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milks of other mammals are very unbalanced foods for humans, and degrades too quickly outside of the mammal when truly raw, it's not a good idea unless it's completely fresh and in moderation, so I didn't forget anything

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The opposite is true.

"Factory salmon farms often confine hundreds of thousands of fish in highly restrictive net pens for all of their adult life. By one estimate, a mature salmon has the equivalent of a bathtub of ocean water. As one fish biologist remarked, "Within one sea loch we've got 25 times as many farm salmon as there are wild salmon for the whole west coast of Scotland."

Salmon farms, consequently, are ideal incubators for parasites and infectious diseases that are then spread to adjacent farms and to wild fish. These outbreaks are impossible to quarantine; mass escapes from salmon farms and the normal flow of tides and currents spread diseases and parasites to other fish over very wide areas."

source:
http://www.puresalmon.org/diseases_parasites.html

The rest of your post is full of errors in reasoning, "anecdotal evidence is still evidence" is like saying "superstitious thinking is still thinking". adjectives change the meaning of the words following them, they aren't "the same" in the sense that anecdotal evidence isn't near as concrete as some other kinds of evidence or reasoning just like superstitious thinking isn't hardly any good at all. Even double blind studies can be biased or narrow minded/misleading based on monetary incentives and such things, nothing in life is foolproof, the best bet has always been deductive reasoning of a trained mind, you have to train your own mind to think for itself rather than simply take in information from websites telling you things like raw food is good because it's "pure" or that governments are evil because they try to influence populations away from living off of potato chips with food guide pyramids, since they are not perfect entities, just forces to try and help maintain order.

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The safest possible raw foods are fruits, eggs, and meats like lamb or beef which had healthy environments and circumstances of their own.

Seafood or wild game and sickly animals like mass-farmed poultry or farm raised salmon would be the most dangerous.

It does not matter if many people get along fine on something (or seem to). Many people get along fine on many things when others don't. Just look at allergens, people dying from simple colds in hospitals, etc. Everything is relative to a body's health state. It is not wise to advocate something potentially dangerous to others just because it works for you, although that would not stop anyone at curezone from advocating false therapies like magnetic crystals, liver flushes, pyramid healing, megadosing, parasites being beneficial, drinking urine, you name it. Yes people can survive on all of those "diets", but it doesn't mean they have any concrete logical basis. It's my hope that rawpaleodietforum does not turn into curezone by getting the attention of "sheeple" who believe everything they read or try and correlate the truth to be whatever their personal story implies.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A really Interesting Discovery
« on: April 27, 2014, 03:35:36 am »
That is the same defense used by all superstitious believers - "my idea is right, you are just too lazy or unwilling to investigate it for yourselves"

except there are countless ideas out there to investigate, in order for yours to warrant our time and energy instead of others, there has to be some glimmer of hope that it's logical to begin with.

Nobody expects unshakable proof about live blood analysis as that's unrealistic, just something more than "I read, heard, saw, and concluded without investigating alternative conclusions so therefore I believe."

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A really Interesting Discovery
« on: April 24, 2014, 10:05:48 pm »
If she physically showed you what parasites in the blood look like, how do you know that it wasn't a trick of some sort?

Everything you are talking about is based on the assumption that what she showed you came from and consisted of what she told you it did and what you were led to believe that you were seeing.

What is interesting is that all of your focus is spent on dwelling on the results that stem from this flakey assumption, rather than verifying that the assumption is valid, which, after more investigation into the validity, would make this a truly interesting discovery.

There are a couple reasons human behavior would warrant not investigating the validity, but rather dwell on perceived results:

Can't verify validity
Are afraid of negative outcome
Maybe some others but those are the most likely

Now everyone that reads this thread can take it into the correct context - it is just as "interesting" as someone who believes in a bible or qur'an or other information, based on assumptions that aren't validated and propogated by people who believe it without validiting it as well.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 16, 2014, 07:14:07 am »
Tylerdurden:

The anti-aquaticapetheory website you posted is just that, a view against it, what matters is if the website has any substantial claims (claims having logical validity). When I first viewed the website, long, long ago, I didn't find any. That's why when arguing, I prefer to use actual logical claims, rather than tell you to reference all of wikipedia or google in order to correct every flaw in your reasoning.

