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Hi everyone. Hopefully I can inspire someone with a mental illness to treat themselves naturally with this journal.
When I turned 18 I had a pychiatric episode and I was baker acted. I was put on meds, but stopped them once I left the hospital.
I went a year and a half episode free. Then was baker acted again. This time I stayed on meds. I gained about 50 pounds in a short period of time. And the side effects (lethargic, incapable of doing much) were horrible.
Around age 20 I started taking supplements. Like a high potency multivitamin, vitamin c, other antioxidants. And I noticed I had more energy and some of the side effects of the meds were at least being combatted.
At age 21-22 I started taking high doses of niacin, with other supplements. Per the recomendation of an "orthomolecular" pychiatrist, Dr. Abram Hoffer.
It helped a lot, so much I started school. Finished the 3 month vocational program, and got a better job.
With the higher income from that job, I started the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. A fruit, vegetable, nut and meat diet that rebalances the gut flora.
When I turned 23, I learned about the raw paleo diet. I started eating raw meats, fruits and veggies. Unfortunately I didn't know the importance of a high fat diet, so I was on a relatively low fat diet. And I was hospitalized again. I also cold turkeyed my meds which may have contributed, and I also stopped the supplements.
When I got out, I started a high fat rpd. And I've been doing great ever since. I eat 1.5 oz of raw beef fat with every meal. I also started the niacin and b complex again.
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Thank you SO much Boss for doing this! This is one of the most intimidating areas of health for me, I know there are answers out there to mental dis-ease like 'schizophrenia' but with no personal or secondhand experience I don't feel confident advising people beyond their natural, raw diet. Really appreciate if you keep this updated!
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Thank you SO much Boss for doing this! This is one of the most intimidating areas of health for me, I know there are answers out there to mental dis-ease like 'schizophrenia' but with no personal or secondhand experience I don't feel confident advising people beyond their natural, raw diet. Really appreciate if you keep this updated!
I deffinitely suggest loads of raw fats. Lots of raw beef fat, chicken fat, fatty fish. And deffinitely Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy.
There's a lot of research into eliminating gluten and casein, which raw paleo exlcudes.
I'll keep this up to date. My biggest concern right now is finances. Not being able to afford a full raw paleo diet is my biggest problem.
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Go to whole foods or some other place that carries grassfed beef. They throw away lots of fat trimmings. Keep in mind they never add as much fat to their ground beef as they claim. They will sell u the fat trimmings for very little.
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Go to whole foods or some other place that carries grassfed beef. They throw away lots of fat trimmings. Keep in mind they never add as much fat to their ground beef as they claim. They will sell u the fat trimmings for very little.
I actually thought of that already. I contacted thm, and they said for safety/legal reasons they can't give me them.
How ever I get large slabs of fat for $2.50/lb from a farmer. So that keeps me happy and healthy.
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Duuude I'm telling you, you're missing out on an abundant, delicious and nutrient dense source of food!
http://news.yahoo.com/holy-herpetology-burmese-python-found-record-87-eggs-193035561.html (http://news.yahoo.com/holy-herpetology-burmese-python-found-record-87-eggs-193035561.html)
Also, if you want to get the fat from whole food, all you need to do is go up the food chain to management, supes or higher. Explain to them politely your health predicament and assure them you're going to take full responsibility for what you do, also tell them about how distressed it makes you to see them throwing perfectly good food in the trash when there are people all over the world that are going without. Save the threats for last, if they are going to continue to waste the food, write a letter for publishing to local newspapers and eco-magazines and blogs, then make sure they get it. Stage a protest, have fun with it!
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Hi everyone. Here's my update.
I recently started taking high doses of niacin per Dr. Abram Hoffer's recomendation in a book called "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin and Drug Treatments."
It works great for me. Unfortunately when I started raw paleo, I discountinued it because of all the talk about supplements being bad. I guess I didn't realize how important it was. In no time at all I was hospitalized.
I started it again and now I'm feeling great.
I'm also taking a SCD compliant multivitamin, called "SCD Complete," which has methylcobalamin B12 which is good for the nervous system. It also has 800 mcg (800% dv) of Methylfolate, it can cross the blood brain barrier.
Apparently this type of folic acid is good for depression and schizophrenia, as its being sold by prescription only as a medical food at 7.5 mg-15 mg. I'm taking a total of 1,600 mcg (400% dv) from the MV and a SCD legal B complex from GI Pro Health.
I'm stiill looking for a better job, so I've been maintaining eating a few raw eggs per day and a couple fruits. However I'm still largely on a SAD diet.
I've gained a few pounds, which sucks. But thanks to the supplements I'm feeling great. And my pychiatrist has agreed to start reducing the dose of medicine I'm on.
I'm currently on 80 mg of geodon. But I was on 40 mg when I was on the Specific carbohydrate diet with niacin. I never tried reducing it more. But this time I plan to drop to 20 mg, and eventually zero if possible without getting symptoms.
Once I get a better job, I'll start SCD again. Then after I'm used to not having grains, dairy, and processed foods. I'll slowly work back into raw paleo-scd. This time I'll stay on all my supplements though.
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My diet's been a little rocky, not too much raw foods.
On occasion I eat sushi. I have a good source of raw milk so I've been drinking about 3 gallons every 2 weeks.
I also eat about 2-3 dozen fertile, pastured eggs per week.
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I've reached a good decision with my dad. He's ok with me having raw meat in the house, even eating it raw. So long as there's no food getting smelly/rotten in the fridge or anywhere else in the house.
So once I a) get more hours at my current job, or b) get a new job I'll be starting back up again.
The way I'm gonna keep the fridge from having smelly meat is by freezing the majority of it. Then defrosting only what I can finish before it starts to smell.
I've also done the math, I can cover all the meat and fat with $117/ month, which is pretty darn good. Then I plan to spend about &80 per month on fruits and veggies. I think $20 per week should get me a decent amount of fruits and veggies.
I've also located a few good sources of really high quality foods. I just got a source for grass fed, organic buffalo AND buffalo organs. I'm really happy about that. I also got a source for decently priced Alaskan King Salmon. Another great food.
Here's what my weekly diet is gonna look like - feel free to comment and tell me ways I can make it better, or make it more cost effective. Like increasing tongue or liver consumption since they're cheap and the most nourishing.
1. Suet - 3 lbs every 2 weeks - 3.5 oz daily - 882 calories - split into 4 meals
2. Meat - 7 lbs every 2 weeks - 8 oz daily - 896 calories (not including fat in the meat) - spread over 4 meals, 2 oz each
King Salmon - 8 oz weekly [$13.95/lb]
Beef liver - 4 oz weekly (I'll probably alternate between beef, buffalo, and lamb organs) [$6.40/lb]
Beef tongue - 4 oz weekly (I'll probably alternate between beef, buffalo, and lamb organs) [$5.58/lb]
Beef chuck roast - 20 oz per week [$6.40/lb]
Lamb - 10 oz per week [$7.60/lb]
Bison - 10 oz per week [$8.06/lb]
I'm looking at about $29.41 per week, not including fruits and veggies.
For those of you who say this diet is more affordable than a SADiet, you're completely right. With suet accounting for the bulk of the calories, it makes this diet very affordable.
About $6-$7 per day, less than the cost of typical Publix sushi, and MUCH more nourishing.
I'm pretty excited. I'm registered for school, so I'm on my way to having a good career. I can stay living at home and eat my raw diet. And most of all, THIS TIME I WILL STAY ON MY SUPPLEMENTS.
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Do should not need to freeze anything to stop it from being smelly. You can dry age your meat in the fridge, which is what I do. It will dehydrate in a good fridge, and if it is kept at below 4 degrees Celsius then it will not grow bacteria. This is actually what chefs do professionally if they want to make a great tasting, tender steak! Tell your dad what you are doing by leaving large flanks of meat in the fridge to dry out is actually a common thing to do for non-raw eaters.
You can simply youtube dry aged meat for some more information.
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Do should not need to freeze anything to stop it from being smelly. You can dry age your meat in the fridge, which is what I do. It will dehydrate in a good fridge, and if it is kept at below 4 degrees Celsius then it will not grow bacteria. This is actually what chefs do professionally if they want to make a great tasting, tender steak! Tell your dad what you are doing by leaving large flanks of meat in the fridge to dry out is actually a common thing to do for non-raw eaters.
You can simply youtube dry aged meat for some more information.
My dad's already making a big deal about the amount of space I'm taking in the fridge and freezer, so that's a no go. But thanks for the advice.
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I had to redo the math on how much my diet would cost daily.
I made the mistake of thinking 1 oz (28 grams) of meat had 28 grams of protein. lol
So I recalculated my diet from 8 oz of meat, to 16 oz, in order to get 80 grams of protein daily.
It makes the diet about $60 per week, not including fruits and veggies. Which right now is out of my budget. But hopefully one of these jobs pulls through soon.
Health update: so far so good. The supplements are still working their magic. I'm eating some raw eggs, raw milk, and occasionally raw king salmon. A little raw fruit here and there.
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I pick up my order of 3 dozen eggs and 2 gallons of raw milk tomorrow. It'll be the last order where I get eggs or milk.
I'm going to start alternating between 2 beef brains and 2 lbs of salmon every 2 weeks.
I figure it'll cost less, and be a lot better for me.
I'd be looking at 11,000 mg omega 3's from the brains, and 12,000 from the salmon.
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Here's an update on what supplements I'm taking and what doses.
Niacin - Solgar veggie caps (minimal additives, SCD legal) - 1,000 mg 3-4 times daily
B complex - GI Pro Health - 1 pill with breakfast and lunch
http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx)
Vitamin C - GI Pro Health - 1,000 mg 3-4 times daily
Mutivitamin - GI Pro Health SCD complete - half dose, 1 pill 3 times daily
I plan to stop the mulvititamin completely once I restart raw paleo.
However I don't plan to go from my current SADiet to fully raw paleo.
I'm going to start with the SCD, with raw carbs only, oils, and regular supermarket meats. By doing this I'll eliminate grains, dairy, beans, and all processed foods. I'll probably spend 1-3 months on this diet.
Then I'll make the transition to raw meats and suet, and eliminate oils. Then I'll officially be on my version of raw paleo, which hopefully gives me huge changes in my gut flora, and I notice some things microbial influence says are influenced by diet.
I also plan to take pics of my eyes every month, to track if I notice significant eye color change. I'll also be posting my body weight. I'm at a heavy 230 since switching from raw paleo to sad. I gained about 50 pounds in less than half a year. It might be a side effect of my medication.
I'll also be working with my psychiatrist to reduce my meds. I was on 40 mg before I stopped the niacin. I'm on 60 mg now. Without the niacin I was on 60 mg twice a day, then reduced to 80 once a day when I started niacin. Now I'm on 60 mg.
When I get to 40 mg and I'm stable, I inevitably will try 20 mg. Since 40 mg wouldn't reach effective blood plasma levels to be effective, which is what a doctor told me, I assume I'll be able to get off it completely.
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I've come to the realization that my illness requires a life long commitment to being healthy.
I stopped drinking, and in the month+ I've spent without alcohol, I've noticed I'm much happier/less depressed. I've also quit having the occasional cigarette with a friend of mine.
I realize it's more than just avoiding those obvious carcinogens, like drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. But also exercise, and diet.
I'm still looking for a better job *sigh*
For those of you who want to debate whether raw paleo is affordable on a low budget, I'd love to debate it. I did the math on how much it would cost me to get 80 grams of protein in me, while eating a sensible variety of fatty fish, organs, and muscle meats. About $60 per week, not including the fruits, vegetables, or nuts.
If I started working out, and needed more protein (about 160 grams daily), It would cost about $120 per week. Also not including fruits and vegetables.
So there goes the idea of raw paleo being affordable on every budget right out the window. $480 a month on food for ONE PERSON. Not even including fruits or veggies.
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I decided to add homemade pickles and sauerkraut to my regiment. I have a jar of cucumbers currently transforming into pickles. Later today I'll use red cabbage and make sauerkraut.
I'm expecting 2 lbs of organic, grass fed beef brains Monday. As well as 1 lb of raw beef fat. I plan to cut out fast food meals, and instead opt for 4 oz of grass fed beef with 1 oz of suet which will cost me less than $2 per meal. I'll supplement my diet with brains like I've been doing with eggs.
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I plan to implement SCD ASAP. Which of course will be cooked meats, raw fruits, veggies and nuts. I can't transition from a SADiet to raw paleo. My body right now finds raw meat, suet, organs, etc. disgusting. I almost puke sucking eggs out of the shell lol.
My transition from SCD to raw paleo was a very simple one. I think since I had already eliminated all processed foods, and was only eating cooked meats and fruits, veggies and nuts. It was very easy to switch to raw.
This time I'll stay on all my supplements. Huge mistake stopping them last time.
Wish me luck!
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Congratulations! What job did you get?
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I don't really want to put to much information of my personal life on here... I'd hate for someone to find out my real identity and find out I have schizophrenia. That would really hurt me professionally.
Let's just say it pays enough for me to afford raw paleo, all organic ($400-600/month). And it'll be perfect while I go to school.
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I got 2 lbs of beef brain, and 1 lb of suet today. I'm happy! As I was cutting up the brain I was nibbling on it. It was good! I felt a strong connection to it, it was weird. I could like feel a tingly sensation in my brain. The more I ate, the better I felt. No stop feeling.
Pictures coming soon
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I just froze most of it. I get the feeling it won't freeze well since it's so watery. We'll see when I defrost it.
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Hmmmm.... Tyler's like cures like is making an impact on you... keep on journaling!
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Hmmmm.... Tyler's like cures like is making an impact on you... keep on journaling!
Huh?
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DaBoss88, I have not read ur entire post yet, but I will do it today. Here is my story, I m the member of Psychiatric Rovolution http://www.facebook.com/groups/psychiatricrevolution/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/psychiatricrevolution/) group, and under my care Grithner and his best friend Ted (schizophrenia) showing a huge improvement. Even though , they r not able to take some essential things like Minami brands Omega 3 and Thyroid and adrenal powder from Dr. Ron's, but with niacin and RPD, with in a months, they r just improving rapidly. Grithner has diagnosed hypothyroidism and he left himself untreated that, cause, he can't afford the glands powder. They lost coffee addiction and smoking addiction. Please, join this face group and see these fascinating recoveries. I will be back right in this post soon. Take care.
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Another thing is that Grithnir was on 5 different prescribed drugs and now he is on only two. Our goal is to taking them off from psychiatric drugs successfully as soon as possible
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I don't want to publicize what I have.
For his hypothyroid have him eat small amounts of sweetbreads. Also make sure they eat some grass fed organic brains regularly. In addition to the b complex, niacin and Vitamin. C.
Good about getting off the meds.
If they can afford it have them eat raw-scd. Basically only scd legal foods raw. With lots of fermented foods. To heal leaky gut.
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What do u mean by sweetbreads? Sweet is associating for the worst thing of schizophrenia. But I can consider raw honey for medicinal purpose or seasonal fruits
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What do u mean by sweetbreads? Sweet is associating for the worst thing of schizophrenia. But I can consider raw honey for medicinal purpose or seasonal fruits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetbread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetbread)
Nickname for the pancreas or thymus.
Sweet fruits are fine provided they're SCD legal. It's not a good idea to go over board, but carbs aren't bad.
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Since cutting out tap water, meaning I've eliminated chlorine, fluoride and whatever other nasty things were in there. I've also gone from distilled water to spring water, per everyone's recommendations. I feel much better.
Also since eating those brains, I feel great. I really think brain is the best choice for me. Eggs just wasn't cutting it.
I look forward to next month when I start my new job ;D
I have a question for those of you that take supplements that cause upset stomach when taken without food. The high doses of niacin give me extreme upset stomach if I don't take them with something solid and filling. If I have cereal and take niacin, I'll throw up 20 minutes later. But if I take them with an egg sandwich (with 2 eggs), no problem.
Raw foods digest really fast for me. I can eat, and eat, and eat and never get the same full feeling I get from cooked food (which I think is a good thing). But I'm concerned even if I eat 4 oz of meat with 1 oz of suet, I might vomit from the niacin. Of course I'll have to try it out and see.
But what do you suggest? Increase the amount of meat and suet I eat per meal? Maybe 8 oz of meat and 2 oz of suet?
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DaBoss88, I'd eliminate complete cooked food from a diet. Schizophrenics has lots of sensitivities and some how that triggers by cooked toxins. Are u still on med? Do u have any plan to lowering ur doses and eliminate that slowly forever, cause, those medications r causing lots of harms than doing good
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DaBoss88, I'd eliminate complete cooked food from a diet. Schizophrenics has lots of sensitivities and some how that triggers by cooked toxins. Are u still on med? Do u have any plan to lowering ur doses and eliminate that slowly forever, cause, those medications r causing lots of harms than doing good
My plan is to be fully raw by the end of February, but to be implementing a mainly raw diet by the end of January. I'll be eating all raw, but when I'm craving junk food I'll eat a cooked piece of additive free meat.
As far as medications. I'm on 60 mg, and I was on 60 mg twice a day. I plan to reduce it to 40 mg in the following months. Then possibly go down to 20 mg. If 20 mg works out, I'll go on a trial period of being med free while seeing a psychiatrist every 2 weeks. Also having family and friends evaluate me and give me their opinions.
If I'm symptom free on lower doses of meds, and eventually med free. I plan to stay on a raw diet and continue taking my supplements.
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Very smart decision DeBoss. Ur prescription, judgements, thoughts nothing reflects that u r suffering schizophrenia. I really wonder, that the last time why and how u r ending up in the hospital? If u could tell me how u got admitted there, that would be very helpful. Thanks.
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When I started the RPD I was taking 40 mg of my med, and niacin, b complex, vitamin c, and a few other supplements.
Everyone on the forum was very anti-supplements, so I discontinued my niacin, b complex, etc. Within 2 months I was acting strangely and got hospitalized.
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I'm currently defrosting 4.5 oz of brain. As some of it is no longer frozen, I'll eat little pieces.
I can't quite force myself to swallow it without water, though the taste doesn't make me gag.
I think I'm still recovering from my raw milk withdrawal. Like TylerDurden mentioned, it completely made me lose my appetite for raw meats. I bought a grass fed steak from WF when I was drinking raw milk, I cut one piece, put it in my mouth and almost threw up.
After being dairy free for about 2 weeks I can easily put pieces of raw brain in my mouth. I can swallow without water, but it's not easy.
I think raw brain is one of the best things for me. From now on (till I'm fully raw) I'll be ordering at least 1 lb of brain to eat raw every 2 weeks.
This week I got 2 lbs of brain and 1 lb of suet. Next order I'm ordering 1 lb of brain and 1 lb of marrow bones.
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I can't get enough brain. I put a jar with 4.5 oz of brain in the fridge to defrost. This morning I ate what was defrosted, but the bulk of it was frozen still.
Today I came home after not eating since 1PM at 730, and I went at it on that brain. There's barely any left. I had to force myself to save some for the morning before breakfast.
I feel incredible. Well... I feel good. I feel much better than when I was only eating eggs.
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I can't get enough brain. I put a jar with 4.5 oz of brain in the fridge to defrost. This morning I ate what was defrosted, but the bulk of it was frozen still.
Today I came home after not eating since 1PM at 730, and I went at it on that brain. There's barely any left. I had to force myself to save some for the morning before breakfast.
I feel incredible. Well... I feel good. I feel much better than when I was only eating eggs.
Glad you're feeling good/ incredible DaBoss. Must say i'm more than a tad jealous that you're trying out the brain. I tried to get some from my local farmers market supplier but they told me it's classified as toxic in the UK so no chance of getting it. Will keep trying to sweet talk them but not holding out much hope!!! :(
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Only beef brain is viewed by authorities as being toxic. Technically, brains from other animals can be obtained but only from a very few who can be bothered.
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I'm pretty lucky, thanks. I can get beef, calf, lamb, pig and chicken brain.
I'll stick to beef and lamb though. I've recently decided that I think it's best to only eat animals that I know have been on their natural diet. For example cows, lamb, goats, buffalo with grass. Wild caught fish. I'll be avoiding chicken, chicken eggs, pork, and any other animals I know haven't been eating their natural diet.
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4.5 oz of brain gone. I still have 2 more jars of brain. Tonight I'll put another one in the fridge to defrost.
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I thought about something this morning. What psychiatrist is going to be on the same page with me as far as getting off medications... Not any regular one.
So I decided to do some looking around, in short I "googled orthomolecular doctors fl." LOL hard work I know. I stumbled across this list....
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/drs.shtml (http://orthomolecular.org/resources/drs.shtml)
It's a list of orthomolecular doctors listed by state. I fortunately found an orthomolecular doctor stationed in Miami Beach, which isn't to far from me.
This doctor's goal is to have patients on the minimum dose, or nothing at all while taking natural treatments. ;D
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Only beef brain is viewed by authorities as being toxic. Technically, brains from other animals can be obtained but only from a very few who can be bothered.
Do you know any of these "very few" Tyler?
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To DaBoss88, I'd go for goat or sheep milk than cows' milk. But milk is not necessary while u can eat even more powerful raw proteins.
I need to tell u that , u just can't stop niacin, no matter what people say. If u stop taking niacin for 4 days in a row, patient will be relapsed completely and be a total insane. More craziness will be showing up for real.
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To DaBoss88, I'd go for goat or sheep milk than cows' milk. But milk is not necessary while u can eat even more powerful raw proteins.
I need to tell u that , u just can't stop niacin, no matter what people say. If u stop taking niacin for 4 days in a row, patient will be relapsed completely and be a total insane. More craziness will be showing up for real.
I actually stopped drinking milk altogether, raw milk that is. I still drink a little regular milk since I'm still on a SADiet.
I have no intention of stopping the niacin. I don't consider the niacin a medication. While most here are very bias against supplements. I feel that being able to live a normal life thanks to taking a few supplements and eating a special diet is very nice.
So again, I won't be drinking any milk soon enough. I also have no intention of ever stopping my supplements. My only goal is to be MED free, not supplement free.
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Do you know any of these "very few" Tyler?
In the UK, I got raw pig's brain regularly from one enterprising farmer with intiative at Marylebone Farmer's market in London. Can't remember the name of the farm, but I'm pretty sure the pig was at least partially grainfed so not ideal. At the very expensive Borough market in London, I once got a very reluctant farmer to admit that he gave his wild boars' brains as a food to some of his other animals, but he wasn't happy to sell it to humans. Technically, in the UK selling cow brain is illegal, but selling other animals' brains is quite legal. I have been told by some farmers that selling any brains was illegal but this turned out to be a total lie. The trouble is that there is such a tiny market for raw organ-meats, that many farmers are reluctant to sell them and prefer to just quietly throw them away. Plus, with the law forcing them to have 2 vets(1 EU appointed, 1 UK government appointed) inspecting their animals before slaughter, they understandably just want the high-costing meat checked and then sold, with the rest thrown away.
I've often encountered various problems with finding the right type of raw meats/organs etc., due to ending up in a foreign location I'd never been to before etc. The only solution I found was that I had to keep on asking as many people as possible until I eventually found a genuine source. That's why I am always sceptical when newbies claim that they absolutely cannot find rawpalaeo foods of suitable quality and cheapness in their area.
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My cravings for brain are becoming intense. I came home starving for brain, but none was defrosted yet. So it'll have to wait till tomorrow.
The orthomolecular psychiatrist's secretary called me. $650 for the initial visit. $100-$300 for follow up visits, depending on the length of the session. I think it would be very beneficial to see him. I just don't know how I'd afford it with college expenses and RPDiet costs.
The secretary told me the goal of his treatment is to get you off meds, or on a very low dose. Then you never have to see him again. You just maintain the treatement. The 4 visits I'd see him would cost me around $1450, not even including other procedures he might want to do.
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I just had a really vivid dream. I think it's the raw brain that caused that.
Can what you believe have an effect on your mental health? After reading something Raw-Al posted, about consciousness being like a field. I slightly believed it. I came home and started feeling really schizophrenic. I started hearing normal things, like the TV, and I felt really awkward. Like how I'd felt pre-niacin and diet. But then I realized it was that I believed one of the crazy religious things I'd read, and agreed to myself it was not to be believed. And suddenly I felt better.
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Can what you believe have an effect on your mental health?
What you believe is your mental health! In the mind, thoughts present themselves non-stop. Like a train pulling into the station and opening its doors, each thought invites you to take a ride. If you choose to stand where you are and not get into that train (that thought), it will close its doors and drive away. No thought stops in the station forever. This is especially useful for those "crazy" trains that pass through the station 24/7.
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Man... It was weird. I thought, maybe I had to much brain. Maybe I ingested massive amounts of serotonin, something my meds are supposed to make me produce less of.
All these things were running through my head. Then it hit me, I had a crazy religious belief. lol
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Has anyone eaten brain and gotten an upset stomach? I've been having stomach pain all day. I doubt it's a parasite, odds of getting a parasite from grass fed beef brains I think is very little.
My stomach hurts in the solar plex area. No diarrhea, but I went to the bathroom and did #2 an unusual 3 times within 5 hours.
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the ortho guy kind of sounds like a rip off, thats incredible expensive UNLESS it includes lab work
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He prescribes lab work at places the insurance covers like labcorp and quest. However a lot of what he might want done may not be covered.
Its offly expensive. I might just get a doctor to taper my meds till I'm on a really low dose.
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To DaBoss88, why u need to see Orthomolecular doctor for lowering ur doses? It is a common sense after establishing urself on full course of vitamin therapy, probiotics and strict raw meat diet, and if u have thyroid condition, then treating it, ultimately u can just stop taking ur med or you can cut them slowly in a week or in a month and within a year, u will be completely off med. I have learnt that from Dr. Ratan. His charges are also very affordable. Like $300 for 6 months check up with him. But he does not like to take that many new patients. He is also a member of RPD forum. He has special interest on Raw meat diet and probably DaBoss88, he wouldn't mind to work with. But taking off medicine is not a big deal.
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Yeah raw, you're right. I'm going to start tapering next time I see a doctor and I'm fully raw.
I just ate some grass fed beef chuck roast. It was so good!
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another way to fight mental illness is muscle test
Bruce Lipton's Latest Training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU_0BwbNsH4#)
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I got an appointment with a new doctor for thursday. I plan to reduce the med from 60 mg to 40. I think the diarrhea and nasuea is from the meds. Nothing else makes sense.
When I eat raw beef chuck roast I feel fine. No loose stools different from when I went a week and a half without raw foods.
Any way. Not much to report, nothing new going on. Just a doctors appointment soon. And starting raw foods soon.
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I put Grithnir and Ted on direct raw meat and High meat. The result is outstanding. These guys already reduced their 80% medications by themselves with in a month
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I put Grithnir and Ted on direct raw meat and High meat. The result is outstanding. These guys already reduced their 80% medications by themselves with in a month
What about withdrawal? They didn't get a drs approval.
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I just had bone marrow for the first time. It was tough to get out of the bone. But it tasted alright, and melted in my mouth. I got a gag reflex toward the end. I'm getting a gag reflex to pretty much everything I'm eating. Chuck roast, brain, marrow. It all tasted fine not to long ago.
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daboss do you eat any green veggies? sometimes i find after a long period of eating meats, marrows, yolks etc i have to switch it up for a few meals or a few weeks and do a lot of cleansing feeling salads. mostly just lettuces with lemon juice, apple cider vinegar and mustard. i dont know why, i just stop having a taste for super heavy foods. like right now i cannot tolerate raw red meats, but i like cooked chicken hearts. and i have been eating a lot of olives....i havent had olives(or olive oil) for years. weird i know, but i keep raw meat on hand and taste it every once in a while and if i am still grossed out i just eat whatever healthy food is palatable
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daboss do you eat any green veggies? sometimes i find after a long period of eating meats, marrows, yolks etc i have to switch it up for a few meals or a few weeks and do a lot of cleansing feeling salads. mostly just lettuces with lemon juice, apple cider vinegar and mustard. i dont know why, i just stop having a taste for super heavy foods. like right now i cannot tolerate raw red meats, but i like cooked chicken hearts. and i have been eating a lot of olives....i havent had olives(or olive oil) for years. weird i know, but i keep raw meat on hand and taste it every once in a while and if i am still grossed out i just eat whatever healthy food is palatable
I agree that it's usually helpful to switch out foods for a while if you're not finding things palatable. Winter isn't the best time for cleansing foods, but in small amounts they can be OK, even in pretty cold climates. I'd just make sure to eat enough fats as well, of some kind.
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Raw brain smoothie... yup you read that right. Brain, banana, strawberries, spring water, and ice. You can't even taste the brain. The brain was gonna go bad and I couldn't eat it straight. So... raw brain smoothie it is. lol
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I still threw up a little. lol
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daboss do you eat any green veggies? sometimes i find after a long period of eating meats, marrows, yolks etc i have to switch it up for a few meals or a few weeks and do a lot of cleansing feeling salads. mostly just lettuces with lemon juice, apple cider vinegar and mustard. i dont know why, i just stop having a taste for super heavy foods. like right now i cannot tolerate raw red meats, but i like cooked chicken hearts. and i have been eating a lot of olives....i havent had olives(or olive oil) for years. weird i know, but i keep raw meat on hand and taste it every once in a while and if i am still grossed out i just eat whatever healthy food is palatable
I eat very little raw plant foods. Occasionally some bananas, strawberries, blackberries. I usually try to focus the extra money I have on extra raw animal foods.
While I feel raw carbs are beneficial, and I know our bodies stores carbs as glycogen so technically we're built partially out of carbs. I feel raw animal foods are going to provide nutrients my body uses to build important structures, ie. brain, heart, neurotransmitters, etc.
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Wow! Jessica, I know what u r talking about. It does feel good time to time. But for DaBoss88, I would not suggest to eat complete vegetables , even for some times. Celery, cucumber and some wild green juice are enough for him with raw meat, fats and organs.
To DaBoss88, I really don't know the withdrawal effects, but, they are doing good, cause they r on high meat always
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Wow! Jessica, I know what u r talking about. It does feel good time to time. But for DaBoss88, I would not suggest to eat complete vegetables , even for some times. Celery, cucumber and some wild green juice are enough for him with raw meat, fats and organs.
