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The reason McDonalds is the largest provider of playgrounds in the world is that they know that once a child learns to eat certain foods they are hooked (addicted). It is extremely hard to change. It was an evolutionary advantage to learn what foods were nutritious and which were poisonous. Deviating could mean death.

I have been working on it for about 3 years and still slip. Especially when hungry and grocery shopping. Or hungry passing all the fast food joints on the way home from work.

I started eating lots of raw fruits and veggies that I liked and rare cooked meat. Tried to fill up so I never got hungry. The improvement in health, vigor, and mental ability was great I just kept going.

You will like it.

General Discussion / Re: 2 questions
« on: January 16, 2011, 12:33:15 am »
I like all raw nuts & think they are a great paleo food in moderation, don't see why almond butter eaten fresh would be bad.

Lamb is normally prepared rare. Eat the rarest part next to the bone. Your friends will think you are a gourmet. Also try carving very thin slices off before cooking. Add a little salt & pepper and eat on a cracker. This is called hourdourves by the french. The same with beef. Or goat. Or whatever.
Tell your friends it is a family tradition that goes back many generations. It is and does. Thousands of generations actually.

I have been experimenting with this for the last couple of months. I found that if I buy large roasts (about 2 or 3 pounds), rub them with some salt and pepper, and put them on a rack in front of a fan for a day they get dry aged and tender. Just one day is enough at room temperature. It does not matter if the roast is super tough leg or chuck cut or tender sirloin. The tough cuts have more flavor. If the surface stays dry they do not spoil even if left out for a couple of weeks while I cut pieces off. Even the cut surface remains taint free.

This works both for nasty feedlot beef and wonderful grass finished.

I started drying three roasts a few weeks ago and they began to get too dry. So I put one in the frig and put the other in a plastic bag still on the tray. The bag does not touch the meat. This seems to work good and is averaging out the dry crust and moist interior.

You can experiment with different slicing techniques to give you the amount of "chew" you like. The meat takes on a nice firm maroon texture quite unlike the red chewy raw cold beef.

If you do have to use feedlot beef do not use the supermarket meat that has water/salt/flavoring added supposedly to enhance tenderness & flavor. Your paying for water and poisons.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Bone Stock
« on: December 28, 2010, 11:46:01 pm »

Raw Weston Price / Re: Bone Stock
« on: December 28, 2010, 11:44:06 pm »
Perpetual Beautiful Broth: Purchase a 15 Qt. ROASTER OVEN on sale during the holiday season. Set the oven so that a water bath maintains 160 degrees. Add a whole turkey on sale during Thanksgiving. Throw in some diced onions, carrots, celery, garlic, plenty of salt, herbs, and spices. Let it slow cook for a couple of days then enjoy the delicous broth and great health. Add any vegetable scraps and bones as they become available. An acidic liquid leaches minerals from the bones and helps free other nutrients, so add tomato juice, wine, vinegar, or whey when you can. Whenever you get too many solids scoop them out and bury in the garden. Around Christmas/New Years put in a whole bone-in ham on sale. Wonderful. Check your grocer in the ethnic section for chicken paws, pig or beef feet, neck bones, tails, etc. as they are usually low cost and have lots of gelatin. Skim the fat unless you are using all grass fed meat products in which case use it in cooking. Keep giving and receiving forever.
My pot is almost a year old now and keeps getting better and better and better......

Hot Topics / Re: Possible high-meat poisoning/questions
« on: December 26, 2010, 09:33:02 am »
The trouble with the ridiculous claims above, is that if any of them were actually true, the RVAF diet community would by now have experienced vast food-poisoning epidemics on a constant basis - yet none such have happened.

Actually there has been a vast food-poisoning epidemic caused by you. Since these people are dead they can not respond. Luckily this man survived long enough to ask the question: WTF??

By my calculations based on
  • The high toxin levels in your high meat recipe
  • The low immune system resistance to these types of toxins in newbies
  • Your supposed credibility as Global Moderator
  • The number of years you have been promoting this crazy idea
  • The traffic on this website
  • The gullibility of a lot of the newbies

The number of deaths is in the thousands. We will never know for sure because, of course, they are dead and can't tell us.

Have you no conscience Sir? Does a human life mean nothing to you?

Merry Christmas

Hot Topics / Re: Possible high-meat poisoning/questions
« on: December 26, 2010, 06:21:04 am »
If your dumb enough to try it again, may you rest in peace.

More than 125, 000 people are hospitalized, and 3,000 die from food-borne illnesses each year, according to data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in December 2010. The findings were a slight improvement from a 1999 CDC report, that found approximately 1 in 4 Americans became sick from food, and 5,000 died annually.