By using the childish act of merely posting an entire website to support your stance for or against something, you outline your inability to critically think for yourself.

Furthermore, what the aquaticape.org website does is single out every aspect of aquatic/semiaquatic ape theory and its variants and give alternative reasons/circumstances besides aquatic ones in which our adaptations could have happened/could have been caused by. If you single out every aspect of something like this on any topic, you miss the big picture and cannot connect the dots to see a relational model presenting the conclusion right under your nose. If there was only one feature that suggested aquatic history, then it would be far fetched. If there are a lot of features suggesting aquatic history, yet only a few people believe it, then it's not far fetched, just unpopular, as all non-far fetched ideas which challenge orthodox strongholds are in their infancy.

Similarly, there is no such thing as absolute proof in our world outside of imaginative constructs like math - that is what that website and all other websites which have the weakest possible defense to an idea relies on - since absolute proof doesn't exist, or you can't absolutely prove something to be right or wrong, then as long as I can divide and conquer each aspect of your theories then no one should give it a second thought. And thus goes the weak minded stance of bias, rather than deduction.

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About cold adaptation without fur, you have not demonstrated that we can survive for long periods (thousands of years) in a quantifiably cold/harsh environment without relying on technology, which is all that I'm getting at. Without the aid of fire, or products of animals (whether it be grease or their furs), or other technological thinking, then we could not survive those environments. You have not shown, nor will you ever (since they don't exist) a people which have lived in these environments as anything more than a temporary necessity without the aid of technology.

All mammals have a natural habitat. No mammal can withstand every range of temperature or climate. All mammals can adapt to their climate over time, but what our body is currently and was most recently adapted to is not climates like the arctic or the desert (without technology), or in frequently freezing temperatures and wet climates without natural shelters (and without technology). The fact is, that we had to evolve on land somewhere without the help of technology in the beginning. Our bodies are still adapted to a climate such as a tropical savanna (with bodies of water) or similar, which means that if we did adapt to colder climates, it was after the use of technology rather than bodily adaptations.

Higher metabolisms are not the magical answer to everything you seem to think they are. If they were, every animal would just "increase metabolism" to combat everything. The problem is we live in a world where energy is costly, so you can't just "use super high metabolisms all day" without paying a high price in energy - which is why it makes absolutely no sense and if you lived somewhere as a species for a lengthy time (tens of thousands of years) you would adapt by making the energy expenditure much less with fur or feathers or something besides high metabolism, unless of course you had tools which allowed you to eat much more than is natural due to having unique advantages of killing/processing/cooking large amounts of food (or growing it). I would just love to see you chase down an animal to exhaustion without the use of tools, animal grease or fur or any clothing or technological aid, in the cold of winter, in a harsly cold environment, routinely, to feed your increased metabolism. By the way good luck outlasting a furred mammal when you're chasing it in the cold, and good luck exhausting it without weapons.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 14, 2014, 09:03:16 am »
TylerDurden:

Bodies of water can provide shelter from rain and high winds by cooling your body at a lesser rate than the colder rain/colder wind. A rate your body can keep up with. Just because the air outside of our bodies may be 72 degrees fahrenheit, and our internal temperatures are around 98.6 degrees fahrenheit, doesn't mean that 72 degree weather will kill us. Use thorough reasoning, it appears you are grasping at every straw you can to sustain a stubborn position with ideas you like.

A simple search on google reveals that the Yaghans did not just simply adapt to the colder climate through depositing more body fat (every human can do this, and they can also use a special type of body fat called brown fat which generates much more heat). What they also did is build frequent fires, build rock shelters, and cover themselves in animal grease which they killed by using technology not their body fat. Logical errors abound in your posts. Your words are not to be trusted.