To DaBoss88, I really don't know the withdrawal effects, but, they are doing good, cause they r on high meat always
Well that's good.
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My new doctor has agreed to start tapering the meds. I just picked up 40 mg, which is the dose I was on pre-rpd when I was just taking niacin and other supplements.
After 2 months of 40 mg, I'll go to 20. After 2 months of that, I'll do 10. Then get off completely assuming I stay symptom free.
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I'm trying to build my taste for raw animal foods again. So today I bought 1 lb grass fed lamb and 1 lb grass fed beef. I ate 3 oz of each.
Some things are out of the question though, like organs and high meat. Brain made me wanna throw up, the smoothie I made made it more tolerable. Liver is gross to me. I'll probably try heart, tongue, and kidney to see how I like those. I imagine heart being very good, tongue being ok, and kidney being not so good.
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Great to hear that at last u r taking the right decision . Nothing will be happening , if u r on orthomolecular treatment, high meat and raw animal food diet. Just make sure, u have enough minerals and take seaweeds.
Don't force urself. But cutting the fresh liver into small pieces, it is easy to swallow. Some fresh brain, cut not smaller piece, is also easy to eat. I don't really see the advantage making smooth with organs.
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Great to hear that at last u r taking the right decision . Nothing will be happening , if u r on orthomolecular treatment, high meat and raw animal food diet. Just make sure, u have enough minerals and take seaweeds.
Don't force urself. But cutting the fresh liver into small pieces, it is easy to swallow. Some fresh brain, cut not smaller piece, is also easy to eat. I don't really see the advantage making smooth with organs.
Actually, I won't be eating any seaweeds. I'll ONLY be eating SCD legal foods.
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/listing/ (http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/listing/)
Seaweed Illegal Seaweed is high in polysaccharides and therefore illegal.
My diet's going to consist of simple carbs - SCD legal fruits, veggies and nuts.
I'll eventually add liver, and brain. Probably after a month of regular raw paleo.
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I just got a vitamin d supplement. I plan to take 2,000 IU daily.
I've seen on the forum to take it with a fatty meal for better absorption. Is that true?
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I just got a vitamin d supplement. I plan to take 2,000 IU daily.
I've seen on the forum to take it with a fatty meal for better absorption. Is that true?
I think it's really more about eating enough fat and not too many carbs, in general, than taking it with fatty foods. I usually take mine right before bed, and I definitely notice the benefits. The thing that weakens the benefits for me is eating too much carbs.
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I got 2 friends to try some raw lamb and beef today. One of them didn't really like it. The other one ate so much of my meat I had to stop them lol. He'll probably start raw paleo soon. He's combating HPV/genital warts. I told him how some people on the forum have had success, so he's probably gonna try it.
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Daboss88, having schizophrenia and trying nuts, veggies, fruits ... I really go after them carefully. Usually , these never work or give any benefits on schizophrenia. Niacin and b vitamins deficiencies are so vivid that how come some one in right mind could ever avoid animals diet. Raw high quality nuts never helped me enough, besides made me gassy often or contribute me on bad mood. U might be still feeling good on fruits, nuts, veggie for temp. case they r tasty in the beginning and also if u increase ur supplement even more, that will shield the bad symptoms of consuming nuts, fruits, veggies.
I see the bad evidence of this type of diet on schizophrenics.
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living in florida, why don't u take advantage of doing sun gazing? That itself can cure ur schizophrenia within 3 to 6 months or possibly 9 months the most
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Raw, I've done this type of diet before, minus the raw animal foods. I ate a diet consisting of raw fruits and veggies, pasteurized nuts, and cooked meats. When I switched to raw animal foods plus raw meats, I noticed a lot of health benefits, even though I stopped the niacin.
While I still relapsed without the niacin, it took about 2 months.
Which I still don't consider that impressive. But the science behind the specific carbohydrate diet, combined with raw animal foods, gives me confidence that it's the best diet I can provide myself with.
What kind of diet do you suggest if you think raw fruits, veggies and nuts aren't good for schizophrenia.
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living in florida, why don't u take advantage of doing sun gazing? That itself can cure ur schizophrenia within 3 to 6 months or possibly 9 months the most
As far as sun gazing, I've tried it, and didn't notice much benefits.
I think "raw-SCD," with the supplements I take, combined with lots of exercise is the best thing I can do for myself.
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I decided to take a break from brain, I ordered 2 lbs a few weeks ago, and another 1 lb last time.
This order I'm getting 4 lbs of suet, since I've been eating a good amount of grass fed lamb and beef from WF. I also ordered 1 lb beef tongue and 1 lb beef heart.
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Since soon enough I'll be taking a good amount of supplements (1,000 mg niacin, 1,000 mg vitamin c, 50 mg b complex, 1,000 iu vitamin d) with RAF, and I've never done that before. I decided to eat a kiwi this morning with 8 oz of grass fed beef chuck roast, and then take my supplements.
So far so good, no stomach upset.
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Experiment was unsuccessful. About 10 minutes after taking the niacin, I got horrible upset stomach, nausea. I ran to the kitchen to eat some solid food and chug some water. Then it went away.
When I'd take the supps with something not to heavy, like cereal, I'd throw up. If I eat an egg sandwich though, no problem. I had the same feeling I get from taking the niacin without enough food when I ate 8 oz of meat and took my supplements.
Any suggestions on how to fill up on raw foods, so I don't get upset stomach and nausea?
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Experiment was unsuccessful. About 10 minutes after taking the niacin, I got horrible upset stomach, nausea. I ran to the kitchen to eat some solid food and chug some water. Then it went away.
When I'd take the supps with something not to heavy, like cereal, I'd throw up. If I eat an egg sandwich though, no problem. I had the same feeling I get from taking the niacin without enough food when I ate 8 oz of meat and took my supplements.
Any suggestions on how to fill up on raw foods, so I don't get upset stomach and nausea?
I would eat even more food with the supplements, and also eat them in the middle of the meal. Wait until later in the day to eat, if you're not hungry enough to eat a full meal in the morning.
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I would eat even more food with the supplements, and also eat them in the middle of the meal. Wait until later in the day to eat, if you're not hungry enough to eat a full meal in the morning.
So more food. Take supps mid meal.
Next time I'll try 8 oz beef, plus 1 oz suet, plus one fruit. And take the supps mid meal.
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So more food. Take supps mid meal.
Next time I'll try 8 oz beef, plus 1 oz suet, plus one fruit. And take the supps mid meal.
Sounds like a good experiment. Let us know what happens.
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timing is very important for supplement. if u r on B6 vitamins and B complex vit, take them in the morning and not after 2 pm. Take niacin, morning, afternoon and evening. evening and midday niacin, take zinc. evening niacin is also magnesium and fit C and selenium . Take calcium in the morning or noon
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Daboss88, having schizophrenia and trying nuts, veggies, fruits ... I really go after them carefully. Usually , these never work or give any benefits on schizophrenia. Niacin and b vitamins deficiencies are so vivid that how come some one in right mind could ever avoid animals diet. Raw high quality nuts never helped me enough, besides made me gassy often or contribute me on bad mood. U might be still feeling good on fruits, nuts, veggie for temp. case they r tasty in the beginning and also if u increase ur supplement even more, that will shield the bad symptoms of consuming nuts, fruits, veggies.
I see the bad evidence of this type of diet on schizophrenics.
RAW, you never answered what kind of diet you think someone with schizophrenia should eat. Do you recommend a VLC, or ZC diet for schizophrenia?
timing is very important for supplement. if u r on B6 vitamins and B complex vit, take them in the morning and not after 2 pm. Take niacin, morning, afternoon and evening. evening and midday niacin, take zinc. evening niacin is also magnesium and fit C and selenium . Take calcium in the morning or noon
I take a total of 5 supplements.
Vitamin D, Vitamin C, niacin, B complex, and a multivitamin.
Breakfast - 1,000 mg niacin, 1,000 mg vitamin c, 50 mg b complex, 1,000 iu vitamin d, 1/6th dose of MV
Lunch - 1,000 mg niacin, 1,000 mg vitamin c, 50 mg b complex, 1,000 iu vitamin d, 1/6th dose of MV
Dinner - 1,000 mg niacin, 1,000 mg vitamin c, 1/6th dose of MV
I take zinc occasionally while eating mainly SAD. But when I'm fully Raw-SCD (my version of RPD), I don't worry about zinc.
My diet addresses the issue of microbes causing an increase in copper and decrease in zinc.
http://www.microbialinfluence.com/copper.html (http://www.microbialinfluence.com/copper.html)
"LPS produces an increase in copper and a decrease in zinc levels. Iron levels may also be altered."
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Success. Today I tried 8 oz of beef with 1 oz of suet. I drank water throughout the meal, mainly to help me get the suet down. I ate very quickly, not slowly like I usually do. When I was 3/4 through the meal I took the supplements with 2 glasses of water. I also ate a banana with brown spots.
Afterward I continued sipping on water. No stomach pain, no nausea. However I did pass a stool not long after the meal, which is unusual, but not necessarily a bad thing.
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Success. Today I tried 8 oz of beef with 1 oz of suet. I drank water throughout the meal, mainly to help me get the suet down. I ate very quickly, not slowly like I usually do. When I was 3/4 through the meal I took the supplements with 2 glasses of water. I also ate a banana with brown spots.
Afterward I continued sipping on water. No stomach pain, no nausea. However I did pass a stool not long after the meal, which is unusual, but not necessarily a bad thing.
I try to drink most all of my liquid BEFORE a meal. I find that drinking too much water with a meal weakens my digestion. I would experiment with drinking more water before the meal, and trying to use the meat/fat to help you swallow the supplements.
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I try to drink most all of my liquid BEFORE a meal. I find that drinking too much water with a meal weakens my digestion. I would experiment with drinking more water before the meal, and trying to use the meat/fat to help you swallow the supplements.
While I agree that water will hinder digestion to some degree. I don't notice anything when I drink water after a meal with my supplements.
Also a big problem I have is taking my supplements without enough water makes me nauseous and throw up. So drinking water with my food is a necessary evil.
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Taking the supplements with raw foods "felt right." It felt like the perfect combination. It's hard to explain, but I can tell if I follow my diet strictly and continue with my supplements being med free won't be a problem.
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Another success. So from now on, when I eat a raw meal. I'll bolt down the meat and fat, 3/4th through I'll take my supplements with lots of water. Then wolf down the rest of the meal.
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Another success. So from now on, when I eat a raw meal. I'll bolt down the meat and fat, 3/4th through I'll take my supplements with lots of water. Then wolf down the rest of the meal.
I'm glad it's working for you.
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I'm glad it's working for you.
Thanks ;D I'm pretty happy too.
My first time RPD I didn't continue the supplements and I suffered consequences because of it. However for the brief 1-2 months I was on it, I had a lot of women come on to me. I later found out it was because I was "glowing." lol
I look forward to starting raw-SCD again soon, and sticking to it for all 2013. That's my new years resolution.
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Grithnir and Ted are 80% reduced their drugs intake successfully. They added inclined bed therapy and get the positive result instantly. Sleeping very deep. They also find that drinking raw goat milk can reduce dramatically the bad dreams
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Grithnir and Ted are 80% reduced their drugs intake successfully. They added inclined bed therapy and get the positive result instantly. Sleeping very deep. They also find that drinking raw goat milk can reduce dramatically the bad dreams
That's great. Since I restarted the niacin I've gone from 60 mg twice a day to 40 mg once a day. So I've reduced it by 2/3. You never told me what you feel is the "optimal" diet for schizophrenia.
On another note, I ate grass fed beef heart today. It's a lot tougher than muscle meat, but it has virtually no taste. I definitely like it more than liver. I also ordered tongue, but the tongue literally smells like a cows been eating grass and never brushed its teeth.
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I just had bone marrow. I've had marrow twice before, but I don't think I let it fully defrost. When I ate it it was hard and chalky. The one I just ate I put in the fridge to defrost 2 days ago, it had a slight smell, but it was soft and smooth. Very easy to scoop out, and it was delicious.
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Not much to update on. I've been maintaining with 8 oz of GF meat, and 1 oz GF suet. Except when I get my order from the farm. Then I eat marrow bones and organs with suet till I run out, then back to GF meat with suet.
This order I got 1 lb GF beef brain, and 1 lb marrow bones.
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Hey everyone! It's been a little bit since I post anything useful in my journal. There's just not much to update on. I eat a raw meal daily. Some times I munch on organs through out the week when I get a shipment from Miller's.
Everything's going good. I'm kicking butt in school. Today I have a test, so to prep I ate 5.6 oz of beef brain lol. It's funny I retain stuff much better post brain vs. pre brain.
Here's a pic.
I also got about a pound of marrow bones from Miller's. But I'm going to start ordering them from White Oaks Pastures. Miller's marrow bones are $8.50/lb + 24% shipping. White Oaks Pastures has marrow bones $9/2.5 lbs. And since I request the marrow bones frozen anyway it's not a big deal.
What's your take on buying frozen beef fat, defrosting it. Then refreezing it? I don't think it would be so bad since it's very little water. What do you think? White oaks pastures has beef fat cheaper too. And it's not suet, it's left over fat from cuts of meat. Which I definitely prefer.
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I just order 7.5 lbs of marrow bones from White Oak Pastures. It cost me about $38.
That same order would've costed $79.05 from Miller's. You really can't beat looking around.
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ugh! This is the 2nd out of 3 times that I've eaten Miller's beef brain and gotten nausea, upset stomach, gas and loose stools.
Do you guys think it's from eating to much brain? Like to much cholesterol?
Either way, I'm done with brain.
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I should be getting a little more income these next few weeks. So I'll be eating a little more RAF. Maybe 2 raw meals a day, 1 or 2 cooked ones.
Not much to update on really. It's been smooth sailing which is good.
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Not much to update on (once again).
Still eating a raw meal daily, but now I'm also eating marrow bones. I added back liver. It's actually somewhat bearable. I can eat it without drinking water. Same with the new beef fat, which I'm happy about.
I just placed an order from WOP for 2.5 lbs of beef liver, heart, and kidney. We'll see how they are. I also ordered some chuck roast since it's very cheap (about $5/lb vs $8/lb at WF). I requested they send it unfrozen so I can cut it up fresh and then freeze it in single serving portions.
I also ordered some salmon and eggs from Miller's. i used to eat tons of Miller's eggs, but I got sick of them from eating so many. I started craving them again. Also, I don't like the salmon I get from WF. Typically it turns into mush as I cut it. I prefer it somewhat solid even if it's prefrozen. We'll see how the salmon from Miller's is.
If there's any schizophrenics out there - here are my recommendations.
These supplements...
Niacin - 500 mg
1,000 mg 3x a day
http://www.vitacost.com/solgar-niacin-vitamin-b3-500-mg-250-vegetable-capsules?csrc=GPF-PA-033984018525&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=033984018525&gclid=CLOdt56qy7UCFQrpnAodozUA3A (http://www.vitacost.com/solgar-niacin-vitamin-b3-500-mg-250-vegetable-capsules?csrc=GPF-PA-033984018525&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=033984018525&gclid=CLOdt56qy7UCFQrpnAodozUA3A)
This one since it's SCD legal (no bad additives)
B Complex
1 pill twice a day
http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx)
This one since it's also SCD legal. It also contains the active forms of B12 and folic acid.
Multivitamin
Depending on how nutrient dense your diet is, vary the amount of pills
http://www.giprohealth.com/scdcomplete.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/scdcomplete.aspx)
This one, since once again it's SCD legal. Also it has the active forms of folic acid and B12.
Vitamin C
1,000 mg 3x a day (with the niacin)
http://www.giprohealth.com/vitaminc.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/vitaminc.aspx)
Because it's SCD legal, and enhances the function of the niacin and b complex.
Vitamin D3
1,000 mg 2-3x daily
http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=107&parent=4 (http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=107&parent=4)
To boost the immune system and general health since most people don't get enough vitamin d from sunlight. (also SCD legal)
Calcium + trace minerals
As needed
http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=395&parent=18 (http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=395&parent=18)
In case you're not getting enough calcium from raw paleo. Also SCD legal.
Diet
I recommend all raw foods, NOTHING COOKED.
Stick to high quality raw animal foods, with emphasis on raw fats. Lot's of raw fats from a variety of sources - fatty fish, fatty cuts of meat, raw beef/other animal fats, suet, eggs, etc.
And ONLY SCD legal RAW carbs. There's plenty to choose from.
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/listing/ (http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/listing/)
This kind of diet will not only nourish with raw fats, amino acids, etc. But also eliminate an unhealthy microbial environment in the digestive tract. Therefore eliminating microbial toxins which play a significant role in schizophrenia (as well as other disorders).
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Daboss, I did not read ur posts yet , but Grithnir will be coming back and join with u soon. While u r on raw paleo and niacin supplements, there is no mistakes.
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Daboss, I did not read ur posts yet , but Grithnir will be coming back and join with u soon. While u r on raw paleo and niacin supplements, there is no mistakes.
That's great to hear. Is everything alright with him?
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The other day I bought some beef. And I kept a small amount in one jar, not even 1/4th filled. I had another jar completely packed. I noticed the jar that had more air space stayed fresh longer (visually still bright red, not brown. And no smell).
So I started keeping my meat in jars maximum half full in the fridge, and it now stays fresh for 4+ days if it's unfrozen/fresh.
I just ordered some salmon from Miller's. It's much better than what I'm used to getting at WF. When I cut it up it didn't turn into mush instantly. It also tasted very good. Tomorrow I'll be having 8 oz with 1 oz of raw beef fat.
I'm awaiting the arrival of 2.5 lbs of liver, heart, and kidney. Along with 3 lbs of chuck roast from White Oak Pastures. Can't wait to sample their organ meats and compare them to the ones I've been getting from Miller's and WF.
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I'm starting to question whether or not I buy into instincto lol
Months back, I was eating 3 dozen eggs every 2 weeks (raw). It got to the point where I started gagging when I'd eat them. Though when I first started, they tasted great and there was no gag reflex. So I stopped eating eggs for a while.
Yesterday I got a dozen eggs, same farm. And I ate one yesterday. Once again it was delicious.
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I got my order from Miller's Monday. The eggs are awesome (best eggs I've ever had). The salmon is good too. Part of it was the mush like texture I'm use to at Whole Foods. But the rest of it was solid, and INCREDIBLE.
I also got my order from White Oak Pastures today. 2.5 lbs of liver, heart, kidney, and 3 lbs of chuck roast. I couldn't get it unfrozen, but it's a small price to pay. I'll pay less, so I can eat more. So pretty soon I'll be about 66% RAF and 33% SAD.
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I know someone I grew up with that had this disease and I have thought a lot about it. Have you done any research into the Ketogenic diet? If I were you I would cut out dairy and fruit completely and start slowly working up to a 4:1 ratio of fat to protein. There is basically no study anywhere that shows someone with your condition treated with a raw Ketogenic diet. Uncharted territory. The studies that they do have show the participants eating processed meats and diet sodas and even then there are reports of a complete elimination of symptoms. Get rid of the sugars!
A Case Report of the Resolution of Schizophrenic Symptoms on a Ketogenic Diet:
https://s5-eu5.ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/highlight.pl?c=hf&rid=LBLNQMLPMLPO&l=english&cat=web&sp=c5d3d2a8658133c644456da4214cc778&ts=MTM2MjE1MjE5Nw%3D%3D&q=ketogenic+diet+cured+my+shizophrenia&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nutritionandmetabolism.com%2Fcontent%2F6%2F1%2F10&/file.gz (https://s5-eu5.ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/highlight.pl?c=hf&rid=LBLNQMLPMLPO&l=english&cat=web&sp=c5d3d2a8658133c644456da4214cc778&ts=MTM2MjE1MjE5Nw%3D%3D&q=ketogenic+diet+cured+my+shizophrenia&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nutritionandmetabolism.com%2Fcontent%2F6%2F1%2F10&/file.gz)
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Thank you Sandman. I appreciate your input, but I feel I'm doing very well with my current diet and supplement regiment. I (unlike most on this forum) feel carbs are fine. Although I personally think the carbs should come from raw and SCD legal sources. However in winter I think you should increase fat from animal foods and lower carb intake, but not completely eliminate carbs entirely.
I have a new respect for organs. I started getting my organs from White Oak Pastures, who grass feeds year round and supplements with some (not all) hay in the winter. I managed to eat 8 oz beef heart yesterday, and 4 oz liver and 4 oz kidney today. The liver was much better than what I was getting from Whole Foods.
I'm drinking distilled water again. I definitely feel it tastes cleaner than the spring water I was getting in plastic jugs.
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Daboss, ur organs intake is pretty impressive. Definitely to add on high meat on top of everything. Somehow, I also strongly believe to eliminate carbs for good reason. At least to see the fastest result and to add on carbohydrates later on , after heal up. Also winter needs more fats and that is a wise point indeed. Ancient Eskimo never suffer of lack of vit D. So make sure to eat fish skin or fresh blood from animals that stay under the sun for a long time. Raw cod liver fermented oil , Minami Omega3 900 mg a day , will help u rapid recovery. Wishing u all the best.
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Thanks raw. I'll eventually do high meat. Likely when I'm fully raw again. As far as carbs, I feel they're fine. I did really well eating a basically instincto diet when I first started. I ate my meats by themselves, and plant foods by themselves.
I eat fish skin (skin on the salmon), and some times drink the blood mixed with orange juice.
I try to avoid supplements. I think my money is better invested into the basic supplements I need (niacin, b complex, vitamin c, vitamin d) and diet.
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Great to hear that. But I always remember what Dorothy says in this forum and I find that that is the true fact.She mentions, no matter how much fats we intake everyday, but that never could be equal of Minami Omega 3. I put my son in real Raw Paleo diet where he consumes everyday high fats like beef fats, marrows and brain, egg yolks... but still he feels cold until I put him again on raw Cod liver fermented oil. Ancient Eskimos used to dip their all food in seal fats.
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Also there is no rules when u start high meat. Matter of facts, high meat will cut the toxic part from ur cooked food. Ur high meat should be the 1st priority
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honestly, when you get a chance, da boss, do the old shoe method for high meat first, you can search it on the forurm. i know you cant now cause you live with your pops. but basically you dry age a large chunk of meat in the fridge for like 3-5 months, turning it weekly so all sides get exposed to air and dry, it starts to smell so good, and turns the inside into the most tender meat ever. i have some month old deer going in my fridge, its the most alluring aroma when i open that shit, like a cheese cave or something! i hope you get the chance soon.
also as far as everyone pushing lowcarb/keto, i gotta admit its pretty fucking awesome for mood and energy regulation.
also, i am glad you are sticking with your supplements. i realized shit hit the motherf388ing fans for me when i went off all my supplements, plus stopped all caffiene and marijuana at the same time, holy its taken like over a year to struggle and recover, but now i am back on extra vitamins(iodine protocol starting soon) and adding back in some SAMe, COq10 and inositol, its a temporary thing as i have seen so much recovery of my body and brain since ditching carbs....seriously my endocrine system is healing and its really having a great effect on my brain.
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Jessica, if you take supplements, why not try the supplements I take? They're relatively inexpensive (especially compared to the FCLO). If you're really hell bent on not taking the supplements, at least read Dr. Abram Hoffer's book on treating schizophrenia effectively using these supplements.
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Schizophrenia-Complementary-Vitamin-Treatments/dp/1897025084 (http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Schizophrenia-Complementary-Vitamin-Treatments/dp/1897025084)
by Dr. Abram Hoffer - Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments
This book got me out of my drug induce coma, and literally got me mentally well enough to start school and get a better job in my selected field. I'm now studying for an even better job.
Raw paleo plus the supplements I recommend in my journal make a world of difference.
Btw why would you want to take CoQ10 when it's likely been heated and is unnatural compared to what you can get in GF heart?
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i am starting to take pretty close to what you are. lots of b vits, been taking c for a while, samE and inositol for the liver blood glucose regulation, iodine(at a super low dose) and selenium because i crave foods that contain these two elements and also have a little nodule on my thyroid. you are right about the coq10, i would rather eat raw hearts BUT i have had no taste for red meats on a regular basis for quite a few months now, so ive been eating chicken. i have eaten a few chicken hearts here and there but my taste for those wanes pretty easily. all i know is that when i took those two supplements in the past i had much greater energy. so we shall see. i only plan on taking them for a few months, definitely if i see a benefit i might switch over to heart, if i can stomach it at the time, and see if that continues. i have really benefited emensly from low carb so far though, i think a lot of my issues mentally and physically have been due to endocrine disruption from insulin! tmi but i even have had my period regularly for three months after a five year absence, thats enough proof for me that i am going in the right direction:)
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That's good. If you're already taking the b vitamins and other things, just think about taking high doses of niacin.
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I just installed a shower head filter that removes chlorine and other chemicals.
http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/showerwise.asp (http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/showerwise.asp)
I just took my first shower and I gotta say it feels nice. With the shower head and distiller I've eliminated all sources of chlorine and other chemicals in the water supply.
I upped my fat from 1 oz per meal to 1.5 oz per meal starting a few days ago. The meals are more filling, that's for sure.
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BUT i have had no taste for red meats on a regular basis for quite a few months now, so ive been eating chicken.
Do you drink raw milk or raw milk products? I noticed when I was drinking raw milk I lost my taste for RAF except for sushi. The exact same GF beef I was eating raw previously made me gag and I couldn't eat it. Same thing with the eggs I was eating.
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Do you drink raw milk or raw milk products? I noticed when I was drinking raw milk I lost my taste for RAF except for sushi. The exact same GF beef I was eating raw previously made me gag and I couldn't eat it. Same thing with the eggs I was eating.
I experienced the same thing. It means that the opioids in the raw dairy are affecting the brain,imo.
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I experienced the same thing. It means that the opioids in the raw dairy are affecting the brain,imo.
I thought it was bacterial. With raw milk I started developing white stuff on my tongue. The bacteria in the milk are designed for a baby cow. If the bacteria in the gut can influence the brain. Maybe those bacteria encourage the baby cow to eat raw grasses/no animal foods. Maybe those bacteria did the same to me, encouraging me to not eat animal foods. Could be raw animal foods are recognized by my body, and the bacteria had my body saying not to eat them. And since my body didn't recognize them cooked, I could eat them in their cooked state.
I don't know, could be opioids. Could be the bacteria. All I know is I drink regular milk (pasturized, Publix brand) and I still have an appetite for raw meats, eggs, organs, beef fat, etc. But raw milk made me unable to eat those same foods raw.
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Since putting in the shower head, parts of my scalp seem to be peeling/flaky. Anyone think it's detox? With the shower head and distiller the only time I come into contact with chlorine or fluoride is when I brush, wash dishes, and shave.
Previously I was showering in heavily chlorinated water, and drinking bottled spring water, which I've heard can be filtered tap water.
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Try a different approach.
Get water from the faucet and put in a big bucket.
Let it stand overnight, 12 hours.
That should led the chlorine evaporate.
Use this water with a dipper for your shower.
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Use this water with a dipper for your shower.
What's a dipper? And why this approach GS? Is there something about the shower filter that's bad?
I definitely think it's detox. I woke up today with 2 huge pimples on my forehead.
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What's a dipper? And why this approach GS? Is there something about the shower filter that's bad?
I definitely think it's detox. I woke up today with 2 huge pimples on my forehead.
A dipper is just a cup with a long handle, like the kind of scoop thing that you use with a punchbowl.
I think he's telling you to try this experiment to see if the filter is actually causing some problems.
I really doubt this is detox from your shower head. I also doubt the filter is the problem, either. Most likely it's detox from a recent change in your diet, or a problem that is being caused by a recent change in your diet.
People freak out too much about chlorine in water. As long as you're eating a good diet and not drinking a ton of chlorinated water, it shouldn't cause any real problems.
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Jessica, I think it makes sense to me, even though I have not tried low carb diet yet. "
also as far as everyone pushing lowcarb/keto, i gotta admit its pretty fucking awesome for mood and energy regulation." It makes so much sense! To Daboss, try it for a week to 3 months , going on low carb diet and write back here.
If u really love milk, then try raw sheep milk instead of cows. Cows milk is no good anyway
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It could be that I recently increased my RAF and raw fat consumption. It could also be the shower head. I feel fine though. I've heard the body can absorb more chlorine than you'd absorb from drinking 8 glasses of chlorinated water in a 5 minute shower. IDK how true that is.
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I recommend chlorine free showers to the extremely sick.
Every bit of a factor counts.
Saving faucet water in a bucket and letting it stand for 12 hours will allow the chlorine to evaporate.
You can then use that chlorine free water in the bucket to take a "shower".
When the person is well and strong, they can shower with chlorinated water again.
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Daboss, ur organs intake is pretty impressive. Definitely to add on high meat on top of everything.
I just ate another half a pound of heart. Also, I decided to make some high meat. It'll be in my car, hopefully some air fresheners can prevent my car from smelling to badly.
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Do you drink raw milk or raw milk products? I noticed when I was drinking raw milk I lost my taste for RAF except for sushi. The exact same GF beef I was eating raw previously made me gag and I couldn't eat it. Same thing with the eggs I was eating.
yeh I am finding this to be true. I was eating a lot of raw milk swiss cheese(its fucking delicious) and decided to cut out dairy for a while, low and behold the last few days I am munching down on some pretty delicious grass fed beef, and lamb heart/kidney/meat dog food.....! I also noticed my mood and energy have improved from bumping up the vitamins. I feel like a lot of its seasonal too, its starting to get warmer here, so food baked in copious amounts of warm broth isn't so tempting. thanks for reminded me to eat my hearts for coQ10, I am going to try an do better to eat the whole animal, practice what I preach :)
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Good for you jessica. Dairy is definitely no good in my book.
The high meat is coming out good. I ate some today before work and I definitely have more energy and am more awake.
I also got my order from millers for 1 dozen duck and 1 dozen chicken eggs. Theyre pretty tasty.
I've been spacing out my plant and animal foods. I notice I have more energy when i separate them by about an hour.
I plan to be fully raw in the next 2 weeks. I'll use this time to transition so I don't experience to harsh of die off.
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High meat is incredible. I've never been to fond of it. But I can't believe how awake and how much energy I had after eating it. For a little bit after eating it, it felt like I had a rock in my stomach. But I've already passed a stool and it came out fine, and the feeling of a brick in my stomach went away within 30 minutes.
