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General Discussion / Re: emergency question
« on: June 14, 2009, 11:18:40 pm »
The book titled "The Complete Book of Food Counts" by Corinne T. Netzer gives both raw and cooked data for calories, carbs, protein, sodium, cholesterol, fat, and fiber.

Raw lean ground beef has less calories than broiled lean ground beef of the same weight. I would think it is because the water is cooked off so cooked is more concentrated, but then the fat drips off so it is leaner?

If you could find data on the shrinkage of cooked meat, you could compare the before and after cooking data for a sample of meat, realizing that after cooking it weighs less. Would you factor in the fat calories that drip away during cooking and are not normally consumed?

There are a lot of "what ifs" and "it depends" in this issue.

General Discussion / Re: COCONUT CREAM
« on: June 14, 2009, 10:59:13 pm »
I have been using supermarket canned coconut cream in small quantities. This post got me thinking about it. Raw is better. I found this recipe and will try it. Freezing in ice cube trays seems like a good idea. I think a regular blender or food processor would work?

I have been hearing a lot about the lipids in coconuts being very good for us.

General Discussion / Re: Sweetbreads, kidneys, tongue, heart, brain
« on: May 23, 2009, 08:42:51 am »
Well, why not try shooting wild hares? They taste absolutely lovely. I admit I prefer them with a little extra fat like raw eggs or marrow, but that's just bhedging my bets.

The ones I shoot are wild. They are in my garden. I am trying to expand my territory.

General Discussion / Re: Sweetbreads, kidneys, tongue, heart, brain
« on: May 23, 2009, 03:31:56 am »
I am more interested in the nutrition. I believe the body will respond beautifully to food that meets its core needs. The internal organs have huge amounts of nutrients compared to the muscles.

I shot a rabbit a week ago. I butchered it immediately. The liver was fantastic warm (I cut out the little purple sac). My ex-wife once cooked beef kidneys that smelled so bad I had to leave the house. The raw rabbit kidneys tasted mild and great. I was unsure about the lungs and stomach, and did not eat them. The heart was very good raw and warm. I did not try to get to the brain. I am learning about the other parts that may be too small to consider on a rabbit but that might be large on a cow.

The rabbit muscle was tough and tasteless, even after aging a couple days. Rabbits have a very very low muscle fat content.

I find lots of internet information on internal organs but they usually cook them to death.

Intestines are/were used for sausage casings. Most is synthetic now.

So much of the knowledge of hunter & gatherer & fisher culture has been lost. What wild plants and insects are good for me? Bad for me? How do I eat a buffalo?

Sea plants ...



General Discussion / Sweetbreads, kidneys, tongue, heart, brain
« on: May 22, 2009, 06:23:21 am »
I am thinking of ordering bulk grass fed meat, like a side. The supplier offers organ meats - sweetbreads, kidneys, testicles, brain, tongue, liver, heart & tallow. Does anyone have experience or advice on eating these raw?

I have read numerous accounts where primitive people preferred the internal organs and would feed the muscle to the dogs, and would not even eat the muscle if was too lean.

General Discussion / Re: Mental/Emotional/Moral Transition
« on: May 20, 2009, 11:30:03 pm »
These are some things I have done to go raw:

Put warmed ground meat in a wrap or taco. Warming it to about 100' does not cook it. Or mix it in salads or other foods you normally eat.

I chop liver and warm it with spices and diced onion. It's quite good. I also do this with brains.

Raw eggs in smoothies every morning. The high Omega 3 kind.

Dry the meat at 100' in a good dehydrator. Use your favorite spices. I seems to make the meat more palatable and socially acceptable. I cut it into bite size chunks and snack on it all day. I like to dry it just half way but have trouble with mold, even when it is refrigerated. I am going to experiment with freezing meal size portions.

Eat as much raw seafood as you can afford. Sushimi and ceviche. 

A great book is "Traditional Foods are Your Best Medicine" by Ronald Schmid.

General Discussion / Re: Chocolate is
« on: April 28, 2009, 08:51:05 am »
If you want the benefits of cocoa, (there are a lot) get it as "baking cocoa" which is 100% cocoa. No sugar or fats or dairy added. I put it in raw smoothies.

General Discussion / Re: Organic farmed salmon...thoughts
« on: April 28, 2009, 08:36:19 am »
I agree with Lex. In my area wild salmon is less expensive than the farm raised. Kansas, USA.

General Discussion / Re: Anyone knows what is the best Probiotics?
« on: April 09, 2009, 09:20:46 am »
Home made
  chili sauce
unpasteurized vinegar

The book "Live Fermantation" by Katz

General Discussion / Re: Essential grasfed fat
« on: April 05, 2009, 04:24:04 am »
I guess I am lucky to live in Kansas. The grassfed beef here has plenty of fat. The cows just stand around all day eating clovers and grasses and get fat. A lot of farmers are getting into the business because the demand is growing. I can now get grassfed from two different sources at the local supermarket.

