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Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 19, 2017, 03:13:23 am »
Maybe instead of trying to figure out a ratio it's all about balance. What works one day might not work under a different set of circumstances on another day. I think if it were as simple as sticking to a ratio or formula that we would have figured it out a long time ago and we'd all be healthy all of the time. But we are not. I am feeling good right now on an anti kidney stone diet but I suppose there will come a time when it will be doing me more harm than good!

Yes exactly - balance.

So you had kidney stones and the way your eating, even with all the meat, is helping?
My brother in law goes to the the hospital yearly for kidney stones, but he does a body builder type of diet usually (eats fastfood burgers etc...though) and if I told him to eat raw & fatty meat/organs instead hed never believe me nor want to believe it. 🤷🏻???

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 18, 2017, 11:08:31 pm »
Weird. I eat a lot of fruit at night and throughout the day and meat in the morning and afternoon. I used to only eat between the hours of noon and 8 pm and fast the rest of the day but since going raw I been getting pretty laxed on those rules.

I don't know what the ideal ratio you are seeking is. I been eating a lot of fruit because it's in season and really cheap right now. Especially watermelon because my kidneys were hurting earlier but as soon as the price goes back up I will probably quit buying it. I believe there is a good ratio I just don't know what it is. For one thing, are you asking calorie wise or volume? I guess you would have to establish that before you could establish an ideal ratio. Probably more than a ratio of fiber to meat is how you are getting that fiber. I don't eat grains and get all mine from fruit and vegetables. Mostly fruit lately.

Maybe it's not so bad only buying what's in season. That way I don't eat the same thing for too long. Like I said I mainly do it for economics.

it looks like my body wants a shift so I'm trying new things since raw vegan the way I was doing it is not serving me anymore. End of January I started to play around with the master fast system/mfs ( grape juice and lemon along with some of Dr. Morse's herbs to assist body, I still had my fruit based dinner at nt  ). I used mfs to get myself off the holiday snacking I did on foods are usually don't eat. It was easy to transition back to my normal way of life which is juices all day with a big meal with the family in the evening .  But my meal has always been Raw and vegan -no grains whatsoever.  I used animal foods like a  condinment when I notice drawing towards them which is rare.
Ive never ever been a dogmatic vegan.

 I did melon island Lately (only eating various melons for a period of time -2-3 wks I went )  and I think that's what put me over. I realized Sleep was disturbed, it's like my energy was zapped! so I went to two dif Chinese acupuncturist (bc the first one was very rude ) but both of them, not knowing each other, diagnosed me the same way a "spleen QI deficiency . "

When I eat fiber lately I just feel waterlogged imediatly afterwards on melons or "full" on other fruits but not nourished👎🏻. I juice and I feel nourished👍🏻. I eat protein/fat (raw meat) I feel satisfied👍🏻.  I know all the fruity Internet people brag about their fruit bellies but really that's not comfortable even if it's just 30 minutes of it - I'd rather feel satisfied  and sleep well .  I sleep a lot less when I'm fruit-based which many think is a good thing but when the acupuncturist noticed right off that my sleep is disturbed too , I don't think that something I want to continue with.

I could eat several times a day a piece of fruit here and there (wai diet like) then fish for dinner but really I've done it before and it's distracting.  But I haven't given fruit juice, like you and your orange juice, a real chance to incorporate in with having a animal food meal in the evening .

 I haven't played with higher fats ( unfortunately there's not much protein in avocado) so I'll try that tonight.

Really, like your staying in season and not overspending on foods out of season, i'm just slowly emptying out my fridge of what I still have before I do this experiment again of juice in the day with a meat/fish meal for the evening.  I know myself I won't cut out fiber, at least not forever, but during my experimenting  and shifting I'm willing to play with just about anything .

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 18, 2017, 10:26:46 am »
Thanks for sharing those smoothie recipes, they sound like what A.V. Use to make.

Thats the thing, I can only stomsch so much meat - that's why I end up back on all fruit after awhile if I add in too much too fast. It turns off my appetite for food at all.