Pretty soon Miller's farm will be out of the winter season (I believe when I called they said april they return to grass fed/not hay fed). Then I'll start ordering brain again, and I'll likely increase my egg consumption a little.
I've noticed to much organs give me diarrhea. For example, when I ate about 8 oz of brain over 2 days I had horrible nausea and diarrhea. When I ate 4 oz liver with 4 oz kidney I had moderately loose stools. But I can eat half a pound of heart without a problem.
Here's the nutrition analysis of beef heart, raw
- http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3464/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3464/2)
It's likely because it's not excessively high in any vitamins or cholesterol.
Kidney
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3466/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3466/2)
Very high in B12 and selenium, also a moderate amount of cholesterol compared to heart.
Liver
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3468/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3468/2)
Loaded with B12, copper, and Vitamin A
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Interestingly, I don't just tolerate the high meat. But I just swallowed a piece without water, which I've never been able to do before. It felt like I could instantly breath better. And I became more relaxed.
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Today I had the shits! I woke up and had a loose stool, then later in the day had another loose stool. No other symptoms though, I'm wide awake and fine. I had a piece of high meat today. Ate one regular meal (a ham sandwich).
I just got my order from White Oak Pastures, 9 lbs boneless chuck roast and 5 lbs marrow bones. I'm placing another order right now for 12 lbs boneless chuck roast since I eat 1.5 lbs per day (not including the 4 oz liver and 4 oz kidney, plus 8 oz heart, and 8 oz salmon I have per week). I'm also eating some chicken and duck eggs. I'll eventually start buying lamb too, maybe buffalo.
I just saw my psychiatrist, and he agreed to reduce the geodon from 40 mg per day to 20 mg daily. As soon as I finish my current bottle of 40 mg, I'll be starting on 20 mg. I asked him to prescribe 20 mg twice a day in case I experience any negative symptoms so I can increase it back to 40.
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Passed my first stool today, and it was solid.
I just found a fluoride free tooth paste, sweet.
So here are some recent changes to my diet/life style.
1) increased raw animal fats, and overall raw animal food consumption. Today is day one of being 100% raw
2) started drinking home made distilled water
3) started using a shower head that purifies the water/eliminates chemicals, heavy metals and bacteria
4) added a calcium supplement when I increased raw animal food consumption
5) found a fluoride free toothpaste
6) started eating high meat
I plan to start working out soon. I expect the fat I've gained since eating a SADiet will melt right off me (because of the diet) and then once it's all gone I'll have some muscle underneath. Then once I lose all the extra weight, I'll start doing cardio again.
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I'm feeling a lot better today (day #2) of being fully raw than I did yesterday. The excessive thrush on my tongue is barely noticeable now, and I passed a huge stool that almost clogged the toilet. It actually did clog the toilet, but after trying to flush a couple times it went through.
I'm eating 2-3 raw chicken and duck eggs. 8 oz GF beef chuck roast, with 1.5 oz GF raw beef fat per meal. And an hour before my meal I have a fruit - either an apple, banana, strawberries, blackberries, oranges, etc. (all SCD legal raw carbs). When I want to have organs, I eat 4 oz liver or kidney with 4 oz GF beef chuck roast.
I'm still taking all my supplements - calcium, niacin, b complex, vitamin c, multivitamin, vitamin d3, and my meds.
So far so good, no complaints and I'm feeling good. I expect to feel better as I go.
I remember when I started (cooked) SCD, I felt like crap for a while. Later I felt a little better. But this time, doing raw_scd, there's very little detox/die off/feeling like crap. I think it's because everything's so well absorbed, and all the foods have bacteria to help replenish as they're excreted/killed.
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Interesting, no detox symptoms on my 4th day in.
My stools keep getting bigger and browner. A sign of improved digestive health. Before they were a yellow/tan color, and not always that big. Also I've been needing to wipe less and less.
The thrush on my tongue has been disappearing.
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I just calculated how much fat, calories, protein and carbs I'm getting. I'm getting 1/2 my calories from fat, about 1/6 from carbs and 1/3 from protein. I get about 160 grams of protein, 110 grams of fat, and under 100 grams of carbs. I think that makes me low carb?
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Since restarting I've gotten the shits a few times. I think it's a symptom of die off. I look healthier and my eyes are brighter. Hopefully I start losing weight soon.
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My stools are getting so much bigger and changing from yellow to brown.
I'm experiencing die off, which I'm sure is causing my achy joints and occasional stomach upset.
Over all though, I'm feeling better than when I started. I'm really impressed by my stools. When I did cooked scd it took months before my stool started being big and brown again.
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Die off sucks. I had the shits again today. My stomach feels weird.
On another note, I got my raw almonds today. And ate 28 grams without soaking them. No digestive troubles. Fyi the shits started before I ate the almonds.
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The die off is getting bad. Nausea, diarrhea, feeling like I have a fever. Insomnia.
More white spots are popping up on my teeth
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hey are you also transitioning to lower carb/ketogenic metabolism? if you are around 30 carbs you might be. its necessary to up water and electrolyte intake as your body will be dumping those like crazy. especially if you are having the shits. one of the most basic ways is to make up a quick bone broth and add some seaweed and salt to it.
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I'm getting like 100 grams of carbs daily, give or take 20 grams. I'm pretty sure the diahrea and other negative symptoms are from die off. A lot of people who do scd get these symptoms when they first start. And since my diet eliminates more than just complex carbs, but also cooked foods, I imagine my die off would be worse.
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I'm noticing the white spots that have been popping up on my teeth are more visible when I wake up. They're even more noticeable the next morning when I go to sleep without having dinner. Leading me to believe id experience some benefit from intermittent fasting. I may start having one day a week where I eat a large breakfast then fast til the next day.
Also, my diahrea has switched to constipation. I'm experiencing some pain to my lower left of my abs. And for some reason my left testicle hurts?
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I'm down 10 pounds from 230. Hopefully by the end of may I'll be back at my ideal weight.
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I just found out how to make any raw meal delicious. I love lime, and I really love shrimp. So I added half a lime right before eating half a pound of shrimp and it was so good.
I'll probably do this for the organs I don't really like.
Also I'm actually down 15 pounds.
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Great progress boss man! Thanks for continually updating your journal, I know it isn't for the forums sake but its interesting and encouraging to read. Congrats on the weight loss! Have you been having more energy as well? How have your moods been lately? Have you noticed in the past that the seasons effect your moods at all? I always used to get really anxious spring and fall, like the changing of the seasons would rattle my mind and body! Now its just winter that gets me glum, but not so much as in the past.
Also YUM, raw shrimp! So sweet and tender and amazing!
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My energy is way up. I've been needing less sleep. During the day I'm more energetic. In school I retain info very well and I'm excelling academically.
My mood is good too. Over all positive, happy, and I have a good, positive out look. I haven't noticed anything with the seasons.
And the shrimp was awesome. I think I'll try the same preparation with some beef heart and kidney.
I'm waiting for millers to get out of winter season so they can start grass feeding their cows again, and pasturing the chickens. Then I'll probably add back their eggs and beef brain.
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My latest dietary endeavor is getting enough iodine. I realized my diet is very deficient in iodine. I checked how much is in cod, haddock, shrimp, salmon, eggs and my multivitamin.
By eating 8 oz of each a week, egg a day and 1/6 the multivitamin dose I I can get enough
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My latest dietary endeavor is getting enough iodine.
Enough for what? Experience shows that to enable the immune system needs at least 100 mg/day; they all use Lugol's for that.
A maintenance level needs much less, but would depend on the level of air/water/food pollution in your environment.
I realized my diet is very deficient in iodine. I checked how much is in cod, haddock, shrimp, salmon, eggs and my multivitamin.
By eating 8 oz of each a week, egg a day and 1/6 the multivitamin dose I I can get enough
Enough for life in the paleolithic age, but in our time we have to cope with pollution such as bromine, fluorine, mercury, aluminum etc.
Lugol's as part of the iodine protocol works.
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I'll pass on mega dosing iodine. I just want the needed 150 mcg per day
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I just want the needed 150 mcg per day
Needed to prevent goiter in the thyroid gland, while you ignore the needs of all the other cells and every organ in your body.
All of them have iodine receptors; all of those are plugged with bromine/fluorine.
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What exactly is bromine and fluorine
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/139Xa8u8kgNVT-K17TxYvsM7qsSfusxyvloIXWbU92rg/edit?pli=1 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/139Xa8u8kgNVT-K17TxYvsM7qsSfusxyvloIXWbU92rg/edit?pli=1)
I hope this link works., independent of raw paleo forum I started on the iodine protocol, maybe two weeks ago, because I noticed cherry anginomas which are signs of the body trying to detox bromide and fluoride, so I thought I would give it a boost, plus I have had a lump on the side of my throat for a few years and stopped drinking mate a year ago because it was hurting in that area.
fluoride is often added to tap water, and is in the same class of elements as chlorines. its disrupted to the endocrine system, displaces iodine, tends to make people hold on to aluminum and disrupt the brain, water often has fluoride in it. bromide was added to flours instead of iodine(bromated flour, bromated this and that, its in all kinds of SAD foods) and displaces iodine and has the same endocrine interrupting properties
http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/IODINE.htm (http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/IODINE.htm)
instead of lugols there are some more natural sources of iodine and iodide, like concentrated kelp tinctures. I go for lugols just because I am not sure that the kelp supplements don't contain more then just iodine and iodide, but I also eat a shit ton of kelp and dulse, lol, but I can say I feel like my energy is improving, I am also taking the complementary B's, selenium, vitamin C and mag, which are helpful to me anyway.
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What exactly is bromine and fluorine
They are poisonous halogens, along with chlorine.
A few of the symptoms of bromine poisoning are here:
http://www.nutrition411.com/component/k2/item/download/1239 (http://www.nutrition411.com/component/k2/item/download/1239)
"Bromine is a central nervous system depressant and can lead to psychological symptoms, such as acute paranoia. It is estimated that no less than 20% of all hospital admissions for acute paranoid schizophrenia between 1920 and 1960 actually were misdiagnosed brominism."
The only way of removing bromine from our bodies is the iodine protocol. AFAIK
Fluorine in drinking water, toothpaste etc. makes people calm and stupid. The iodine protocol also flushes that out.
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Well I drink home made distilled water (free of chlorine, fluoride, and all other chemicals). Fluoride free tooth paste (also gluten free). And I have a shower head water purifier which removes 95% of chlorine and all other chemicals, metals etc.
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Well I drink home made distilled water (free of chlorine, fluoride, and all other chemicals). Fluoride free tooth paste (also gluten free). And I have a shower head water purifier which removes 95% of chlorine and all other chemicals, metals etc.
Me too, but this crap is in the dust in the air we breathe, and other sources -- just came across this article:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aa102603a.htm (http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aa102603a.htm)
and this stunner:
"It's a lot harder to dodge the PBDE flame retardants responsible for the most worrisome of my test results. My world—and yours—has become saturated with them since they were introduced about 30 years ago.
Scientists have found the compounds planetwide, in polar bears in the Arctic, cormorants in England, and killer whales in the Pacific. Bergman, the Swedish chemist, and his colleagues first called attention to potential health risks in 1998 when they reported an alarming increase in PBDEs in human breast milk, from none in milk preserved in 1972 to an average of four ppb in 1997.
The compounds escape from treated plastic and fabrics in dust particles or as gases that cling to dust. People inhale the dust; infants crawling on the floor get an especially high dose. Bergman describes a family, tested in Oakland, California, by the Oakland Tribune, whose two small children had blood levels even higher than mine. When he and his colleagues summed up the test results for six different PBDEs, they found total levels of 390 ppb in the five-year-old girl and 650 ppb—twice my total—in the 18-month-old boy.
In 2001, researchers in Sweden fed young mice a PBDE mixture similar to one used in furniture and found that they did poorly on tests of learning, memory, and behavior. Last year, scientists at Berlin's Charité University Medical School reported that pregnant female rats with PBDE levels no higher than mine gave birth to male pups with impaired reproductive health.
Linda Birnbaum, an EPA expert on these flame retardants, says that researchers will have to identify many more people with high PBDE exposures, like the Oakland family and me, before they will be able to detect any human effects. Bergman says that in a pregnant woman my levels would be of concern. "Any level above a hundred parts per billion is a risk to newborns," he guesses. No one knows for sure.
Any margin of safety may be narrowing. In a review of several studies, Ronald Hites of Indiana University found an exponential rise in people and animals, with the levels doubling every three to five years. Now the CDC is putting a comprehensive study of PBDE levels in the U.S. on a fast track, with results due out late this year. Pirkle, who is running the study, says my seemingly extreme levels may no longer be out of the ordinary. "We'll let you know," he says.
Given the stakes, why take a chance on these chemicals? Why not immediately ban them? In 2004, Europe did just that for the penta- and octa-BDEs, which animal tests suggest are the most toxic of the compounds. California will also ban these forms by 2008, and in 2004 Chemtura, an Indiana company that is the only U.S. maker of pentas and octas, agreed to phase them out. Currently, there are no plans to ban the much more prevalent deca-BDEs. They reportedly break down more quickly in the environment and in people, although their breakdown products may include the same old pentas and octas."
From:http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2049984#i
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Well it seems these toxins are unavoidable. If you'll provide me with links as to why mega dosing iodine is beneficial I'll look into it. but I think my raw version of scd enhances my bodies detoxification capabilities - http://www.microbialinfluence.com/det.html (http://www.microbialinfluence.com/det.html)
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Well it seems these toxins are unavoidable.
Yes, they are.
I think my raw version of scd enhances my bodies detoxification capabilities - http://www.microbialinfluence.com/det.html (http://www.microbialinfluence.com/det.html)
Dream on. Only the iodine protocol has been shown to reliably remove bromine and fluorine from the brain and body. Otherwise it is SNAFU for life. Your choice.
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Where had any human been on a raw specific carbohydrate diet? Even on this forum where everyone eats raw, most people eat at least one illegal regularly. So there's no proof my diet does or doesn't work better than the iodine.
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Die off/detox seems to be coming to an end. About a week into the diet my middle and ring finger on my right hand got extremely dry and really messed up looking. It looks much better today. Also I don't feel like I'm detoxing massive amounts if toxins.
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Best reading I've ever gotten, except for my pulse which was a little high. I was using deep breaths as I took it, and I'm a little over 3 weeks into raw-scd with lots of animal fats.
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Even meter after sitting down for a few minutes to rest from walking.
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The pharmacist actually said the second reading wasn't accurate since I did then so close together.
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lol were you at the grocery store? I am always excited when I find those things, they are pretty rare these days
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Lol a little walgreens.
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I start 20 mg of geodon tonight.
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I'll be honest, I'm a little nervous. My sleep schedule is pretty sporadic. But I'm confident I'll be fine. And at the first sign of trouble I'll double the dose.
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Stepped on the scale today, and I'm down to 212 lbs from 230. Not bad considering I started 3/13
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I started working out (resistance training) Wednesday, and boy is my back and biceps sore! And I started so small too. I did 3 different work outs for back, 2 sets each, 10 reps. And one work out for biceps, 2 sets, 10 reps.
Then friday I did shoulders and traps. 2 workouts per muscle group, 2 sets.
I'm still at 210 (from 230). Hoping I'll drop more, even though I've increased my carb consumption some what.
20 mg of geodon is working. No problem. I noticed my sex drive is revved up. I'm trying to find some ladies to macc it lol.
My diet is still raw- SCD. I've been eating 1.5 oz beef fat with every meal. 2 servings of haddock, 1 of shrimp, 1 of salmon each week, 8 oz each meal. Beef chuck roast for the rest of the meals. Some times some liver.
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I'm finding I have a strong preference for land animals over seas food.
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Started "raw-scd" 3/13. About a month into it I ate some medjool dates that I thought were raw without additives. Turns out they were steamed and sugar added. A rash on my middle and ring finger that went away after die off came back /:
I'm still waiting for it to go away.
Gym is good. Not much results yet, but it's nice to be exercising.
Todays meal is going to be 1.5 oz beef fat, 8 oz salmon, and the ketchup I made today for dipping.
I've been eating mainly beef. Literally. Beef 3 meals a day most days. Eggs through out the day. A marrow bone every day. Salmon once a week, shrimp once a week. I was eating haddock twice a week for the iodine, but I hate the taste. So I've opted to buy iodine pills instead. However I would be willing to try out ?adrenals?
Isn't there some organ from beef that's loaded with iodine, that's usually dried and capsuled?
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I just added "Real Salt" to my diet. I think I was lacking in sodium, or something in the salt.
My weight has been stuck at 210. I'm not sure if I'm losing fat any more. Next time I go to the gym I'm going to see if they have a body fat percentage calculator.
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Just tweaked my diet.
5 oz chuck roast + 2.6 oz beef fat per meal. I figure 110 grams of protein is all I really need daily. I also added raw honey and "Real Salt."
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More white spots are popping up on my teeth
I have a dark root in 2 of my teeth. When i began some sort of VLC a white spot/pimple appeared on the gum, just above the dark root....seems like a VLC/ketogenic diet try to eliminate the hidden infections that you have.
Also, when i did a ten day water fast....my gums swelled...when you pressed the swellen things....and smelled then your finger.... it smelled was like rotten eggs...
A fast is something ketogenic too
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iodine has been going well. I haven't increased from one drop. My eyes seem brighter, which I think might be the detox. Still taking all the same supplements. Diet is still basically the same. Good results so far.
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I'm making some fermented dill pickles and sauerkraut. I did 1/4 teaspoon of the pickle juice this morning. 3 hours later I had stomach pain, every 5 minutes passed a small, but solid stool. Then my last stool was loose. No problems since.
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I had to ditch my ferments, bugs got into them. I'll be making a new batch today.
The Lugol's iodine 2% was going good, but I started taking much larger than normal doses. Yesterday I took like 6 drops, and the day before that like 8. i definitely felt weird, and am going back to just one drop a day.
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I made another batch of ferments. So far I've gone from 1/8 tsp, to 1 tbls of the juice. Since getting to this high a dose of ferment I've been much more regular in the bathroom.
Since I've been taking the iodine, I decided to add the sea salt in large doses. I've been taking 1/2 tsp a few times a day (each half tsp is 1.4 g salt). I'm using Real Salt, which I love. Some days I use as much as 4-5 1/2 tsp. The detox is kind of harsh. I definitely don't like how I feel, and I'm only taking 2 drops of the 2%! I think I'll cut back to 1 drop soon.
I also just joined the Iodine yahoo group to hopefully gain more knowledge on how to do it right. Just in their yahoo page with articles, links, etc I've learned a lot. I definitely recommend their site for anyone trying to learn more.
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My home made pickles are coming out great. I ate an actual piece of cucumber/pickle. I'm not really a pickle guy, but these were delicious!
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I just made the biggest order I've ever made from White Oak Pastures. $630. 27 packages of chuck roast (3 lbs each), 21 packages of beef fat (2.5 lbs each), and 2 packages of marrow bones (2.5 lbs each). It should last me a little over 3 months. Making my cost of food (not including fruits and veggies) about $53 a week.
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Since adding the iodine I've changed my supplements and salt consumption somewhat. I'm doing a 1/2 tsp (3 g each) 3-5 times a day. I've increased my calcium and magnesium intake as I've read that the iodine will help you detox fluoride and it comes out as calcium fluoride. I noticed if I take the fluoride drops all at once I get horrible detox symptoms. Even 2 drops at a time can do that. But if I do 1 drop every 2-3 hours I'm fine. I've also increased my vitamin d3 consumption per the recommendations of some iodine web sites. I already take the b complex, niacin, etc.
The fermented foods have been making me want more carbs. Without the fermented food I was eating maybe 3 pieces of fruit a day (average 25 grams carbs each fruit). Now I'm noticing I feel groggy without the carbs. I've been eating almost double the amount of carbs. I think the probiotic action of the fermented foods is increasing the digestibility of the plant foods. Which is why my body is saying more carbs.
My diet is still the same. 2.5 oz beef fat per meal x3 for 1,500 calories from just the fat. Then 5 oz meat per meal (varies between shrimp, beef, and rarely salmon). I'm noticing my body just doesn't want the salmon. I think it's cause of all the mercury. I also read that the iodine helps detox mercury.
These days I'm feeling pretty awesome. Incredible energy, mental clarity, positive outlook. I'm still taking 20 mg of geodon, which is the lowest dose they sell. Next time I see my doctor I'll request another set of refills, I'll open the pill and take half. Then the next time I see the doc I'll try no meds. So happy to be so close to being med free.
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I just got off the phone with a very nice woman at the company "Redmond." They make the salt brand "Real Salt." She told me there is no heat processing whatsoever, so it's technically raw. And it's not stripped of any of its minerals. I definitely love this stuff.
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I started making a new batch of pickles. I even decided to make some high meat.
The old thing of pickles has been fermenting so long that it stopped making bubbles. They're incredible.
I've been eating a couple pickles with my plant foods an hour before my animal foods. I'll start eating a little bit of high meat with my animal foods.
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I just got my gigantic order from White Oak Pastures. My 7 cu ft cooler is filled to the brim. And I don't need to worry about buying animal foods for the next 3+ months. Plenty of beef fat, chuck roast, liver, heart, and marrow bones. ;D
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Interesting info I just found.
http://lugolsiodine.us/iodine-its-role-in-health.html (http://lugolsiodine.us/iodine-its-role-in-health.html)
"Fact: It is true that iodine deficiency does effect mental health. In Japan the average person consumes 10mg-14mg per day and they have the lowest mental health cases than any other country."
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"So happy to be so close to being med free."
you're making the transition to taking mother nature's meds... phooey on the scripts! keep it up! salmon can be weird for me sometimes, too. the frozen stuff tends to be more palatable when eaten alone, i like the fresh stuff when making the sushi rolls.
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"So happy to be so close to being med free."
you're making the transition to taking mother nature's meds... phooey on the scripts! keep it up! salmon can be weird for me sometimes, too. the frozen stuff tends to be more palatable when eaten alone, i like the fresh stuff when making the sushi rolls.
Lol it's quite awesome to be so close. Thanks for the encouragement (:
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I've been increasing my high meat consumption. Today I ate like 5-6 pieces of high meat before eating my animal food meal.
I'm using a leaner cut of beef from White Oak Pastures that I picked up fresh at WF. I have it outside in a mason jar without the lid, within a larger air tight container. Every day I open the container it's in, take out the jar, stir it up with a fork and wave it around to get new air in it.
I'm having some dental problems and I think it might have something to do with the constant cleaning I'm doing through brushing. I have what appears to be cavities, and my gums seem to be receding. Though since starting a fully raw diet and cleaning up my lifestyle there hasn't been any pain from the cavities. For some reason I decided to put a piece of high meat in my mouth and just leave it there for a little bit, then swallow. I think my body wants some bacteria in my mouth.
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Have you investigated vitamin k2?
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Have you investigated vitamin k2?
Not really. Do you have any helpful places to start looking?
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http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2 (http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2)
After reading through this link, I assume I get a good amount of K2. I eat tons of beef fat and organs weekly. I also eat fermented food all the time.
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I had some salmon today. It's been a while since I have anything besides beef. I had some liver the other day and have some heart defrosting. I think I need to make the salmon and liver a regular thing.
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I decided to start using Epsom Salt Baths. After reading up on it I saw that magnesium is poorly absorbed through the digestive tract, so decided to try soaking in a salt bath. I'll keep posting on my results.
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After talking with Eveheart about some testing she got done I decided to get some testing myself. I went to my doctor the other day and told him all about my raw diet, lots of iodine, etc. etc. lol. He ordered A LOT of tests. What really surprised me is it seems he actually ordered the appropriate things for what I was telling him. I get the results in 2 weeks so I'll let you guys know how everything checks out. He ordered..
CBC
Come metabolic panel
lipid panel
UA TSH
HgbA1c
B12, b3, b6
Vitamin D
Vitamin D serum
TSH
Free t3
Free t4
TPO ab
Homocystine, MMA
Mercury
PSA
Vitamin A, K, E, iodine
and per my request a full std panel. I don't experience any symptoms, but I've read about cases where people don't get symptoms but it silently destroys their health.
I've increased my ferments. I'm fermenting honey currently, making some sauerkraut. Still have the high meat going from a while ago. I'm always making pickles, they're so good.
Still taking epsom salt baths 2-3 times a week. I definitely notice I'm much calmer and my mind is clearer. I think magnesium may be something my diet was lacking.
I've also decided to order a potassium supplement. I can't stand to force myself to eat tons of bananas or avocados every day.
Things are going really well, it seems to just be up hill from here. I can't wait to see what my results are. Especially considering all the raw animal foods I'm eat. My vitamin A, K, B vitamins, etc. should all be really high.
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it's always refreshing to know, the guy you're paying too much money to see, is actually listening, and interested in doing their job! it doesn't sound like they dismissed your intentions as being "extreme, unhealthy, and ridiculous" in comparison to mainstream diet conceptions... i'm interested in reading some of the results, too... please do keep us posted.
and good for you with the pickles! i've been missing the store bought pickles for a long time now, and i am anxious to try the fermented type you've been enjoying!
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After talking with Eveheart about some testing she got done I decided to get some testing myself. I went to my doctor the other day and told him all about my raw diet, lots of iodine, etc. etc. lol. He ordered A LOT of tests. What really surprised me is it seems he actually ordered the appropriate things for what I was telling him. I get the results in 2 weeks so I'll let you guys know how everything checks out. He ordered..
Tell him you know of an entire forum where people have healed themselves in near-miraculous ways with this diet. Who knows? Maybe he'll do something good.
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Tell him you know of an entire forum where people have healed themselves in near-miraculous ways with this diet. Who knows? Maybe he'll do something good.
When I tell my doctors what I eat and why I eat that way, they are very approving. I don't think they are moved to jump on the bandwagon because their corporate protocols forbid it, but they know that wrong-food-in is the largest single cause of disease, and removing the cause alone brings patients two-thirds or more of the way to healing.
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Interesting info I just found.
http://lugolsiodine.us/iodine-its-role-in-health.html (http://lugolsiodine.us/iodine-its-role-in-health.html)
"Fact: It is true that iodine deficiency does effect mental health. In Japan the average person consumes 10mg-14mg per day and they have the lowest mental health cases than any other country.""""""""""""""""
I just read this an think kinda funny, I doubt that people in japan actually seek help for their mental health issues, I am pretty sure they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. but there are so many factors to mental health, I am not denying iodine is one of them, just sayin the facts are super malleable.
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I had 4 oz of brain last night with half a lime squeezed into it. I've never torn up brain like that before. It was like when I eat shrimp with lime. I think I just really like lime lol.
The potassium supplement is going well. I'm noticing I want less and less carbs, even after exercising strenuously. Although I still eat carbs because I'm sure my body prefers consuming the carb itself than converting the protein into carbs. I think it's because before my body wanted the nutrients in the carbs, potassium, etc. But not I'm covering that with the supplement so my body doesn't seem interested in much plant foods. I still love pickles though.
The iodine supplementation is going well. Although I noticed that I was getting a rash on certain fingers just like when I first went fully raw which I attributed to detox. So I've cut back from taking 2 drops of Lugol's 2% (5 mg each) 6 or more times daily, to maybe 4 times daily. I'm also noticing I need less salt. When I first started I used like, 3-5 tsp a day. Now I'm using much less.
I'm still doing fermented foods. Pickles mainly, although I made some sauerkraut and I've just started eating it. I'm doing much less high meat, though I'm dry aging all my meat. I've even bought a rack with a drip pan for aging my meat. It works well.
I decided to try a new honey since my last honey seemed to be giving me problems. I was using a raw honey from WF. I tried to contact the seller but their website didn't have contact info, neither did the bottle. So I bought raw honey from Miller's Organic Farm. One word: wow! Absolutely the best honey I have every had. The old honey made me teeth hurt. But this new honey doesn't at all. It also tastes incredible, and my taste buds tell me it's a very nourishing food. I ate a full tbls with dinner today (maybe a little more) and not only did it not hurt my teeth, but I feel great after eating it. I decided to take some and ferment it. I put 1.5 cups honey to .5 cups distilled water, and put it outside to ferment. It's definitely bubbling.
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did the brain come with your large order of animal products? or did you source it elsewhere? frozen at any point?
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did the brain come with your large order of animal products? or did you source it elsewhere? frozen at any point?
Unfortunately White Oak Pastures doesn't sell brains since federal law prohibits the sale of brains if they're slaughtered by a head shot. I got it from Miller's Organic Farm, unfrozen. Good stuff too.
I've been experimenting with epsom salt baths to increase my mag levels. I feel the baths help more with pulling out toxins/detox than increasing magnesium levels. So I decided to experiment with a mag supplement. I've been using powdered mag. I'm hoping it will be the solution to my dental problems. I've read online magnesium is incredibly important for dental and bone health.
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The best way to take magnesium by bath than mouth. But if we have lots of calcium in our bodies, than we can take magnesium 2/3 hrs later.
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Daboss, your journal is pretty awesome! My friend David Grithnir (former member), done some progression on 50% Raw primal diet. He discover that one raw and one cooked meal a day could fix his constipation. He discovers 100% raw diet is not good for him. Moreover, he did reduced some meds after this diet and lost almost 100lbs within 2 months (which was good). But now he is looking for more better and quick relief of his symptoms and started to take high doses of Zyprexa and other things and telling every one that with this diet and high doses of psych drugs , he feels most normal. I copied some of your journal for him and send him message to reduce his psych drugs and highly follow RPD for his own good.
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Daboss, your journal is pretty awesome! My friend David Grithnir (former member), done some progression on 50% Raw primal diet. He discover that one raw and one cooked meal a day could fix his constipation. He discovers 100% raw diet is not good for him. Moreover, he did reduced some meds after this diet and lost almost 100lbs within 2 months (which was good). But now he is looking for more better and quick relief of his symptoms and started to take high doses of Zyprexa and other things and telling every one that with this diet and high doses of psych drugs , he feels most normal. I copied some of your journal for him and send him message to reduce his psych drugs and highly follow RPD for his own good.
