

This is precisely why I think the instincto theory does not work.

And why I believe in seasonal eating + naturally occurring food sources. I tried the 24/7 instincto Eden... and the experiment failed pretty badly.

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Health / Re: Chronic headaches
« on: March 01, 2014, 03:17:17 am »
And Sorentus... when you do your long walks, take a look up in the heaven. Let the light into your eyes (no glasses on). It will help. At least a few minutes every day when sun is up, even if cloudy and rainy. I do this every day.  :)

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Health / Re: Chronic headaches
« on: March 01, 2014, 03:14:54 am »
Sorentus walking in the forest will make you feel better, 100%. That is what you need to do. Stay in the nature as much as you can.

Great that you sleep in the basement  :) very good!

I have in between 15 to 20 degree C in my apartment and I do not freeze  ;) maybe you need to do some cold thermogenesis exercise  ;) start with ultra short cold showers  :) or dunk your face in cold water every morning  :) you will slowly get warmer and warmer. I used to freeze all the time too, the worst it was eating much fruit, I was cold all the time!

If it was me.. I would prefer cooked fat over raw carbohydrates/sugar. Seriously. It is still more natural for us living in colder climates. Fruits are very unnatural now. In summer with lots of sunshine it is a different thing.. but even then tropical or cultivated fruit is not good for me.

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Any chance you could elaborate on your fish head smoothie? Which fish and what parts do you use?

haha... Michelte gave you the answer. Easy peasy, just cut off the fish heads, add in the roe or whatever organs you want, and run through a food processor with some water. Drink. Yuck. I always hold my nose. But makes me feel awesome!

Have had only one issue with raw fish as far as I remember, it is in the quote from Michelte. I survived just fine lol I bet my gut gets stronger every time. I even eat dead oysters without issues. Not the bad smelling ones tho.  ;)

I need to make a fish head smoothie video! I will when I get to it, so busy lately with our construction business... holy moly I am not good at this work at all being a waitress my whole life, eh

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Interesting stuff.

I do think wild foods are superior. And I think to eat a high protein low fat diet living in a city might be no good idea at all  -[
We surely need fat.

and I think leaving wild edibles and wild berries in season out is a big mistake too. GCB and Nicole did not had much wild greens did they?
Every successful mostly animal food eating tribe used those. t is not about the carbs. I 100% believe we do not need those. It is about other things in the, just... IDK what but I surely know I go crazy when the first wild greens pop up in the spring! I just had some yesterday, so early spring here. I found some nettles, dandelion.. some other greens too. Oh man it was like eating drugs lol

I believe we should be tied to our natural environment and dirt, literally! In every aspect. That is health to me. And so far.. it is working.  ;) (not telling anyone to be like animals. I like civilisation when it is in a positive way!  :) technology can also be used with caution harming us way less than it does in today's world)

When I was instincto and had all those yummy tropical fruit... living in northern Europe.. it harmed me.  :(

Hearing Nicole worked late nights and was stressed... only those 2 factors are cancer causing ones.  -[

I fully believe our instincts can be spoiled.
And will have to be "straightened out" and exercised into their natural, healhy state  by our conscious decisions that (hopefully) are closer to the reality, truth and nature

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Health / Re: Chronic headaches
« on: March 01, 2014, 02:37:05 am »
Yeah I have a wifi in my room and been thinking maybe it could cause problem, I definitively didn't have as much headache as before it got installed. I disabled it and put my cell phone as far away as possible, will see if that helps.
I don't feel dehydrated though.

And I live 40mins away from Montreal, the actual place to get all the good stuff are IN Montreal, where I am not. My only transportation methods are my parents

Sorentus you can go with your parents to Montreal every second week? And stock up on meat/fish and fat?

You need to shut of the wifi whenever you can Sorentus. At least in the night. Please consider this. Close your cellphone at least in the night or use on airplane modus.  I shut mine off every evening at 8 PM. If you leave it on it will still emit signals all the time!