There is a reason almost all medium-large mammals have fur and that the ones who don't typically have other means of shelter like going underground. It is extremely rare to be as naked as we are and not be underground-dwelling. It is extremely rare for any land mammal to have subcutaneous body fat. It is extremely common for aquatic/semiaquatic life to have subcutaneous (attached to the skin) body fat. Wake up.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 09, 2014, 12:22:26 pm »
@TylerDurden

You are right that humans are much better adapted to cold when they are truly healthy (not just muscular or athletic). Some of the healthiest people in the world, true tibetan monks, can withstand such cold temperatures overnight with minimal clothing that it left scientists baffled.

The reasons this is possible is because:
Extreme health allows ideal CO2 levels, which dilates blood vessels and helps circulation
They have adapted their bodies to the cold over time via brown fat - a special kind of "warmer" fat that generates heat like muscle and is developed by subjecting bare skin to cold temperatures
They can relatively effortlessly raise their body temperature, through faster metabolism, in response to their environment, as many healthy animals do

However, due to our lack of fur, we have a remarkable ability to rapidly cool ourselves by sweating. Unfortunately, as soon as there is any rain+cold weather+wind, we will die soon when naked in freezing weather no matter how healthy you are. That is why animals like us either stay where it is warm, and only in rare cases do we need to take shelter in things like mud or water for rainstorms. (bodies of water for protection against wind chill)

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 03, 2014, 09:58:14 am »
Pretend you are Sherlock Holmes and deduce our natural habitat and optimal habitat (as they are different things) like it was a crime scene.

That is what I have done and I've explored more information than most people who only conceive about continents and other apes.

1. We can deduce from our furless body, location of fat stuck to our skin, natural underwater instincts since birth, and voluntary breath control that we lived in an aquatic environment that was so persistent and long lasting that such profound evolutionary adaptations emerged. We are relatively unique from other apes in this way (our skin and breathing).

2. We can deduce from our upright walking ability that we lived on the ground (as opposed to trees), that it must have been very mild/warm and humid (for without fur and without clothing, we would not survive cold winters).

3. We can deduce that we probably ate a wide range of foods, including aquatic food like mussels on beaches, to fruits, based on our aquatic adaptations and the adaptations of our eye to see in color (necessary for navigating terrain to find colorful food). One of the main reasons we ate fruits was probably for hydration. Unlike modern diets, if you eat fruits with high water content, and raw food such as mussels or insects, you don't need to supplement with pure drinking water.

So in rapid conclusion, it is easy to see through deduction that we spent most of our evolutionary past (in the stage that we are in now), before widespread use of tools, in a semi-aquatic warm/humid environment. Probably this environment was along beaches, rivers, or most likely swamp lands with tropical forests nearby. Back then, carbon dioxide levels would have been much higher and as a result, plant life would have been much richer and the environment slightly more stable in terms of temperature. We are one of the only species that I know of that survived given our dependence on mild climates due to our eventual exploitation of tools, which led to our ability to kill larger animals, and using those animal furs for warmth.

As far as what our optimal habitat is, a good example would be Norfolk Island (without the modernization of course).


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General Discussion / Re: Are there "healthy and unhealthy foods"?
« on: February 26, 2014, 01:15:45 am »
@Sorentus if cooked beef makes your intestines inflame then you have a specific response to it which is not the norm. In this case you have environmental events in your body's life history that make cooked beef much more harmful than the norm. I said cooking may help some sick people, not all. Almost everything related to our diet is at least somewhat variable and dependent on circumstances. I used cooking as an example to show how something ridiculous even has it's potential uses. For example, cooking still has and had for thousands of years immense practicality in keeping food edible when there was not as much freedom for healthy raw beef or other raw food around (such as when standing armies were travelling).

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General Discussion / Re: Are there "healthy and unhealthy foods"?
« on: February 26, 2014, 01:02:40 am »
@Iguana

Gently cooking food which is already suitable for human consumption (such as raw beef) increases the quantity of harmful substances in the beef and removes many of the beneficial substances. However, there is also a beneficial effect that it makes the meat easier to digest. We normally don't need this extra help, but when sick, especially severely sick, the more time we spend not digesting food the better our bodies can recover. Over the long term, this would not be good because eventually we would have to eat more cooked beef to sustain ourselves as equally as raw beef (as well as supplement with other foods) and spend more time digesting food and ingest much more harmful or neutral substances in the process which bog us down.