What about niacin? Most people using niacin properly only need small amounts of medicine, and some times don't need any at all. For example I was on 1500 mg depakote and 120 mg geodon before starting the supplements. After starting the supplements I reduced it to 500 mg and 40 mg with the doctor's approval. Now that I'm strict raw paleo with supplements, I'm on just 20 mg of geodon and no depakote. I also use a shower head filter, drink distilled water, use fluoride toothpaste, use iodine for detox, etc.. It's all in my journal. If you like I could make a detailed post on what I'm doing right now and how it's working.
And thanks for the compliment on the journal. What makes you feel it's "awesome?" lol
The best way to take magnesium by bath than mouth. But if we have lots of calcium in our bodies, than we can take magnesium 2/3 hrs later.
I actually notice more benefits taking it orally. When I used it in baths I noticed it was helping with detox more. But orally I'm calmer. I expect great things as far as dental health goes with the magnesium.
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It's been a while since I make a post on exactly what I'm doing and how it's working for me. So here's a post on how my diet is, my supplement regiment, etc.
Supplements
I've been following Dr. Abram Hoffer's orthomolecular treatment for schizophrenia per his book "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments." I highly recommend this book for anyone looking for an effective way to treat schizophrenia.
I take 1,000 mg niacin 3x daily (each meal). Dr. Hoffer wrote if it's needed you can go much higher. I use this brand - http://www.solgar.com/SolgarProducts/Niacin-Vitamin-B3-500-mg-Vegetable-Capsules.htm (http://www.solgar.com/SolgarProducts/Niacin-Vitamin-B3-500-mg-Vegetable-Capsules.htm) - It's one of the cleaner formulas on the market and it's SCD legal.
I also take 50 mg b complex 2x daily (breakfast and lunch). The B Complex helps the niacin function properly since all the b vitamins work synergisticly. I use - http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx) - since 1) it's SCD legal so it's a clean formula, and 2) it has the active forms of B12 and Folic Acid
1,000 mg Vitamin C 3x daily (each meal). I use the GI Pro Health brand since it's SCD legal. But for Vitamin C there are many clean formulas. (By making sure they're SCD legal they avoid additives like lactose, dextrose, grains, etc.)
I also use a multivitamin but in very low doses. They recommend 6 pills and I take 1 a day, mainly for my dinner meal so I can take a smaller dose of b complex. - http://www.giprohealth.com/scdcomplete.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/scdcomplete.aspx) - I prefer this one since it's a lot of pills and since it has the active forms of B12 and folic acid.
These are the main supplements I use for schizophrenia. I've use them for a while and they work well for me.
Vitamin D3 5,000 IU daily. http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=107&parent=4 (http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=107&parent=4)
Calcium & Magnesium supplement. http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=395&parent=18 (http://www.freedavitamins.com/index.php?p=product&id=395&parent=18)
I use these since I can't always get lots of sun and because I want to get calcium and magnesium for dental/bone health. Also I'm experimenting with iodine for detoxification and calcium is one of the recommended nutrients (which I'll get into later).
Potassium. I noticed I wasn't getting to much potassium, or most electrolytes either so I added in a Potassium powder from NOW brand.
I also added in magnesium powder orally after trying epsom salt baths.
Iodine
I've been experimenting with iodine, specifically Lugol's. I started with 1 drop daily and have since increased to around 10-20 drops daily. It's supposed to help detox halides (fluoride, bromide, and chloride). It's also been said by many doctors that it's needed for much more than just thyroid health. In addition to that I've read that schizophrenia and other mental health issues can be influenced by those halides. I take the calcium since fluoride is excreted as calcium fluoride. The fluoride apparently integrates with the calcium and builds bone structures. So to remove the fluoride it also displaces some calcium. I also take the magnesium for bone health.
In addition the supplements mentioned earlier (most of which are recommended as companion nutrients for the iodine protocol) I've been consuming lots of salt. I use Real Salt which is technically raw since there's no heating process in the manufacturing. I take about 3 teaspoons daily. Without the salt the detox effects of the iodine are harsh.
Diet
My diet has been 100% raw since March. I've been eating pretty consistently 3 meals a day. An hour before I have a piece of fruit averaging 25-30 grams of carbs. Then an hour later I eat 2.5 oz of beef fat with 5 oz shrimp, beef, salmon, or various organs. I typically eat liver, heart, and some times brain. I have kidney in the fridge but haven't been eating it. Some days I eat more carbs and protein depending on how much I've been exercising.
I've also been doing a lot of fermented foods. I make pickles regularly, did high meat for a while, and just started experimenting with fermented honey. I also eat a little bit of raw honey on occasion.
I dry age my meat in the fridge on a metal rack, the flavor is incredible.
All my foods are unprocessed raw foods. So no oils, etc. I also stick to the specific carbohydrate diet but raw.
Toxin avoidance
I drink distilled water and use BPA free water bottles. I use a shower head that removes 95+% of the chlorine and other impurities. I use fluoride free tooth paste. Again, all my supplements are SCD legal and as additive free as possible.
Exercise
I exercise regularly, preferably in the sun. Typically some kind of cardio exercise, and weight training.
Medication
Before starting the supplements, diet, etc. I was on 1,500 mg of depakote, and 120 mg of geodon. After starting the supplements (Dr. Hoffer's recommendations) I tapered down to 500 mg, and 40 mg with a doctor's supervision. Now with all the things I'm doing I take 20 mg of geodon. The doctor has agreed after 2 more months of 20 mg we can try opening the pills and only taking 10 mg and going from there.
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this is why your journal is awesome. consistent and specific updates. its interesting to see your progression.
I am taking just about the same vitamins and minerals as you are, no extra niacin but I do take a 1 of the 3 daily multis which has extra b's, no need for d as i get TONS of sun, and no calcium as i drink about a 1/4 cup of raw milk per day.
I take 2 drops of the 5% lugols daily, i am going to increase to 4 and see if that is beneficial. my mental health and attitude have never been more even or resilient. I feel like my body is in a major cycle of healing and rebuilding.
i eat pretty low carb, mod protein, mod fat. three meals a day. great and regular digestion, no gas or bloating. my teeth are not as sensitive as they were when i was having insulin issues and seem to be remineralizing. my amenorrhea has been reversed for 6 months after a 5 year absence. although i weigh a lot more then i ever have, i feel like there is much less inflammation in my body. my skin is the best condition it has been...ever? lots of hair on my head growing back. many many other improvements, its just interesting that we are taking pretty similar supplements in addition to simple diet.
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Good stuff Jessica. In addition to the Lugol's are you taking any salt? I personally couldn't even do 3 drops of the 2% without horrible symptoms before adding in Real Salt. I'd get cloudy headed and overall feel horrible. After loading up on salt I was quickly able to increase to the dose I'm at now. I experience minor detox symptoms, small rash/dry skin on one of my fingers. They're clearing up though.
I know I've suggested the niacin on multiple occasions, so rather than ask if you'd be willing to try it. What are your reasons for avoiding it?
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niacin is the most important and usually major supplement for people who are suffering from schizophrenia. Jessica has same mental illness as you? regular depression or bipolar ... anything is treating very well without niacin.
DaBoss, u are truly an inspiration for million of others who are thinking about there are no cure of schizophrenia and drugs are the only way to go. I am publishing some of your journal on Facebook psychiatric revolution group to influence others and hope you don't mind
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I definitely salt my food pretty well. I prefer Eden brand sea salts over Redmond. I think they taste less harsh? They are sun dried from salt marsh's in France and come in a nice sized glass jar that is great to re-use. They are also relatively inexpensive. I eat a lot of seaweed in addition.
I am not taking extra niacin as I have read it can be harsh on the liver, and I don't really want to exacerbate my liver as I have had a ton of liver problems in the past.
I have, however, learned a lot from your and PaleoPhils journal and know that my next round of supplement purchases will be a bit different, different b vitamin's so I get the proper form and perhaps at different amounts.
I noticed you aren't taking selenium. I am pretty sure that was one of the more important "co-factors" to the Lugol's protocol.
I guess that is something I am taking as well, along with zinc and chromium, which I feel are really helping to ease inflammation.
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I noticed you aren't taking selenium. I am pretty sure that was one of the more important "co-factors" to the Lugol's protocol.
I didn't get the selenium because I saw that beef in the amounts I'm consuming has about the same amount they recommend getting from supplements (and the nutrition analysis was done on grain fed meat). I'm looking into buying brazil nuts though to increase my selenium intake.
I definitely salt my food pretty well. I prefer Eden brand sea salts over Redmond. I think they taste less harsh?
I haven't really experimented with different salts. When I first started fully raw again in March I noticed I was craving salt. While at Whole Foods the Real Salt caught my eye since it's pink, but something about it also made me want to try it. It's working for me but eventually who knows maybe I'll experiment with a different brand. However I talked with the company and it meets my requirements for being a good salt - raw, unprocessed, etc.
Also you mention you salt your food well. The amounts they recommend are a lot, like teaspoons per day. Just something to keep in mind in case you notice negative detox effects.
I am not taking extra niacin as I have read it can be harsh on the liver, and I don't really want to exacerbate my liver as I have had a ton of liver problems in the past.
Sucks about your liver. FYI Dr. Hoffer has seen that most people do well on niacin, ie. no liver problems. He discusses it thoroughly in his book, and I think a google search would yield more info. However it's your body, and you know best how to take care of it.
niacin is the most important and usually major supplement for people who are suffering from schizophrenia.
Absolutely. The most important thing for me was and is sticking to the niacin.
DaBoss, u are truly an inspiration for million of others who are thinking about there are no cure of schizophrenia and drugs are the only way to go. I am publishing some of your journal on Facebook psychiatric revolution group to influence others and hope you don't mind
It's fine. Hopefully it helps others. What I'm doing really works wonders for me. I think it's important because I don't just focus on one aspect. For example I've seen that some of the people using niacin only take the supplements, which helps tremendously but adding other things helps too. I think it's important to also make sure your thyroid is healthy (iodine supplementation, eliminating the toxic halides). Toxin elimination, exercise, etc. Raw paleo of course too eliminates lots of cooked food toxins, lots of healthy fats, etc.
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I just ordered some brazil nuts (the ones linked on PaleoPhil's journal). I emailed the company to ask if they're truly raw. I haven't eaten nuts in months so we'll see how it goes.
The oral magnesium seems to be working well. I feel calmer and clear headed, it's nice. After starting the magnesium I realized I hadn't eaten magnesium rich foods for years. I started SCD in mid 2011 and I was barely getting any iodine or magnesium. Probably not much potassium and definitely very little sodium. I never put salt on anything, rarely ate sea food. This continued even after starting raw paleo.
I'm taking about 80% DV of magnesium from my calcium supplement, and another 85% from the magnesium powder. I do about 40% potassium from my potassium powder. And tons of salt as well as a lot of iodine. I don't keep track of iodine or salt consumption, I just take it as needed. But I average probably around 2-5 teaspoons of sea salt and 25-50 mg of iodine.
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have you heard anything back on the tests your doctor ordered?
anything amiss or lacking?
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have you heard anything back on the tests your doctor ordered?
anything amiss or lacking?
I'll be getting the results back in a couple weeks. I'll post here when I get them.
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I don't think I was getting the benefit I expected from the oral magnesium. I stopped the bath salts (over a week ago) and noticed I was getting kind of grouchy today even though I was using the oral mag. I decided to try magnesium oil, a magnesium that absorbs through the skin. I read on a few websites it can take months for oral magnesium to bring your levels back up and that the oil will work in a month or 2. After applying it a few times I'm feeling more relaxed, like I did when I did the epsom salt baths. I'm thinking I only absorbed a very small amount from the oral magnesium, while with the bath I absorbed a lot since it bypassed the digestive tract.
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Wow you get up to 25-50 mg of iodine?!? You must go through those bottles like crazy. How is that working for you? When I get up to 1 mg of iodine I seem to feel pretty well. Haven't gone much over that, I almost thought I started to get symptoms of too much iodine. But maybe I didn't consume enough water also. How much water do you consume a day, approx.?
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Wow you get up to 25-50 mg of iodine?!? You must go through those bottles like crazy.
Well I buy a 2 oz bottle of Lugol's 2% each time. I actually bought a bottle a while ago and haven't even gotten half way through it.
How is that working for you?
Pretty good. At first I was getting horrible detox symptoms. But then I learned about the companion nutrients you're supposed to take with it to help with detox. I added sea salt, lots of sea salt (2-5 teaspoons daily). After adding in the sea salt and using a lot daily I was able to get up to the amount I'm at now.
It's supposed to help detox bromides, fluoride, and chloride which are added to most municipal water supplies and most non organic pesticides contain them. It also helps detox mercury.
I have an interesting theory. In Japan they consume a lot of seafood and also lots of iodine. I think the iodine helps prevent mercury toxicity, although I'm not sure if they consume enough for it to be a problem (I assume they eat a lot of fish though).
When I get up to 1 mg of iodine I seem to feel pretty well. Haven't gone much over that, I almost thought I started to get symptoms of too much iodine. But maybe I didn't consume enough water also. How much water do you consume a day, approx.?
I consume like 1-2 gallons daily. Though I also take the companion nutrients. I was drinking the same amount of water when I was taking 1-3 drops of iodine daily (2.5 mg/drop) before adding in the sea salt and it was horrible.
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I agree with you about the Japanese. They eat plenty of iodine rich foods and probably consume salt water in decent amounts.
Something about when I started the iodine, it just felt right to add sea salt also, considering iodine is richest in the seafoods. I don't think I consume that much water though. Time to up it. The fewer carbs I take in I notice the thirstier I become. Thanks.
different topic question. Schizophrenia is a psychological disorder. It's my understanding that one must be diagnosed with a behavioral disorder (class I) first, then a personality disorder (class II) next, then the final diagnosis of a psychological disorder, class III. Does that mean you also have ADHD or another behavioral disorder and a personality disorder like NPD? This was info I learned while married to someone I was almost certain had Borderline Personality Disorder and seeking help, years ago. I hope that's not too personal, I figure schizophrenia is less obtrusive than a 'milder' disorder.
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I hope that's not too personal, I figure schizophrenia is less obtrusive than a 'milder' disorder.
It's fine.
different topic question. Schizophrenia is a psychological disorder. It's my understanding that one must be diagnosed with a behavioral disorder (class I) first, then a personality disorder (class II) next, then the final diagnosis of a psychological disorder, class III. Does that mean you also have ADHD or another behavioral disorder and a personality disorder like NPD?
I've never heard that before and I was never diagnosed ADHD or anything else before the diagnosis of schizophrenia.
I see from your info you're trying to treat ADHD. Would you be interested in my take on what would help?
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EXTREMELY interested. So far I've been doing .5-1 mg iodine with at least 1 teaspoon sea salt. Trying to cut carbs as minimal as possible, per advice in my welcome thread, I believe by either you or CK. I've been off coffee for 4 days now. I consume about the same amount looks wise of suet and meat. So if I have salmon that is 4"x 4" I'll grab a chunk of suet that size. I'm not in ketosis because our water supply is iffy right now and the times when we don't get water, I have fruit to hydrate. That should change very soon, our pump is getting replaced.
What shall I do, oh wise one? :D
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EXTREMELY interested.
What shall I do, oh wise one? :D
Lol
I see you're concerned with ADHD and dental issues. For both I recommend increasing your magnesium. Magnesium is really important for dental health. It's also necessary for proper digestive function.
Poor digestive function leads to microbial toxins and poor nutrient assimilation, both of which increase the likelihood of psychological disorders.
How long have you been on RPD?
(I made a really lengthy post originally but lost it when my internet cut out :/ )
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About 6 weeks. I've craved oysters like crazy and felt better the last two jars I've had. I've also noticed my joints feeling a bit sore, isn't that a sign of magnesium deficiency?
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About 6 weeks. I've craved oysters like crazy and felt better the last two jars I've had. I've also noticed my joints feeling a bit sore, isn't that a sign of magnesium deficiency?
Everything is a symptom of magnesium deficiency lol
My latest experiment is evening out my calcium magnesium ratio. I've been reading that our paleo ancestors had a 1:1 ratio of cal:mag. So I'm going to try to even out my calcium magnesium intake, while also getting more sun.
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My brazil nuts got here. I had two yesterday, and one today. I also had 4 oz of beef kidney for breakfast. I think my body's saying more selenium.
My magnesium oil has 560 mg mag per teaspoon, I've been putting 2 teaspoons daily since yesterday while maintaining the 800 mg of calcium I get from supplements. So far so good.
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DaBoss, are u on 20 mg Geodon now? what your doctor/ psychiatrist says about the lowest dose of Geodon? does ur doctor know about you special diet? Thanks
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DaBoss, are u on 20 mg Geodon now?
Yes, 20 mg for the last 2-3 months.
what your doctor/ psychiatrist says about the lowest dose of Geodon?
Not much really. He never saw me while having an episode so he doesn't even believe I'm schizophrenic (very common with psychiatrists I see).
does ur doctor know about you special diet? Thanks
Yes, my psychiatrist and primary care physician both know about my diet. They both can see it works for me. If I was paranoid and confused I'm sure they'd be against it.
Test Restults
Everything checked out pretty much. Cholesterol, thyroid, mercury, etc. was all fine.
My iodine, B12, B6, and B3 (niacin) levels were VERY high. I wasn't fasting so that's part of why. It was expected considering all the iodine and b vitamins I take.
My K levels were a bit low (but they tested K1), so was my calcium. I'm thinking there's a connection between me getting so little magnesium and my calcium levels being slightly low. I've read you need magnesium for calcium to be used properly. I'm also thinking I need to fix the cal:mag, and also the K2 to improve my dental health.
I've started experimenting with magnesium rich foods since I wasn't feeling any more relaxed from the magnesium supplements. In fact I was only getting loose stools. After researching more I saw most magnesium supplements are poorly absorbed and that chelated magnesium is much more absorbable, so I ordered magnesium glycinate from GI Pro Health.
I've been eating spinach and pumpkin seeds. After starting the pumpkin seeds I noticed me reaching my "instinctive stop" much sooner in the meal. I'm thinking this might have something to do with pumpkin seeds' effects removing parasites.
I also stopped my calcium supplement in an attempt to bring up my magnesium levels since the two compete for absorption. I've also ordered the book "The Magnesium Miracle" in hopes of learning more about magnesium.
I've read online magnesium is needed for 300+ enzymatic processes, from digestion to ATP (energy) so I'm expecting good things.
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Thank you DaBoss. we are also giving my brother 400mg magnesium daily at night and calcium in the morning. This is the 1st time for the past 8 months , he is out of hospitals. I will write down details on his present situation.
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Thank you DaBoss. we are also giving my brother 400mg magnesium daily at night and calcium in the morning. This is the 1st time for the past 8 months , he is out of hospitals. I will write down details on his present situation.
What kind of magnesium are you using? I've read that regular magnesium gives poor results and the chelated (bound to an amino acid) is optimal.
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After reviewing my test results again, I saw that under "Ketones" it says Abnormal, and trace amounts.
I'm wondering if this means I'm in slight ketosis?
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I do well with mag glycinate, I can take 400 mg with no issues, that is just at %100 rda.
mag citrate is basically a laxative, it helps to improve the amount of water in poo, so its good if you have super hard turds and need to use it temporarily (in addition to tons of water and other electrolytes to hydrate the system). but can have a depleting effect if taken long term.
If you are in slight ketosis I am sure that is why adding in extra salt has really improved your condition. Not having a lot of glycogen will really hinder your ability to hold on to much water and electrolytes.
Really sounds like you are doing well DaBoss, always glad to see your progress.
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as always, an interesting read...
thanks for posting some of your test results.
keep it up, it sounds like it's going well!
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So when I placed my big order from White Oak Pastures a few weeks/maybe a month or so ago, they accidentally sent me SUET instead of BEEF FAT. What a disaster! I've been eating suet - it's chalky, disgusting, and after eating it for such a long time I actually completely lost my appetite for raw animal foods. Monday I ate, and after that felt nauseous so didn't eat till Tuesday. Tuesday I was barely able to get any food in my system, I usually ate 2.5 oz beef fat and 5 oz beef. But Tuesday I could barely get down 2 oz of suet and maybe 4 oz of beef, all day I felt horrible.
Finally Wednesday came and the replacement fat arrived. That night I was able to get down a full 2.5 oz of beef fat and 5 oz beef, today same thing. I'm thinking suet is much higher in saturated fats, and much lower in unsaturated fats and that contributed to me feeling so horrible.
My magnesium glycinate should get here today. I'll do a few more days to a month without calcium, then I'll slowly increase my calcium to maybe 400-600 mg daily.
I also purchased a Vitamin K2 supplement from Carlson labs, the one recommended on the weston price article discussing Vitamin K2. It's pretty high potency.
Hopefully since I'm using all these different things my dental issues improve.
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I've been eating suet as my main source of fat. It can be more dry but only if i defrost a lot and let it sit in the fridge. If I just unfreeze some and cut it cold and then dip it in honey, no prob. I wonder however if the high sat fat content may affect me. not all pieces of suet are dry. But I really need to find regular back fat eh? It seems many do better on one or the other, worth a try.
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The Vitamin K2 has done some interesting stuff. Usually when I eat suet or beef fat my teeth are covered in fat. Since starting the K2 it literally completely stopped. Seeds, fruit bits, and other things would also get caught in my teeth. It stopped happening which is awesome.
The magnesium glycinate got here today, I already took 100 mg. I'll take another 100 mg with my next meal.
I recently bumped up my niacin dose to 2,000 mg, around the same time I started feeling weird from the suet. I'll keep eating the beef fat and see if I end up feeling I need less niacin. It could also be that I'm a few months in on the reduced dose of geodon.
Some interesting info from Weston Price on vitamin K2: http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2 (http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2)
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If you are in slight ketosis I am sure that is why adding in extra salt has really improved your condition. Not having a lot of glycogen will really hinder your ability to hold on to much water and electrolytes.
Interesting.
as always, an interesting read...
thanks for posting some of your test results.
keep it up, it sounds like it's going well!
Really sounds like you are doing well DaBoss, always glad to see your progress.
Thank you, thank you!
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Still tweaking and modifying my routine! It's incredible how my mind set was when I started - I just need to eat raw. To now - I need to research and modify!
I've been looking more and more into magnesium lately. I recently upped my magnesium intake to 600 mg, some times more, of the glycinate form with no loose stools. When I was taking the citrate I couldn't take even half that without a loose stool.
I also have been looking into Vitamin K2 more. I read on this article, and in others that a Japanese study used 45 mg/day! I've been taking 5 mg!
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm (http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm)
So I decided to up my dose for the time being, from one 5 mg pill daily, to 6 daily!
I cut out my calcium supplement, though I may add in 1-2 pills daily. But I get the feeling I need more magnesium than calcium (for now at least).
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It's been a while since I update this journal, or at least it feels like it. There's really not much to update on, my condition is stable and my health is improving daily. I've started exercising quite regularly, both weight training and doing cardio. I increased my carb consumption also. Before I was getting maybe 90-120 grams of carbs daily, I upped it to around 200 grams. I've also added in some vegetables, before I was doing mainly fruit.
All the exercise has led to some pain in my tendons, so I looked into nutrition and tendon health. I saw beef had almost no manganese, and I probably wasn't getting all the much from other foods, so I added in manganese chelated to an amino acid. I also added in zinc and selenium (also chelated). This was very recently so not much to report on yet.
I added in "Blue Ocean Minerals." It's basically ocean water from the great barrier reef that's concentrated and has the sodium removed. Each tsp has 459 mg of magnesium and they recommend 1-2 tsp daily. I'm also still taking the magnesium glycinate, 100 mg per meal. And I add 1 tsp of the blue ocean minerals to my water and drink it through out the day. I'm calmer through out the day, and I also sleep deeper and a few more hours each night. I've also stopped getting up to eat in the middle of the night, now I go 8+ hours sleeping without eating. And usually not even drinking water till I wake up.
I read that selenium levels can be low in people with bone problems, that's why I decided to add in the selenium. I expect some sort of dental improvement with the selenium and manganese. The zinc and manganese are recommended for tendon health. I saw grass fed beef has NO manganese, and thought that might explain why my tendons hurt being I've eating mainly beef the last few months.
I'm still doing the iodine protocol, I take about 20 drops of the 2% daily for a total of 50 mg iodine/iodide daily. The detox has gotten much better and it's not noticeable. I still use the Real Salt liberally, about 5 servings of 1/4 tsp through out the day. Being that selenium is recommended and so is magnesium for the iodine protocol, I imagine I'll be getting even better results reaching "whole body saturation."
The supplements I was taking for schizophrenia remain the same - large doses of niacin, b complex and vitamin c. I'm still on 20 mg of geodon, though when I go see my doctor I'll discuss trying 10 mg.
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yep dude I am glad you are taking those "co factors" to the iodine protocol. I have be really lazy in my iodine consumption, but eating plenty of dulse.
do you feel more grounded and able to handle daily life? I am feeling a huge shift in this, its amazing to be calm and also work through issues instead of going into a really weird place.....I hope you are feeling this way!
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yep dude I am glad you are taking those "co factors" to the iodine protocol.
Since adding in the selenium i started detoxing much more. A rash that pops up when I'm detoxing got pretty bad, worse than usual. I ended up ingesting massive amounts of salt to help cope with the symptoms. Apparently the salt binds with the toxins and helps excrete them. The salt loading protocol recommends 1/2 tsp every 15 minutes followed by 12-16 oz of water until urination begins. Then until symptoms improve. I must have gone through 2 gallons of water. However my rash did improve significantly.
I decided to cut back to half a pill of the selenium, and continue with large doses of salt.
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how much selenium were you taking?
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how much selenium were you taking?
200 mg selenomethionine.
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml (http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml)
Interesting article by my favorite doctor (Dr. Abram Hoffer) in the orthomolecular journal that he made himself. Filled with great info.
That article looks into manganese and zinc's connection to schizophrenia.
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It's interesting. For some time now I've thought of illness to behave in a cause and effect manner. Same with good health. Therefore I've believed that illness can be prevented through life style, diet and various other factors.
After getting pain in my tendons, I looked into manganese and tendons. Saw that my diet was very manganese deficient and added in a supplement. My tendon pain went away. I also decided to look into manganese and schizophrenia and found the link in my last post. I did further searching and saw the Dr. Abram Hoffer, who founded the megavitamin/orthomolecular therapy for schizophrenia (niacin and vitamin c) also recommended manganese. I just ordered his book "Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia." In it there's a chapter on manganese, zinc and copper.
Dr. Abram Hoffer was ahead of his time. While other doctors were prescribing meds and sedating patients, he was prescribing vitamins, minerals and EFA's. Even neglecting diet his patients still got great results. Imagine combined with the right diet how effective his megavitamin therapy can be?
I found a new website by Dr. Hoffer, actually it was run by him when he was alive - http://orthomolecularvitamincentre.com/ (http://orthomolecularvitamincentre.com/)
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I thought I would post an update, one of the thorough ones lol. Here it goes.
Dental/Bone Health
I've read that Vitamin K2 is excellent for dental health in many articles from Weston Price and elsewhere. I've been taking Carlson's Vitamin K2 (5 mg per pill) at 10 mg 3x per day. It's supposed to increase the amount of minerals placed into the bones and teeth. There's even a Japanese study showing benefits. Since the Vitamin K2 increases mineral uptake into bones and teeth, I've added in various minerals and other Vitamins that increase uptake.
I'm taking 200 mg of calcium 3x daily. 5,000 IU Vitamin D3 daily. Manganese is a recent addition also, I take 8 mg of chelated manganese 3x daily. I take 11 mg of clelated Zinc daily, and 100 mcg chelated selenium. It's to soon to say if I'm noticing benefits with my teeth, but I am noticing some interesting things as far as joints and bones go.
I've also been taking about 300 mg of magnesium glycinate daily (100 mg per meal). While also taking about 1 tsp daily of Blue Ocean Minerals (459 mg magnesium) daily.
My posture is better, usually I'd slouch, but lately I'm sitting up straight. I also had some sort of problem with my right shoulder. It felt different from my left shoulder, and some times gave me pain. Now it feels the same as my left shoulder. the right side of my jaw has also been cracking. I wonder if it has something to do with the right side of my skull, which also is somewhat uneven compared to the left side. It makes me wonder if these minerals are rapidly being placed into my bones thanks to the Vitamin K2.
Mental Health
It's interesting but the same supplements I'm taking for dental health are supposed to improve mental health. Perhaps there's some kind of connection between my bone malformations, dental problems and mental health.
Manganese is apparently an area of interest for schizophrenia as I recently found out, and so is zinc. Excess copper levels is something Dr. Hoffer found in a lot of schizophrenics, and zinc is supposed to help eliminate copper. Also when taking zinc manganese levels can get depleted. It's interesting and I'm by no means an expert yet, the book I ordered should yield much more info.
My mental state is calm, organized, and overall I feel great.
Exercise
I'm weight training 4x a week, and regularly playing sports and doing cardio. I eat 6 oz of a meat (beef, shrimp, salmon, etc.) and 2.5 oz of beef fat per meal. I plan to add in some eggs (possibly, still considering it).
Sun Bathing
I try to spend at least 20 minutes in the sun with minimal clothing when I can. I'm just starting and want to avoid burning so I'm only doing 20 minutes for now. I'll gradually increase as I go.
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Starting yesterday I stopped using the Lugol's. After starting the selenium I started getting horrible detox symptoms, and I realized I couldn't continue taking the high doses of iodine that I was taking without the selenium. So starting today I'm going to likely just take 1 or 2 drops for the day, while before I was doing 10-20.
I added in P5P (the active form of B6). After reading PaleoPhil's journal and some articles on orthomolecular medicine and B6 I figured I'd give it a shot.
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Awesome find today. Fresh, grass fed New Zealand lamb for $6/lb. WF sells it, literally from the same retailer, for $9/lb.
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And another great find! A local butcher that sells fatty cuts of beef for less than $4/lb. I paid $3.19/lb and walked out of there with like 3-4 lbs of fat and 9-10 lbs of meat for $40.
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Well DaBoss, I just read ur last three paragraphs , and again very impressive. I m flushing also (main lines from ur paragraph ) for a facebook group and that is really impressive. How much mg Geodon are u in now? keep doing the good work. Ur success will help millions.