Laboratory techniques and tracking methods of food-borne illnesses have improved since the 1990’s, noted Chris Braden, acting director of the division of food-borne, waterborne and environmental diseases. Food poisoning is a highly preventable health issue that costs billions of dollars, added Braden.

Salmonella is the number one food contaminant, causing nearly one-third of food-borne hospitalizations and deaths, according to CDC data. Salmonella is a bacterial disease that strikes the intestinal tract.

The most commonly recognized foodborne infections are those caused by the bacteria Campylobacter, Salmonella, and E. coli O157:H7, and by a group of viruses called calicivirus, also known as the Norwalk and Norwalk-like viruses.

Campylobacter is a bacterial pathogen that causes fever, diarrhea, and abdominal cramps.  It is the most commonly identified bacterial cause of diarrheal illness in the world.  These bacteria live in the intestines of healthy birds, and most raw poultry meat has Campylobacter on it.  Eating undercooked chicken, or other food that has been contaminated with juices dripping from raw chicken is the most frequent source of this  infection.

Salmonella is also a bacterium that is widespread in the intestines of birds, reptiles and mammals.  It can spread to humans via a variety of different foods of animal origin.  The illness it causes, salmonellosis, typically includes fever, diarrhea and abdominal cramps.  In persons with poor underlying health or weakened immune systems, it can invade the bloodstream and cause life-threatening infections.

E. coli O157:H7 is a bacterial pathogen that has a reservoir in cattle and other similar animals.  Human illness typically follows consumption of food or water that has been contaminated with microscopic amounts of cow feces.  The illness it causes is often a severe and bloody diarrhea and painful abdominal cramps, without much fever.   In 3% to 5% of cases, a complication called hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) can occur several weeks after the initial symptoms.  This severe complication includes temporary anemia, profuse bleeding, and kidney failure.

Calicivirus, or Norwalk-like virus is an extremely common cause of foodborne illness, though it is rarely diagnosed, because the laboratory test is not widely available.  It causes an acute gastrointestinal illness, usually with more vomiting than diarrhea, that resolves within two days.  Unlike many foodborne pathogens that have animal reservoirs, it is believed that Norwalk-like viruses spread primarily from one infected person to another.  Infected kitchen workers can contaminate a salad or sandwich as they prepare it, if they have the virus on their hands.  Infected fishermen have contaminated oysters as they harvested them.

Some common diseases are occasionally foodborne, even though they are usually transmitted by other routes.  These include infections caused by Shigella, hepatitis A, and the parasites Giardia lamblia and Cryptosporidia.  Even strep throats have been transmitted occasionally through food.

In addition to disease caused by direct infection, some foodborne diseases are caused by the presence of a toxin in the food that was produced by a microbe in the food.  For example, the bacterium Staphylococcus aureus can grow in some foods and produce a toxin that causes intense vomiting.  The rare but deadly disease botulism occurs when the bacterium Clostridium botulinum grows and produces a powerful paralytic toxin in foods.  These toxins can produce illness even if the microbes that produced them are no longer there.

General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 26, 2010, 04:00:18 am »
We will always be at odds with big corporations and agribusiness. Profits come before public health and even mortality rates. McDonalds Corp. is very aware that its food is harmful to the health. Mass media and governments are funded and controlled by the corporations.

Grassroot organizations are the only way around beast. Join the Weston/Price foundation if you can. Joining and starting local natural food organizations that market direct from farm to consumer is awesome.

You can get the word out through some media. Mother Earth News does do radical articles that make ecologic sense. Ther are others.

Locally I am involved with community gardens and small grass fed farming operations.

The current status quo is not sustainable and will go down sooner or later.

Peace on Earth.

General Discussion / Re: How long do you store meat?
« on: December 26, 2010, 03:40:25 am »
For long storage the larger the cut of meat the better. A big top sirloin roast is wonderful.

As long as the surface dries out good I have not had spoilage problems at any temperature, from room to refrigerater. I always store it on a wire rack so the surface does not get moist. I also like to dry it in front of a fan for the first day. After a day at room temp the enzymes make even the toughest cut tender. The texture gets much better also.

If you have trouble with mold or flies try rubbing the surface with sea salt and ground black pepper.

I purchase ground beef because it is economical and I can add ground heart, herbs and spices. This stores for over a week in the frig in a vacuum CANNISTER. Got my cannisters on Ebay, they are indispensible for slowing oxidation and spoilage. I keep this in frig.