Though right now I'm looking forward to going back to playing with only animal foods for my evening meal.
I'm not sleeping through the night on raw vegan dinners currently but I did get a significant download when I was awake in the middle of the night last night,,,,but those can wait to morning too if I'd just stop waking up like it's 7am when it's really 3am!!!

Tomorrow night I'm going to eat the avocados and see if that fat helps me sleep through the night like the sushi steaks did those 3 nights. 

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 17, 2017, 11:45:27 pm »
Still haven't learned to like it without the salt and spices unless it's in the form of a smoothie and even then I need to spice up tripe and kidney in order to get it down.

Though it may be coming. I am eating some steak tartare right now and it tastes over salted and over spiced to me. Guess it's time to cut back on them.

Okay, what's the smoothie? I began to eat only plants when I was 14 yrs old bc meat just grossed me out- very mental but also the quality was factory farmed animals so no wonder I felt better without it.

isn't some salt needed if one eats animal foods, Or is that just low carb?

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 17, 2017, 05:22:33 am »
At the time, I was grateful for the fact that going raw vegan and then fruitarian stopped my extremely painful stomach-aches but the trouble was that these 100% no-animal-food-diets caused me to develop really powerful hunger-pangs where I would buy 5 to 7  kgs of raw organic fruit a day and still feel ravenously hungry afterwards.

Another option is to search rawpaleodietforum on the main page search box to find others with similiar experiences  to see what worked for them.

Yes! I didn't realize how hungry I was until I tried this experiment with replacing my raw vegan meal with a raw animal meal. I've still got some mental hurdles (meat =acidic body etc...) to overcome.

I'm so greatful for this group, SO GRATEFUL!

General Discussion / Re: All sushi grade fish is farmed?
« on: July 17, 2017, 04:34:06 am »
Thank you! Great advice.
I really like the pointers in this link you provided too with the starters tips 👌🏼👌🏼

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 17, 2017, 04:32:26 am »

In my 20s, I went cooked-palaeo but that failed to solve the awful stomach-aches I got from eating any cooked animal food, then I went vegan then raw vegan, then Fruitarian and finally Sproutarian over a total 5 year period or so, before finally going rawpalaeo.


Wow... sproutaterian! Were you starving?
I really enjoy reading your journal btw Tyler.
Yes, I'm going to have to figure out how to do wild salmon, it's not fresh enough here but I looked online a little bit ago and found places that ship sushi grade wild fish to your house 👍🏻

Journals / Re: Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 17, 2017, 04:25:05 am »
I eat plenty of fruit in my diet. I used to try and eat more fiber. I even supplemented with it but now I only eat as much fiber rich fruits and vegetables as I care for. I don't think there's any point in intentionally restricting fiber as if it was something bad for you. It provides places for good gut flora. On the other hand I didn't feel all that great when I was intentionally forcing more fiber upon myself than I wanted just because I thought it was good for me. It didn't help me to loose weight either. I think I crave more fruit since I stopped supplementing with fiber. I still juice oranges in my juicer with the skins on. Not so much for the fiber as for the additional vitamins and essential oils it contains. I think raw egg yolks are gross. Maybe if I weren't getting enough meat protein I might eat them but I don't worry about throwing them away. Even my dogs wont eat them; so how good can they be?

Oh I love raw yolks, taste like creamy vanilla filling to me.

I think it's great what your doing, from my experience at least, it appears very balanced. I dont enjoy going to extremes, but living vegan then raw vegan maybe extreme ??!
I'm not sure how much fiber your getting a day from fruit and veg. Being a man your body will respond differently too.
I do juice more produce than I could eat (micronutrients 👌🏼) , for whatever reason I feel best on juices but I do enjoy eating to where living on juices doesn't appeal to me completely, social settings too I've got to consider.   

Journals / Experimenting animal & produce ratio (fiber)
« on: July 17, 2017, 03:35:51 am »
Coming from a vegan eating style (only raw fruits/plant foods vegan) for over a decade.