Here is another evidence from an orthomolecular doctor from India who is my best friend and he wrote to me about yesterday on diet, " Dear friend: I wish to tell Vikas that he deposited the money successfully. Not to worry on this. I have checked.
I had asked some questions, list of symptoms, how did it all begin and questions about food and drinks. I also advised for blood tests for hemoglobin, blood group ( the O blood group was the first group and it was of early hunters when agriculture was not discovered---so if he is an O group like mine, then he HAS TO take some sort of cave man's diet), B12 level, liver function test and fasting insulin (to check hypoglycemia).
If he can't pay for these tests then he should at least reply to my wife, Dr Kusum's questions and we can start from there. Just yesterday Kusum wrote to him the list of Qs as mentioned above.
In any case she is thinking of starting cave man's diet that is alternatively called the "Elimination diet" for 10 days after which we will ask him to ingest one by one the eliminated foods to see what food triggers symptoms. Perhaps we need to involve his mother as an observer.
Its a very powerful tool. I have successfully "caught" the cause of depression and even hallucinations in my patients following this method ---call it "trick". And the best thing is that the caregivers of these patients and in one case the patient himself are convinced of the cause I helped them discover. This patient who was himself convinced is a medical superintendent of a government hospital, depressed, on psychiatric drugs past 7 years. He is now happy and satisfied.
Please forward this reply to Vikas so that I don't have to re-type it for him
Thanks.
Ratan."
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The detox symptoms from the selenium were horrible. I cut back to 1/4 a pill (200 mcg) and I've been able to get a little more iodine (4-8 drops daily).
I've been doing some homework into frozen vs. fresh animal foods, and there's actually some scientific evidence showing that freezing alters the food to a decent degree. A google search of "freezing protein denaturation" yields some info. I ended up buying a book off amazon called "Advances in Food Research, vol. 26."
You can read some of the info on freezing and its effects on food quality here - http://www.amazon.com/ADVANCES-FOOD-RESEARCH-VOLUME-Volume/dp/0120164264 (http://www.amazon.com/ADVANCES-FOOD-RESEARCH-VOLUME-Volume/dp/0120164264)
I found somewhere online where it gets more into detail about the freezing aspect but I can't find the link now.
On another note. Found wild caught alaskan salmon for $5/lb. I also may have sourced some very cheap grass fed beef fat that I can get fresh and weekly.
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I'm now taking 1/2 a pill of the selenium (was taking 1/4, 200 mcg/pill). I've also been able to keep up the iodine (around 10 drops of 2% daily).
I've switched to fresh/unfrozen meats, so far so good. I have a shipment coming from Miller's for beef fat which will be fresh, and only the muscle meat trimmings.
My diet lately has been grass fed beef (fresh and from White Oak Pastures), grass fed New Zealand lamb (fresh), beef fat (frozen from White Oak Pastures), and wild caught Alaskan Salmon (fresh) w/ various fruits and veggies.
The P5P has been going well. I've been taking half a pill w/ breakfast and the other half with lunch (50 mg per pill).
I'm still waiting for my books to get here, especially the one on orthomolecular medicine by Dr. Hoffer.
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My book "Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia," by Dr. Hoffer has arrived.
I'd like to quote a paragraph I just read.
"As an interesting aside, the fact that schizophrenia still exists in all human populations proves that it is a genetic -morph-ism. This means that while there is no advantage in being sick with schizophrenia, there is some advantage conferred by carrying the genes: have enough of them without becoming sick. First-order relatives are a case in point: in the Darwinian sense of being biologically superior, they are reproductively successful. Schizophrenics themselves tend to be physically superior to nonschizophrenics and appear more youthful (even in old age); their hair does not turn gray as early as the normal population;s would; they have higher tolerance to pain; they do not have as high an incidence of arthritis or cancer; and they are more resistant to bacterial infections/ They also seem to be more creative, a psychological trait due perhaps to their inner experiences with perceptual changes."
Something I've seen recently after reviewing more of his studies, books, etc. is that he thinks there's an actual benefit to being schizophrenic - the downside is we need very specific nutrition and without it we get sick.
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I also just got the book "Enzyme Nutrition,' by Dr. Edward Howell.
"Raw Fat is not Fattening"
"A pound of raw beefsteak may add only protein to the tissues and not put on any fat. On the other hand, the same amount of cooked beefsteak may give the eater a little unwanted fat. Many people, such as the primitive, isolated Eskimo, as we have seen, ate raw meat as part of their diet. Dr. V.E. Levine of Omaha, Nebraska, examined 3,000 primitive Eskimos during 3 trips to the Arctic and found only one overweight person. These Eskimos ate enormous amounts of fat. It is hard to escape the conclusion that raw food is not fattening in the conventional sense. Raw blubber and other fats used by the Eskimo, along with the raw butter that was formerly enjoyed throughout America, do not promote weight gain. Raw fats evidently belong in a special pigeonhole in nutritional speculations. Furthermore, medical reports on primitive, isolated Eskimos emphasize that these heavy eaters of raw animal fat had no hypertension (high blood pressure) or hardening of the arteries. All raw fats are inhabited by the enzyme lipase which should not be ignored in speculations on a perfect diet. This enzymes is absent in the kind of fats presently used in the kitchen."
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without having read your july 31st post first, i have also been learning more about manganese, copper, and zinc... and the importance of balance with all of the minerals to support good adrenal function, thyroid function, mental health, and general health. here's a link you may have found during your research that confirms a lot of what you already know...
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm (http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm)
if you're not already dabbling with shellfish, these may be a good compliment to the salmon you've been eating. i can attest to a noticeable "clarity" when consuming these seafoods. the shellfish contain good amounts of manganese and iron, a decent balance of copper and zinc, lots of selenium, good protein, and ample amounts of b12...
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4180/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4180/2)
i posted this link before, just wanted to throw it out there again (scroll down a bit). fresh, live clams are quite tasty.
dulse is a good, natural source of iodine.
if you haven't tried it yet, i'd also recommend alligator, it's a nice change from beef sometimes... you're in an area where it's available from local sources.
i'm glad things are going well for you!
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without having read your july 31st post first, i have also been learning more about manganese, copper, and zinc... and the importance of balance with all of the minerals to support good adrenal function, thyroid function, mental health, and general health. here's a link you may have found during your research that confirms a lot of what you already know...
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm (http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm)
That link was a good read. I actually have been trying to lower my copper intake, while increasing my zinc consumption. Most of the patients Dr. Hoffer came across had abnormally high copper, and low zinc. I've cut out liver (high copper content) and added in carrots for my vitamin A. I'll do that for the time being till I find a cheap source of fresh, unfrozen liver.
if you're not already dabbling with shellfish, these may be a good compliment to the salmon you've been eating. i can attest to a noticeable "clarity" when consuming these seafoods. the shellfish contain good amounts of manganese and iron, a decent balance of copper and zinc, lots of selenium, good protein, and ample amounts of b12...
I'm still searching for more fresh, unfrozen food sources. So far I have muscle meats (beef, lamb) and beef fat taken care of. If I could find fresh, unfrozen shell fish I'd certainly get some.
i posted this link before, just wanted to throw it out there again (scroll down a bit). fresh, live clams are quite tasty.
dulse is a good, natural source of iodine.
if you haven't tried it yet, i'd also recommend alligator, it's a nice change from beef sometimes... you're in an area where it's available from local sources.
i'm glad things are going well for you!
I'm avoiding seaweed for the time being as it's high in starch. Also I'm not sure I'd want to eat alligator fresh and unfrozen.
And thank you, things are going great. The supplements I'm taking combined with high fat raw paleo of fresh unfrozen foods is working well. I'll make a post on the changes I've made at some point, I've just been really busy.
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cool...
you can find unfrozen shellfish at most markets, wholefoods sells live clams,oysters and mussels... if they're live, then they're unfrozen. clams and oysters are open when they die, so if they're closed, they should be ok. mussels are different, they are often open, i place these in a bowl of water, and watch for the ones that don't close or react... the mussels are usually farm grown on a rope, so there can be annoying twine-like material attached to them. i've found most of the clams (littleneck, or middleneck) from wholefoods to be brought in to a port on the east coast (port of entry is usually disclosed), the clams average about 35-45 cents/each. good samaritan posted an informative thread about eating live oysters, including how to open them. i find the clams are easier, i crack them with a hammer, pry the shells apart, and scoop out the goods with a spoon. rinse under running water to wash away potential shell fragments... i'll be eating clams tonight, i'll take some pics of the process if you'd like.
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Well today I got my book on how freezing effects animal foods. I have yet to pick it up, but I'll be sure to get the good info and post it here.
So for the last week or so I've been doing exclusively fresh/unfrozen everything. I'm eating 2.5 oz of beef fat (from Miller's Organic Farm) and 5-6 oz beef or lamb (both grass fed, beef-White Oak Pastures, lamb-New Zealand) per meal. I also added in eggs from Miller's. They've been a real treat, and great when I want some fat/protein but don't have time for a meal.
I eat a lot more carbs than I used to. It likely has something to do with 1) that I'm exercising regularly, and 2) that my enzyme pathways are likely functioning much better. I eat maybe 4-7 fruits per day (ie apples, bananas, etc.) and a serving or 2 of vegetables daily (mainly carrots, tomatoes, bell peppers).
Initially after switching to fresh/unfrozen I went through some detoxing which sucked. My fingers got swollen and the rash I get some times was really bad. It's clearing up though and right now it's barely noticeable.
I've been salting my foods HEAVILY. I add tons of salt to my meat, fat, and even certain vegetables. I've been adding some salt to my distilled water as well as some of the Blue Ocean Minerals.
My supplement regimen is pretty thorough now, and I'm noticing good results with the combination of diet+supplements.
50 mg B complex twice daily
1,000 mg Vitamin C 3x daily
1,500 mg niacin 3x daily
25 mg B6 P5P 2x daily
Chelated zinc - 11 mg once daily
Chelated manganese - 8 mg 3x daily
Chelated selenium - 100 mcg once daily
Calcium - 200 mg 3x daily
Magnesium - chelated mag 100 mg 3x daily, Blue Ocean Minerals 1/2 tsp twice daily (total 759 mg)
SCD complete multivitamin - 1/6th normal dose once daily
Lugols Iodine - 5mg 5-10x daily
Potassium powder - varies
Vitamin D3 - 5,000 IU daily
Vitamin K2 - 10 mg 3x daily
It's all working VERY well. I'm digesting my food very well, I can eat meals close together without any discomfort. My energy is great, mood is awesome.
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I've always been meaning to ask: does that dose of niacin make you flush? I'm taking niacin in the evening, but I flush so hard (every square inch of my body) that I cannot imagine taking a dose before work or at work.
The flush does not commence until about two hours after I take the niacin. Do you have any insight into why it takes so long for me to flush? My thinking is that there is some sluggish absorption going on that would affect absorption of other supplements.
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I've always been meaning to ask: does that dose of niacin make you flush?
It varies. But yes, on occasion I will get a very noticeable flush, to the point of being red all over. Dr. Hoffer said that the more niacin a person needs, the more they can take without producing a flush. Usually when I take my first dose I will get a very noticeable flush, but then with my second and third meal there's no flush. Again though, it varies, and a lot of times I get no flush at all (even with doses as high as 2,000 mg 3x a day).
I'm taking niacin in the evening, but I flush so hard (every square inch of my body) that I cannot imagine taking a dose before work or at work.
What symptoms do you notice that make it something you don't want to take at work? I usually don't get the itching sensation any more, just the red skin which I tell others is from a supplement I take.
The flush does not commence until about two hours after I take the niacin. Do you have any insight into why it takes so long for me to flush? My thinking is that there is some sluggish absorption going on that would affect absorption of other supplements.
The same thing happens with me most of the time when I flush. Some times it will be much sooner, but more often it will be an hour or so after taking it. For example if I take it at 1130am, I might not start flushing till around 1pm. I'm not sure exactly why some times the flush comes on sooner or later.
I use capsules, so I imagine the absorption is pretty rapid. Tablets I would think break down a little slower.
Either way, the delayed flush is fine. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss why you're taking large doses of niacin (I'm curious).
P.S. - Avoid timed release niacin. The TR niacin has been linked to liver problems, while regular niacin has been shown to be much safer. I personally have been taking regular niacin now since a little before August 2010.
P.P.S - Starting with a low dose and gradually increasing the dose helps reduce the flush.
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What symptoms do you notice that make it something you don't want to take at work? I usually don't get the itching sensation any more, just the red skin which I tell others is from a supplement I take.
It would be professionally awkward to be with my clients while the redness is happening. My coworkers would be cool about it, but it wouldn't fit in to my work environment.
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I just left my psychiatrist's office and he has agreed to go down to 10 mg daily. The lowest dose they sell is 20 mg and I've been taking that dose since March now. I plan to do 4-6 months on 10 mg, and then (with my doctor's supervision) stop completely.
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congrats on happy news! 8)
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DaBoss, the best news ever lowering dose from 20 to 10mg. make ur journal to publish to the public and let them know how raw paleo forum and one main stream psychiatrist help u to become schizophrenia free
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I've actually decided to stay at the 20 mg dose till I've been on it for 6 months. Then I'll taper to 10 mg.
I've started branching out my diet and adding more variety. I was originally eating lamb and beef fat. But I've added in grass fed beef and buffalo. I also just ordered some duck eggs in addition to the usual chicken eggs. As well as some honey to add to the fruits and veggies.
I'm also considering asking Miller's if they can send me a couple pounds of lamb fat, just to add variety to the beef fat.
Supplements are the same. Still working out regularly.
I took a break from ferments. Though I think I'm going to make some pickles tomorrow. I'm also thinking of experimenting with fermenting different meats. Maybe lamb and beef plain, as well as lamb and beef with added salt. When I get my honey I'll make some fermented honey too. Oh the possibilities! ;D
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I made some pickles and my new "salted high meat." The pickles are coming along, but they're usually best once they're fully fermented (stop bubbling). The salted high meat is completely odorless and flavorless. However when I open the jar it makes a popping sound, so there's definitely some fermentation taking place. I'm thinking the salt ensures lactic acid bacteria thrive (the same way it works for naturally fermented pickles, sauerkraut, etc).
I get a huge 5 lb tub of honey Monday. I plan to transfer it from the plastic container to glass mason jars and refrigerate. I may try to ferment some.
I had to cut back on my selenium supplement when I added in the buffalo. I started getting nasty detox symptoms. After looking into it I saw bison has a lot of selenium. So I cut out the supplement to balance my selenium intake.
I've hit a sort of sweet spot. I've set up my diet to have some variety from the muscle meats.. bison, beef, lamb (occasionally salmon). I eat a variety of plant foods (veggies, fruit). Tons (I mean tons) of fat, like 250+ grams of fat daily. Some fermented foods here and there. Tons of Real Salt (love the stuff). I'm adding in more variety from my eggs.. duck, quail and chicken. Lot's of magnesium (Blue Ocean Minerals and Mag glycinate).
It's interesting how nutrition can change how you perceive the world. I think it's so cool. Like I'm just so much calmer and more focused. Life's so much easier when the body is functioning properly.
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your improved health and mental state is good news to read, i'm glad you're seeing your efforts pay off. :)
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your improved health and mental state is good news to read, i'm glad you're seeing your efforts pay off. :)
Thanks. It's nice lol
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Once again Miller's farm has come through with an incredible shipment. Although this time they've really outdone themselves. The beef fat I received was a deep, deep yellow. And so soft it literally melts when it's out of the fridge. Needless to say I love the stuff lol.
I also received some raw honey. I IMMEDIATELY transferred it from the plastic container into Mason jars and stuck them in the fridge. It's incredible, and compared to the honey I left out in the plastic it's much better. The honey I left out that was in the plastic made my teeth hurt, I assume it's because the combination of the bacteria, plastic and warm temperatures caused some "not so beneficial" bacteria to replicate. When I first got the honey that I left out it didn't hurt my teeth. I know from now on to put it in glass and refrigerate.
I've been eating beef, buffalo, and lamb. As well as the usual 1/2 lb of beef fat daily. I've been salting all of it heavily using "Real Salt." I've also been dry aging my food for much longer than I used to. I purchased about 4.5 lbs of lamb and 4.5 lbs of beef. Since I only eat 5 oz per day of each, it's lasted a while. The beef and lamb have both turned dark and dry on the outside. It adds a nice flavor, though the lamb can be a bit stronger than I like.
I've been eating a lot of pickles. I went through an entire jar in about 2 days. I actually forgot about the salted high meat, I need to check how it's doing tomorrow.
I think I still take all the same supplements.
Niacin, b complex, b6, vitamin c, zinc, manganese, calcium, vitamin k2, magnesium, and I'm sure a few other things. And I'm still on 20 mg of geodon. A little longer and I plan to taper a little lower.
I'm still drinking distilled water. However I stopped adding salt and magnesium to it.
My mood is constant, I'm always happy and optimistic. My energy is also constant, plenty to get things done. Overall I'm doing great.
Oh and I got some duck eggs! They're huge, and have incredibly dark yolks. I love em lol
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I'm glad the Miller's is working for you, bro. I used to LOOOOOVE their pork fat. It was like peanut butter, but better.
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I'm glad the Miller's is working for you, bro. I used to LOOOOOVE their pork fat. It was like peanut butter, but better.
Lol did they have a buying club in your area?
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Lol did they have a buying club in your area?
yeah, Iwas the club. It got expensive. ROFL
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Lol their stuff isn't cheap. I pay $2.50/lb for their beef fat. I was paying $3.89/2.5 lbs from white oak pastures. Also their marrow and organs are very expensive.
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Lol their stuff isn't cheap. I pay $2.50/lb for their beef fat. I was paying $3.89/2.5 lbs from white oak pastures. Also their marrow and organs are very expensive.
yeah, it's the organs that really cost. Crazy Weston Pricers and paleo folks have created quite a demand for them.
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yeah, it's the organs that really cost. Crazy Weston Pricers and paleo folks have created quite a demand for them.
I personally feel that Millers is taking advantage because they know people interested in WP well pay top dollar. Most farms (like white oak pastures) practically give away their marrow and organs. Seriously, look at their online store.
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Yeah, and I seriously doubt Miller's is as good quality as White Oak. Miller's is in a much colder area, which means grass and bugs are not available for animals to eat for as much of the year.
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Yeah, and I seriously doubt Miller's is as good quality as White Oak. Miller's is in a much colder area, which means grass and bugs are not available for animals to eat for as much of the year.
That's true. I've actually visited White Oak in the winter. It was still not even that cold, I think I was wearing jean shorts. I plan to visit again and stock up on marrow and organs :)
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That's true. I've actually visited White Oak in the winter. It was still not even that cold, I think I was wearing jean shorts. I plan to visit again and stock up on marrow and organs :)
Yeah, if I bothered to eat much meat other than seafood, I'd probably be ordering from them. However, I can't get never-frozen grassfed meat around here easily, so I just eat plenty of seafood, which I do very well on.
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A few weeks ago after fluctuating moods from to much selenium coupled with detoxing from the iodine protocol. I decided I would try to get to a "sweet spot" and just keep it there. Sweet spot being where I'm functioning very well, and then maintaining that routine.
So I'm doing all fresh unfrozen now. I eat beef, lamb, buffalo, occasionally fish, beef fat, duck eggs, chicken eggs, honey, and fruits and vegetables. I eat 3 meals a day, each one having 5 oz of a meat and 2.5 oz of beef fat. I salt my food heavily (using Real Salt). I also drink a lot of water daily.
I've been doing the iodine protocol pretty strictly. Every morning I add 50 mg of iodine (from Lugol's) to a gallon jug of distilled water and drink it through out the day. I use the Real Salt as recommended in the iodine protocol (lots on food, plus a 1/2 tsp any time you feel the symptoms of detox).
Here's a link to the iodine protocol for more info - http://home.comcast.net/~jocy1/junk/The%20Guide%20to%20Supplementing%20with%20Iodine.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~jocy1/junk/The%20Guide%20to%20Supplementing%20with%20Iodine.pdf) - pg. 5 shows the recommended supplements.
I also added Vitamin K2 (Mk-4). The iodine protocol is supposed to help get fluoride out of areas where it doesn't belong. A lot of times the iodine is bound to calcium or magnesium and integrated into bone (or sometimes placed where it shouldn't be). Vitamin K2 is supposed to help remove calcium from areas it doesn't belong and redirect it. So I think it's a good addition. Although I eat lots of very yellow beef fat and eggs with dark egg yolks which are high in K2.
I'm still taking 1,500 mg niacin, with 50 mg b complex and 1000 mg vitamin c 3x daily. I also take 300 mg magnesium glycinate, and 1 tsp of Blue Ocean Minerals (has 459 mg magnesium). 1,000 mg calcium daily. I take about 11 mg chelated zinc daily, and 8 mg chelated manganese 3x daily. 8,000 IU Vitamin D3 daily.
I'm still drinking distilled water and using a shower head water purifier. Fluoride free tooth paste.
I'm still on 20 mg geodon. After I finish this bottle I'll probably start the reduced dose. I'm actually not in such a hurry to get off of it. I've had doctors tell me I'm on such a low dose it's not what's needed to effectively do anything (was told that on 40 mg). So I'm pretty sure I can safely stop it. My concern is the withdrawal effects. I've been on them for a long time so I want to taper very slowly. After this bottle I'll have been on 20 mg for 6 months. Then I'll do 10 mg.
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I've recently increased my Vitamin A consumption. I was probably getting very little since I didn't eat much organs for some time.
I added in the FCLO liquid, I take 1-1.5 tsp daily. I also started eating an oz of grass fed beef/veal liver daily.
1 tsp of the FCLO has 200% DV, 1 oz of liver has 100% DV. I know the WPF says that traditional peoples consumed as much as 10x the amount found in the SAD back in the 60's. Anyone have a recommendation for how much Vitamin A is optimal?
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I've been eating liver since starting RPD and aside from about 3 weeks without I've consumed about 4-8 oz. daily. This is about 500-1000% of the RDA and I've yet to get vitaminosis a. In fact, I only feel better with liver and eat it instinctively smelling it and stopping when the taste changes. I do know you can get vitaminosis a from animal sources of vitamin a but idk how far over the limit you have to go and for how long. Either way, I love me some liver.
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I decided to cut out the liver. I noticed I was having trouble sleeping at night, which I think might have been due to the copper in the liver. I've continued taking FCLO, 1 tsp daily.
I recently started experimenting with various forms of magnesium. The first one I added was "magnesium-L-threonate." It's supposed to be able to directly penetrate the blood brain barrier and help the brain. Here's a link with more info.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/feb2012_Novel-Magnesium-Compound-Reverses-Neurodegeneration_01.htm (http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/feb2012_Novel-Magnesium-Compound-Reverses-Neurodegeneration_01.htm)
I then decided to add magnesium taurate, which is supposed to be good for the heart.
I've been eating a lot more carbs, like 6-10 pieces/servings of fruit daily.
I've also started adding a pinch of Real Salt to each gallon of distilled water I drink to "restructure" the water.
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I've been eating a lot of coconut meat. I saw a youtube video of a guy using a screw driver and a hammer. He hammered the screw driver into the coconut and made 3 holes, then poured out the coconut water. Then he hammered the coconut around the perimeter, and it literally cracks in half. I tried it (a second time) and literally the coconut cracked right off the meat, and I was left with a ball of coconut meat. Yum! I plan to eat some avocado later too. I've been eating a lot of beef fat, and feel some different fat sources would be a good change.
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I just smash them, making sure to smash the side with the eyes against a rock or something similarly hard. The first whack cracks it enough to save the water, most of the time that water is kind of gross, too sweet, a little off tasting, so I toss it, give it a few more smacks and I can crack it in half and forths. If the meat is too hard to get off I just rinse and pat dry the coconut and let it dry for a few days and the meat shrinks up and is easier to get off with a knife.
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I like the part about setting it aside... smart, if you can wait. i agree, the water if not perfectly great tasting can turn in your guts. Even great tasting water I find unless drunk on and empty stomach and digested, can go off inyour gut. I still like the method I saw on u tube, if you have a meat cleaver, start smacking it around the equator with a bowl underneath. When water starts coming out, you can then usually pry it open. Then keep smacking the halves into quarters, and so on. In the store it helps to test the soft eye to see how easily it scrapes or pushes in. Too soft of an eye, and it's a pretty good indication that the insides has spoiled. You can also ask your grocer to keep them in the cooler along with the rest of the veggies/fruits.. I find that they go well with avocado, as in eating one then the other. Have found they detract from meat digestion when combined.
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Perhaps the trouble sleeping while consuming liver was not necessarily due to the liver itself but rather one of or a combination of supplements? In other words, ingesting the raw liver did provide you with niacin/other B vitamins, or something else that helped your body and therefore the supplement(s) was simply too much? I'm just throwing something out there as I consume a lot of raw liver fairly frequently. I definitely eat more than what would be found proportionally to the animal if I found it in the wild.
Just sharing my experience and trying to help you raise questions for yourself. Take it or leave it. I know for myself, when I consume large amounts of seafood while maintaining the iodine protocol I start to experience mild symptoms of hyperthyroidism; slightly restless, sensitive to heat with hot body. Without the seafood I'm back to normal. You've been at this way longer than me, and I'm not trying to be idealistic, just something to consider.
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Hello everyone. I think it's time for one of my detailed posts describing what I've been up to lifestyle-wise. So here it is, enjoy.
Diet
I've recently really upped my fat. I was eating 2.5 oz of beef fat per meal. Now I'm eating 4 oz per meal. I'm also eating a good amount of coconut meat. I estimate I get 2,400+ calories from fat daily. It's really contributed to a very calm, steady feeling of energy. It feels good.
I also decreased my protein consumption slightly. I was eating 5 oz of meat per meal. Now I eat 4 oz per meal. I still eat one duck egg and one chicken egg daily (some times an extra egg or two).
Water
I've started "restructuring" my distilled water. I used to distill my water and drink it just like that. But I started adding a pinch of Real Salt to each gallon I make.
Sleep
Generally I go to sleep pretty early and wake up early. I usually sleep about 9 hours. So long as I get to bed early I wake up well rested.
Supplements / Orthomolecular Medicine
I'm still taking most of the same supplements, but I've added in a few. I'm still taking the B complex, niacin, and vitamin c. Combined with RPD and the other things I'm doing the results are phenomenal. These things (as I've mentioned before) are essential for schizophrenia.
For bone/dental health I've implemented a variety of different things. I'm taking several different forms of magnesium (chloride, taurate, glycinate and theronate) for a total of about 1,100 mg. Magnesium is a big component of bones so it's supposed to help. It also gives me a very calming effect.
I'm still doing the iodine protocol. I take 50 mg of iodine using Lugol's which is supposed to help excrete toxic bromine, fluorine, and chlorine. Fluoride can mix with various minerals (calcium, magnesium, etc.) and form bone structures. So since I'm eliminating these things, I take 800 mg calcium to replace lost calcium.
I also take 15 mg of Vitamin K2 divided into 3 doses which is supposed to help direct minerals into bones and away from arteries, and other areas it can cause harm. This is in addition to eating pastured eggs, grass fed animal fats, etc. which are supposed to be very high in Vitamin K2.
I've been taking Fermented Cod Liver Oil, 5 mL daily to get the fat soluble vitamins A &D. According to Weston Price that's supposed to do a lot for dental health in combination with lots of animal fats and Vitamin K2.
Per the iodine protocol for eliminating toxic halides, I've been using a lot more salt. I think part of it is that I was eating regular food for a few days so there was more to eliminate.
Based on how I feel I think everything is working very well. I'd like to see more as far as dental health goes, but I know these things take time. It probably took a long time for it to get to the point it was, so I'm sure it'll take time to repair.
I feel great though. My mood is constant, always happy, calm and doing well in my life's pursuits.
I hope to do more sun bathing in the future. And especially exercising in the sun.
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And.. Drum roll please..
Saw my doctor yesterday. We've agreed to start on 10 mg of geodon. I've been taking 20 mg for the last 6 months. And starting last night I began 10 mg.
I went to sleep around 9pm. I took a timed release melatonin to help me fall asleep early, as well as a couple hundred mg of magnesium in various forms. That's my method for falling asleep early when I'm not tired.
When I've done that in the past I'd usually fall asleep around 9-10pm and wake up around 8am. That was on the 40 mg dose. Last night I went to sleep at 9-10pm while taking the 10 mg dose, and today I woke up at 5am.
I think this is a sign of my body needing less sleep while on the 10 mg. It could also be that the 10 mg created less of a drug induced coma.
I know when I used to take large doses it used to knock me out to the point of needing to go to sleep because I could barely keep my eyes open.
How do I feel right now? Pretty excited lol.
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That's sweet DaBoss!!! Really good job with self control on stepping down the dosage! I know I would have thrown that shit ooouut and then been on a rollercoaster, heh. Do you have trouble falling asleep when you don't take the melatonin+mag? Do you have anxiety or do you have anxiety that you might have anxiety and not sleep? Just curious cause I went through this whole thing about learning how to relax and sleep and....yeh its a journey. Anyway Congrats! 6 more months on 10mg or play it by ear?
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That's sweet DaBoss!!! Really good job with self control on stepping down the dosage! I know I would have thrown that shit ooouut and then been on a rollercoaster, heh.
Lol I'm being very careful tapering the meds and with any modifications I make to my routine. Better safe than sorry.
Do you have trouble falling asleep when you don't take the melatonin+mag?
Typically no. I generally don't take melatonin at all. Most nights I'll take a little bit of magnesium right before going to sleep. My sleep schedule usually has a lot to do with when I take the geodon.
If I take it around 5pm I'd be asleep by 8-9. But if I take it at 8 or 9 I might not fall asleep till much later. I'll have to see how taking the lower dose effects my sleep schedule since it might not put me to sleep like it usually does.
Do you have anxiety or do you have anxiety that you might have anxiety and not sleep?
Never anxiety. I'm always very calm. Some times I just fall asleep a little later than I'd like, so I took the melatonin that night. Especially not knowing the effects of the reduced dose and how I'd sleep.
6 more months on 10mg or play it by ear?
I'm aiming for 6 months just to be on the safe side.
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I started researching which form of calcium is the best. I decided to start supplementing with Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite (MCH). It's supposed to be very bio available, and it's extracted from grass fed cows.