Do you have a smart meter on your house?

Everyone wants to have.. 3 G... 4 G.. fiber optic... etc. everywhere. Super fast internet connections. Almost no one thinks about how it will hurt us. It is scary. Because all this radiation is totally unnatural and only increases and increases every year  -[

To minimize damage,
take care to stay hydrated with great water (springwater or RO, or own well) Drink a lot! Ice cold water is more hydrating and energizing.

Eat high fat.

Ground as much as you can. Get out in the wild. Go for a walk. Stay in the nature. Very healing. In summer tan as much as you can, preferably nude. Swim in rivers, lakes, in the ocean. The best grounding you can get!

Sleep on first floor or in the basement. Or. Buy a magnetico mattress 10 or 20 gauss if you can afford. Especially if you live on second floor or higher. Living far above the earth takes you out of its protective space, we are not made to stay far above the earth most of the time (!) or we would be birds! lol
I have a 10 gauss mattress and I LOVE it.

Try to not have it too warm in your room. Helps hydration when it is cooler.

Go early to bed, sleep enough, as much as you need. No blue lights in your eyes after sunset. Use blueblocker glasses if needed. You can read in candle light  :)

Too much protein is no good if you live in high EMF environment! Try to up your fat instead. I eat fairly high protein and do great on it but I very much limit my EMF too and live outside the city....





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Hot Topics / Re: Zero Carb and VLC/Ketogenic - A Lethal Recipe for Disaster
« on: February 28, 2014, 03:01:34 am »
I have no gut issues at all... eating very little plant matter if any. But I do high meat... and all kind of bacteria rich foods like raw fish head smoothie... oysters... and I eat wild edibles when they grow, with dirt on... in summer own carrots with dirt from the yard.

the only reason I eat the carrots is because of the... dirt.

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Health / Re: Chronic headaches
« on: February 28, 2014, 02:58:46 am »
Why all I can think of reading your post is... EMFs. Dehydration....

I started to get morning head aches as the smart meter was installed in this house. I did not even know about it until later. Wifi, other EMF dehydrates you. Dehydration = Headache

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Van, the pic is just a few weeks old..lol I am 37 and it is in deep cold winter I am on my way to feed the animals
believe me I have wrinkles you just cannot see them in the pic lol

My love relationship with the dark means exactly what you said there Van. I use dark blue light blocker glasses after 6 PM and also only candles or reddish salt lamps (15 watt only) I use f.lux on my screens and turn the screen darker and use the blueblockers too if I need to be on the computer after sunset.

I shower in candlelight - it is very sensual  :)

the natural darkness makes me think and contemplate more, gives me insights about stuff that troubles me etc., I think about it as a gift today. I love it! It is like something in me have changed, now the dark never bother me at all, I crave it instead.
Just as much I crave the daylight and sun when the sun is up.

It is like I crave more of nature alltogether, and it makes me very, very happy  :)

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 27, 2014, 09:58:26 pm »
it is kind of disappointing that the one who started the whole instincto movement have not been able to cure/have his tumors disappear without surgery, seriously.
Because the instincto therapy is learning if you do it exactly right your body will heal itself. But why didn't it? And I mean... the instinctos have been very religious about using no supplements or ingesting even the smallest molecule that has been cooked - they even take care the animals they eat have not touched cooked foods. So very very strict.

IDK it all makes me pretty puzzled. Or actually I do think it comes down to the sugar in the end.

Addicting stuff.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 27, 2014, 09:46:17 pm »
It is not hard to find grassfed beef and fat  in Europe. At least it was not for me..... I even get some here in Finland, finally. But that was harder lol We also have own 100% grass fed/hay fed sheep that we kill ourselves with lots of fat on them.
Also, fatty fish is not hard to get if you live close to water... (I believe our ancestors did this, they clearly choose to live close to water)

I wonder how GCB was not observant enough to change up his WOE/way of living before he got tumors. As the scientist he is you would think he observed himself pretty closely, especially as an instincto. I wonder about this.

