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Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 31, 2019, 04:15:55 am »
I would homeschool if I could...the food choices in the local schools are truly horrid.
For breakfast they serve items like pop tarts and sugar cereal
For Lunch its the most processed low quality food imaginable served with a carton of low fat chocolate milk.

My personal situation is quite dire at the moment, the mother of my children is in a losing battle with insanity and I am not yet financially able nor do I have the family support to file for full custody of the children. Me and my girlfriend are the only ones in their lives who actually cares about the quality of the food and environment, with any true passion.

Having them for only two or three days out of the week it is difficult to rebalance and compensate for the 4 or 5 days of junk food they get with their mother and at the school. We have been at odds for years over many issues, and she refuses to pack lunches and serve them unprocessed foods, even though I offered to pay the difference in cost and deliver farm fresh meat and produce to her door.

The ideal situation and reality as it is now, are worlds apart, and it breaks my bleeding heart to have to make these compromises....alas for now I provide them the best combination of cooked and raw foods available when they are with me.

I am sympathetic to your plight. You are not the only one with a spouse, current or ex, who do not share consensus on matters of nutrition. Your approach is pragmatic, and your children will see the way as they get older, do not despair.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 17, 2019, 12:36:25 am »
Im curious about your total daily macro intake norawnofun? This is an impressive number of calories from dairy alone. What else do you eat and how often do you train?

Since I eat a lot of raw dairy and find it very important for my wellbeing, I started to look at the calcium issue that you posted in this link. It is indeed very interesting. Then I had a look at the recommended daily calcium intake, which seems to be 1000-1200mg per day, which equals around a liter of raw milk per day

Whenever I am abroad I drink a liter of raw cows milk from (IMO) predominantly older A2 breeds with every meat meal, which means 2-3 times a day. Sometimes I drink more in between. To each meal I eat around 250 grams of raw cheese. So to summarize I have 3 liters of milk, plus 750g of cheese. So my daily calcium intake is 1200mgx3 + another lets say 1200x3 from the cheese. = 7200mg daily intake. When I am at home, I have less goat dairy but it seems that the calcium content is higher, so i might have a similar intake. Considering the fact that milk has vitamin D in it, the absorption should be ok. Then comes the calcium to phosphorus ratio (Ca/P), cows milk seems to be slightly higher than goat More on that below. Either way, thinking about it I have a extremely high daily calcium intake, so I thought if I should be concerned. But then I had a look at this:

And here

I found quite some people which do a carnivore diet and eat/drink lots of raw dairy, and it seems to do them very well, like me. They heal all kinds of things. Now when looking at the above one could possibly conclude that a carnivore diet, which consists of a very high intake of animal protein, needs a very good amount of calcium to counterbalance the calcium excretion by eating a good amount of raw dairy or animal foods high in calcium.

So basically one could think that a high raw dairy intake on carnivore is no problem, but it is a problem when you eat a normal low animal protein diet, like many "normal" people do, as the general consent is that animal protein is unhealthy and vegetables, whole grains and fruit are better. Then you might be in trouble. None of the links posted from some of you take a high animal protein diet such as carnivore into account. So then it´s normal that many westerners drink lots of milk, but then have big issues like osteoporosis later, because of low meat consuption, as I think that vegetables are useless for calcium intake.

And if you now say that there is no different between raw milk and pasteurized milk in terms of (Ca/P) ratio and absorption, I recommend looking into this study: There are, for example, HUGE differences between dried and raw milk. I also noticed that when I eat pasteurized joghurt, my bones sometimes crack, and I get tartar. So there is no way that somebody can tell me that raw milk and heat-treated milk is the same. So all these amazing studies showing how bad milk can in my optinion, be thrown in the trash!

Surfsteve I seem to have high uric acid levels and related symptoms, I was eating a fair bit of thymus and pancreases before last test, these have highest level of purines. What are your levels like?

General Discussion / Re: Mineral water causing tooth decay/tartar
« on: December 16, 2018, 10:20:17 am »
Curious if you tried mineral water again or if you are sticking with other RO or distilled sources?

Hot Topics / Re: royal jelly
« on: December 15, 2018, 01:16:43 am »
Thanks van!