The Weston Price Foundation had good things to say about it.
"But only one is actually a food extract and that is calcium hydroxyapatite. This is the form of calcium that naturally occurs in bone. Low temperature processing techniques are used to extract microcrystalline hydroxyapatite concentrate (MCHC) from raw bone--the best products utilize MCHC from free-range, pesticide-free New Zealand cattle. MCHC is a complex crystalline compound composed of calcium (about 24 percent), phosphorous, delicate organic factors (thus the importance of low-temperature processing), protein matrix and the full spectrum of minerals that naturally comprise healthy bone."
http://www.westonaprice.org/health-issues/dietary-supplements (http://www.westonaprice.org/health-issues/dietary-supplements)
I decided to buy the NOW brand Calcium Hydroxyapatite capsules. I'll start taking 1,000 mg divided in two doses with lunch and dinner. I'll continue with the high doses of magnesium, as well as the Vitamin K2 and see how it goes.
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as calcium supplements go, yes, but I'd stay with ground bone, if you think you have a need for more ca. anything in a bottle has gone through big processes. You can easily guy ferrier files on line, or at any horse equipment store...
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I bought a ferrier's file as Van recommended and am very happy with it. Fresh bone meal tastes good. Almost sweet.
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I plan to try filing the bone but I need to wait for some bones from Miller's. Till then I'll use the supplement.
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Did the Geodon really help you? I have heard some bad things about it.
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It's one of those things that I was put on it before I knew anything about alternative health. As I've started using alternative health practices I've decreased the dosage.
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I just got a shipment of about 1 lb fresh/unfrozen beef brain. It's been a while since I have brain. Today I plan to have 1 oz with breakfast and see how it goes.
I've been cutting back on fruit and eating more honey after reading about the Fukushima accident in Japan resulting in a lot of radiation in California (most of my fruits are from California). So I'll be sourcing fruit from other places and eating more honey till then.
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What kind of vitamin K2 do you take?
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What kind of vitamin K2 do you take?
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/carlson-laboratories-vitamin-k2-60-capsules/cl-7223 (http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/carlson-laboratories-vitamin-k2-60-capsules/cl-7223)
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Is it extracted from Natto?
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Is it extracted from Natto?
No. The kind of K2 extracted from Natto is MK-7.
"K2, the vitamin extracted from fermented natto soyfood, has been shown to have greater levels of absorption in the blood than commonly used vitamin K, as well as reducing several risk factors for osteoporosis, suggest new findings."
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Natto-vitamin-K2-superior-to-vitamin-K (http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Natto-vitamin-K2-superior-to-vitamin-K)
I prefer the MK-4 form which is what's found in pastured animal foods.
"Two forms of vitamin K2 supplements are commercially available: menaquinone-4 (MK-4), also called menatetrenone, and menaquinone-7 (MK-7). MK-4 is a synthetic product that is believed to be chemically and physiologically identical to the vitamin K2 found in animal fats. This form has been used in most of the animal experiments and in the Japanese osteoporosis studies. Although synthetic, it is effective, and there is no known toxicity. MK-7 is a natural extract of natto, a fermented soy food popular in Eastern Japan. MK-4 is much less expensive than MK-7, but no studies have yet compared the efficacy of these two forms."
http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2#supplementing (http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2#supplementing)
By "synthetic" they mean that is it's not a food extract. None of my supplements are (except the blue ocean minerals and FCLO) and all the sources I've seen say they're exactly the same chemically.
"Natural vs. synthetic ascorbic acid
Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are chemically identical, and there are no known differences in their biological activity. The possibility that the bioavailability of L-ascorbic acid from natural sources might differ from that of synthetic ascorbic acid was investigated in at least two human studies, and no clinically significant differences were observed. A study of 12 males (six smokers and six nonsmokers) found the bioavailability of synthetic ascorbic acid (powder administered in water) to be slightly superior to that of orange juice, based on blood levels of ascorbic acid, and not different based on ascorbic acid in leukocytes (white blood cells) (1). A study in 68 male nonsmokers found that ascorbic acid consumed in cooked broccoli, orange juice, orange slices, and as synthetic ascorbic acid tablets are equally bioavailable, as measured by plasma ascorbic acid levels (2, 3)."
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/vitCform.html (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/vitCform.html)
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I've found a few places to get some non-California fruit. I've also been eating 1 oz of brain every day.
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Going strong on 10 mg of the geodon. Exciting! Lol
Still eating an oz of brain daily, I can't go without it! Lol I feel like the brain is really helping a lot.
I started using Iguana's method of cleaning meat with seawater. I've learned from experience that New Zealand lamb and brain (both of which come pre packaged in plastic) will start smelling while aging. So I put some Redomond's Real Salt in distilled water and dip them in. It eliminated the smell completely.
Still taking a tsp of FCLO. I'm considering decreasing it to maybe 3/4 or 1/2 tsp.
Still taking 50 mg Lugol's iodine daily.
I started putting 3 drops of Blue Ocean Minerals in each gallon of water, in addition to the pinch of salt. The 3 drops of BOM adds about 12 mg magnesium to each gallon of water.
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I was reading up on the book "Enzyme Nutrition" by Dr. Edward Howell and he actually talks about raw meat dishes around the world. And especially mentions the Inuit. He describes their "high" meat and fish as being broken down by enzymes saving the body enzymes that would be needed to digest it.
He also mentions raw honey and its high enzyme content. Very good information.
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I've continued reading Dr. Howell's book. He explains how soaking seeds decreases enzyme inhibitors significantly, and within 24 hours completely removed enzyme inhibitors. He also explains germination increases the enzyme activity.
I started soaking my seeds. I'm considering making high meat. But I feel the dry aging I do is sufficient for starting the pre digestion process.
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I decided to start experimenting with Methyl-Folate. It's a form of folic acid that is actively used by the body, and even crosses the blood brain barrier.
"There are no recognized “distinctive nutritional requirements” for depressed patients, but based on neurochemistry, it makes sense that folate might help. How? Well, folate is first converted into dihydrofolate (DHF), and then into L-methylfolate (Deplin). L-methylfolate is the “active” form of folate in the brain; it helps to form tetrahydrobiopterin (BH4), a crucial cofactor in the synthesis of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine. In theory then (even though this has not been proven), low levels of folate could cause neurotransmitter deficiencies, which could then be corrected by L-methylfolate supplementation. Because L-methylfolate is involved in the synthesis of three monoamines, Dr. Stephen Stahl has dubbed Deplin a “trimonoamine modulator” (Stahl SM, CNS Spectrums 2007;12(10):739–744)."
- http://www.thecarlatreport.com/index.php?q=free_articles/deplin-it-just-folate-another-name-free-article (http://www.thecarlatreport.com/index.php?q=free_articles/deplin-it-just-folate-another-name-free-article)
Here's a good article explaining the conversion process needed to make the active form of folate (methyl folate).
http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/08/folate-beginning.html (http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/08/folate-beginning.html)
I'm looking into whether I'll get a prescription depending on how much it costs. A prescription would probably be pretty expensive since I don't think insurance covers it.
I'm thinking of buying the 5 mg (90 caps) from this company - http://www.metabolicmaintenance.com/category/cognitive_support (http://www.metabolicmaintenance.com/category/cognitive_support)
That's probably the best price and supplies a good amount. The supplements I've seen in Vitamin Shoppe, Whole Foods, etc. are typically only 400 mcg (some times 800).
The Methyl Folate is actually something a previous psychiatrist recommended and also something my primary care physician suggested.
For now I'm taking about 2,000 mcg daily till I get one with a higher potency.
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I'm considering making high meat. But I feel the dry aging I do is sufficient for starting the pre digestion process.
there's something different between he two. my body does very well with aged, but not so well with high meat.
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there's something different between he two. my body does very well with aged, but not so well with high meat.
I've gotten diarrhea from high meat. I do well on aged meat too. I age all of my meat and prefer it after it's been there a while rather than fresh.
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Talk about a missing piece of the puzzle! Methylation and folic acid/methyl folate.
A large percentage of the population doesn't have the ability to convert folic acid (its basic form) into methyl folate (its active form) that the brain and body uses.
The active form plays a big role in methylation, which plays a big role in schizophrenia.
"What is histamine and why is it so important? Carl Pfeiffer studied more than 20,000 people with schizophrenia and determined that 90% of them fell into three bio-chemical subgroups: high histamine, low histamine, and pyrroluria - hence the term “The Schizophrenias” (Pfeiffer, 1970; Walsh, 1997b). Histamine is a reflection of neurotransmitter availability. Histamine is integral in balancing the electrical activity of the nucleus accumbens, which is an area of the brain responsible for behavioral responses, filtering incoming sensory information, and communicating with the hypothalamus, ventral tegmentum, and amygdala (Shoblock & O’Donnell, 2000; Otake & Nakamura, 2000; Chronister et al, 1982). A plethora of research has determined that people with schizophrenia have poor ability to filter incoming sensory information. It has also been reported that 15-20 % of people with schizophrenia have high whole blood histamine levels and another 30-40 % of people with schizophrenia have low whole blood histamine levels (Heleniak, 1999; Pfeiffer, 1988; Heleniak, 1985; Chronister & DeFrance, 1982; Rauscher et al, 1977; Pfeiffer, 1972a).
A person with schizophrenia who has high histamine is under-methylated (Walsh, PTC- Ref. B; Heleniak & Frechen, 1989). A person with schizophrenia who has low histamine is over-methylated (Walsh, PTC- Ref. B; Heleniak & Frechen, 1989). Taking detailed patient histories is key (Jackson et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Pfeiffer, 1988; Walsh, PTC - Ref B). People with high histamine have been found with typical symptoms of high intelligence, thought blanking, low grade hallucinations, and thought disorder, perfectionism, competititiveness, obsessions, compulsions, suicidal and seasonal depression, defiance, and phobia.
High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins.
People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. (Jackson et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. B).
Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy-metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. B) "
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/nutritionschizophrenia.htm (http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/nutritionschizophrenia.htm)
Here's a good website with info on the genetic trait that limits folic acid conversion into its active form. There's a test that checks for the genetic trait that limits folic acid conversion into its active form that may be covered by insurance.
http://mthfr.net/ (http://mthfr.net/)
I just ordered a supplement of 10 mg Methyl Folate - http://www.methyl-life.com/methylfolate-10.html (http://www.methyl-life.com/methylfolate-10.html) - This website also has good info on methyl folate.
I've been taking 800 mcg 3x daily, plus about 1000 mcg daily from my b complex and multivitamin. Today I'm upping it to 1,200 mcg 3x daily, then probably 1,600 mcg 3x daily till the 10 mg supplement comes.
I've noticed I'm feeling more of an overall sense of well being. I sleep much better, have more energy, and am overall more productive. I'm also exercising more, after upping my dose I have more of a drive to go out and get sweating.
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So far I'm taking 2,800 mcg methyl folate 3x daily plus about 1,000 mcg from my b complex and MV.
Part 2 of 4: Dr Neil Rawlins - MTHFR - Sept 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3RXJ28I2Q#) - talks about methyl folate and heavy metals. It also explains that it boosts glutathione production which may be implicated in schizophrenia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16410648 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16410648) - explains that schizophrenics can have reduced brain glutathione levels which increase oxidative damage.
http://www.methyl-life.com/a-doctor-explains.html (http://www.methyl-life.com/a-doctor-explains.html) - shows that the gene mutation inhibiting folate conversion into methyl folate is very common in schizophrenics.
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http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/2/204.full (http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/2/204.full)
"Vitamin K distribution in brain
Reports published in the past 2 decades confirmed the presence of vitamin K in the brain. However, although in the majority of extrahepatic tissues, vitamin K is present as phylloquinone (K1) and MK-4, vitamin K in the brain occurs predominantly as MK-4 (6, 7). When investigated in 6- and 21-mo-old rats, MK-4 was found to represent >98% of total vitamin K in the brain, irrespective of age (8, 9). In a detailed assessment of the anatomic distribution of vitamin K, MK-4 was present in all brain regions, although concentrations differed according to regions. Specifically, MK-4 was observed in highest concentrations in the midbrain and pons medulla and in lowest concentrations in the cerebellum, olfactory bulb, thalamus, hippocampus, and striatum (8).
Concentrations of MK-4 in the brain have also been shown to be affected by sex and age. In a study conducted in Brown Norway rats, MK-4 levels in the cortex and cerebellum were higher in female than in male rats despite similar diets, and concentrations decreased between 12 and 24 mo of age (7). Vitamin K concentrations in the brain are also influenced by diet in a manner that reflects intake. When investigated in female Sprague-Dawley rats that had been fed diets containing low (80 ?g/kg diet), adequate (500 ?g/kg diet), or high (2000 ?g/kg diet) amounts of phylloquinone for 5 mo, MK-4 tissue concentrations from the high phylloquinone-containing diet rats were on average 8 and 3 times higher than those for the low and adequate phylloquinone-containing diet rats, respectively (8)."
"Other actions of vitamin K in the brain
In addition to the literature relative to the VKDPs discussed previously, there is evidence to suggest that the K vitamers have actions of their own. Whether these actions have any relationship to sphingolipid metabolism remains to be determined. In a report by Tsang et al. (54), both phylloquinone and MK-4 were shown to promote neurite outgrowth on PC12D cells in the presence of nerve growth factor, an action mediated by the protein kinase A and MAPK signaling pathways. Furthermore, both K vitamers led to an increase in nerve growth factor–induced acetylcholinesterase activity. These results are in line with those of a previous study in which phylloquinone and MK-4 vitamers were observed to promote survival of different neuronal cell types (cortex, hippocampus, striatum) during the later stages of embyogenesis. Furthermore, treating the culture systems with warfarin had no effect on the survival-promoting effects of vitamin K (55). Recently, MK-4 and, to a lesser extent, phylloquinone were shown to prevent glutathione depletion–mediated oxidative injury as defined by free radical accumulation and cell death, in primary cultures of oligodendrocyte precursors and immature fetal cortical neurons (56). Addition of warfarin to the cell cultures had no effect on the protective effect of vitamin K, suggesting that this action of MK-4 was independent of the VKDPs. In a more recent report, this group provided evidence that the protective effect of MK-4 against oxidative cell death was, at least in part, through inhibition of enzyme 12-lipoxygenase (57). Finally, the neuroprotective effect of MK-4 was recently confirmed in the model of methylmercury-induced cell death, an experimental model associated with a significant decrease in intracellular glutathione (58). In this study, as in the one by Li et al. (56), the beneficial effect of MK-4 was not associated with the restoration of intracellular glutathione nor did it involve obvious direct antioxidant activity by the vitamer. "
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Good find, DaBoss. One more reason to eat vitamin K-rich foods.
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Good find, DaBoss. One more reason to eat vitamin K-rich foods.
Thanks. I'm always finding good info.
So I got tested for the MTHFR genetic mutation today. I should have the results in about a week.
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Here's a PDF giving the details of how methylfolate is needed for the proper production of neurotransmitters.
I've been taking 10 mg of MethylFolate (Quatrefolic) for the last 3 or so days. I started at a low dose and worked my way up because it can cause detox symptoms. So far so good. I'm still on 10 mg of geodon. I'm scheduled to see my psychiatrist in the next couple weeks. I also should see my primary care physician for the test results on the MTHFR. I'm thinking once I get to 3 months of the 10 mg, I'll stop completely with my doctor's supervision.
On another note, my primary care physician is aware I eat a raw diet. In my notes he wrote "patient eats a raw diet, he's been notified of the potential consequences - infection, death." lol
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On another note, my primary care physician is aware I eat a raw diet. In my notes he wrote "patient eats a raw diet, he's been notified of the potential consequences - infection, death." lol
Many thousands of Japanese doctors are lol'ing along with you at this idiot, and other idiots like him.
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It's been a long time since I make a detailed post here. My routine has changed drastically since I first started RPD, and I've combined many alternative therapies/treatments. In this post I'll discuss the things I'm combing and their synergistic effect.
Diet
Each meal consists of 4 oz of meat (from beef, lamb, veal, etc.) and 2 oz of beef fat. I use Redmond's unrefined Real Salt and heavily salt all my food. This adds minerals and all sorts of good stuff. My blood pressure is always perfect despite (on average) consuming 2+ tsp of salt daily. Dr. Brownstein has lots of info on the benefits of unrefined salts. He's published books and written articles. Here's a link by Dr. Brownstein on unrefined salt - http://www.anh-europe.org/files/David_Brownstein_article_Caduceus_issue_79_Are_you_salt_deficient.pdf (http://www.anh-europe.org/files/David_Brownstein_article_Caduceus_issue_79_Are_you_salt_deficient.pdf) - I also eat 2-3 egg yolks daily. For carbs I eat several bananas and honey daily, and occasionally berries. I don't eat seafood, just land animals. My diet is still a raw version of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which strives to eliminate complex carbohydrates and ensure the foods consumed are easiest to digest. I also generally have some brain around and eat .5 oz most days.
Orthomolecular Medicine
Like I said, I've combined many alternative therapies. I'll start by discussing the iodine protocol.
The Iodine Protocol
This is a protocol that was made by Dr. Brownstein. Essentially the purpose of it is to displace halogens in the body, and replace them with natural chlorides (from unrefined salt) and iodine. Halogens are everywhere, especially in America. The water is fluoridated and chlorinated, bakery products are brominated, and a lot of non-organic produce uses halogens. Combined with the lack of iodine in the modern diet, it makes for a nasty situation where the body becomes iodine deficient.
I started with 2.5-10 mg of iodine from Lugol's 2% solution, and have since worked my way up to 50-60 mg daily. I have also eliminated most sources of unwanted halogens. I use a shower filter which eliminates 95%+ chlorine and other additives and I distill my water (then add in a pinch of Real Salt and 4 drops of Blue Ocean Minerals). I consume 2+ tsp of Real Salt daily which helps eliminate bromine.
Here are some articles on the iodine protocol, and iodine in general.
http://www.hacres.com/pdf/documents/research-Advances_in_Iodine_Nutrition.pdf (http://www.hacres.com/pdf/documents/research-Advances_in_Iodine_Nutrition.pdf)
http://www.jpands.org/vol11no4/millerd.pdf (http://www.jpands.org/vol11no4/millerd.pdf)
Something else I've been taking to help the process is Vitamin K2. In my research I've seen that calcium, fluoride, and various other things can lodge in places where they cause harm like the brain. New research is showing that a lack of Vitamin K2 is what causes minerals to deposit where they're unwanted. At the same time having sufficient Vitamin K2 causes calcium and other minerals to deposit where they're needed, the bones. Vitamin K2 apparently also decreases the amount of bone turn over so you keep more of the bone you build. I've been taking Calcium hydroxyaptite with the K2. It's the best form of calcium out there.
Vitamin K2 also helps build various fats that are good for the brain.
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/10/1/24.pdf (http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/10/1/24.pdf)
http://naturalmedicinejournal.net/pdf/VitaminK.NMJNutraceuticalFINALwithtables.pdf (http://naturalmedicinejournal.net/pdf/VitaminK.NMJNutraceuticalFINALwithtables.pdf) - articles on Vitamin K2 and bones
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/2/204.full (http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/2/204.full) - article on Vitamin K2 and the brain
MTHFR and MethylFolate
I've recently started looking into the MTHFR gene mutation and methylfolate's roles in schizophrenia. I've find there's a lot of information suggesting there's a higher prevelance of the MTHFR gene mutation in schiozphrenics. Apparently when someone has the MTHFR genetic mutation their ability to convert folate into the form the brain/nervous system use (methylfolate) is limited. These can cause all sorts of problems.
Lack of methylfolate can decrease methylation which leads to toxin build up, low levels of neurotransmitters, and low levels of glutathione. There are a lot of bad things associated with low levels of methylfolate.
I've been taking 10 mg daily for the last 2-3 weeks. I noticed at first I was needing a little more sleep and I was overall experiencing slight detox symptoms. But at the same time I noticed I was functioning better, and could apply myself much more toward things I'm doing. After about a week the detox symptoms completely subsided and I started needing less sleep and overall had more energy.
Here's a link with a powerpoint by Dr. Benjamin Lynch (an experienced doctor on methylfolate and MTHFR) - http://www.seekinghealth.com/media/Improving-Patient-Outcomes-short-ver.pdf (http://www.seekinghealth.com/media/Improving-Patient-Outcomes-short-ver.pdf) - it covers some of the important functions of methylation
I've also been taking folinic acid and methylcobalamin B12 (sublingual) with my methylfolate (as well as a general b complex).
Niacin Therapy
This is perhaps the most important part of my routine. Dr. Hoffer was able to help treat schizophrenia with large doses of niacin. I can personally say it's very effective. I take 1,000 mg of niacin 3x daily (with the b complex and vitamin c recommended to go with it). Since starting that dose I've been able to live a fully functional, productive life.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/review_hoffer_B3.html (http://www.doctoryourself.com/review_hoffer_B3.html) - Article on schizophrenia and niacin
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Schizophrenia-Complementary-Vitamin-Treatments/dp/1897025084 (http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Schizophrenia-Complementary-Vitamin-Treatments/dp/1897025084) - "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments," by Dr. Hoffer. A must have for anyone looking to treat schizophrenia. He also has other books that are worth picking up too, but this one is a good starting place.
I take 50 mg of b complex that has the active forms of folate and b12 with each dose of niacin, as well as 1,000 mg vitamin C.
A list of the supplements I take
Niacin - 1,000 mg 3x daily
Vitamin C - 1,000 mg 3x daily
MethylFolate (Quatrefolic) - 10 mg once daily
Folinic Acid - 400 mcg 2-3x daily
B6 P5P - 25 mg 2x daily
B12 Methylcobalamin - 500 mcg sublingual 1x daily
B Complex - 50 mg 3x daily (from GI Pro Health, has active forms of b vitamins)
Vitamin K2 - 5 mg 3x daily
Calcium Hydroxyapatite - 1,400 mg daily (1,000 mg from calcium, 400 from phosphate)
Vitamin D3 - 1,000 IU 3x daily
Magnesium Glycinate - 100 mg 3x daily
Magnesium Taurate - 125 mg 2x daily
Manganese Glycinate - 8 mg 3x daily
Zinc Glycinate - 11 mg once daily
Selenium (selenomethionine) - 50-100 mcg once daily
Multivitamin - 1/6 of the recommended daily dose (from GI Pro Health, has active forms of vitamins)
Blue Ocean Minerals - 1 tsp daily
Fermented Cod Liver Oil - 1 tsp daily
I really feel like I've combined so many therapies that it's hard to pick just one and say it does just one thing. For example the Vitamin K2 helps build bones, which is good since I'm trying to resolve some dental issues. At the same time Vitamin K2 helps take calcium out from where it doesn't belong, while helping make fats the brain needs.
The iodine protocol helps eliminate halides, but at the same time many parts of the body benefit from having optimal iodine levels.
The magnesium helps build bones, but at the same time it provides a calming effect which is good for mental health. In short a lot of these alternative therapies overlap and provide lots of benefits.
I'm doing very well physically. Mentally I'm incredibly functional, more so than a lot of non schizophrenics.
I'm still waiting to get the results for the MTHFR test.
I see my psychiatrist today. I've been on the 10 mg dose of geodon since October 25th (about 8 weeks). I was on 20 mg for 6 months before that. And many years ago before any alternative therapies, I was on 120 mg (plus 1,500 mg of depakote). Since I've been on the 10 mg dose (which is half a pill) for about 2 months, I'm thinking of giving it another month or two at 10 mg then stopping it completely or possibly trying a 1/4 of a pill for a few weeks/months.
EDIT: I've also been making "sole" with my salt. Rather than put a 1/2 tsp in my water and drink, I put 1 tbls (1 tbls = 3 tsp) Real Salt into a mason jar and enough water to make a total of 6 cups, then I drink half a cup when I want a 1/2 tsp salt and follow it with regular water.
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Bleh! I've been feeling like poo the last few days. A few lab tests ago my Vitamin K1 levels were low, and I ignored it because I've seen that it's K2 that's really important. But I decided to try eating some spinach recently to get some K1, since I still think it's important to get. A little before that I was feeling pretty drained, but it really hit me when I added in the spinach. I'm thinking Vitamin K1 and K2 are both needed do de-calcify soft tissues and remineralize bones.
I've cut back on a few of the supplements to see which one is producing the detox symptoms. I was taking 10 mg methylfolate, and cut back to 2.5 mg. I was taking 400 mcg folinic acid, and cut back to 200 mcg. I cut my 50 mg b complex pills in half, instead of taking 2 a day, I'm taking half with each meal. I also significantly reduced my iodine consumption. I was taking 50 mg daily, and cut back to 35 mg 2 days ago, 10 mg yesterday, and today am doing 2.5 mg. Yesterday I still felt pretty cruddy.
I've read that folinic acid can lead to feeling pretty bad in certain situations. So I'm betting on that being part of the problem. Also since folinic acid isn't implicated in the MTHFR genetic mutation (it's only the conversion of folinic acid to methylfolate that's hindered, folinic acid is produced fine), and I get plenty of folate from the foods I eat, I'm thinking it may be unnecessary to take it. I'll continue with 200 mcg of folinic acid for now and potentially discontinue it completely. From there I'll work on the iodine and methylfolate.
I started getting more fat from the farm. From now until the farm has less, I'll be eating 3.5 oz per meal of beef fat. That's a whopping 662 calories per meal, or 1,985 calories per day from just the fat. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3203/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3203/2) - I'm pretty happy about that. Generally in the spring/summer they have less fat since the cows are leaner. During spring/summer I was eating about 1.5-2 oz daily. Right now the fat is more of a white color, in the spring it's generally a very dark yellow/orange. I also increased my protein/meat consumption to 4.5 oz of each cut (beef, veal, lamb, etc.) and a little bit of organs.
I also started eating beef heart. I'm thinking of ordering beef heart, brain, liver and kidney and eating maybe .25 oz to .5 oz of each daily to get some organs. I'm really enjoying the beef heart. Yesterday I ate .5 oz and today I had 1 oz.
I talked with my psychiatrist a couple weeks ago and we've agreed that after the holiday season I'll drop to 5 mg daily (around mid January 2014). He told me 5 mg is less than the dose that would be given to a neonatal patient, and that if I wanted to I could completely cut it out once I hit 3 months of the 10 mg dose and I'd be unlikely to have any withdrawal type symptoms. Still, I want to be as safe as possible and take precautions. I may do 2-3 months of the 5 mg dose, then discontinue it completely.
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I'm eating a lot of beef fat right now and I thought it would be a perfect opportunity to start getting more fat from other sources too. Today I added in an ounce of coconut meat, I'm starting with an ounce just to see how I do with that small amount. I plan to later increase to maybe 40+ grams daily, which would give me 12+ grams of fat plus some fiber - http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3106/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3106/2) . I may eat even more, because that math is based on one coconut a week and I think I can eat much more coconut than that. I also plan to add a small avocado once weekly.
I'm cutting out the folinic acid today and seeing how I do while continuing on the 2.5 mg methylfolate, 25 mg b complex twice daily (50 mg pill cut in half), and 2.5 mg iodine. After seeing how I do without the folinic acid today, I likely will try upping the iodine to 5 mg. After seeing how that goes getting to maybe 10 mg iodine, staying on 10 mg, and then seeing how I should dose the methylfolate.
Next order I plan to get 1 lb of liver, heart, kidney, and brain. I'll eat .5 oz of each for breakfast, which means they'll last a pretty long while. Ideally I'd like to put a little bit of maybe the liver and heart to ferment since I don't think I'll be able to dry age it for that long without it getting smelly.
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Since cutting out the folinic acid I've been doing much better. I've been needing less sleep and I have more energy to do stuff through out the day. I've increased the iodine each day. Yesterday I took 7.5 mg, today I'm doing 10 mg. I've been doing 2.5 mg methylfolate daily. I've also continued with half a b complex pill twice daily. I'm not sure whether I'll continue increasing the iodine dose, or try increasing the methylfolate from here.
I've been eating more and more fat. Today I ate 50 grams of coconut meat, and I'm still eating 3 meals with 3.5 oz of beef fat each. I'm thinking of picking up a tiny avocado and eating that.
I added in an acidopholous supplement from GI Pro Health a few days ago. It's something I was taking pre-RPD when I was on the SCD. Elaine Gotschall (the founder of the SCD) says it's supposed to be good for schizophrenia.
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I just started taking the active form of B2, ribolfavin 5 phosphate. So now I'm taking all the active forms of the B vitamins - B2, B6, folate, and B12. I took my first B2 pill, and I think the dose may be a little high (experienced slight detox). It has 36 mg per pill, roughly 2,000% of the DV. I'll start breaking the pills in four starting tomorrow.
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I found some good info on the MTHFR gene mutation and Vitamin B2 - http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/riboflavin/ (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/riboflavin/)
Apparently the active forms of the B vitamins help methylation.
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Web page with lots of info on calcification of soft tissue (with pics), a symptom of the Vitamin K2 pathway not working properly.
http://www.rad.washington.edu/academics/academic-sections/msk/teaching-materials/online-musculoskeletal-radiology-book/soft-tissue-calcifications (http://www.rad.washington.edu/academics/academic-sections/msk/teaching-materials/online-musculoskeletal-radiology-book/soft-tissue-calcifications)
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I just started taking the active form of B2, ribolfavin 5 phosphate. So now I'm taking all the active forms of the B vitamins - B2, B6, folate, and B12.
I recently started taking B2 also, so I am also taking all those now, coincidentally. I haven't noticed anything yet from these vitamins, like I did with P5P, high quality zinc, potassium, magnesium and resistant starch. Maybe I'm not taking high enough doses of them yet. What doses are you taking? I'm currently taking the doses recommended on the labels. I didn't get any of the detox symptoms that some folks warned about, which is not surprising given my low-toxin mostly-raw ancestral-type diet and intake of anti-toxins like P5P, resistant starch and raw fermented honey.
I'm hoping that the B2 will help me further reduce the inflammation, lower lip chapping, flaky skin, muscle cramps and other symptoms I get from some carby raw Paleo foods and with luck enable me to expand my Paleo food options. Some fruit-lovers didn't believe me when I reported this. Thanks again for providing me with a plausible explanation in the MTHFR enzyme mutation (in addition to the warrior-warrior SNP and "pyroluria" syndrome that I already knew I had).