I suggest you try to find some goose and or brains. Geese can survive on a grass diet. Beef brains are hard to get because of mad cow, but if you find a local producer you might get lucky.

I am glad to hear about the milk.

General Discussion / Re: want to try paleo diet
« on: March 23, 2009, 05:21:25 am »
Welcome, you are right it does make a lot of sense.

If you read "important information for newbies" under the General Discussion heading it will get you started on your questions. Then come back and get involved with current topics.

General Discussion / Re: mercury in fish...
« on: March 22, 2009, 10:24:09 am »
I agree that the benefits of eating fish outweigh the risks. My point is that if a woman is pregnant she should avoid high risk species. It is only 9 months and there are a thousand other species of fish to eat. Why risk even a very remote possibility? The fetus can not choose.

General Discussion / Re: mercury in fish...
« on: March 21, 2009, 11:46:54 pm »
There is evidence that paleos were catching large catfish with barbed sticks.

They have found sites where there were mountains of clam and oyster shells. Stuff you can get when the tide goes out or digging in the sand seems reasonable.

The fish with the most mercury are high on the food chain like swordfish and shark which would have been very hard to catch.

Pregnant women and young children should avoid mercury and fish from contaminated rivers!!!!

I think we would have eaten a lot of fish catching creatures like seals, penguins, and seabirds with their eggs.

General Discussion / Re: Ants: The Other Something Meat
« on: March 21, 2009, 11:22:38 pm »
This is a very entertaining short course on eating bugs:

I was advised that bugs should be an important part of the human diet. I was relieved to hear that shrimp are a close relative to insects. I spice shrimp  and dry them with the shell on. They are a great crunchy snack.

I spent a long time on the internet a while back trying to find info on insect eating. Except for the above all I found were academic articles. Grasshoppers because of there abundance and size, if I remember right, were one of the most commonly eaten. I don't think I could eat a live raw one, perhaps dried crispy with chili.

Hot Topics / Re: Your experience with raw dairy?
« on: March 21, 2009, 11:09:30 am »
I tried raw milk home made yogurt recently and it was fantastic. It was from grass only fed cow. It is hard to find grass only dairy here in the winter. Rich and creamy.

I just made some raw goat milk yogurt and kefir. It is runny but good. The goats were grain fed. The farmer said goats are browsers and it's hard to raise dairy goats without grain.

I drink some every morning. I believe in symbiotics. The bacteria digest the lactose also.


The Weston A. Price Foundation
PMB 106-380
4200 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington DC 20016
Phone: (202) 363-4394
Fax: (202) 363-4396

Here are additional online resources:

Raw Milk Powerpoint Presentation:

Short Film: “The Whole Truth About Milk” by Organic Pastures

Short Film: "The Meatrix"

Short Film: "The Meatrix 2"

Short Film: "Store Wars"

Short Film: "Greening the Desert"
The Ultimate in Local, Sustainable Agriculture: Geoff Lawton's Permaculture

Acres U.S.A.
A Voice for Eco-Agriculture

American Grassfed Assn. Recipe Page
Features Recipes for Beef, Bison, Goat, Lamb, Pork,
Poultry, & Dairy

Apitherapy Raw Honey from Honey Gardens
Raw Honey Products and Information

Article: A SIMPLE CHANGE IN MINDSET - Learning to Maximize the Use of Your Real Milk and Cream Pasteurized milk doesn’t sour, it rots.  But naturally soured raw milk and cream are highly useful and nutritious items. In fact, it can be argued that the soured versions are even more healthful than the “fresh from the cow variety” due to the higher level of enzymes and friendly bacteria present.

Article: Is Your Honey Really Raw?

Chelsea Green Publishing
The Politics and Practice of Sustainable Living

Cholesterol and Health - A WAPF Chapter Leader’s site focused on cholesterol

David Suzuki Foundation - "Solutions Are in Our
Since 1990, the David Suzuki Foundation has worked to find ways for society to live in balance with the
natural world that sustains us.

Eat Wild
The #1 Site for Grass-Fed Food & Facts

Fankhauser's Cheese Page
Recommended Site for Cheesemaking

Fieldstone Organic Farm
Good Raw Milk information:

Fourfold Path to Healing
Dr. Thomas Cowan's website (he wrote a companion book to Sally Fallon's "Nourishing Traditions")

Local Harvest
Find your local food growers!