It is likely that high meat and other decayed foodstuffs advocated here capitlize on this phenomenon as well (alongside other potential benefits like ingesting symbiotic bacteria). What I mean is, that it could turn out that aging meat has the property of breaking the meat down, similar to how it will eventually need to be broken down in our bodies, so that it is easier to digest for us or in a simpler form already when we eat the partially decayed meat. This would give our body more energy than normal as it wouldn't have to work as hard to extract energy from food. The only reason cooking doesn't do this properly is because of all the harm it does on top of the predigestion that doesn't equalize over a long diet duration. Also, cooking is very incomplete predigestion as compared to bacterial "aging".

For example, many people use high speed blenders to blend their foodstuffs, unknowingly this has a beneficial effect of physically breaking the food up as it would be done by the teeth, and even on the cellular level due to friction just like in cooking. As the high speed blades cut the foodstuffs, small portions of the food are heated similar to cooking, and since this cutting happens many times per minute, it adds up to a great deal of heat applied to specific portions of the foodstuff. For this reason, many raw food groups prohibit the use of high speed blenders as it is a form of heating food beyond what the cells can handle.

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General Discussion / Re: Are there "healthy and unhealthy foods"?
« on: February 25, 2014, 10:40:58 am »
1. Foods contain substances.

2. Substances have three potential properties which can be present simultaneously: beneficial, harmful, or neutral.

3. Composition of food properties is variable based on past environmental events and genetic properties of the human body.

4. Effects of food properties are variable based on past environmental events of the human body and genetic properties.

4. Environmental events are events that add, subtract, or alter something in the human body or in the food to be consumed.

5. Some typical environmental events are temperature changes, nutritional changes, physical adaptations and aging.

6. Environmental events have variables within themselves which modify their effect such as duration, intensity, synergy, and neutralization.

Due to all of these interrelated factors, the effects of foods can be variable from one individual to the next. What is ideal for everyone regardless of individual circumstances is to eat only as much as is needed for your intended use of your body. Overeating for chemical effects of the brain can only lead to harmful effects, although this may be so minimally harmful as to be negligent in some individuals. Duration and quantity of overeating is an important factor which correlates to the degree of harmful effect.

How much is needed for your intended use of your body is difficult to quantify due to a lack of reliable data.  Hearsay and opinion are not reliable data as what works at one time for one body may not have the same effect(s) on another body.

Sick bodies may fare better on cooked foods which have harmful effects compared to some raw foods because the environment of the body is different at that time, unable to digest as efficiently the raw food. The harmful effects of cooked food are not as harmful as the harmful effects of raw food straining the body at that time due to the temporary weakness of the body. However, some golden rules still apply such as only eating as much as is necessary. It is also a golden rule that you need to eat at least as much as is necessary, and since it is impossible to know what the exact amount you need is, it is important not to eat for feelings of comfort, but rather for feelings of hunger.

The final piece of the puzzle is that what is absolutely best for us is rarely what our brains infer us to do moment to moment. Therefore the practical reality is that every human exploits for their individual circumstance the practical balance of eating behaviors in order to balance emotional satisfaction and bodily well being. The healthier a body becomes, the easier it is to attain emotional satisfaction from a wider variety of foods. Therefore, correct methods of exercise and an active lifestyle and other healthy lifestyle factors directly correlate to the ability to eat more for bodily well-being than emotional satisfaction.

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Is there any reason that soaking raw organs/meat in a hydrochloric acid solution before ingesting (stronger than our stomach acid, like a carnivores stomach) to kill any parasites would not work? (obviously, neutralizing the soaked organs/meat with an alkaline solution afterwards so that you don't burn your tongue/throat)

I know the parasite thing is over-hyped, but it would just put my mind at ease that much more. There must be something I'm missing though as I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet.