Happy Holidays

Hot Topics / Re: Possible high-meat poisoning/questions
« on: December 26, 2010, 03:18:33 am »
There is a high probability you ate toxic substances in the meat. Salmonella is quite common even when you are not trying to create poisons. Your nose warned you.

Because there are a few people who have built up tolerance to these poisons over a long time does not make you immune.

Glad to hear you survived.

General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 25, 2010, 09:07:31 am »

Its up to us to develop a new science based on stimulating positive genetic expression by wholesome means. We can build a life were the DNA is kept pure from contamination and is exposed only to the best nutrition , and a life style were the thrills of the hunt can be reasonably simulated, a life with real pourpose that will drive us to new peaks of experience . If technology were to be properly harnessed then its possible to develop protocol that would insure the health vitality and happiness for people, from an evolutionary perspective. This wont happen on a large scale due to the nature of how the world works, but for a few pioneers there should be enough space on this big blue rock to attain this Ideal on a small scale.

Perhaps we should set up a charitable research foundation that supports young couples willing to start a raw paleo omnivore nutrition and exercise program months before conception (if they can last that long). In exchange for financial support to purchase the most nutritious organic grass-fed food; the foundation gets to publish statistics on the children. Let's prove it to the world. Get us back on the right track.

Any volunteers? Become an evolutionary pioneer. Get started on the fast track. Please see the personal add section of this forum. Instead of writing a book lets make some babies. I'm a little too old to be raising children but would be more than happy to supply stud services if there is a shortage of healthy young men.

Philanthropists take note: The "Raw Paleo Nutrition and Exercise Research Foundation" is now accepting tax deductible donations. Forward to a healthier yesterday.

General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 25, 2010, 08:47:05 am »

I knew what was happening during my childhood wasn't anywhere near Ideal but I was poor and didn't have a choice. Now I am still fairly poor but I make more money that my mother made and am determined to spend every penny I have toward providing good living for my family. My goal is to incorporate paleo food into my children's diet and strictly limit questionable foods. Then let nature take its course and prey they are well enough to endure the occasional birthday party food, or piece of candy. Sometimes I wonder how much force I can put behind setting strict dietary standards, without being a fanatic. I am constantly lecturing my family on the dangers of letting children have unlimited amounts of processed foods and candy.

I spent 15 years fighting this battle. It helps if you have a spouse who is cooperative. I did not. The schools are a real problem. They survive on government commodities. If you pack a lunch peer pressure will be almost impossible to deal with. If you don't keep lecturing and being a good example the kids will just go to the neighbors house and eat crap while playing video games all day. You pretty much have to take it to a religious level and be a fanatic. Turn your children into missionaries. The pain and suffering of the unbelievers is pretty obvious. If you persevere your children will be smarter, stronger, faster, and proud of it. Others will take notice. The rewards are huge.

General Discussion / Re: Ate raw beef today. Virginity lost.
« on: December 25, 2010, 08:34:30 am »
I like the heading of this post. One thing I am positively sure of is that fertility and virility are way enhanced by raw meat and seafood.
Extra rare steak and oysters on the half shell. Oh yes. Yes indeed.

General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 18, 2010, 11:53:10 pm »
The Price/Pottinger studies suggest that poor nutrition of our mothers affects our health and physical development. This physical degeneration is cumulative as it is passed down through the generations. The human cultures surrounding the Mediterranian have been on the grain/bean starch/sugar diets the longest.

Could this be why African Americans are on the average are so physically superior to European descendants like me?

Could this be why it seems impossible for ancient cultures to have built the stone structures in ruins all around the world without machinery? They were just amazing physical powerhouses on paleo nutrition? Pre-degeneration.

The best book I have read on this subject is "Evolving Health" by Noel Boaz. He takes it back to single cell.

General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 17, 2010, 11:43:56 pm »
I started with the basic philosophy that our bodies are perfectly adapted to a prehistoric diet through millions of years of evolution. Billions actually. Prehistoric food growing, gathering, and hunting conditions  no longer exhist on earth. Revolutionary changes during the past few thousand years went far to quickly for our bodies to adapt and evolve.  My nutrition research goes farther back than our recent ancestors or even paleo. I make feble attempts to try and recreat the past but it is a constant challange. Organic garden helps and buying directly from grass based farmers/ranchers. Hunting is good. Organ meats are great.

I think you are on the right track eating raw grass-fed meat and wild seafood with small wild type berries, nuts, and seeds. Some wild type root vegetables are probably ok. I consume fermented dairy but am aware it is not optimal. We are designed to have raw milk for the first couple of years in life if not longer.