New Trends Publishing
Important Books on Diet & Health

Nourishing Connections (Colorado)
The Colorado WAP Chapter -- a good resource

Nourishing Our Children

“Nutrition and Physical Degeneration” by Weston A. Price - The Book - Free on the internet!

Organic Consumers Association
Campaigning for Health, Justice, and Sustainability

Radiant Life Company
Excellent Information & Products.  The section on “Traditional Wisdom” is a very good summary of Dr. Price’s research, and includes some of the remarkable photos from his book.

Real Milk - A Campaign for Real Milk
Learn the TRUTH about natural dairy products

Really Raw Honey

Remineralize the Earth
Towards a sustainable agriculture, forestry, and climate

Soy Information from WAPF  (also do a search for “soy” on the site)

Wild Fermentation
Sandor Elix Katz's Site (author of "Wild Fermentation: The Flavor, Nutrition, and Craft of Live-Culture

Wise Food Ways
Jessica Prentice's website (author of "Full Moon Feast")

Information about Fluoride:

Information about re-mineralization & healing of teeth:
Note:  there are three parts to this, and Ramiel Nagel also has a website and a book:
Book:  Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition by Ramiel Nagel

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I used to live in the country. Someone hit a deer in the front of my house. I pulled it under a tree and butchered. It took about 5 hours to get it refrigerated and probably  many more hours in a household refrigerator before the temp dropped down because of the large amount of meat.

The venison from the entire animal was very tender, which surprised me at the time. Now I know why.

I find that putting meat in a roaster oven with a thermostat that holds at about 100' for a few hours does absolute wonders for tenderness. You can also turn the thermostat up high for an hour to kill surface microorganisms and then hold for a long time at 100'. I do this with large roasts and they melt in my mouth.

I find that when dehydrating meat at 100', it gets tender after a few hours; but then gets tough again when completely dry.

General Discussion / Re: raw paleo diet recipe books
« on: March 13, 2009, 08:13:20 am »
Well, you won't find a specific rawpalaeo book, as such. Apart from anything else, most rawpalaeos just eat foods on their own without usually using recipes.

However, Aajonus Vonderplanitz's book "The Recipe for living without disease"

This book sells for about $30 used or new at Amazon. Is it worth the price?

General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: March 13, 2009, 03:39:10 am »
If you are reading this you are a work of art beyond comprehension. You are a survivor against all odds. You have a continuous chain of life that goes back 4 billion years. Your existence is  marvelous. No words that I can write can do justice to your beauty.

How far back should we look?

4 billion years. It seems impossible but we must keep trying.

Cosmic evolution.

Thank you all

General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: March 11, 2009, 12:00:39 pm »
The subject was poop. Kind of got off track.

We are what we eat. We can be magnificent or degenerates.

Eat well my friends.

General Discussion / Re: raw paleo diet recipe books
« on: March 10, 2009, 10:34:07 pm »
That's great, I'm sure we'll see more.

It would be a good business to get into, all you need is a knife and cutting board. If you have ever seen sushimi chefs at work, that is all they use.

Our paleo ancestors just had some stone knives and rock hammers and did quite fine.

General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: March 09, 2009, 03:43:17 am »
Where do you get your evidence for this?  Most of what I've read has humans developing in the open plains and grasslands of the African Continent and then migrating into the middle east (what is now Iraq and Iran) and spreading both east into India and Asia, and west into Europe from there.  The American continent was supposedly populated through migration of a land bridge linking what is now Alaska and Russia in much more recent times.  The "islands" and tropics were populated rather recently from a historical perspective from Asia as well, supposedly through the use of primitive boats and rafts.

This view seems to be fairly well supported through the dating of archeological finds in the various areas.  There is nothing that I've found anywhere that suggests that humans spent most of their early development in tropical areas - in fact, quite the opposite - we started in grasslands and plains where there would have been little in the way of fruit, but herds of wild grass eating animals plentiful.


I consider human evolution to encompass a 4 billion year period. Like most people who believe in evolution you consider it to have started about 2 million years ago when Hominini that looked similar to modern humans moved out of Africa.

When making nutrition choices I pay particular attention to the period since mammals evolved 256 million years ago and especially since primates 65 million years ago. I pay no attention to the period since civilization started about 4 thousand years ago other than to avoid the foods humans have manipulated since then.

In the book "Evolving Health" author Boaz shows how closely we are linked the the life forms we co-evolved with. We are still using much of the same cellular metabolism that evolved 2 billion years ago. Many of our molecular, cellular, and system breakdowns are diet related to specific periods in our evolution. During my embryonic development in my mother's womb I had a tail and gills. We all did.

In the book "The Evolution Diet" author Morse details how our evolved oral and digestive physiology is omnivore. We may have relied more on meat when we moved from Africa, but we kept our herbivore advantages.