F.ex. I soon can see it on my skin, eyes, hair, teeth, moods, energy, sleep... etc. if I did it right or wrong. Before any illness or more serious stuff like having to use surgery. And when I see things move in the wrong direction I change what I do. At least for me it has worked great to do like this for the last half part of my life... I let my body tell, in addition I do research for sure. And I let the nature guide me. It is very wise. I also do blood works, to not fool myself. I wonder if GCB do regular blood works too? Those often tells you things are going in the wrong direction even before you realize it.

I really think to eat much sugar is dangerous together with computer work or living in a city in today's world. We should stop thinking we are apes and start thinking evolutionary/scientifically how the world has changed and what are our needs as human today, we have a totally different brain and gut than apes.. and apes are living a totally different life than we. Using no technology, no clothes... etc. I get tired to hear those arguments, we are primates and we need to eat like them. Very stupid argument IMO. I guess we hear it from people that wants to justify their sugar addiction.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 10:05:49 pm »
So what is bienenbrut exactly? I have had honeycomb "bienenbrot" it is a special kind of honeycomb, way less honey in it and not sweet as normal comb at all.

If you talk to GCB please also ask him;

What issues disappeared when he quit raw meat eating... and what is still left from the issues, if any. How is his sleep, does he feel rested in the morning, does he get tired in the day.. is he on a beebrood diet only?
Any blood work/labs, and what are the improvements... etc. I would take any information he has. What other factors have he changed, if any?

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General Discussion / Re: What rawpalaeo foods are you eating right now?
« on: February 26, 2014, 10:00:08 pm »
How cool. That is a beautiful fur! You are very skilled Jessica :)

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 09:06:56 pm »
Yes, looks he is aware of the issue with variables. Still he does not seem to get that eating a diet incuding lots of protein AND fruit to be an issue.. and he might not have tested that. He just have tried to keep more hours apart. I have a feeling this could really be an issue.

And.

To me he looks dehydrated. His eyes looks a bit like how mine look if I spend too much time in front of the computer getting lots of EMF... even worse if talking in a cellphone by my computer. They get red and the clearness disappears... Also his skin maybe look a bit dehydrated somehow. I really wonder if his issue is actually he has gotten too little animal fat. And too much sugar and proteins. Those, and high unnatural EMF will do you harm, really.

The bee brood thing sounds interesting. Bee brood? Is that bienen brot, the stuff I have purchased from Orkos? There are no larvaes so far as I can tell, in it... only pollen and propolis? Or are they so few I have not recognized....

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 08:49:31 pm »
He did not tell me about his personal issues Francois. And how he resolved them... I know something, that he eats lots of honey now. But it would be so cool to know more detail. It could be helpful to many, and it would be interesting to my own personal scientific research.

Would be so nice if he would give more context. With little context there could be false assumptions, easily. The context matters so much. To context also belongs more than only foods. Food is a big part though. But the more information, the easier it is to make an educated personal judgement about things.

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The effect of a protein overload does not appear immediately. Our body has metabolic ways allowing to assimilate proteins and to get from it the energy normally brought by carbs. The noxious effects are marginal and are felt only by a slow and insidious accumulation until a  certain thresholds is crossed: excess of uric acid, hyperkeratinisations, immune system disorders, autoimmune diseases, etc. Even the fact of feeling well can be confused with a jamming of the reactions necessary to get out of the vicious circle, for example the re-integration of pancreatic secretions indispensable for fruits digestion.

Sounds like.. bad redox potential.... low energy flow in your system...  -\


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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 08:11:01 pm »
reading it now Francois. He says yes, fatal is exaggerated. That article must have been written by a Vegan? hehe.. this interview sound a little different ;-)
And he says probably shellfish is the best for us. I agree.