Primal Diet / Re: Hydration mineral water versus veg juices
« on: December 15, 2018, 01:16:19 am »
PaganGoy, do you drink blood instead of eating a meal, or do you have blood as a beverage with a meal?

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Vice article featuring Me
« on: December 15, 2018, 01:15:05 am »
That is great news. You have a lot more credibility and knowledge than the majority of very popular folks messaging around carnivore and raw, etc. You will be a huge hit and educate many.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Vice article featuring Me
« on: December 14, 2018, 08:50:16 am »
+1 Sabre you would be a youtube celeb, and in time make enough income to rely only on the videos alone!

Primal Diet / Re: Hydration mineral water versus veg juices
« on: December 14, 2018, 08:48:37 am »
PaganGoy, how much blood would one drink? I typically drink no more than 1-2 cups of water a day depending on activity, sometimes none. I will not juice vegetables. I do have reliable access to young beef blood. Would you suggest to replace the 1-2 cups of water with equal amount of blood, or is that too much?

Hot Topics / Re: royal jelly
« on: December 14, 2018, 08:32:11 am »
Bumping this here, anyone with more recent experiences? Have a source for fresh royal jelly that is quite affordable. Have never tried it.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 28, 2018, 04:53:00 am »
I would kill to get bison adrenals. No way I can get that here. I don't believe they are supposed for longevity. Okinawans, Sardinians or Puerto Rico's natives didn't seem to eat bison. The key for longevity is lifestyle, environment and well-raised animal foods. In order of priority, it seems that environment is first, lifestyle second and lastly diet. In Los Andes from Peru, there are native people who live on legumes, grains, and tubers and there are a lot of centenarians. But, look at their environment, they are in one of the least polluted areas of the world.

I'm not saying they eat adrenals, I'm saying they have high levels of DHEA. And DHEA is found in adrenals.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 27, 2018, 09:24:03 pm »

I'm still glad that I eat plenty of it though for  whatever else besides vitamin C it contains. My main hopes of raw thymus is that it will have a positive effect on aging. Only young animals have normal thymuses. By the time you're my age it has supposedly degenerated by more than 90%. I strongly suspect that the thymus I buy comes from calves and not mature cows for the very same reason.

One more thought - if longevity and youth is the goal, shouldn't adrenals be on the menu? They are the source of DHEA, and this is the hormone that seems to be most robust in long lived populations. I have not tried adrenals yet, you can buy bison adrenal at north star online.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 27, 2018, 07:45:11 pm »
I prefer raw food warm in the cold months, and fine with it cold on hot summer days.

I only leave it in the sous vide for an hour, I am not concerned about bacteria growth in this time frame.

Heating it beyond body temp of animal (101F) is lightly cooking it, is it not? I presume the meat would change color.

I also enjoy sweetbreads. I did not like them raw for a time, but now do. I have an easier time finding pancreas than thymus. I think thymus is tastier.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 23, 2018, 11:39:14 pm »
I use plastic. I am not so fussed for the 30 minutes this takes. On balance our diets and lifestyle are so healthy we are certainly resilient to what must be negligible (if any!) harm from this. I suppose you could drop your meat directly into water - I have had meat escape bags before and effectively done this by accident, was fine after drying off.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 23, 2018, 06:48:09 am »
Thymus gets atrophied in cattle after 1.5 years. That's probably why they don't sell much. I can't get it.
Grey-Cup, how long are you in carnivore? Do you experience fatigue or cold when taking showers?

Strict carnivore for 1.5 years, raw for 6mo. No, I enjoy swimming in cold water. I do not eat my food cold, however. I warm it to near "body temperature" of the animal using a sous vide to take it to 98F in cold months especially.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Best water source?
« on: November 22, 2018, 11:40:40 am »
Gerolsteiner is hands down the best water.

I enjoy Gerolsteiner but have abstained for the past few weeks. I used to get a bit of stomach cramp on occasion, perhaps from the carbonic acid? I'm not sure. It was unclear to me if the carbon dioxide would contribute to intestinal permeability. I must admit I "miss" the water, I am otherwise absent cravings but do think of drinking this again one day.

I suppose I also questioned whether it was ancestrally suitable as I'm trying to live like a caveman ;-)

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 22, 2018, 11:36:46 am »
I have yet to come across a long term carnivore who has suffered consequences from not consuming iodine in seafood. Especially a raw carnivore. I believe nose to tail eating of any ruminant can provide a foundation for perfect health. But I am here to learn, and would welcome evidence to the contrary.