I shall watch your progress with interest and root for your success.
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I recently started taking B2 also, so I am also taking all those now, coincidentally. I haven't noticed anything yet from these vitamins, like I did with P5P, high quality zinc, potassium, magnesium and resistant starch. Maybe I'm not taking high enough doses of them yet.
Out of curiosity what zinc, potassium and magnesium are you using?
What doses are you taking?
I'm actually decreasing my B vitamin consumption except for niacin. I'm taking half a pill twice daily of my B complex (from GI Pro Health), which is 25 mg each dose. 10 mg methylfolate pill broken into 4 doses, one daily. 25 mg P5P once daily. And a 36.5 mg riboflavin-5 phosphate divided into 4 pills once daily, so about 9 mg. I'm still taking 1,000 mg niacin 3x daily.
I decreased them because I was getting detox from the folinic acid. Since eliminating the folinic acid I've been much better. But I still notice that the 10 mg methyfolate dose is to much for me. Dr. Lynch also says that those high doses are generally unnecessary, and can produce harsh detox symptoms. I'm taking it easy with the active forms of the B vitamins (B2, B6, folate, B12) because I rather er on the side of caution than trigger detox symptoms.
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Zinc: Solaray Optizinc and liquid ionic zinc, and I have been trying zinc carnosine lately.
Potassium: potassium citrate
Mg: Natural Calm (often mixed with lemon or lime juice and water) and epsom salt baths
Luckily I've had no detox symptoms. I also got no detox symptoms from chaga tea (just a feeling of well being), which is extremely high in antioxidants, and it tasted great to me, whereas my sister got bad throat dryness and other symptoms from it and it tasted awful to her. My brother-in-law (who gave me some of the tea to try) also does not get detox symptoms from it and also loves the taste. It eliminated his diverticulitis symptoms.
I did get some very mild detox symptoms--stinging and dryness--when I applied red and white clays to my scalp and face. The stinging diminished to nearly nothing now, and now the clay mostly just feels good. It's interesting that the worst stinging was on the front of my scalp, where my balding is the worst, and an area of sun-damaged skin. That doesn't surprise me that much, though it did drive home for me the reality of detox.
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I increased my calcium consumption yesterday. I started taking 500 mg calcium and 200 mg phosphorous 3x daily from the NOW brand calcium hydroxyapatite supplement I use. I was taking 500 mg calcium and 200 mg phosphorous 2x daily before.
I'm thinking that I'm getting enough vitamin K1 and K2, fat soluble vitamins, magnesium and other minerals that my body's ability to put minerals in the bones should be functioning well. So I'm experimenting with more calcium and phosphorus for now.
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Coconut meat, coconut meat everywhere! Lol I bought 4 big coconuts and got ALL the coconut meat out. I now have 3 big wide mouth mason jars full of coconut meat - 1,300+ grams. I'll be eating 3 oz daily with breakfast.
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I got my results back for the MTHFR genetic mutations. I have two copies of the mutation A1298C, or as the results say, "A1298C/A1298C." I'll be looking into it to see of what significance it is.
From - http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask425 (http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask425)
"People talk about them because they sometimes (but not always) can cause problems. For example, having one or both of them can put you at a higher risk for heart problems or having a child with birth defects. You could also be at a slightly increased risk for nerve defects and even schizophrenia."
The two copies means I got one from each parent.
http://mthfr.webs.com/ (http://mthfr.webs.com/)
Possible signs associated with A1298C MTHFR Mutations
elevated ammonia levels
decreased dopamine
decrease serotonin
decreased epinephrine and norepinephrine
decreased nitric oxide
elevated blood pressure
muscle tenderness
ulcers
pre-eclampsia
The doctor suggested increasing my dose of methylfolate. I've been taking 2.5 mg, and I'm considering increasing it to 5 mg and seeing how that goes.
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I'm increasing my dose of methylfolate today. I took 2.5 mg with breakfast and I'm going to take anther 3.3 mg with lunch. I've been taking 6 pills of the calclium hydroxyapatite (1,500 mg cal w/ 600 mg phos) daily. I'm consuming about 40 g spinach (for the Vitamin K1) daily with 3 oz of coconut meat to enhance absorption (fat soluble vitamin), while continuing with 5 mg Vitamin K2 w/ each meal (2 oz beef fat). Iodine has been 20 mg daily. Still consuming lots of Real Salt (2+ tsp daily). I've started eating some organs, I had 1 oz yesterday and 1 oz today, while taking half a tsp FCLO (200% DV Vitamin A). I also ordered seasonings from Pennzey's spices (SCD legal) in case I dislike the taste of certain organs.
I've been looking into the geodon more as I get closer to 3 months of 10 mg. I'm seeing that the amount given to pediatric patients is generally the same amount I'm taking now or more, never less.
http://www.drugs.com/dosage/ziprasidone.html (http://www.drugs.com/dosage/ziprasidone.html) - lists upwards of 10 mg, generally 20 mg and higher for pediatrics.
I've had doctors tell me that 40 mg was to low to have the effects it's supposed to have on someone of my age/size. I'm considering discontinuing the geodon altogether once I've hit the 3 month mark. According to my journal October 25th, 2013 is when I started the 10 mg, so January 25th I'm making plans to see my doctor and discontinue it.
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If you decide to take the Geodon, make sure you measure your blood glucose, as Geodon can raise BG (per www.geodon.com (http://www.geodon.com)). I haven't used the drug myself, and didn't know what it was, so out of curiosity I googled it and the first hit mentioned that.
Have you noticed any benefits from the methylfolate yet? Do you take methylcobalamin with it, which is supposedly "needed to allow the methylfolate to do its job"? http://mthfr.net/methylfolate-side-effects/2012/03/01/ (http://mthfr.net/methylfolate-side-effects/2012/03/01/)
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If you decide to take the Geodon, make sure you measure your blood glucose, as Geodon can raise BG (per www.geodon.com (http://www.geodon.com)). I haven't used the drug myself, and didn't know what it was, so out of curiosity I googled it and the first hit mentioned that.
Have you noticed any benefits from the methylfolate yet? Do you take methylcobalamin with it, which is supposedly "needed to allow the methylfolate to do its job"? http://mthfr.net/methylfolate-side-effects/2012/03/01/ (http://mthfr.net/methylfolate-side-effects/2012/03/01/)
I've been taking the geodon lol. My blood sugar is fine. I'm actually getting off it.
The methylfolate works pretty well. I definitely notice benefits. But I always do when I add something lol. And I do use methylcobalamin B12. My b complex and multivitamin both have it, and I also use a sublingual spray.
I just ate my first meal of seasoned food. I had .5 oz of brain, 4.5 oz lamb, and 2 oz beef fat. I used every season I ordered lol - oregano, basil, onion and more. It really made the food taste good, and kind of makes me feel more human. I'm not used to really enjoying what my food tastes like.
About my choice to use seasonings. I've been thinking about it, and I really disagree with instinctive nutrition. I don't believe animals eat what they eat based on taste, but rather on the tastes they've become accustomed to. I recently saw a documentary on farmers who switched their cows from feed lots to pastures. And the cows had no idea what they were doing in the fields.
They had to teach them how to eat grass, and they still had a lot of trouble because they weren't used to it. And I see that same behavior all over the place - cats not wanting raw meat, dog being accustomed to junk food too. I noticed I have a similar preference too.
All I wanted to eat was muscle meat, which I grew up eating. I didn't really like fish, which I rarely ate growing up. And organs are disgusting, which I literally don't remember eating even once growing up. So now I'm seasoning my food, and I can get it down - organs and all.
And I actually enjoy the food. Before I was wolfing it down, and I feel food is meant to be enjoyable as well as nourishing.
Another thing I've noticed is that every healing group - whether it's the specific carbohydrate diet yahoo group, GAPS diet yahoo group, iodine protocol yahoo group, or RPD forum all share one common ideology. All you need is specifically what our group focuses on for optimal health. This one healing protocol will resolve all your health problems.
On the SCD yahoo group I couldn't mention iodine or a raw diet without it being invalidated with the poorest evidence - as happens here. On the iodine yahoo group I couldn't mention a raw diet, SCD or even Vitamin K2 without it being deemed "unnecessary on the iodine protocol." And the same occurs here.
On the SCD yahoo group, I remember someone saying how Lugol's is toxic because WikiPedia cites that consuming a whole bottle of the 5% is toxic. Here the orthomolecular protocols are viewed as unnecessary (frequently).
So I do deviate from the norms here, as I deviate from the norms at all the healing websites. But that's because I accept there's more to health than one mode of healing.
A lot of times when a car isn't running properly, there's more than one thing wrong. Same is true for humans.
Sure HCA's, rancid nutrients, and the oxidized thing produced from them in the body are bad. But so are halogens, Vitamin K2 deficiency, low levels of fat soluble vitamins, not getting the active B vitamins, and much more.
I've had tremendous success with this approach and I mention it so others who perhaps have noticed similar things will know to be open minded when they don't get the results they want from any one healing protocol. Perhaps RPD, or the iodine protocol, or something else doesn't work. But that might just mean you need more than that one protocol. Had I not taken that approach and stuck to the dogmatic suggestions that members here encourage, I know my health today would not be what it is.
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True, true.
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True, true.
I just feel there's a lot of bad advice thrown around. If it's not members specifically promoting the exact things they're doing that's working for them. It's writing off all symptoms as detox. I think a sticky thread in the newbies area titled "Is It Actually Detox?" may be a good idea. (If you can't tell I've kept quiet for some time lol)
It could address the ever common "I'm having loose stools from my organic/green wise-publix beef," and the "I'm having a lot of trouble staying full, I'm eating 800 calories of lean meat daily while trying to avoid anything that's a plant," and the like. We've all seen memebrs legitimately write these off as "detox" and "needing less calories on a raw diet."
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(If you can't tell I've kept quiet for some time lol)
lol
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The seasonings have really helped me get the organs down. I've been putting them on everything and it all tastes really good. I just ordered brain, liver, kidney, and heart. I've been able to eat organs with every meal. I had 1 oz liver for breakfast, 1 oz kidney for lunch, and for dinner I'll have .5 oz heart. Yesterday I had some brain and liver. Best part is it all tastes good and I'm not forcing it down.
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I'm cutting back on the beef liver. I'm going to try some lamb liver which has a little less copper per ounce next order from Miller's.
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I've been taking the full dose of the b vitamins the last few days.
I'm taking 50 mg b complex twice daily, 10 mg methylfolate once daily, 25 mg P5P twice daily, 1000 mg niacin 3x daily, and 18 mg Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin-5 phosphate).
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I'm still taking the same amount of B Vitamins, except I've increased the amount of B2 (Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) to 36 mg daily, which is one full pill.
I also decreased my calcium intake to 1,000 mg daily, w/ 400 mg phosphorous.
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I tried oil pulling today. I rinsed my mouth with a tbls of coconut oil for maybe 5-10 minutes.
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I'm still doing the Vitamin K2 protocol. I'm not doing exactly what that link says, but I'm following the general idea. More fat soluble vitamins, electrolytes, etc.
Something most of those sites don't mention is ingesting adequate Vitamin K1 and Vitamin E. I recently started eating spinach to get more Vitamin K1, I eat about one ounce daily, and originally started with about 40 grams. I eat it with coconut meat to enhance absorption (fat soluble so absorbs better with fat). Each multivitamin pill has 67 mg Vitamin E (220% DV). I'm convinced for the Vitamin K protocol to work properly all the fat soluble vitamins need to be there in sufficient quantities.
I decreased my iodine consumption about the same time I increased my Vitamin E ingestion because I was experiencing some detox. I'm now taking in just 5 mg daily, when I was taking in 50 mg originally, and then decreased to 20 mg.
I ordered a 400 IU Vitamin E supplement, so I plan to up my dose of the multivitamin till I get it in the mail.
It's interesting because I'm adding in a lot of the stuff I was taking before starting a raw diet.
I continue eating organs daily. I've cut back a little bit. Instead of eating organs for every meal I now eat organs once or twice a day. I also take FCLO for Vitamin A and D.
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Tomorrow my Vitamin E arrives. I'm pretty excited to have all the fat soluble vitamins in sufficient amounts. K1, K2, E, D, A.
At the same time, I'll have all the active forms of the different B Vitamins. B2, B6, B9, and B12.
I plan to start working on other aspects of my life that can boost my health. Like sleep, exercise, and seeking enjoyable activities.
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Some of your doses seem high. Were they recommended?
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Some of your doses seem high. Were they recommended?
Which ones specifically are you saying are high. Depending who's looking at the dosages, all of them are high. Lol Literally, all.
Niacin - 5,000% 3x daily
B complex, in the same ball park
Vitamin C - 5,000%+ daily
Vitamin K2 - 6,000%+ 3x daily
Iodine - 1,000%+ daily
Salt - way more than the accepted healthy limits
The only ones I take moderate (low) doses of are zinc and selenium.
For the most part, they were recommended.
The niacin, b complex, and vitamin c were recommended by Dr. Hoffer in his book "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments."
The iodine and salt are recommended by Dr. Brownstein.
Japanese doctors use Vitamin K2 in doses 3x higher for osteoporosis.
The only thing is that all these alternative therapies are recommended alone, not all combined by most doctors. I've combined them.
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Which ones specifically are you saying are high. Depending who's looking at the dosages, all of them are high. Lol Literally, all.
Lol
If you want a completely different take on supplements (rather negative about them in the longer term), check out Todd Becker's blog http://gettingstronger.org (http://gettingstronger.org) . He makes an interesting case for using hormetic therapies to improve the body's own ability to synthesize nutrients. I do use some of the therapies, but I can't say that they've eliminated my need for supplements yet.
It may be wishful thinking, but I think that eating more resistant starch may be reducing my need for B vitamins, such as B6 (P5P form).
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Lol
If you want a completely different take on supplements (rather negative about them in the longer term), check out Todd Becker's blog http://gettingstronger.org (http://gettingstronger.org) . He makes an interesting case for using hormetic therapies to improve the body's own ability to synthesize nutrients. I do use some of the therapies, but I can't say that they've eliminated my need for supplements yet.
It may be wishful thinking, but I think that eating more resistant starch may be reducing my need for B vitamins, such as B6 (P5P form).
Thank you for the heads up. I'll look into it.
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I just took my first 400 IU/1,333% Vitamin E capsule with 3.5 oz of beef fat (muscle meat trimmings). I'm excited to see the effects it has. I really feel Vitamin E is one of the big nutrients in schizophrenia since the brain (and nervous system) is composed of so much fat, and from what I've read there's a big turn over of fatty acids in schizophrenics because of oxidation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131721/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131721/)
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Be careful with vitamin E supplementation. There was a study that showed an increase in all-cause mortality with vitamin E supplementation.
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Be careful with vitamin E supplementation. There was a study that showed an increase in all-cause mortality with vitamin E supplementation.
Please link the study/studies? I'll look at them, but I think it's likely I'll find they're studies like the ones in the "Don't Take Supplements" thread.
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Be careful with vitamin E supplementation. There was a study that showed an increase in all-cause mortality with vitamin E supplementation.
I looked into it. A lot of the studies used synthetic Vitamin E, or used Vitamin E without any other fat soluble vitamins. There were also studies done on smokers and people with heart disease where they found it to be ineffective.
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I took a lot of Vitamin E yesterday. I took 400 IU w/ each meal (3 meals), and another 400 w/ some coconut meat around bed time. I'm trying to increase my Vitamin E status faster than I would taking one pill a day. I'll likely continue with 400 IU per meal today and possibly tomorrow, then drop to a maintenance dose of 400 IU daily.
I start on 5 mg of Geodon tonight. I think I'll go for a month, maybe two, before stopping completely.
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I looked into it. A lot of the studies used synthetic Vitamin E, or used Vitamin E without any other fat soluble vitamins. There were also studies done on smokers and people with heart disease where they found it to be ineffective.
Yeah, but vitamin A and D don't have any such studies showing an increase in all-cause mortality.
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Which kind of Vitamin E are you taking?
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Yeah, but vitamin A and D don't have any such studies showing an increase in all-cause mortality.
There are actually studies showing Vitamin A increased mortality.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/04/16/vitamins.health/index.html?iref=mpstoryview (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/04/16/vitamins.health/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)
"The findings of our review show that if anything, people in trial groups given the antioxidants beta-carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E showed increased rates of mortality."
Odds are there were flaws with the studies though, ie. wrong forms of various vitamins, not using all fat soluble vitamins together, etc.
The studies showing Vitamin E are bad were flawed. Here's a good article.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss08/vitamine.html (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss08/vitamine.html)
Here's another good one.
http://wrightnewsletter.com/2011/10/24/truth-flawed-vitamin-e/ (http://wrightnewsletter.com/2011/10/24/truth-flawed-vitamin-e/)
"You see, instead of using one of the natural forms of vitamin E that’s been proven over and over again to be essential to maintaining good health, they went ahead and used a synthetic. And not just any synthetic–they used the worst kind you can get. The 400 IU these men were taking every day was all-rac-alpha-tocopheryl acetate, which is pretty much junk."
Again, there are examples of synthetic vs. natural forms of various vitamins where the synthetic is bad. Ie. Vitamin E, Vitamin K3, folic acid, etc.
Here are two more articles, in case the first two weren't enough.
http://drgeo.com/doctors-agree-on-vitamin-e-study-being-flawed (http://drgeo.com/doctors-agree-on-vitamin-e-study-being-flawed)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070923193622.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070923193622.htm)
All these articles came up when searching google with the key words "vitamin e study flawed."
Which kind of Vitamin E are you taking?
I'm using one from GI Pro Health.
http://www.giprohealth.com/purevitamine.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/purevitamine.aspx)
"Vitamin E with 30% mixed tocopherols.
Vitamin E is important for tissue repair, circulation and blood clotting, healthy nerves and muscles, and the proper functioning of all major organ systems. Vitamin E can also inhibit the oxidation of lipids and the formation of free radicals. Pure E is an all-natural, balanced, potent vitamin E supplement containing d-alpha tocopherol and 30 percent mixed tocopherols derived from highly refined soy oil that has had all traces of soy protein removed. This vitamin E supplement has been specifically formulated to be highly bioavailable and hypoallergenic to reduce the risk of allergic reaction. "
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Today I'm taking one 400 IU serving of Vitamin E, and continuing with 5 mg of Geodon at night.
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And you feel ok taking a derivative of Soy?
This one is derived from Sunflower oil although is only Alpha.
http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm (http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm)
It can be tough finding a Gamma without unwanted additives and not derived from Soy...
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And you feel ok taking a derivative of Soy?
This one is derived from Sunflower oil although is only Alpha.
http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm (http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm)
It can be tough finding a Gamma without unwanted additives and not derived from Soy...
Yes, I'm fine with it being extracted from soy. I know the company very well, and they specialize in hypoallergenic and SCD legal supplements which means they're very strict with allergens.
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Hey DaBoss, do you ever think you will consider stepping back on you vitamins and supplements? I am not asking to be challenging, I am just wondering if that is one of your long term goals? I have been wanting to congratulate you for being so diligent you have been with your supplements, diet and also self care. Its overwhelming to me to think that so many people out there are suffering needlessly with mental health issues because our society does not understand how intrinsically linked proper nutrition and mental wellness are......let alone what "proper nutrition" and "mental wellness" even entail. Anyway, your journal is really inspiring, thanks for keeping it up!
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Hey DaBoss, do you ever think you will consider stepping back on you vitamins and supplements? I am not asking to be challenging, I am just wondering if that is one of your long term goals? I have been wanting to congratulate you for being so diligent you have been with your supplements, diet and also self care. Its overwhelming to me to think that so many people out there are suffering needlessly with mental health issues because our society does not understand how intrinsically linked proper nutrition and mental wellness are......let alone what "proper nutrition" and "mental wellness" even entail. Anyway, your journal is really inspiring, thanks for keeping it up!
No, getting off supplements isn't one of my goals. The most important aspect of my routine is the supplements, especially the niacin therapy. I consider it more important than RPD. Before RPD I was doing very well just using supplements, even eating cooked SCD w/o special attention to other supplements, sleep, halogens, or anything else.
RPD is great in addition to my Orthomolecular routine. It limits heat created toxins, provides enzymes, more useable nutrition, and since it's from healthy animals less toxins in general and a balance between omega 3 and 6. But it's not a replacement for Orthomolecular medicine, especially in my case. The only legitimate information I've seen about remedying schizophrenia is from Dr. Hoffer using niacin therapy. Other things are great add ons to the niacin therapy, but they're not replacements, I've seen that first hand.
That being said. I plan to continue with the supplements. But who knows, maybe one day down the road I need less methyl-folate, or something else. I'd be willing to decrease it. I already modify my dose of iodine regularly because some times I think it's to much or to little, but not with the intention of stopping completely. It's not a goal because I don't view supplements as being horrible and damaging. The science doesn't show that. I don't consider supplements to be equivalent to drugs, so while I view getting off meds as important, I don't see a need to get off supplements.
Thanks for the encouragement and kind words.
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I don't see supplements as damaging either. I just think the body has an incredible ability to heal and rebalance itself and I consider that perhaps the imbalances that lead to schizophrenia are not totally irreversible if you are able to heal the physical and mental patterning that lead to its symptoms.
In my own experience, I take a similar supplement regime, although definitely at much smaller dosage, and have found it to be extremely helpful in addition to a diet of raw fats and meats, keeping my life extremely low on environmental stress, whether that be mentally, emotionally or physically and also doing a lot of repatterning of my mental and emotional reactions to situations using mindfulness and also psilocybin. It's hard for me to even think of a situation where I would lose my mind like in the past because my reality, in all aspects, is so far removed from what it used to be.
So perhaps I never really had "schizophrenia" or my body overcame the way it was utilizing nutrients, or, or, or...I am not sure. I don't think, at this point, I would choose to stop taking supplements either though, but I also consider that that is a choice based on fear of the past. At this point I would definitely be more concerned with running out of good fats, meats and clean water than not being able to take supplements .
Anyway, just wanted to add my experience to the mix, really glad to see your progress DaBoss, hope I got all my "then/than's" right.
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Anyway, just wanted to add my experience to the mix, really glad to see your progress DaBoss, hope I got all my "then/than's" right.
Lol I was really stressed when I wrote that (to Chris). I apologized afterward because I realized I said it in a demeaning way, when usually I mean it as a joke and to poke fun at TD.
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And you feel ok taking a derivative of Soy?
This one is derived from Sunflower oil although is only Alpha.
http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm (http://www.nowfoods.com/Sun-E-400-60-Softgels.htm)
It can be tough finding a Gamma without unwanted additives and not derived from Soy...
Here's a good response from Dr. Brownstein on this.
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Dr-Brownstein/Vitamin-E-and-Soy/2011/02/14/id/476772 (http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Dr-Brownstein/Vitamin-E-and-Soy/2011/02/14/id/476772)
"Question: You have recommended taking vitamin E with tocopherols, which contain soy. Yet you wrote a whole article against soy in your newsletter Natural Way to Health. Can you please explain?
Dr. Brownstein's Answer:
Many vitamin E supplements are derived from soy. In manufacturing vitamin E from soy, a multistep process removes soy proteins from the end product. The goitrogens in non-fermented soy foods (such as soy milk, cheese, formula, etc.), which I wrote about in the December 2008 issue of Natural Way to Health, are removed during the manufacturing process. These substances suppress thyroid function and cause goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland. Although the vitamin E product has to be labeled as derived from soy, there should be no traces of soy and no goitrogens in the final product."
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Really impressed reading your journal. You really have gone at it scientifically. Your postings are very articulate detailing your process. And the weaning off medication has been done so responsibly.
My boyfriend's brother has schizophrenia, and regularly has had to be hospitalized. Years ago when I met him, I had the thought of him trying raw meat and raw fat. I did not mention it to his family as I think they already see me as odd eating this way myself. I am grateful that they don't give me a hard time with it. In traveling to Ireland they even worked it into our schedule to stop at the local butchers. And every time I come to visit they receive my box from Miller's or Northstar bison.
Not sure what you do for a living. It would be great to see a psychiatrist work with you and utilize your experience to heal others they work with. Well done! I'll keep reading your updates. And I'm going to look for a ferrier file.
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Really impressed reading your journal. You really have gone at it scientifically. Your postings are very articulate detailing your process. And the weaning off medication has been done so responsibly.
Thank you.
My boyfriend's brother has schizophrenia, and regularly has had to be hospitalized. Years ago when I met him, I had the thought of him trying raw meat and raw fat. I did not mention it to his family as I think they already see me as odd eating this way myself.
FYI, the raw diet has been the least important in resolving schizophrenic symptoms for me. Before starting RPD, I ate a cooked paleo diet. Even before that, I ate a regular diet with the worst of the worst foods, and I did alright. The way I managed was using Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy.
So I was on niacin therapy eating a very bad diet, and I was still able to live a normal life. Eating a regular diet while using niacin therapy I reduced my dose of medication from 120 mg of geodon to 40 mg, and 1500 mg depakote to 500 mg. And the only reason we didn't go lower was because my doctor was nervous about going lower since he said it already wasn't enough to have the needed effect. That was before I even used a good b complex with the active forms of the b vitamins. I was literally just taking 1000 mg niacin and vitamin c, and 50 mg b complex 3x daily.
If you're interested in giving your boy friend's family a starting point for resolving his schizophrenia, Dr. Hoffer's book "Healing Schizophrenia: Vitamin & Drug Treatments" is a good place to start. That's where I first started and it was just what I needed. Dr. Hoffer has other books, but he's the expert on healing schizophrenia. I wouldn't even mention a raw diet, literally I'd only mention the Orthomolecular/supplement aspect of it. Most people are turned off by the thought of a raw diet. Mentioning a raw diet can make people not want to hear anything you have to say about nutrition and health.
Thanks again. :)
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I saw my psychiatrist yesterday and informed him I started taking 5 mg Sunday night. He's ok with it, and we made an appointment in 6 weeks. I'll discontinue the geodon in 6 weeks when I see him again.
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If you're interested in giving your boy friend's family a starting point for resolving his schizophrenia, Dr. Hoffer's book "Healing Schizophrenia: Vitamin & Drug Treatments" is a good place to start. That's where I first started and it was just what I needed. Dr. Hoffer has other books, but he's the expert on healing schizophrenia. I wouldn't even mention a raw diet, literally I'd only mention the Orthomolecular/supplement aspect of it. Most people are turned off by the thought of a raw diet. Mentioning a raw diet can make people not want to hear anything you have to say about nutrition and health.
Very good advice. Thanks.
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FYI: stopping some drugs abruptly can cause withrdawal effects. Geodon is reportedly one of them, if you weren't already aware.
Talk to your doctor before you stop taking Geodon; you should not stop taking Geodon abruptly. You can reduce Geodon withdrawal symptoms by slowly tapering off of this medication. http://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/geodon-ziprasidone.html (http://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/geodon-ziprasidone.html)
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PaleoPhil have you even read DaBoss's journal?
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FYI: stopping some drugs abruptly can cause withrdawal effects. Geodon is reportedly one of them, if you weren't already aware.
PaleoPhil have you even read DaBoss's journal?
Lol right? It's not like I haven't been posting for the last year+ how I've slowly tapered from 80 mg to the 5 mg I'm on now.
I spent 6 months on 20 mg, 3 months on 10 mg, and I plan to do at least 6 weeks on 5 mg. That's a pretty slow taper.
You really do make it seem like you haven't looked at my journal, PP.
If you decide to take the Geodon, make sure you measure your blood glucose, as Geodon can raise BG (per www.geodon.com (http://www.geodon.com)). I haven't used the drug myself, and didn't know what it was, so out of curiosity I googled it and the first hit mentioned that.
You posted that when I mentioned I was tapering it to 5 mg and I had already been on it for a while.
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I either missed or forgot the 5 mg bit, sorry. I guess I don't have to warn you now that I am forgetful. -[ It seems like the forgetfulness got worse after some time on VLC too, though it's hard to say for sure. My sister also reported forgetfulness on VLC. Good short-term memory also supposed to be an explanation for good dream recall. I haven't been very good about getting enough resistant starch and B6 recently and I noticed that my dream recall dropped off again.
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I either missed or forgot the 5 mg bit, sorry. I guess I don't have to warn you now that I am forgetful. -[ It seems like the forgetfulness got worse after some time on VLC too, though it's hard to say for sure. My sister also reported forgetfulness on VLC. Good short-term memory also supposed to be an explanation for good dream recall. I haven't been very good about getting enough resistant starch and B6 recently and I noticed that my dream recall dropped off again.
Hmm sorry to hear that Phil, didn't meant to sound rude.
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I also didn't mean to sound rude, PP.
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That's OK folks, it was indeed pretty funny. For years I've identified with the character Forgetful on Sesame Street. ;D
Maybe I'll get lucky and resistant starch will bring some of my S-T memory and mental clarity back.
I thought I was listening to my body and didn't connect the problem to VLC early on, because I had memory problems and mental fog before VLC, and it helped greatly at first, but I realized how much of a connection there probably was last week when I skipped a day of potato starch (it supposedly helps to skip a day now and then) and had already been taking less B6 (because the RS seemed to be helping), but that combo was going too far and I was in a fog for much of Thursday (including forgetting to start taking the PS again) and I forgot what day it was. I also got a couple bits of shocking news that threw me for a loop (such as that lots of folks are being seriously harmed by VLC that's low in RS). I unintentionally missed work Friday because I thought it was Saturday and the idea stuck and I didn't snap out of it until a friend told me what day it was on Saturday afternoon. LOL
This reminded me to start taking more potato starch and B6 again and the contrasting improvement drove home the importance to me again. It also motivated me to get set up as a new patient at a medical practice (talk about red tape) that does gut biome tests. Ironically, when something's working decently, it's easy to get complacent and not stick well enough to the program.
Like Brady the honey guy, in retrospect it seems that in the longer run VLC has been one of the worst things I've done to my health, although limited-budget SAD is up there. If I can recover quickly from VLC, then maybe it will turn out to have not been so bad. Either way, I hope my mistakes will be a warning to others, and I'm bound to make more. ;D
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Since adding in the Vitamin E, and therefore getting all the fat soluble vitamins, I've practically stopped taking any iodine. I might take less than 2.5 mg (1 drop) per gallon. I would get detox effects from anything more than that.