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General Discussion / Re: The Ideal Computer Posture / Chair
« on: February 24, 2014, 10:43:46 am »
it's just another peddler of similar things like alexander technique. Of course they work if you spend hours doing them or combine them with physical exercise, eating healthy, etc, because athletic people have better posture through more healthy bodies naturally. However, if you work long periods at a computer like many modern people, you are not out hiking every day or spending hours doing exercises. That is hardly practical for the majority of people and that's why these methods sell books and chairs but very few people actually follow through meaning it very seldom actually works. Therefore, it's not easy enough to be practical for "everybody" like they claim. What is practical for nearly everybody, is simply purchasing a chair. Not to mention that website's chair has a lot of things wrong with it such as cushioning. It doesn't matter how many flashy trademarks they put on their text to convince you they know what they're doing, a hard surface such as wood naturally sends feedback from your nervous system (in the buttocks for example) to your brain telling your subconcious how to erect yourself - hold your back upright. The moment you sit on a cushioned seat, that communication line is dampened and slouching naturally results after some time in people who are not already healthy/fit. That is why their chair needs and utilizes the backrest 99% of the time. The backrest is there to substitute the correct posture that naturally happens on a hard surface, and this substition is no better than wearing crocks to walk on concrete when you should be walking barefoot on grass, or use better shoe technology (just as an analogy, feet are not as important usually as they are less of a problem for most).

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General Discussion / The Ideal Computer Posture / Chair
« on: February 23, 2014, 01:06:01 pm »
I know this post seems simple, but the benefits are profound for anyone who uses a computer regularly.

Using computers for long periods keeps us in a relatively fixed position, causing strain on our bodies. Our bodies were meant to be in a dynamic state, even when standing we naturally shift positions. When sleeping, if sleeping on a natural surface such as napping outside in the grass on a perfect-weather day, we naturally shift positions during sleep. Walking is one of the most dynamic and natural positions for us, and many people can actually walk at a slow pace longer than they can sit up straight. Even when they can't walk any more, it's usually because of foot pain due to our modern footwear and modern surfaces rather than due to back pain.

This is all because sitting up straight is a relatively static position, even if your top half is swaying back and forth, your legs may not be, etc. The ideal computer position is one which puts you in a dynamic state without causing you to be unbalanced. Consider a large inflated air ball as a chair for example, while it seems these might be good for the back by making you sit up straight all of the time, they are really confining your waist to very limited movement, and same for upper thighs, which is where most of the strain is being put due to no back support or movement.

While not as good as walking, the ideal position to be in while working on a computer isn't standing either, because even standing is not enough movement. Even walking in a fixed direction on a treadmill desk is not ideal, because of several subtle reasons (the walking speed of treadmills is fixed and unnatural, manual treadmills are too effort-intense, automatic treadmills also are very confined which is not true natural walking movements, and also the flat surface is bad) and starting and stopping the treadmill every 10 seconds or so is not practical. Therefore, the ideal computer posture/chair, is a rocking chair which has all hard surfaces, like this one:

NOTE: this is not the one I use, I have never used it, and don't recommend it, it is just an image to give you an idea.



The rocking mechanism allows you to easily shift your weight and release pressure on static buildup points on your body. This can be instantaneously started/stopped by rocking with no conscious effort and so it is practical. The hard surface is necessary because it allows your body to be aware of the surface and therefore erect properly (as opposed to a cushion) as well as not constricting around the thighs/waist restricting movement, like a cushion does. When rocking on a slick hard surface, you actually move slightly back and forth in the seat naturally, which is good.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the rocking motion isn't actually the goal, the idea is to lean forward and hold that position as is natural when you use the mouse or keyboard, lean back when reading a line of text, move forward a little just to subconsciously adjust, all spread out over seconds or even minutes. It's not supposed to be an exercise - the purpose of the rocking range of motion is to allow you to shift your center of gravity off of the set of bones and muscles which are stressed due to prolonged static pressure.

Note: Rocking chairs such as the one in the picture are also not confined to one range of movement, as it's also easy to move side to side in them, especially when leaning forward, generally though, the higher the arc of the rocker legs, the easier the movement. If you have very thick carpets or some floor material which prevents sliding of wooden rocker chair legs from turning side to side, consider getting a hard but slick computer floor mat placed underneath it.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Frogs
« on: December 30, 2013, 11:28:48 pm »
after some research, it appears they harbor parasites so you have to cook them for safety

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Frogs
« on: December 30, 2013, 02:03:19 pm »
I am curious if anyone here eats raw frogs, and what kind of frogs are safe to eat raw (if any).
I particularly like the idea because in theory eating a whole frog gives you the whole package as we might have evolved on in nature - frog eyes, liver, skin, as well as ample muscles. There wouldn't be any need to mix raw cow liver with beef every now and then, you could just snack on tiny frogs all day long.