....later added;

I do still do not agree good quality protein is dangerous, but I do think context matters. I do think lots of raw protein can be very dangerous for some.
There are so many things to be aware of.

That is why we can just experiment on our selves and tell how it goes, really. Time will tell.

What I do know, though, is to eat a unnatural food not growing where I live chronically in large amounts is probably no good idea. We need to go back to the nature, it is telling us how, if we only listen....

Francois, please ask him what symptoms he got from high protein and how he knew it was not good, pleeease!  :)
and.. what else was he eating at the same time, sugar? (fruit) did he try to quit sugar all together?


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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 08:06:08 pm »
or maybe protein gets dangerous when we are disconnected from the nature - in front of the computer late all night long.

Maybe.

I do read somewhere if you are in a high unnatural EMF environment high protein is no good for you. You should feed on fat then. This is what will protect you. No wonder I always get fat cravings if I am shopping for any longer time in the city! I bet most on this forum spend most of their time in a pretty high EMF environment.

Gosh.. we should all be surfers! That must be the healthiest thing to do, seriously....

I always though... with any diet.. the ones living in cities always had the most issues....

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 07:04:43 pm »
Nope I just read the text Francois, he says there

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Zum Treffen erklärte er nun jedoch im Alter von 78 Jahren, dass er diese Meinung durch genug Tests und Lebenserfahrung geändert hat, weil die Folgen von der gesamten Fleischfresserei, auch Fisch und Geflügel logischerweise mit einbezogen, fatale körperliche Nebenwirkungen gehabt hatten, somit auch das Rohfleisch und auch in kleinen Mengen problematisch gilt.

that also fish and poultry are dangerous.

Pretty crazy ? How on earth comes he to this conclusions I wonder...?

Must be something weird going on. I really would like to know.

Maybe protein get dangerous when we gorge on sugar too

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 26, 2014, 06:54:47 pm »
I meant all kind of animal food with "meat"  ;) sorry I should have been clearer. I do eat a big part as seafood as I have the last years... and will continue to do so  :)

I absolutely think raw seafood is the best food on earth! At least.. still. We never know how the world changes tho

What do you think, does GCB think seafood is not included in "meat"? And would not be harmful eaten regularly as he thinks meat is?

I probably have been eating close to a pound of meat and the same in seafood last years each day... + lots of fat so that would be pretty high meat anyways.. lately I have cut a little back on the meat so there are days I have only 250 grams or days with only seafood but then all of a sudden I gorge on meat again lol
I am just eating what I feel like mostly and do not count

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Remember I have smoked... and had quite some amount of alcohol in my previous unhealthy life.. and lots of stress! I also ate huge amounts of fruits in my first rawfooder years. Not good. Too bad I did not tested then! I really think my ketogenic  diet for the last 4 years and my cold water dips and love relationship with the dark have repaired quite a bit of things in my body and lowered my AGE levels too

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I have so low AGE levels (I tested with that machine and I was 5 yo - retested to be sure, my real age is 37) that I even eat some cooked meat or fish once in a while to increase them...! lol
Oh and I am not strictly raw so once in a while I have cooked mussels, champagne... 100% chocolate.. coffee, or even a blue steak! Despite all that I still tested so crazy low. Might be my other protocols... ;-)

I think we might need some AGEs at least

I had some cooked beef tongue I made myself and I did not felt any bad after at all. I just ate it plain. No sides. But sure I love raw and will always eat the main part of my food raw. Most days I am 100% raw. But I just have realized since I eat no fruits anymore I tolerate some gently cooked animal food very well. I am very careful about quality though. After the cooked tongue I ate quite a bit of raw hazelnuts! No issues at all. I just felt great lol

The weird thing is I do have some wrinkles around my eyes....... how comes that!

I know about one other rawfooder who tested her, she is 39 yo and her AGE level age was 23 yo. She eats an omnivore diet a little longer than I am on raw - but very little calories and not much fruit, almost never meat but she does often eat fish.

I would love more of you to test!

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