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Hot Topics / Got Milk?
« on: March 03, 2012, 03:55:25 am »

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What's the Beef with Raw Dairy?
« on: March 03, 2012, 02:17:03 am »
On the other side, there are places where a dairy cow won't be able to make it on pasture but a beef cow could do just great.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What's the Beef with Raw Dairy?
« on: March 03, 2012, 12:06:22 am »
I'm not talking about $, I am talking about real economics. A beef cow produces a big calf every year. A dairy cow produces a big enough calf every year and 1000+ gallons of milk a day.

A Normande cow (like the one girl I got) makes a lot of milk and a lot of beef.

In the olden days, most cows were dual purpose and made plenty of beef and plenty of milk, today a jersey cow (good milk cow) still makes a lot of beef for a family.

Goats make gangbuster milk compared to cows for what they eat and you could cut and haul all their food to them if you don't have any acreage.

Not to run on, but cows have an advantage over goats in that they can make all that milk off of just pasture, while goats need a much more complex diet and are prone to sickness from pasture parasites...

I really want to start a raw farming community. Not sure where yet, either west coast, east coast, perhaps even midwest. I dunno. I got cows and goats and ducks, goats and cows are 100% organic, grass fed now and the ducks are around 90% grain free. I dunno, don't try to pick one spot, do some traveling.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What's the Beef with Raw Dairy?
« on: March 01, 2012, 01:01:14 am »
Most people in the world could not benefit from a raw paleo diet because they could not afford it and probably couldn't deal with the logistics. Most of the people in the world could benefit from a raw paleo diet. Dairy and eggs are insanely more economic than raw meat.

Although, I don't know if any of y'all eat this way but the paleo diet could be made to be economic... if it relied primarily on inverts for protein and fat.

economics and practical farming play into this heavily in mind.

I could afford to eat raw primal but it would be more of a hardship and also less enjoyable.

Ice cream is my fuckin favorite food.

A big part of why I prefer raw primal is because it's all of my favorite foods, I really really really like it, way better than cooked foods. I used to be somewhat of a chef too, I cooked all of my own meals for 5 years.

I was suffering health wise, and raw milk helped me, I had heard of raw meat and eggs being good for you, but I couldn't imagine liking them, but actually they made cooked food taste bad.

Up the dairy haha.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Is really grass-fed >>> grain-fed?
« on: February 25, 2012, 08:39:50 am »
RF, I was wondering if you, or anyone else focused on self-sufficient farming, could post a thread on rawpaleoforum on how to start one's own farm rawpalaeo-style? I think it would be most educational for those thinking of becoming independent in terms of food-supply, as the thread would point out all the standard mistakes to be avoided, which animals are the least "high-maintenance" etc.
I would turn the thread into a permanent "sticky" one.

Yeah I could give lots of tips and points, I have been thinking of writing a zine on the subject.
Next time I get on the internet I would like to write something.

You know if anyone out there is interested in this, I am really trying to put my feelers out there for anyone who wants to work on some kind of community farming project. I really want to settle down somewhere and put down permanent roots.
It could be anywhere almost, I just want to be somewhere with like minded people.

Yes, I will think about some things to write up.

Actually I have begun a project of photo documenting how I raise my animals. SPRING IS HERE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Something you find out about in farming is that one day of spring = 2 or 5 days any other times of year as far as animals growing and healing. Spring is amazing. Go out there and find the fresh green shoots and juice them and you will know what I mean.

Find the grass and edible greens that are growing where snow has been melting and trickling or cool water running near the roots. You will find what energy tastes like, like they were  to a cow!

The grass is growing, the cows and the goats were so excited today they were frolicking and running with delight to eat the fresh spring greens.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Is really grass-fed >>> grain-fed?
« on: February 19, 2012, 03:26:39 am »
I raise goats and cows on forage and they are much healthier on diets of forage. Just like we can eat healthy food or potatoes which are supposedly "healthy" are really just unbalanced fuel. Cows can make lots of milk and grow big on hay and potatoes but they won't be as healthy. The buffalo lived off of grass, cows are even better at living off marginal grass than buffalo are. There are cows that live in dry lands where they just eat dry grass for as long as 5 or 6 months of the year.

Goat and cattle keepers I knew fed grain and had a medicine chest the size of a small fridge. They got sick animals and lost animals to sickness. That just hasn't happened to me, except when I aquired animals from other farms that had not been taken care of properly. Some animals are so bred that they won't work in my forage fed system of grazing but I culled those and now all my girls are hardy.