Seems it would also be pretty easy to breed them yourself if you wanted to, all you'd need is to dig out a pond and supply the initial population.

(I have never eaten a frog, maybe I am barking up the wrong tree..frog)

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: October 28, 2013, 02:19:41 am »
I'm not a healthy person, but I'm a very in depth and objective researcher. I usually post more questions than advice because it takes me further, but I noticed you have clued into something I found very interesting in other places on the internet.

The reason health is so dynamic and puzzling is because a persons specific healthy diet/lifestyle/ambient temps not only depends on the standard genetics, life history, and specific environment, but drastically on what health state they are at right now. Someone who is extremely healthy can just about eat any bacteria/rancid food they want and only  suffer diarrhea or vomiting. Someone who is sick fares better on cooked soup than raw food, because the mechanical ease of digestion from heat becomes more beneficial than enzyme activity, which is suppressed even if enzymes are present in raw foods, in sickly people.

However, the interesting thing is regarding ambient temperatures. For an unhealthy person, hot or warm temperatures (above 72 degrees fahrenheit) are by far more beneficial for them. Even though this results in breathing more volume and therefore depleting oxygen supply to all of their organs, this is their normal state in being unhealthy anyway, and cold temperatures shocks their body and taxes it with energy to keep warm which it does not have - thus the resulting need for blankets/heavier clothing or shivering. Coldness is miserable for sick people.

For a healthy person, hot temperatures that are comfortable or tolerable for an unhealthy person become either slightly irritating, or imperceptibly detrimental to their temporary health. For an average healthy person, too warm/hot body temperatures (due to too much clothing, no wind, etc) results in sweating, if there is no wind or very little exposed skin, it will become intolerable to not mouth breathe. Mouth breathing (like how a dog pants but less extreme) also evaporates heat, but also causes great losses in bodily carbon dioxide, which is absolutely necessary for oxygen to be delivered to organs (this is why you pass out when you hyperventilate, your brain shuts down due to lack of oxygen delivered to it, all the oxygen on the planet being in your lungs gets you nowhere by itself). 

For an extremely healthy person however, they can actually slow down their metabolism in adaptation to very hot environments (or too much clothing, etc), or speed it up in very cold environments, and can tolerate extreme temperatures that seem remarkable to science. Some true monks (not the jokes on youtube) have demonstrated this before, again the reason for their health is always because they practice breathing techniques, live a relatively traditional lifestyle with very little polution, etc. Unfortunately, extremely healthy people like this can tolerate just about any kind of raw/cooked diet, so it's hard to use them as a gauge for what is the best diet. It is also impossible to use sickly/chronically allergic people as a gauge for the best diet, because their best diet is determined by what doesn't shock their body, not necessarily what is the most all-around nutritious/least toxic per pound. Animal studies such as on capuchin monkeys are not relevant for many reasons but the prime example being that they live in a nearly perfect environment free of pollutions like electrical devices, smog, synthetic fabrics, and get plentiful exercise, sleep in the outdoors, etc, they are, by all standards, living an opposite life from modern humans. Nuts/plants with high defense mechanisms would be easily digested by such powerful stomach acid from such fit animals, and there in lies the problem with translating to us.

We also don't know how important things like freshness / the diets of our lower food chain are, or other factors. Of course it is easy to deduce that these things are valuable, but how much so, we have no clue really.

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Does anyone here eat only raw beef and the neighboring fat and raw organs? - No "partially cooked" raw beef half the time, no Oreo's on Sundays, no green vegetables, just raw beef and its fat/organs.

Theoretically I've been led to believe a human could sustain on just these things (and water). I am interested if it works for anyone.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Chewing of raw meat
« on: October 21, 2013, 12:21:32 pm »
Statement: Pain and pleasure are poor indicators of what is healthy/unhealthy for us.