Usual lifestyle before this experiment:
Fresh vegetable juices (11-4 pm) and a raw meal at night (5-7 pm)  - fruit first followed by a raw soup or raw pasta, sometime raw nondairy coconut ice cream if I'd want dessert.
1-2x a week average I'd add in egg yolks and Or raw salmon or tuna.

I've repleaced my dinner meal of vegan foods with only raw fish - salmon (2nights) and raw tuna steak the other night. 3 days total. I still enjoy raw juices (no fiber)  when I want through out the day, I rarely felt hungry until late in the day so this is natural to me. All 3 nights dinners were 8 -9 oz raw fish each night with full fat mayo.

RESULTS- Felt completely satiated, no fiber "fullness" which was unusual , did not feel hungry before bed like I usually do, Slept nicely (improvement from vegan), woke up a little nauseous, no bowel movements in these 3 days ( felt ick left side of torso, not sure what eoykd have happened if I kept going, what's normal in that kind of raw but no fiber lifestyle of a female?) .

Followed this by :
night 1 and 2 to eating only fruits for dinner ( veggie juice in day hours). Helped bowels move, got rid of some fruit I'd have to toss if I didn't eat it 👍🏻 BUT Omg 😦 Up all night with gas, discomfort, could easily eat a snack before bed but did not bc I felt waterlogged and fiber-full...
day 3 (last night) I did a few oranges then a raw carrot soup. Still discomfort in intestines and not satiated nearly as much, gas and not sleeping well overnight.

I'm shocked at the difference of not eating fiber but more raw protein and animal fats does for this body of mind over all. I'm planning on going back to no fiber or very low fiber, but I'd like to have my bowels moving without issue if that's going to be more my lifestyle.

I have deer meat in the freezer and more raw sushi grade fish and our neighbors chicken eggs on hand.
* If I eat eggs for meal I'd like to have the  protein (whites) too BUT is that a disaster to poach the whites? I tried raw whites and gagged most times and it's not satiating raw either.

General Discussion / All sushi grade fish is farmed?
« on: July 16, 2017, 10:36:01 pm »
I've looked and called all local places that sell sushi grade salmon and tuna and it's ALL it's all farmed (Atlantic farmed).  Is it going to hurt me to be eating sushi grade that's come from farmed?

I did try some higher ends stores for wild, freshest they had,  -X it was so fishy couldn't eat it. I've been Researching this and it says to never eat wild salmon "raw", it's worse for you than sushi grade that's been farmed?

What's the deal on all the sushi grade salmon and tuna being farm raised, can we eat say 8 oz a day of this and be healthy or are they really full of bad fats and antibiotics etc...? What to do if they are, what fish can we eat safely raw? I really want to make raw fish work, as much as I try red meat cooked or raw doesn't appeal to me at all.

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 08, 2017, 09:58:17 pm »
??🤦🏻???this morning it came to me out of no where, "aajaonus V. " but you replied Before I could get on and let you know I got it 👌🏼

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 08, 2017, 12:27:59 am »
A_REAL_MAN yes, common sense right. We do get fed lots of BS Through worldly systems, but were born with divine intelligence to see our way through it, yet were taught not to trust ourselves either so we've got to wake up to ourselves eventually to experience the freedom and peace we carry inside.

ERIC I've been reading about the reindeer ppl, so interesting the conditions we can adapt to. I don't think those that live in those conditions live super long either but isn't it bc of the weather conditions, not  necessarily the diet? That's the thing, like blue zones, foods not the main component to why they live long.
I'm really only asking about cutting fiber (fruits/veg) but keeping animal foods(not dairy -Im intolerant of it anyways) and juices in to give my intestines a short break, basically benefits of a fast without loosing weight.  I just wanted to know from real people's experiences that have eaten only meat for periods that it doesn't actually constipate you and stop up your colon due to no fiber to move it along.
 I know a juice fast is ideal for giving the intestines a break but I'm 5'3 100 pounds,  it would be scary to see how small that would make me .