Good conversation. I am enjoying the fat and meat with some age on them. Both are in a fridge at 3c, so neither are fermenting. But, some of the fat from certain sources tastes better fresh, others taste better with a week of age. I will continue to experiment. I do find the fat must be a large solid block with no aeration as a  mishmash of suet pieces fails as it dries out, where as a large block of fat is aging quite nicely.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Best water source?
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:22:08 am »
I don't know for sure, but I have a distiller and never feel that my thirst isn't being quenched.  Nor do I experience the notion of it leeching minerals.  I know it's a heavily debated subject, but when you think about it: your stomach usually has some food residue or food in it.  That food is replete with minerals.  Those minerals will instantly be taken into the distilled water.   If in doubt you can always add mineral drops from the sea or a pinch of salt to a quart of water.    But having said that,  if I had a pristine source of spring water that I KNEW the mineral balance it had, I'd opt for it.

Yes per my previous reply on this thread the hunt is on for good spring water in glass! I would think if you have been drinking distilled and it was an issue it would have manifested by now so you are probably correct!

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Best water source?
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:20:25 am »
I think locally sourced spring would be the best, considering the locality of the water. If it´s somewhere close to towns or cities you might need to be aware and test it. Petrol stations for instance can leech fuel into the groundwater. And as tyler said, I´d stay away from distilled, same as RO, that takes away minerals. First I used a water filter from brita, then I bought tons of plastic mineral water and glass mineral water, and now I changed to a water filter from berkey. I got fed up with buying all these plastic bottles and generating huge amounts of waste and all this carrying around pissed me off, then you have the storage space, plus the plastic has so many chemicals in it, no thanks. I think glass mineral water is the 2nd best option, but since that became too expensive I went for a berkey. I also overconsumed on mineral water, to the extend that when I sometimes drink them I get bloated, which I find very strange. I guess too many minerals for an extended period of time wasn´t the best choice. Could have also been the plastic bottles, no idea. But I have no issue with plastic table water (man made water). So can´t really be the plastic there.

Thanks. I will try to source decent spring water in glass. With respect to mineral water, I really like Gerolsteiner and it has loads of bicarbonates and magnesium etc. I just don’t know if it’s natural to have carbonated water as a mainstay. The carbonic acid is naturally formed but our ancestors would not likely use this type of water as a main source! I sometimes let it go flat, but another thing I notice with mineral water is it may throw my electrolytes off which seem in perfect balance with raw meat and flat water.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Best water source?
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:16:48 am »
Distilled is very dangerous. I once did an experiment drinking only distilled water. I found I was thirsty even after gulping down litres of the stuff. The stuff leaches away minerals etc. RO water sounds gimmicky and also removes beneficial minerals to some extent. I drink tapwater wherever I go as, in Austria, most places get lovely pristine water from the Alps. Italy, where I also travel to, has excellent mountain-stream water coming from the Ligurian hills. In London, however, I always drank spring water. I did not want to drink water that has already been through 8 bladders, after all.

Are you certain it was not an issue with a specific brand of distilled? I have been experimenting with a brand called Divinia which is double distilled, low in deuterium as ancient water would be, and it has other unique properties. In contradiction to your experience I have a hard time drinking it and find I drink less than normal, which is not much anyways 1-2 cups. Maybe my body is telling me to abstain if I fact it is leeching minerals.

You are lucky to have access to great local water! Thanks for your thoughts.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How much iodine for a carnivore?
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:06:09 am »
I eat brain for fatty acids. Not all cultures developed with access to seafood or in coastal locations. For many, including myself, seafood is suboptimal for health. Paleomedicina carnivourous diet excludes seafood as well.

Thanks Van! If a fat is rancid can it still smell cheesy or will it have a distinct bad odour and off taste?

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Best water source?
« on: November 18, 2018, 03:42:03 am »
What is the consensus here on the best water source to accompany our meat?





I don't have access to a local spring, so need to buy in bottles.

There are claims for and against Distilled, RO, and mineral. I don't see anyone objecting to Spring.

What do you drink?

Thanks both of you for your feedback! Will report back in a few weeks.

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