Logic: Modern food is engineered to fool our senses and create addiction. Cultural upbringing to modern foods or natural foods unnaturally processed/heated creates habitual pleasures that would otherwise not exist.

Closure statement: Obviously.

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I also don't have the storage space to hang meat or a big freezer for that matter, but the place I'm buying beef from doesn't vacuum seal in plastic, so can I just store it in tupperware in the freezer? Bacteria won't multiply in the freezer for 30 days or less to a noticeable degree right?

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plastic doesn't seem like something bacteria can harvest, I don't see any common sense reason why they would like plastic..?
and the insides of most refrigerators/freezers are plastic aren't they?
I can see how the flexible plastic would be worse (like plastic wrap or ziplock bags) health-wise because of the stuff that's in the plastic to make it flexible is toxic and can scrape off into food, unlike firm plastic tupperware. Is the type of plastic you got sick from plastic wrap/ziplock type bags (flexible plastic)? Just curious.


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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Exercise v. Diet
« on: October 16, 2012, 08:24:54 pm »
The truth to this is unequivocally that diet and proper physical activity are very close to equally important.
By 'physical activity' I don't necessarily mean exercise. Many people sit for long periods of time and in furniture that is designed to let you be lazy and not keep your spine upright on your own, shoes etc affect our posture, laying down in soft beds prevents healthy turning/tossing during sleep to prevent static positions, all of that stuff violates our natural physical activity regimen which would be one of moving about, walking, mostly upright, barefoot, grounded to the earth electrically, etc.

Exercise is a specific branch of physical activity and it can be both good and bad just like with different versions of the same food (grain fed beef vs grass fed). For example, exercising while panting with your mouth open is going to severely starve your body of oxygen, cause your muscles to ache, cause you to feel like crap over extended periods of time and do pretty much nothing for you unless the only alternative was to be hospital bed-ridden or stuck in a wheel chair to let some part of your body atrophy from non-use, like legs+wheelchair.

On a grander scale, just about everything affects our health - toxic or healthy air, temperatures can affect health too (too cold vs too warm), electrical insulation or EMF pollution, toxins like lead pipes or BPA, all the way to things as simple as posture or breathing with the mouth instead of the nose, talking too much in real life can cause this if you do it improperly (people who give speeches are known to be very exhausted afterwards for example because they are in effect starving their body of oxygen).

It's usually the weakest link in this 'grand' scale that mostly decides what our health is like. For example someone who eats an ideal diet, and exercises the ideal amount, but only gets an hour of sleep each night, is not going to have a properly functioning body, but will recover much quicker than someone who is obese and sleeps enough each night (with the fat cells storing toxins from fast food).

So, in reality, Diet vs Exercise importance will shift as one or the other becomes the weakest link for the individual. The real mystery is what exactly is the best diet, and not just WHAT foods but HOW, WHEN, QUANTITY, etc. Same thing for exercise. I think it's pretty obvious that walking, jogging, or running are the ideal human exercises but factors like barefoot vs tennis shoes can be just as important as the WHAT. Factors like how you breathe when exercising, same story. Other factors like temperature and medium of exercise too (for example, swimming would be the most ideal exercise medium for people who have joint problems if it wasn't for the extremely toxic effect of chlorinated pools).

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So basically, not only do you eat unprocessed raw beef, you store it at fridge temperatures (not freezer temps?) without any plastic wrap..
I'm all for natural beef but there seems nothing natural in coating beef with fridge-bacteria.. regardless of whether or not anyone thinks or feels like it's healthy.
It's interesting though, I guess I'll just buy the unprocessed beef and use a saw to cut it into small enough portions to fit inside some Tupperware for my small freezer.

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Sorry but that just seems wrong to me, leaving it open to refrigerator air to get good bacteria? How do you know what bacteria is in my fridge, your fridge, or anyone's fridge?
I would never consider storing beef in the fridge anyway, I'd put it in the freezer and thaw it with warm water over a plastic bag just enough to chew it and eat it immediately.

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