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I was putting one drop in each gallon I put into my 2.5 gallon container. I stopped doing that 2 gallons ago, and today I put one drop of the 2% (2.5 mg) and diluted it so I could put 1/5th of a drop in each gallon of water. So I'm getting 500 mcg daily for now.
The RDA is 150 mcg for people over 19. http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-HealthProfessional/ (http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-HealthProfessional/)
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I started experimenting with glycine.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/treatments.php#glycine (http://www.schizophrenia.com/treatments.php#glycine)
It's supposed to help. I'm not sure if I'll get up to the 30 grams they recommend daily. But I'm taking one 500 mg pill 1-3 times each day for now.
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I found a good glycine supplement from Now Foods which has 1,000 mg per serving, 454 servings per bottle.
http://www.nowfoods.com/Glycine-Free-Form-Vegetarian-1lb.htm (http://www.nowfoods.com/Glycine-Free-Form-Vegetarian-1lb.htm)
That makes it much easier to increase my dose if I want to try the higher doses recommended.
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Gelatin is pretty high in glycine. I wish I knew what measurements the "Amino Acid Analysis" was in though:
http://www.iherb.com/Great-Lakes-Gelatin-Co-Beef-Gelatin-Collagen-Joint-Care-Unflavored-16-oz-454-g/52775 (http://www.iherb.com/Great-Lakes-Gelatin-Co-Beef-Gelatin-Collagen-Joint-Care-Unflavored-16-oz-454-g/52775)
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml (http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml)
WAPF probably has a ton of articles as well. Do you ever consider food source?? Do you think its wise to target specific animo acids and do you consider the imbalances that might arise from that?
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to try the supplements for now. Maybe later down the road I'll try something different. I think the supplement is a good place to start.
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I got my glycine today. I took 1,000 mg so far, and I'm likely to get up to maybe 5,000 mg daily in the next few days.
I'd like to mention this in my journal as an explanation for why there's such emphasis on supplements, and why I barely mention diet.
Before starting RPD, I ate a cooked paleo type diet. I was doing very well, and did very well for over 2 years. The whole time I was taking the important supplements that I take now. I was doing very well. Before eating a cooked paleo diet, I was eating the SADiet, and I was doing pretty well also. Everyone around me noticed a change in my mental status, and I was able to taper all my medications by 2/3 (1,500 mg depakote to 500 mg, and 120 mg geodon to 40 mg) while still eating a SADiet. I had doctors telling me they didn't think I was schizophrenic, who also told me the low dose of medication I was on wasn't enough to have the effect it's supposed to have.
When I started a raw diet, I stopped all my supplements and my health rapidly declined. I was readmitted into the hospital and had a full relapse of all my symptoms. After leaving the hospital, I continued trying to eat raw - with no relief to my symptoms for many months. After starting the supplements again my symptoms went away, and I went back to living a normal life.
RPD is a great diet when done properly - but it's not a cure for schizophrenia. Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy returns schizophrenics to normalcy, where they can live normal, productive lives. RPD didn't do that for me, orthomolecular medicine did. It made me well before I started a raw diet, and it's the reason I'm well today.
I came to the RPD forum/yahoo group to "upgrade" my cooked SCDiet. To make my diet raw, and better than what it was. I've done that, my diet is much, much better than what it was. But now I'm focusing on what has worked for me in the past, and what continues to work for me - orthomolecular medicine.
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RPD is a great diet when done properly - but it's not a cure for schizophrenia. Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy returns schizophrenics to normalcy, where they can live normal, productive lives. RPD didn't do that for me, orthomolecular medicine did. It made me well before I started a raw diet, and it's the reason I'm well today.
My cousin turned his life around from zero to full participation in the early days of orthomolecular psychiatry (1960s). Since then, I have seen that story repeated, and I have seen failures when people stopped their supplements thinking that they had been cured forever.
You have so much to offer when you are in your right mind, and I applaud your efforts at responsible self-care. Keep up the good work.
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My cousin turned his life around from zero to full participation in the early days of orthomolecular psychiatry (1960s). Since then, I have seen that story repeated, and I have seen failures when people stopped their supplements thinking that they had been cured forever.
You have so much to offer when you are in your right mind, and I applaud your efforts at responsible self-care. Keep up the good work.
Thank you ;D
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I'm increasing my iodine today from 500 mcg to 1 mg. I've also been taking a lot more glycine than I was expecting to take. I took about 5,000 mg yesterday.
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Seeing as there are different forms of fat soluble vitamins - various forms of Vitamin E, Vitamin A, Vitamin K, etc. I've started taking a Vitamin A supplement (10,000 IU/200% RDA) from Carlson labs that's derived from fish livers. It's 100% retinol. Since I've seen that FCLO is more palmitate, and some times has very little retinol, I decided to take the retinol supplement.
I've taken like 6 pills today. I've also taken maybe 10 grams of glycine.
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I've done a little browsing the web to see how much salt people consumed 50-200 years ago, since I feel the amount I've been consuming isn't enough.
Here's what I've found
http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/salt-and-our-health (http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/salt-and-our-health)
"HISTORICAL RATES OF SALT CONSUMPTION
It is of great interest that available data suggest Western societies consumed between three and 3.3 teaspoons (15-17 grams) of salt per day from the early 1800s until the end of World War II, based on military archives for prisoner-of-war and soldier rations around the world. During the Anglo-American War of 1812, despite its high cost, salt rations amounted to three teaspoons (15 grams) per day.37 American prisoners of war, incarcerated in Britain’s Dartmoor prison, bitterly complained that the 1.5 teaspoons (8 grams) of salt per day they received was part of “…scanty and meager diet for men brought up in the land of liberty, and ever used to feast on the luscious fruits of plenty…”38 Declassified World War II documents regarding rations fed to American prisoners of war show a ration of one hundred forty grams per week or 3.3 teaspoons (17 grams) per day.39
After World War II, when refrigeration began to displace salt as the main means of food preservation, salt consumption in the U.S. (and somewhat later in other countries) dropped dramatically to about half that rate, or nine grams (1.8 teaspoons) per day and, based on twenty-four hour urinary sodium data, has remained flat for the last fifty years.40 During that time, rates of hypertension have increased,41 thus casting doubt on any linkage between the two."
I'm going to start making sure from now on I consume at least 1.5-3 tsp daily. I'm likely to start at 1.5 tsp, and work up to 3 tsp.
(I'm using an unrefined salt - Redmond's Real Salt)
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Wow, 3 tsp of salt a day huh?
Maybe they did not have refrigeration at that time and only ate cooked meat?
Maybe you could start a thread on this salt consumption thing and we can all exchange experiment results.
And I assume you don't live beside the beach?
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Wow, 3 tsp of salt a day huh?
Maybe they did not have refrigeration at that time and only ate cooked meat?
Maybe you could start a thread on this salt consumption thing and we can all exchange experiment results.
And I assume you don't live beside the beach?
I was looking at the RDA, and I saw that I wasn't even getting the RDA. 1/4 tsp is 22% of the RDA for sodium, and I was getting maybe 3/4-1 tsp daily. So I'm making sure I get at least the 1.5 tsp daily.
http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/salt-and-our-health (http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/salt-and-our-health)
"The fundamental indicator of salt intake sufficiency points to 1.5 teaspoons (8 grams) of salt per day as the basic human requirement."
But it seems going up to about 3 tsp is fine.
"It is equally extraordinary that, without guidance or pressure of any kind, the consumption of salt around the world, for more than two centuries has remained in the range of 1.5 to three teaspoons (8-15 grams) per day, which, from all the available data, appears to hold the lowest risk for us. It lends support to the notion of the “wisdom of the body” at work through a mechanism that may not be as obvious as the typical sodium appetite so common in most other mammalian species, but effective nevertheless."
Yesterday I ingested 1.5+ tsp, but didn't quite get to 3.
They didn't have refrigeration, and they used the salt to preserve the meat. Still I think more salt is a good idea.
I'll make a thread in the WPF section.
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DaBoss, remind us of what kind of water you drink. Is it RO?
It honestly might be a good idea to have a decent salt intake for people drinking RO. Although I'd advocate for a large variety of salts from seaweeds, bone broth, certain plant foods and different varieties of salts, not just Redmonds. You will still get a ton of sodium, but also potassiums, iodine and a broader spectrum of different trace minerals. I also think those Concentrace drops have the potential to be really harmful, I don't think its proper to store salt water in plastic and pass that off as a supplement.
Also if it seems like I am insistent on whole foods instead of supplements, its totally not the case. I just think there are good sources of a lot of the nutrients that you supplement in whole foods form and perhaps there are those who could benefit from ingesting more of those nutrients who aren't exactly in need of large or specific doses. I also think whole foods "supplementing" is important because naturally you are going to get the many cofactors and a broader spectrum of nutrients.
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DaBoss, remind us of what kind of water you drink. Is it RO?
I drink distilled water - and then add in 4 drops of blue ocean minerals, a pinch of unrefined salt, and generally Lugol's iodine to each gallon.
I increased my iodine to 2 mg today.
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How long have you been drinking Distilled water?
I have been drinking RO as the majority of the water I drink for many years. When I am lucky enough to have pure spring water or clean river water I will drink that but over the years its been few and far between in comparison to how much RO I have consumed. By far, drinking spring water makes me feel so much more healthy and alive, it is as if every cell in my body is able to function better. I find myself less thirsty and often times less interested in salt. I am guessing this is due to the trace mineral content, but also that the water has not lost its natural ionization.
I think RO and Distilled deplete minerals from the body so you are wise to add them back to your water and then add more to your food if it makes you feel healthier.
I generally add something salty, dulse, kelp, or just a mixture of solar dried sea salts (celtic, French, Himalayan, Hawaiian..etc..) judging by which one tastes properly salty. Sometimes dulse is too "salty" tasting while sea salt is just right., sometimes all of those are horrible and I really want celery or cucumbers or....I am guessing this is because of the different mineral salts and using taste to tell which one I am more in need of. I have found that phantom hunger at the end of meals, or a lul in energy, can be allieviated by putting some salt on my tongue or eating a few pieces of dulse.
When I add sea salt I just take large pinches, probably adding a tsp to meals at times, sometimes I just rub it on meat and enjoy.
Right now my quenching drink of choice is hot water with a little milk and salt :)
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I've been drinking distilled water for several years.
I'm going to decrease my salt to just the RDA, so I'll try to get about 100% of the RDA and not go over to start. I'm also upping my iodine to 1 drop (2.5 mg).
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Today I'm trying 5 grams of glycine with each meal, 2.5 mg of iodine for the day, and 1.5 tsp salt plus the little bit I sprinkle on my food.
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The 5 grams of glycine with each meal is going well. The 1.5 tsp of salt plus what I put on food has gone well. I increased my iodine consumption today to 25 mg.
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I've been getting 1.5 tsp salt, plus what I put on food, plus an extra 1/4 tsp 2 or 3 times a day. I'm going to take 50 mg iodine today, and maybe increase to 10 g glycine per meal.
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The salt has been going well, I've been taking 1.5-3 tsp daily. I'm still taking 50 mg iodine daily, and I'm taking 10 grams of glycine with each meal.
I was looking into Vitamin C - http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html (http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html) - and I'm seeing that I likely haven't been getting the optimal amount. Today I'm increasing from 1,000 mg 3x per day, to 3,000 mg 3x per day. I may increase it after trying 3,000 mg 3x a day for a little bit.
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I've been taking 3,000 mg vitamin c 3x a day. Since I'm on such a low dose of geodon (5 mg) and it's supposed to decrease dopamine levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziprasidone#Schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziprasidone#Schizophrenia)
"Ziprasidone's efficacy in treating the positive symptoms of schizophrenia is believed to be mediated primarily via antagonism of the dopamine receptors,"
"Ziprasidone is effective in the treatment of schizophrenia, though evidence from the CATIE trials suggests it is less effective than olanzapine and of around equal effectiveness to quetiapine. Doses of around 120mg daily and higher are required.[2]"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19193337 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19193337)
"Synthesis of the monoamine neurotransmitters serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine is regulated by L-methylfolate, a derivate of the vitamin folate."
So I've decreased my dose of methylfolate to 5 mg (was 10 mg) - that way as the effect of the geodon's reducing dopamine decreases, the methylfolate won't cause a big increase in dopamine production.
I've been taking about 8 grams of glycine 3x daily, 50 mg iodine, 1.5-3 tsp salt, and I recently added in a chromium supplement.
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I've decreasing my magnesium from about 1,000 mg daily to 400-500 mg daily. I've also started doing some stretching daily, and minimal exercise (push ups, weightless squats, calf raises, sit ups).
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I had the feeling the Vitamin K1 from the spinach/veggies I've been eating hasn't been very effective, so I'm trying a Vitamin K1 supplement - 125% RDA.
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I'm a week away from going to see my doctor. Then I'll stop the medication. I'm likely to make my presence here much less frequent once I've stopped the medication. It's been great documenting and sharing my experience, but I'll no longer have things to update once I'm off the meds. Mission accomplished I suppose lol.
I'm doing well on 5 mg. Everything (blood work is perfect, mentally well) is great.
I'll update after I see my doctor and stop the meds. Then I'll make another post with details on my complete routine.
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There's always updates every month you could just update. Also do tell how wonderful life is schizo cured!
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Also do tell how wonderful life is schizo cured!
Life is good, lol.
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I figured I'd post the details of my routine now.
I'm still following Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy. I take 1,000 mg 3x a day w/ 50 mg b complex and 1,000 mg vitamin c. This is the protocol outlined in Dr. Hoffer's book "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments." Another very important thing to mention is that Dr. Hoffer got the best results with patients who had less schizophrenic episodes. His 90%+ cure rate was with patients who had 3 or less episodes. The success rate was less depending on how many episodes they had. I've had 3 episodes, and I started the niacin after my second one with great success. This is the most important part of my routine.
Fortunately after my second episode I stayed on the medications which helped prevent any further episodes. Had I stopped the medication as I had the first time I would've had more and more episodes. In that respect I'm glad I stayed on the medications. If I had episode after episode the niacin may not have been as effective.
In addition to Dr. Hoffer's niacin therapy, I also use Dr. Brownstein's iodine protocol. I take 50-100 mg Lugol's solution iodine daily. I also use unrefined salt (Redmond's Real Salt, 1.5 tsp dialy). I use a shower head filter, and a distiller for drinking water. I use fluoride free toothpaste. I don't eat organic produce now, but eventually I plan too (which is recommended). I also take the companion nutrients recommended for the protocol (magnesium, selenium, etc.) Dr. Brownstein has various books, a youtube channel, and other resources with information.
After getting genetic testing for MTHFR (a genetic trait that decreases the ability to convert folate into its active form), I started taking a methylfolate supplement (Quatrefolic) in the range of 2.5-10 mg. I also take the active forms of the b vitamins.
I also take glycine (8 mg 3x daily). It's supposed to be helpful for schizophrenia, and also the WPF recommends eating glycine rich foods. Glycine is supposed to help boost the body's glutathione (the master antioxidant) levels.
I've been doing something called the "Vitamin K2 Protocol." Basically the idea is that Vitamin K2 regulates mineralization, calcification, and other things. A good read on the subject is "The Calcium Paradox." It didn't make sense to me to just take vitamin A, D, and K2. So I decided to take all the fat soluble vitamins - Vitamin A, D3, E, K1 and K2.
I also eat a raw diet of grass fed meats and fats, pastured eggs, and fruits/vegetables/nuts.
Here are the complete details of doses, amount of meat/fat, etc.
Diet
4 oz of grass fed meat 3x a day (beef, buffalo, lamb, veal, etc.). 3 oz beef fat 3x a day. Fruits/vegetables/nuts whenever I'm hungry for carbs.
1.5 tsp salt daily.
Supplements
1,000 mg niacin 3x daily
50 mg b complex 2x daily
1,000 mg vitamin c 3x-9x daily
1.5 mg vitamin k2 3x daily
400 iu vitamin e 1x daily
10,000 iu vitamin a 1x daily
100 mcg vitamin k1 1x daily
1,000 iu vitamin d3 3x daily
1,000 mg calcium and 400 mg phosphorus from calcium hydroxyapatite daily
11 mg zinc chelate 1x daily
50 mcg selenium 1x daily
8 mg manganese chelate 3x daily
125 mg magnesium taurate 1x daily
50 mg magnesium threonate 1x daily
100 mg magnesium glycinate 1x daily
230 mg magnesium from blue ocean minerals 1x daily
chromium 200 mcg 1x daily
2.5-10 mg methylfolate (Quatrefolic) 1x daily
36 mg riboflavin-5-phosphate (B2) 1x daily
25 mg B6 P5P 2x daily
1 mg biotin 1x daily
Iodine 50-100 mg daily
8,000 mg glycine 3x daily
Exercise
At the least push ups, sit ups, and weightless squats daily. Usually a good amount of aerobic exercise like walking, sprinting, etc.
Sleep
Generally I get a good 8 hours each night.
Recommended Reading
Dr. Hoffer - Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments. He has other books, and they're all very good.
Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue - Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox: How a Little-Known Vitamin Could Save Your Life
Dr. Brownstein - Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It. Overcoming Thyroid Disorders. Salt Your Way to Health.
Dr. Edward Howell - Enzyme Nutrition
Dr. Carolyn Dean - The Magnesium Miracle
Multiple Authors - Advances in Food Research vol. 26
Linus Pauling - How to Live Longer and Feel Better
I see my doctor tomorrow and I'll be stopping the meds.
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I ended up not seeing my doctor last week (was to busy). I'm seeing him today. I stopped my meds Friday last week.
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I'd like to share my results with my sleep and experience of dreams. I've been having dreams, with full recall of my dreams. I notice that I have the best dream recall when I don't eat after it's dark, and I also refrain from drinking water a few hours before bed time. If I drink water before bed I don't have as good a dream recall, especially if I ate close to bed too. Eating before dark and avoiding water a few hours before bed gives me the best dream recall. That doesn't include the million other things I'm doing (fat soluble vitamins, salt, clean water, other vitamins, minerals, blah blah blah lol).
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Dreams are the best, it means you are going into deep deep sleep and coming back, it means the best rest, especially if you if get to have a few rounds of dreams a night.
Congratulations on finally getting off the prescription drugs!
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Congratulations on finally getting off the prescription drugs!
Thank you! :)
I decided to try a colloidal silver product. - http://natural-immunogenics.com/faq_detail.php?FAQID=9 (http://natural-immunogenics.com/faq_detail.php?FAQID=9)
I read it's a very effective anti-microbial. This brand is supposed to be the safest, most effective brand there is.
I'm thinking about making an anti-microbial concoction of iodine, unrefined salt, and silver and using it to soak chicken in before eating it to avoid food poisoning.
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Heh, that sounds really gross, to be honest.
What type of chickens do you have access to?
I have eaten a ton of raw "organic" and even just "natural" store bought chicken and turkey, both whole and ground, and never got food poisoning from them. What I will tell you is that the experience was much like eating grain fed beef, after a while of having those lower quality proteins and fats and also perhaps the fact that their diet was imparting something that I was slightly allergic too, I felt extremely inflamed, never felt my hunger satisfied and had some aches and pains in the joints after a while. So maybe that is a type of "food poisoning" but just in a different sense.
I have eaten raw pasture raised and appropriately fed chicken and turkey and not had the same symptoms and definitely felt more satisfied. But have never had access to it on the level I have conventional "organic" poultry so not sure I can fully compare.
Did you know that seaweeds have iodine, and unrefined salts??? (nudge nudge).......
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What type of chickens do you have access to?
I have eaten a ton of raw "organic" and even just "natural" store bought chicken and turkey, both whole and ground, and never got food poisoning from them. What I will tell you is that the experience was much like eating grain fed beef, after a while of having those lower quality proteins and fats and also perhaps the fact that their diet was imparting something that I was slightly allergic too, I felt extremely inflamed, never felt my hunger satisfied and had some aches and pains in the joints after a while. So maybe that is a type of "food poisoning" but just in a different sense.
I have eaten raw pasture raised and appropriately fed chicken and turkey and not had the same symptoms and definitely felt more satisfied. But have never had access to it on the level I have conventional "organic" poultry so not sure I can fully compare.
I have access to decent chicken - pastured from White Oak Pastures. I feel safer using my concoction lol. Thanks for the advice though.
Did you know that seaweeds have iodine, and unrefined salts??? (nudge nudge).......
Lol I'm well aware. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll continue with my routine of raw whole foods and toxic, synthetic, man made, unnatural, pharmaceutical-ly prepared, isolated, evolutionarily damaging, never before seen in existence supplements.. Lol
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Those store bought chickens are brined too, to make them tender, delicious, heavy/pricey and also less susceptible to bacteria, so your idea of brining is pretty on point. Just not maybe totally necessary with good quality meats.
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I wouldn't eat raw chicken unless I could personally verify the source. Even "pasture-raised" chicken is still getting most of its calories from grains, anyway, usually.
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This Friday will be my 4th week completely off medication. I'm happy to say things are going very well.
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Congrats DaBoss!
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After reading about the digestive tract having its own brain ( http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/science/the-enteric-nervous-system-%28ens%29/msg121534/#new (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/science/the-enteric-nervous-system-%28ens%29/msg121534/#new) ), I decided to try lecithin granules.
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Let us know how it works, DaBoss.
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I'm using it and it's alright. I'm taking 3-4 tablespoons daily. But I've read up on it further and I'm seeing that the dose of actual choline in lecithin granules is really low. So I'm planning to try a choline-chloride product which has significantly more choline than the lecithin granules.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/lecithin.html (http://www.doctoryourself.com/lecithin.html)
Bwahahaha look what I found - "Beef and sheep brains are also an excellent source of lecithin, but don't expect me to recommend them."
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http://www.doctoryourself.com/lecithin.html (http://www.doctoryourself.com/lecithin.html)
Bwahahaha look what I found - "Beef and sheep brains are also an excellent source of lecithin, but don't expect me to recommend them."
Cool, good find. Hope I can a chance to freak out a vegan with that some day. ;)
Eggs are also a source of lecithin (probably because they contain baby chick brains :P ). I learned from my sister years ago that eggs were used for making lecithin before soy became the standard source. Other sources are listed here, though most would be rather controversial at this forum: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458869-foods-high-in-lecithin/ (http://www.livestrong.com/article/458869-foods-high-in-lecithin/)
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I'm at 2 months+ med free. Things are still going good. I've continued with an all raw diet plus supplements, salt and everything else. My routine has been relatively consistent. Some minor changes include eating a bit more protein, 3 meals of 5 oz each.
A relatively large change I made is that I've cut out bananas specifically to eliminate the isotope of potassium in bananas - 40K. It's a radioactive form of potassium. In bananas it's very abundant, but in natural samples it's only 0.01% - http://www.chem21labs.com/labfiles/berea_gl07_lab.pdf (http://www.chem21labs.com/labfiles/berea_gl07_lab.pdf)
Because potassium is so important for nerve conduction, cell function etc. (K+ is used by all the cells and especially cells of the brain) I decided to try a potassium supplement (potassium chloride, KCl). So I've been doing about 50% of the RDA from potassium chloride. The KCL I use should only have approximately 0.01% of 40K (I contacted the company to confirm).
I've also looked into soil quality and seen that a lot are deficient - http://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/ppinews.nsf/0/599cd809bb78f26685256904005e9076/ (http://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/ppinews.nsf/0/599cd809bb78f26685256904005e9076/)$FILE/99068-PK%20West.pdf
I've been making sure I have all the ions needed for proper nerve and cell function - namely magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium, and chloride.
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Hello everyone. I've been med free for 13 weeks now. Things are going well.
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two thumbs up!
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Excellent. I'm glad to hear it.
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Daboss, please, come here on facebook where couple of thousands are waiting to hear ur successful story and all of them are suffering like u did. https://www.facebook.com/groups/286467918188496/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/286467918188496/) . Ur story can change one person at least . thanks
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Daboss, please, come here on facebook where couple of thousands are waiting to hear ur successful story and all of them are suffering like u did. https://www.facebook.com/groups/286467918188496/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/286467918188496/) . Ur story can change one person at least . thanks
No. Lol I'm done with trying to help people heal. I've wasted enough time trying and nobody being interested. I've diverted trying to help others to helping myself in other avenues, where I perhaps am not as solidly grounded as I am with health.
I have a general philosophy and it's that people seek out what they want. I've spent a lot of time trying to help people who don't want to be helped. Those who want help help themselves, and they seek out the information they're looking for.
You're welcome to share any information on here that you like.
Personally, I think the most important things you can recommend are Dr. Hoffer's books about niacin therapy. That resolves the worst of the symptoms - and from there they can work on improving things further. Without the niacin there is no recovery, only modestly small improvements.
I recently swapped out my Blue Ocean Minerals and MegaMag (from trace mineral research) for a magnesium chloride liquid. I feel like I get enough minerals from my unrefined salt, and that ingesting more minerals from those sources is too much.
I've continued taking 1-1.5 tsp of unrefined salt daily, about 40% the RDA for potassium from potassium chloride, and now 400 mg magnesium from magnesium chloride.
All other supplements remain virtually the same, diet remains virtually the same, I exercise regularly and get a good night's sleep most nights.
I also strive to be optimistic and have a healthy outlook - which I think is many times more important than anything else.
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No. Lol I'm done with trying to help people heal.
Your post struck a common chord with me. I've even had it happen here on this forum, where I'm labeled according to what I ate last week. My source material is available to everybody, and my approach is flexible - if I eat a potato one week, that doesn't mean I eat potatoes as a way of life.
Ahhh, thanks for letting me share!
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Your post struck a common chord with me. I've even had it happen here on this forum, where I'm labeled according to what I ate last week. My source material is available to everybody, and my approach is flexible - if I eat a potato one week, that doesn't mean I eat potatoes as a way of life.
Ahhh, thanks for letting me share!
Just remember, you're not doing yourself any good if you're not eating an instinctive diet... Avoiding EMF's... Avoiding salt... and most definitely avoiding water! Lol
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How are u DaBoss?
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How are u DaBoss?
I'm good. All is well :)
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Today marks 5 months of being med free :D
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Love it ^^^ :)
I just bought the book "Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia" and going to send it to my brother, because of you :)
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Congratulations!
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Love it ^^^ :)
I just bought the book "Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia" and going to send it to my brother, because of you :)
Nice to hear ;D
Congratulations!
Thank you both!
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Congrats, you DaBoss! ;)
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Congrats!
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Congrats!
Congrats, you DaBoss! ;)
Thank you both! :)
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Update.
2+ years med free.
I'm doing amazingly well. Here is an update on my current regimen.
1. Niacin 1,000 mg, b complex 50 mg, vitmain c 1000 mg 3x per day
Blood work: uric acid, liver function panel
2. Vitamin D 10,000 IU per day, combined with regular sun exposure following Dr. Hollicks "sensible sun exposure" recommendations
25-OH-D, 50-80 ng/mL range
3. 1.5-2.5 teaspoons of (unrefined) salt daily (to turn off/reduce the body's aldosterone (a sodium preserving hormoone) production
4. Iodine, Lugol's 2%, 20 drops per day
Full thyroid panel
5. Probiotics - glutathione producing (Regactiv), soil microorganisms (NOW Probiotic Defense)
6. Exercise
All blood work every 3-6 months. You should check with your health insurance first to make sure it's covered. Second be excessively nice to your doctor and nicely pushy to "encourage" them to order it. Or find another doctor.
That's the important stuff, I've also been eating a raw diet. Lot's of veggies, fruits, generous amounts of raw eggs, pastured/grass fed meats, wild fish, and of course lots of animal fats.
Other less important stuff
Magnesium chloride about 700 mg per day
Fermented cod liver oil
1000 mg methylfolate
I'm sorry if I've been harsh, rude, disrespectful. Thank you for your help. As you can imagine it's been incredibly complicated going through so much research to optimize my regimen. Sometimes it could be frustrating, however I've gotten through it gracefully and in one piece. Again, sorry if I've been inappropriate.
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I'm glad it's working for you.
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Nice..... :) Thank you so much, for sharing your success!
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Yw :) Inger you look beautiful, as usual *blushy face*
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I've been ingesting on average about 2 teaspoons daily of unrefined salt.
I decided I'm going to slowly increase my intake. I've noticed that schizophrenics tend to need abnormally large doses of nutrients, and as such have decided to increase my salt intake from 2 teaspoons per day to 3-5 teaspoons per day.
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You might consider updating the name of your journal to reflect your new handle.
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Thanks. I think that should do the trick.
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Hi Le Patron,
Glad to read your update and success! Was curious what you are using these days as a water formula. I tried the blue drops on their own before and got a stomach upset. I think this was complicated by drinking green juice before. I want to come back to it again, sans juice.
Thanks
Celeste
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Hi Le Patron,
Glad to read your update and success! Was curious what you are using these days as a water formula. I tried the blue drops on their own before and got a stomach upset. I think this was complicated by drinking green juice before. I want to come back to it again, sans juice.
Thanks
Celeste
Hey there. I'm drinking spring water. I use distilled water when taking my Lugol's solution or magnesium chloride solution (1 glass 3x a day, breakfast 25 mg Lugol's with 1 tsp magnesium chloride, lunch 1 tsp magnesium chloride, and dinner like 5 tsp magnesium chloride). If I only have distilled water and not spring then I might make a few gallons and add like 1/8 tsp potassium chloride and a little magnesium chloride.
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Thanks. :)
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Experiments with Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 has inactive and active forms.
Methylcobalamin, hydroxocobalamin, and adensylcobalamin are active forms.
Methyl can be converted into both.
However some have less than optimal conversion. Hydroxo apparently detoxes the brain, and adensyl plays a part in energy.
I'm trying out taking about 1/2 mg daily of each.
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I've never been able to eat very low carb without getting extremely irritable and borderline "airheaded." I was actually able to eat an almost no carb diet since trying the adenosyl and hydroxo b12 combination.
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Hello everyone. I just thought I'd drop a line.
Everything is good. I hope all of you are well too.
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Welcome back.