Primal Diet / Re: Primal Diet and Magnesium
« on: February 09, 2012, 04:25:59 am »
is there any empirical evidence that people who eat high dairy diets are indeed mag deficient? While it makes sense that drinking too much milk might cause imbalances, is an imbalance really that much of a problem? How much of a problem is it? I bet actually more so for some than others!

If we are consuming some dietary magnesium perhaps to some extent our body will utilize more of the magnesium we consume and less of the calcium. I understand the basic logic of this argument however I wonder about how much of a problem it really is.

General Discussion / Starting a religion
« on: January 23, 2012, 10:05:48 am »
It's 2012.

I am fucking sick of this shit.

I am poor, I have been walked on most of my life, the future is uncertain, I don't know what to do in my life, but I know that If I don't have my cows anymore, I can't afford to eat healthy and I will get sick again.

I have very meek ambitions. I want to keep a few cows, have some nature and a home and a family. How can I do this?

I want it I want it now.

I have gotten this far, I don't know where I should go next, but I think I know what's right and I'm not gonna back down.

WHAT IF there were some place where people could leave behind the darkness of this culture and we could live lives of purity.

Purity cow church

Welcoming Committee / Re: Howdy
« on: January 23, 2012, 09:02:58 am »

Well, I am doing well I guess. This project seems like a flop so far however.

Good news is... heard has grown, 3 almost totally grass fed dairy cows, 2 jerseys and a normande, 2 100% grass fed heifers almost a year old and one new beautiful heifer born right after new years under the full moon.

I got 9 muscovy ducks that have been foraging for the vast majority of their diet so far this winter, just been supplementing a bit when the snow has stuck. Can't wait til they start laying this spring.

And my goat herd is growing up nice, got ten 100% grass fed does and gonna get a billy this spring.

Fark though, I don't know what to do.

I am starting a 2012 photo book to show what it is that I do with my animals.

I am going to start looking for a place to settle down for a while, hopefully move there this coming fall.

Anyone know a place with room for some cows and goats and ducks lol?

Hot Topics / Re: Daniel Vitalis on cooked meat
« on: October 14, 2011, 09:51:39 am »
I LOVE your last post Good Samaritan!
So sad, but so true. I was so F'd up, I feel so blessed to have discovered raw foods before I finished growing up.

The Native Americans ate choke cherry pits which have a similar cyanide problem as wild almonds. They pulverized the pits with the fruits and that eats the poison.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Howdy
« on: October 14, 2011, 09:43:02 am »
Moooving onward to Athens Ohio tonight. Wish me luck on my new farming venture!

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 12, 2011, 11:29:01 pm »
They might not reverse tooth decay, but they will certainly help prevent it. Of course sourcing him, I believe in one case school children were given one healthy meal a day and their incidence of new tooth decay was greatly diminished.

I wonder, perhaps he felt grains should be included in the diet, because they were so ubiquitous. Could people have afforded to live without grains in their diet back then? Same goes for dairy. I won't make an argument that dairy is superior to flesh, however it makes monetary sense to me, I think it always will, it makes me feel good and I enjoy drinking it.

Hot Topics / Re: Multivitamins/Iron Supplements And Increased Mortality
« on: October 12, 2011, 11:20:14 pm »
Most people get plenty of iron, they are lacking copper. Without sufficient copper, increased iron is just increased toxicity.

Sorry didn't read the article yet, did it say that haha?

Primal Diet / Re: Need vegetable juice base ideas
« on: October 12, 2011, 03:09:14 pm »
Really? I wonder why. Grass has much less toxicity than any other edible plant is what I heard.

Nearly every mammal on earth besides those that live in the sea eat grass.

Hot Topics / Re: Daniel Vitalis on cooked meat
« on: October 12, 2011, 08:06:42 am »
Didn't Inuits eat by far mostly raw before colonialists traded them iron pots?

General Discussion / Re: VCO Detox
« on: October 12, 2011, 03:44:26 am »
It will melt in your mouth. Lol. On hot days it will become liquid, it's more annoying to deal with liquid though, I prefer it solid.

Primal Diet / Re: Need vegetable juice base ideas
« on: October 12, 2011, 03:30:02 am »
What about wheatgrass or other small grains? Those are the most bio-available of all vegetation and are the only ones with most of the minerals.