General Discussion / Re: raw paleo diet recipe books
« on: March 08, 2009, 10:29:46 pm »
Paleolithic people did not have recipes. Hunter-gatherers just wandered around opportunistically eating whatever they came upon.

If you consider yourself to be a carnivore I imagine it can be boring. I don't know how they stand eating just meat every day.

I consider humans to be omnivores. The variety comes in all the fruits and veggies. I go to the store and shop only the produce isle and spice rack. I try to buy at least one of everything except potatoes and corn in the produce isle and keep a plate of cut up stuff around me all day to eat. About the only recipe I can offer is to squeeze lime juice on things, or dust with spices of your liking.

I think most of primate evolution was in warm climates, and if an animal was killed it stayed warm. If kept warm it will become naturally tender in a few hours. Under modern western civilization conditions the meat must be brought to a cold temperature quickly immediately after slaughter. Under refrigeration beef is normally either wet or dry aged for three or four weeks to approach the same tenderization of warm meat before being sold to consumers. I can't stand cold meat. If I rub it with spices and keep it warm 100' for a few hours it's great. I will keep it warm and eat on it for hours. The variety is in the spices.

Although gathering and hunting comprised most of the food supply during the Middle Paleolithic people began to supplement their diet with seafood and began smoking and drying meat to preserve and store it.

The above quote is the reasoning that keeps me paleo. I smoke and dry all kids of meat and fish at 100' with all kinds spices. I eat a variety all day long. Love it. No recipe is needed.

Another enjoyable "recipe" is to mix together raw nuts, small seeds, and dried berries and munch on them. Some suggestions: Walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, dried black currents, dried cranberries, and sesame seeds. Use your favorites, no recipe is needed.

There is one recipe book I can recommend for the symbiotic benefits: Wild Fermentation by Sandor Katz with a foreword by Sally Fallon.

A couple of near paleo foods that you will find recipes for on the net are Ceviche and Sushimi.

I have two near paleo recipes I use, one is for mayonnaise and the other is a smoothie if you are interested.

I have been a professional cook/chef for most of my life and collect recipe books. I now have to scrap hundreds of dollars worth of cooking stuff and boxes of books. Kind of sad but mostly happy. My health is so much better.   

General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: March 08, 2009, 08:02:03 am »
I currently believe that most of our evolution occurred in tropical areas like the Philippines where Goodsamaratin lives, but the soils were less depleted and the landscape, plants, and animals less abused by humans. Fruits and vegetables were abundant year round and our ancestors new when and where they were in their prime. Tender shoots and sprouts were always available as were a huge variety of fruits, insects, and meat creatures.

It was much much later that we migrated to harsher climates and groups of people became adapted to their new surroundings. I don't know if I am a member of which group and if so I don't know if I possess the recent adapted gene. Weston Price studied people who migrated recently and their "traditional" diets evolved since civilization developed agriculture and animal husbandry. I do agree that traditional diets are vastly superior and much less damaging than the "civilized" diets that were invented in the last hundred+ years, which is what Price was comparing them to.

In the book Pottinger's Cats they note that cats living in the wild on their natural hunted diet were healthier that cats fed a raw diet. The raw fed cats were healthy, but the cooked food cats died out in two or three generations.

I think there might be pockets of tropical paradise where I could go out and survive, but certainly not in this northern climate, and certainly not without a tribe of people to gather seeds, berries, and nuts in season to store; and hunt with.

I have read a lot of books on this topic in a short period and am uncertain of my time lines. I am still reviewing. But right now I'm going back about a million years minimum. We have been evolving with bacteria for billions of years. At one time we were like bacteria. There is a much bigger picture here.

I was most impressed by a book titled "Evolving Health" by Boaz. A human fetus develops similar to evolution. The modern world is making us sick. Most of it is diet related.

General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: March 07, 2009, 10:16:37 pm »

    Do you know the name of the doctor or which episode it was on?

Another couple factors I neglected to mention are hydration and exercise.

When I was 14 years old I was hospitalized and bedridden. As is common, I had to get an enema every couple days and sit on a bed pan. As you can imagine, it is not a pleasant experience for a 14 year old boy to have water squirted up his but by a nurse. I learned that if I very frequently drank water all day the problem cleared up.

I have learned from life that if I am sedentary with a desk job all day I feel terrible and have lots of digestion and weight problems. If I have a job where I am running around all day and getting aerobic exercise I feel great and have regular bowl movements.

Everyone is different with different life styles. I am not offering advice.  Check out the above links, notice that one is a slide show.

This is a link on how often that says 3/day to 3/week can be normal.

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