I'm not talking about $, I am talking about real economics. A beef cow produces a big calf every year. A dairy cow produces a big enough calf every year and 1000+ gallons of milk a day.

A Normande cow (like the one girl I got) makes a lot of milk and a lot of beef.

In the olden days, most cows were dual purpose and made plenty of beef and plenty of milk, today a jersey cow (good milk cow) still makes a lot of beef for a family.

Goats make gangbuster milk compared to cows for what they eat and you could cut and haul all their food to them if you don't have any acreage.

Not to run on, but cows have an advantage over goats in that they can make all that milk off of just pasture, while goats need a much more complex diet and are prone to sickness from pasture parasites...

Most people in the world could not benefit from a raw paleo diet because they could not afford it and probably couldn't deal with the logistics. Most of the people in the world could benefit from a raw paleo diet. Dairy and eggs are insanely more economic than raw meat.

Although, I don't know if any of y'all eat this way but the paleo diet could be made to be economic... if it relied primarily on inverts for protein and fat.

economics and practical farming play into this heavily in mind.

I could afford to eat raw primal but it would be more of a hardship and also less enjoyable.

Ice cream is my fuckin favorite food.

A big part of why I prefer raw primal is because it's all of my favorite foods, I really really really like it, way better than cooked foods. I used to be somewhat of a chef too, I cooked all of my own meals for 5 years.

I was suffering health wise, and raw milk helped me, I had heard of raw meat and eggs being good for you, but I couldn't imagine liking them, but actually they made cooked food taste bad.

Up the dairy haha.

I raise goats and cows on forage and they are much healthier on diets of forage. Just like we can eat healthy food or potatoes which are supposedly "healthy" are really just unbalanced fuel. Cows can make lots of milk and grow big on hay and potatoes but they won't be as healthy. The buffalo lived off of grass, cows are even better at living off marginal grass than buffalo are. There are cows that live in dry lands where they just eat dry grass for as long as 5 or 6 months of the year.

Goat and cattle keepers I knew fed grain and had a medicine chest the size of a small fridge. They got sick animals and lost animals to sickness. That just hasn't happened to me, except when I aquired animals from other farms that had not been taken care of properly. Some animals are so bred that they won't work in my forage fed system of grazing but I culled those and now all my girls are hardy.

It's 2012.

I am fucking sick of this shit.

I am poor, I have been walked on most of my life, the future is uncertain, I don't know what to do in my life, but I know that If I don't have my cows anymore, I can't afford to eat healthy and I will get sick again.

I have very meek ambitions. I want to keep a few cows, have some nature and a home and a family. How can I do this?

I want it I want it now.

I have gotten this far, I don't know where I should go next, but I think I know what's right and I'm not gonna back down.


WHAT IF there were some place where people could leave behind the darkness of this culture and we could live lives of purity.

Purity cow church

I LOVE your last post Good Samaritan!
So sad, but so true. I was so F'd up, I feel so blessed to have discovered raw foods before I finished growing up.

The Native Americans ate choke cherry pits which have a similar cyanide problem as wild almonds. They pulverized the pits with the fruits and that eats the poison.

They might not reverse tooth decay, but they will certainly help prevent it. Of course sourcing him, I believe in one case school children were given one healthy meal a day and their incidence of new tooth decay was greatly diminished.

I wonder, perhaps he felt grains should be included in the diet, because they were so ubiquitous. Could people have afforded to live without grains in their diet back then? Same goes for dairy. I won't make an argument that dairy is superior to flesh, however it makes monetary sense to me, I think it always will, it makes me feel good and I enjoy drinking it.

Really? I wonder why. Grass has much less toxicity than any other edible plant is what I heard.

Nearly every mammal on earth besides those that live in the sea eat grass.

It will melt in your mouth. Lol. On hot days it will become liquid, it's more annoying to deal with liquid though, I prefer it solid.

That book raises good arguments but I found it hard to believe what the book said back when I heard about it on NPR, before I ever was interested in raw foods besides raw milk.

Interestingly, Charles Darwin, while calling fire-making "probably the greatest [discovery], excepting language, ever made by man," thought that cooking was a late addition to the human skill-set without biological or evolutionary significance, and anthropologists agreed with him until quite recently.

The whole chewing argument seems pretty weak to me. Honestly, I swallow large chunks of meat most every day, they are always digested well.

Why is it that indigenous people bother to cook their meat? I would really like to know. Sushi had always been my favorite food. I never liked cooked meat, I was vegetarian for 6 years partly because of that. When I started eating cooked meat again I got really good at doctoring it up to make myself like it. With raw meat I love the taste of it plain.

I find cooked meat hard to digest, it gives me stomach upsets, makes me feel hot and angry and emotional. Raw meat is exactly the opposite.

I feel like cooking was mainly used originally for cooking inedible foods like acorns and tubers. Those cooked by themselves don't taste so good either so throw in some bones and some chewy scraps of meat why not?

Perhaps the arguments are valid with cooked plant matter, however I have to whole heartedly disagree with the cooked meat. I have experimented quite a bit eating cooked meat and raw meat back and forth. I digest raw meat much better, I feel better, I LOOK better, I gain muscle mass better, I have more energy and need less sleep, I sleep less, I feel a higher degree of mental clarity.

When I relapse and eat some cooked meat I INVARIABLY become anxious and nervous, not about food but my life in general. I begin to doubt myself. With raw meat I feel confident and self assured.

Cooked vegetables don't bother me so much, but cooked meat does. I don't know, perhaps it's because I am dealing with a wreckage of a digestive tract. I don't know.

Raw meat does taste better though, the more cooked a meat is, the more it tastes like cardboard. That is sufficient evidence for me that it is not as healthy.

His OP said nothing about crooked teeth, only smaller teeth. I have semi crooked teeth, but they are very large compared to most whites. I have seen plenty of people who have straight teeth that are much smaller than mine.

DurianRider, you are a real sick fucked up dude you know that? How much did you pay that poor homeless man to eat old ground hamburger from the store? Like what's your problem man? Why can't you just let people do their own thing and you do yours? Why do you insist on trying to shove your junk in everyone's face? What are you making up for?

There is a sunflower relative known as Yacon which is supposedly sweeter and juicier and crunchier than an apple. Hard to get a hold of. I am going to try really hard to  grow some next year.