DARIORPL - I'm not familiar with AV. But sounds right, esp parasites and he was eating cooked meats?  I've seen people using turpentine to get those parasites out very successfully .

SURFSTEVE- before raw?  If you don't mind me asking what does your diet look like now? Are you feeling better than you did before?

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 07, 2017, 08:04:45 am »
SURFSTEVE how about juicing the veggies if you don't eat them? Or blending them into a raw soup! If ever i have veggies with its fiber included it's raw soups, sometimes I drain the fiber out but I always pour it over spiraled cucumbers or zucchini with black oilves 👌🏼

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 07, 2017, 07:23:57 am »
Ok Now I'm  very excited about doing this experiment and longer than before! before I lasted 3 or 4 days without produce (veg/fruit).  We were traveling so I was limited to cooked animal foods .  And the last two nights I woke up in the Mid of night with terrible Charlie horses and very hungry .

I have been higher fruit this past year than ever before. I went to an  acupuncturist today and he said after the exam my system is "moving slowly, digestion is weak, and very damp. Along with sleep isn't good".

ERIC interesting point on fungi and meat connective tissue and collagen.   I didn't realize that about collagen. I'll look him up, and the gut project 👍🏻 I'm done with vegetables unless something miraculous happens to my gut, fruit is so much easier on my system. 

I agree YS, he's very exaggerated in his ways of sharing. But if he's using stats, like saying only .2 to 1.2% of meat eaten is passed into colon and in form of ash I'd hope he didn't make that up to shock readers.

Thank you SURFSTEVE!

Im taking it you all added a couple tbl of fat to your meals correct?

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 06, 2017, 09:43:22 pm »
Sorry, i didn't spell check that well enough, but I'm sure you can read over "berger" knowing I meant "better" and any other auto messes. 

Health / Re: Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 06, 2017, 09:40:22 pm »
Thank you Eric!
The author targets just what you said, fiber from grains and of course the fiber supplement industry. The thing is there is  absolutely no other source I have ever come across that says meat does not disrupt the functioning of your bowels. So if he's right, what a mass lie bring told in about every arena of dietary theories.

I've also read that if one eliminates all other foods except clean animal foods for a period of days, the body's intestines have a chance to cleanse and reset . This is so far off from what most gurus say "meat rots inside you, stops up intestines, if your not eating it with fiber to push it through...."

Interesting, but not surprising, about your friend in Africa .
Personally the only source of fiber I feel physically comfortable after eating is sweet and non-sweet fruits. Vegetable fiber acts like grain fiber in me, upset spastic gut. I eat very "wai" like (raw fish, eggs, and fruits) but I'm considering giving my intestines a good break so that means eliminating fruit for a few days, weeks, or longer.

Im so much better the last several years if allowing my body to be the guide, not health experts, but I still find myself having to work out the brainwashing I took in for a very long time, decades of eating lower fat plant based vegan (bulk based meals with lots of natural fiber) and the diet industry that followed with lots of vegan propaganda that animal foods and there fats cause cancer, heart disease, Etc....

Health / Meats fully digest leaving no waste?
« on: July 06, 2017, 11:08:28 am »
So I was reading Fiber menace & Gut Sense and the author states meats (cooked im sure in his world, I know raw is even better) are fully used/absorbed by the body, very small amount left is ash.

..."What little remains from digested foods is called ash, and ash represents between 0.2% and 1.2% of total stool weight. This means if you eat a pound of meat, cheese, or rice, only 1 teaspoon of ash, about 5 grams, will reach your bowels, not enough to play any role in a bowel movement or constipation."

Really, there basically no waste from meats?  You know most ppl think/preach it's meats that rot in the colon, it's all meats fault...bc "meat is constipating". But really it's the fiber foods - like all these plants (veggies but fruit is pretty low fiber yet it's still fiber) we base our raw diets around???

Now I really wonder if it is healthy to go a few times a day, or everyday for that matter!? Maybe it's all been the opposite - maybe we're wearing out our bodies by eating fiber?