Off Topic / Good Books, Please Add Yours
« on: December 15, 2010, 06:17:12 am »
The Inflammation Syndrome: The Complete Nutritional Program to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, Arthritis, Diabetes, Allergies, Asthma - by Jack Challem

The Paleo Diet for Athletes - by Loren Cordain PhD and Joe Friel MS

Much Depends on Dinner: The extraordinary History and Mythology, Allure and Obsessions, Perils and Taboos, of an Ordinary Meal - by Margaret Visser

Food, Inc - A documentary film by Robert Kenner

The Jungle - by Upton Sinclair

Fast Food Nation - by Eric Schlosser

The Book of Coffee and Tea, by Joel Schapira

The Paleo Diet - by Loren Cordain

The Evolution Diet: What & How We Are Designed to Eat - by Joseph Morse

Field Guide to North American Edible Wild Plants - by Thomas Elias and Peter Dykeman

Nutrition Almanac - by Gayla & John Kirschmann

Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants - by Bradford Angier

The Whole Beast: Nose to Tail Eating - by Fergus Henderson

Mother Earth News magazine

The Road Less Traveled - M. Scott Peck, M.D.

All books about evolution, raw food nutrition, primates, foraging, fishing and hunting

Empty Harvest, by Dr. Bernard Jensen and Mark Anderson

The Ascent of Man, by J Bronowski

Vanishing Peoples of the Earth, by National Geographic Society

Fermented Foods, Natural Enzymatic Therapy, by T.H. Yellowdawn

Successful Berry Growing, by Gene Logsdon

Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers, by Stephen Buhner

Know Your Fats: The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils, and Cholesterol, by Mary Enig PhD

The Origin of Humankind, by Richard Leakey

Traditional Foods are Your Best Medicine, by Ronald Schmid N.D.

150 Healthiest Foods on Earth, by Jonny Bowden PhD

Real Age Makeover, by Michael Roizen M.D.

Evolving Health, The Origins of Illness and How the Modern World is Making Us Sick, by Noel T. Boaz

All Flesh is Grass, by Gene Logsdon

The Art of Making Fermented Sausages, by Stanley and Adam Marianski

The Art of Happiness, by Howard Cutter M.D.

Nourishing Traditions, by Sally Fallon

Wild Fermentation, by Sandor Katz

Silent Spring, by Rachel Carson

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston Price D.D.S.

Pro Evolution, Guideline for and Age of Joy, by Tomotom Stifhung

Butchering Processing and Preservation of Meat, by Frank Ashbrook

Pottinger's Cats, by Francis Pottenger M.D.


Just to make things explicit - what indicators do folks use here to determine if they have inflamation or not?

Inflammation is the body's response to damage from the environment. Indicators are disease, swelling, stinky-irregular-loose bowel movements, pain, confusion, weight gain, mental and physical weakness, impotence, cancer, deformed problematic children, and runny noses.

These indicators are alleviated by living in accordance with our biological evolutionary heritage and avoiding any environmental conditions changed by man. Easier said than done.

This is a pretty good book on the subject:

"The Inflammation Syndrome: The Complete Nutritional Program to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, Arthritis, Diabetes, Allergies, Asthma" - by Jack Challem

General Discussion / Re: Wisdom teeth?
« on: December 12, 2010, 08:25:50 am »
I've not read the Pottenger stuff.

So, Cats eating raw grain-fed meat were less healthy than cats eating modern processed cat-foods..? This seems extremely important information..

Is it a lot of reading to get much out of the studies, or is there a more manageable summary?

"Pottenger's Cats" is a small book of about 100 pages. There is a chapter that shows x-rays of childrens' heads showing deformities resulting from "disturbed nutrition" of the mother during pregnancy. On the back of the book it says:

"The consumption of cooked meat or heat-processed milk resulted in physical deterioration, which increased with each generation. The animals became infested with vermin and parasites. Skin diseases and allergies increased in some cases by over 90%. Bones became soft and pliable.  The cats experienced adverse personality changes as well as hypothyroidism, and came to suffer from most of the degenerative diseases seen in humans. The third generation did not even live long enough to reproduce."

The study found that consuming raw meat and cooked milk was as bad as cooked meat and raw milk. Eating raw meat from confinement raised cows was almost as bad as cooked meat. Raw meat from cows eating fresh green grass was the best. The healthiest cats were the ones that hunted their own food outside the cages and ate the whole mouse.

In another experiment he planted seeds in the empty cages of  raw food fed cats and cooked food fed cats. The book shows pictures of the lush big healthy plants in the raw food cages and the sparse small plants in the cooked food cages. Amazing.