There are plenty of weeds that would make amazing juices.

Amaranth, purslain, lambs quarters, comfrey, nettles, chickweed. There are plenty of others. I bet blight berry, sweet potato greens and malabar spinach would be good. Dandelion, chicory, alfalfa, plaintain, dock, burdock... etc.

Wild vegetables are way higher in minerals and vitamins than cultivated vegetables are generally, not to mention you can get them extremely fresh and out of the wild.

Hot Topics / Re: Daniel Vitalis on cooked meat
« on: October 12, 2011, 02:23:05 am »
That book raises good arguments but I found it hard to believe what the book said back when I heard about it on NPR, before I ever was interested in raw foods besides raw milk.

Interestingly, Charles Darwin, while calling fire-making "probably the greatest [discovery], excepting language, ever made by man," thought that cooking was a late addition to the human skill-set without biological or evolutionary significance, and anthropologists agreed with him until quite recently.

The whole chewing argument seems pretty weak to me. Honestly, I swallow large chunks of meat most every day, they are always digested well.

Why is it that indigenous people bother to cook their meat? I would really like to know. Sushi had always been my favorite food. I never liked cooked meat, I was vegetarian for 6 years partly because of that. When I started eating cooked meat again I got really good at doctoring it up to make myself like it. With raw meat I love the taste of it plain.

I find cooked meat hard to digest, it gives me stomach upsets, makes me feel hot and angry and emotional. Raw meat is exactly the opposite.

I feel like cooking was mainly used originally for cooking inedible foods like acorns and tubers. Those cooked by themselves don't taste so good either so throw in some bones and some chewy scraps of meat why not?

Perhaps the arguments are valid with cooked plant matter, however I have to whole heartedly disagree with the cooked meat. I have experimented quite a bit eating cooked meat and raw meat back and forth. I digest raw meat much better, I feel better, I LOOK better, I gain muscle mass better, I have more energy and need less sleep, I sleep less, I feel a higher degree of mental clarity.

When I relapse and eat some cooked meat I INVARIABLY become anxious and nervous, not about food but my life in general. I begin to doubt myself. With raw meat I feel confident and self assured.

Cooked vegetables don't bother me so much, but cooked meat does. I don't know, perhaps it's because I am dealing with a wreckage of a digestive tract. I don't know.

Raw meat does taste better though, the more cooked a meat is, the more it tastes like cardboard. That is sufficient evidence for me that it is not as healthy.

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 12, 2011, 01:55:30 am »
They probably also drank plenty of raw milk. At least they drank the byproducts of making the butter no? Did they add the butter after they cooked the soup or before?

Out in  the sun, my teeth look gleaming white. Under poor artificial light, the yellow shadows become obvious. It's hard to see how healthy someones teeth are from a video that doesn't show the back of their mouth. There are no visible cavities that other people can see, unless I open my mouth wide and they look deep back inside, then you can see plenty.

Also that trip was just one trip of many in the year no? Depending on the time of year, perhaps they collected other foods or had other foods brought from home to eat.

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 11, 2011, 10:08:57 pm »
His OP said nothing about crooked teeth, only smaller teeth. I have semi crooked teeth, but they are very large compared to most whites. I have seen plenty of people who have straight teeth that are much smaller than mine.

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 11, 2011, 04:09:38 pm »
Yes, but that doesn't explain the sudden, in-one-generation GIANT increase in crooked teeth that Dr. Price found in groups that had recently switched to store-bought Western foods.

Uhm, I think you shouldn't have even brought that up, because that's another issue altogether.

Hot Topics / Re: Why are raw vegans so weak?
« on: October 11, 2011, 08:52:07 am »
DurianRider, you are a real sick fucked up dude you know that? How much did you pay that poor homeless man to eat old ground hamburger from the store? Like what's your problem man? Why can't you just let people do their own thing and you do yours? Why do you insist on trying to shove your junk in everyone's face? What are you making up for?

General Discussion / Re: Keeping Meat and Fat in the Fridge for Week(s)
« on: October 10, 2011, 11:12:34 pm »
Yum, that looks really good iggy, I'm jealous. Can't wait to get my own meat fridge.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Examples, Your List of Raw Starchy Foods?
« on: October 10, 2011, 02:45:00 pm »
There is a sunflower relative known as Yacon which is supposedly sweeter and juicier and crunchier than an apple. Hard to get a hold of. I am going to try really hard to  grow some next year.

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