 I may experiment and cut of solid firm produce for awhile, stick to green juice and raw meats and eggs. Maybe even do that most of the time if that's healthier and easier on the body. 

Thoughts? Wisdom? Experience?

Health / Re: Bowels - only meat
« on: March 12, 2016, 07:39:51 am »
Lol😂 Maybe so 👍🏻👍🏻

Health / Re: Bowels - only meat
« on: March 12, 2016, 01:03:38 am »
It's me, he knows and known for a long time. I was raised not to fart and never poo if ppl were around, it was shamed as something humans do that's dirty, which is just ridiculous but that imprint is something I have been working on.  I got over the fart thing but I get anxiety if I have to poo if someone is around esp my husband. I'm looking at hypnotherapy or pysch-k (dr. Bruce lipton). I've also been told past life trauma is involved by a medium I know personally whose never been wrong yet with myself or those I know who ask her for help. but I'm not sure about it being tied to a past life experience bc how would I know unless I recollect it.

Health / Re: Bowels - only meat
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:55:25 am »
Thank you Tyler, I remember your only meat experiment from a long time ago, I need to go back and find that. For me it's mental, thinking about hypnosis or somethin else to release the anxiety about using bathroom outside of my own home.
It will be raw sushi grade fish for me right now, don't have raw meat at the resort were going to.  Pretty sure they'd ban me from the hotel if I brought that  :o

Health / Bowels - only meat
« on: March 11, 2016, 03:30:43 am »
I've learned that I get really nervous having to poop when I'm around anyone, esp my husband. We will be staying in a hotel this week for 4 days so I know this means I don't go, not our of conscious choice just don't get the urge and trying makes it worse.
Question, if I only eat meat (no produce but I may have some fruit out of I'll be in the tropics!) will this allow my colon to be empty and not piling up hardening stools?
I'm very regular otherwise, but traveling no matter what even taking best laxatives - nothing moves.

Thank you :)

General Discussion / Re: Eating excess fat?
« on: September 19, 2013, 10:45:28 am »
Thank you sabertooth :-)
Your personal experience is helpful. We hear a lot of things contradicting the last study but personal experience is a whole nother thing.
What vegetables do you consume that keep carbs so low? Do you actually need to watch quantity of greens  to keep producing ketones? 
Do you feel well, even in the beginning?  I got muscle cramps (that woke me up, I even took magnesium) & sleeplessness most the month I tried low carb.  I only ate greens and nonsweet fruits for produce and mainly cooked whole ck & fatty raw fish for protein & fats.   

General Discussion / Re: Eating excess fat?
« on: September 19, 2013, 09:20:18 am »
The doctor being interviewed states that fat can Not be stored, only used and the rest "excreted." 
He explains this starting about 15 minutes in (i posted the link above).
The interview was about killing cancer cells with ketogenic diets not weight issues.   
has anyone else come across proof that fat is excreted & not stored in the body?
I would like to look into it.

General Discussion / Re: Eating excess fat?
« on: September 19, 2013, 12:00:23 am »
Here's the interview-

Really interesting  info on fats. I've avoid ketogenic diet experiments bc I hear they can really mess up your system long tern (thyroid I hear most about).
But this interview got me thinking.....
He's working with cancer patients but definitely  made it clear that excess fats do NOT store as fat but excess glucose does. 

General Discussion / Eating excess fat?
« on: September 18, 2013, 11:05:30 am »
I heard a doctor, who uses ketogenic diets to treat cancer patients,  say fats do not, can not, get stored as fat.  the body will use it & any remaining fat eaten gets "excreted. "
But Glucose gets stored as fat. Precious fruit!  Weight gain (fat) is due to stored glucose (carbs and excess protein). Bottom line sounded like fats are not a problem so ketogenic lifestyle is best for us.

Your thoughts?
And is that rights? All excess fat gets eliminated thru bowels & does not store on the body?  Then How are all these fruit eating fruitarians so scary skinny if glucose turns to fat?

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