Dr. Price's book is long and tedious, however I found it fascinating and it changed my life so so much for the better. I'm almost 60 and feel better and my body & mind perform better than at 20. Well worth the read. It is in fact "extremely important information".


General Discussion / Re: Wisdom teeth?
« on: December 11, 2010, 08:36:03 am »
Weston Price, DDS traveled the world in the 1930s studying primitive cultures not exposed to western diets. He took pictures of the inhabitants and the skulls in grave sites dating back thousands of years They all had nice wide pallets with no tooth crowding or cavities.

Once these groups were exposed to sugars, grains, and beans their cranial structure became warped. Among other things.

The conclusion he drew was that the expression of the genes was altered because of poor nutrition of the mother during critical stages of development of the fetus growing inside her. All the groups he studied instinctively gave the best food available to young women of child bearing age.

It is also possible that genes can be altered during formation of the eggs and sperm prior to conception. The Pottenger studies found that the deformities could not be reversed in subsequent generations.

Dr. Francis Pottenger came to the same conclusion after 20 years doing experiments with cat nutrition. Pasteurized milk, cooked meat, and grain fed  animal meat severely affected the cats' offsprings' bone structure and metabolism. By the third generation they could not even reproduce.

There is also evidence that breast feeding has some effect, both nutritionally and physically.

It was a hard pill to swallow when I read about this. It is hard for most people to accept.

I spent thousands of dollars on dentists and orthodontists, and had sinus problems because of what my mother ate while she carried me.  My own mother. She was and is still unaware.

I have a son who is engaged to be married to a vegetarian. If they have children there will be problems.

The difference between diet and nutrition is that diet is what you are currently eating. Nutrition encompasses what nourishment your received since conception. Possibly even pre-conception.

General Discussion / Re: Senate Bill 510
« on: December 06, 2010, 09:01:51 am »
I used to get grass fed raw milk and meat from a young couple with 3 kids and another on the way. They were into the back to nature thing. I would go out to their little farm every week. I started to notice things were not quite right. There would be bloated dead animals lying around full of maggots and flies everywhere. The kids always had dirty diapers. They never had time to clean the house. They filled a refrigerator with food, the frig quit working and they left the food in there for months. The whole family was very sick and bedridden at least half the time. I am not exaggerating.

I found a cleaner source for my milk and meat.

These people went to the farmers market every week and sold milk, cheese, meat, and baked goods. Do you think their food was safe for children? There was no one I could report them to like the health department in the restaurant industry.

I have mixed feeling about Senate Bill 510. It may cause some small producers to quit selling openly. The good ones will raise their prices slightly to cover the costs and meet basic sanitation standards. The people I get my milk and meat from now will not go out of business if the bill passes.

Either way, you should always visit the producers who you buy from. At the Weston Price Foundation you can find information on what to look for at a milking operation. Almost all meat processors are already federally or state regulated. Wash fruit and veggies even if they are organic. Take the time to prepare your own food.


General Discussion / Re: Cheap cod liver oil
« on: December 06, 2010, 08:33:45 am »
Go outside. Take your shirt off. Make a garden. Run. Bike. Swim. You will look and feel great.

Hot Topics / Re: Pets who eat RAF
« on: December 04, 2010, 08:13:24 am »
Just got a couple of goldfish. I looked at the ingredients on the fish food container. Looks like the ingredients on supermarket foods for humans.

I dried my turkey liver at Thanksgiving and chopped it up real small. The fish go crazy for it. They also like my naturally fermented veggies which surprised me because they don't like fresh greens. They also like my raw milk cheese and raw beef. We have a lot in common. You go back in the evolutionary history and we were once aquatic. An early stage human fetus has gills and a tail.

Hot Topics / Re: Sprouts anyone?
« on: December 04, 2010, 08:05:18 am »
I've got an Easygreen sprouter I keep going all winter when the garden is out of production. I use a combination of alfalfa, clover, radish,  flax, amaranth, quinoa, and cabbage. I eat a lot in my salad every day, it a perfect food.

I also grow wheat grass, mash it in a mortar & pestal, thin it with a little water and drink. What a rush.

General Discussion / Re: my cat caught me a mouse... should I?
« on: December 03, 2010, 04:02:03 am »
Eat the liver for sure. Don't think twice it's all right. Let the carcass dry age, the meat will become tender and you can suck it off the bones. Or if the bones aren't too hard eat those too. If the bones are hard use them as toothpicks. I have a 1920's National Geographic that tells about Eskimos catching small birds and just eating the whole thing. They had nice teeth.

At the very least give it back to the cat.

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