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Health / Re: Durianrider shooting up vitamin B-12 at Woodstock
« on: October 10, 2011, 09:36:58 am »
Listening to him speak is so caustic. A couple times I felt like watching some of his videos, just curious of how much of a moron he really is, but 30 seconds in I can't bear it anymore and I shut off the video. He doesn't even have to mention how meat is bad or fruit is great, 30 seconds of him babbling about being awesome and how he loves his awesome friend or some girl eating too much nuts or whatever and I have to shut that damn demagogue up.

Raw Weston Price / Re: How much raw milk does everyone drink?
« on: October 10, 2011, 07:52:05 am »
I feel like you would probably more be craving the fat. What makes you think the milk is bad for you? Doesn't it make you feel good?

How is lettuce going to in any way at all replace milk lol?

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 10, 2011, 07:48:28 am »
What reason is there to not eat a Kangaroo raw? I find it hard to believe. I ate fresh raw goat organs on a whim, with only vague knowledge of eating raw meat and that it was dangerous and that you should freeze it for 14 days if you were going to eat it.

I just read on a guy claiming to be an Aborigine that his ancestors ate raw meat but they don't anymore.

Highly saturated kidney fat from the possum was often eaten raw

Animal foods were generally cooked, either over an open fire or steamed in pits. Kangaroo, for example, was laid on a fire and seared for a short period, so that the interior flesh remained practically raw

They talk about them having trouble getting enough fat. Isn't there plenty of fat in bone marrow?

I wonder why they cooked most of their meat.

I remember reading that Native Americans ate a heck of a lot of raw animals.

I kind of thought they got more interested in cooking meat, cause they ate dogs and dogs eat human shit.

General Discussion / Re: Raw Chicken
« on: October 10, 2011, 03:36:13 am »
I have heard that in France they age ducks and geese until the feathers are plucked easily.

Wasn't raw pheasant hung by the head, aged so long that it's head disconnects from it's neck, a delicacy in france and england?

Aging the chicken would make it much more tender.

General Discussion / Re: Weston-Price
« on: October 10, 2011, 02:44:59 am »
Are you sure Aborigines in Australia eat mostly cooked? Could this not be a modern thing? It seemed to me that on walkabout it wouldn't be very easy to start a fire in the desert. I read the book Mutant Message Down Under. I can't remember precisely but I don't think I ever remember her mentioning that they cooked their food or ate it raw. They were out in the middle of totally desolate desert though and I really can't remember her mentioning them building fires.

Raw Weston Price / Re: How much raw milk does everyone drink?
« on: October 10, 2011, 02:40:18 am »
I wonder if part of the craving for raw milk is because of the fact that it takes up more room in the stomach so it's harder to feel full if you are used to drinking large amounts of milk. For some time, when I had little or no milk, I would subsequently overeat other foods and feel sick afterwards.

I remember way back when I went to a homeopath and he asked me what my favorite food was, I couldn't tell him. Later he guessed "I know what it is, ice cream!".

He was right. I will gorge on two pints of my home made raw ice cream, it freakin rules. Makes me feel great too.

My ancestors for a long long time were dairy farmers.

Honestly though I prefer kefir to fresh milk most of the time. I enjoy fresh milk more when I am drinking mostly kefir too.

If I remember correctly the buffet I went to in Amsterdam had a thirty minute time limit.

Amazingly it was almost the worst buffet I ever went to, Chinese or otherwise.

I went to another buffet before in Holland that was the best buffet by far I ever went to.


Raw Weston Price / Re: How much raw milk does everyone drink?
« on: October 09, 2011, 11:19:46 am »
I was drinking a gallon a day for a while. Not quite that much anymore. I go back and forth though.

I was eating pumpkin seeds too, seemed to be good.

Tyler, you really think cravings are bad and not our bodies telling us what we need?

I had trouble getting what I felt like was enough milk for a long time, when I finally got as much as I wanted I felt so fantastic, still do over a year later.

Journals / Re: Not a good way to start a journal
« on: October 09, 2011, 11:01:06 am »
Just going to have to come back and redo this when I am in a good mood lol...

Journals / Not a good way to start a journal
« on: October 09, 2011, 10:43:58 am »
Argh, lost my nerve.


I totally agree. Sashimi was quickly scooped up whenever it was served though. I was much more concerned with having a good time and a full belly than being picky.

Would love to go anywhere in the world that has all you can eat raw oysters.

I find it hard to believe that those restaurants can make money off of giant freaks like me and my father.

My father was seeing me off, I am moving away this weekend. It was the only restaurant I would almost even consider going to.

Didn't know it was going to be AWESOME though.

Ok, so eating cooked white rice with sushi does suck, but I didn't eat that much until they brought out the sashimi. The best thing though was there was a whole bin of HUGE clams on the half shell. No one else in the place was touching them. My father and I dispatched the entire bin. Had some cooked green beans which was nice as honestly I feel a craving for cooked vegetables once in a while.

What was really interesting though, was how poisonous all the other food I tried tasted to me. LOL
I used to love crab rangoons, truly tasted like crispy spoonfuls of salt! Same with the coating on the frogs legs, though the flavor of the frogs legs was amazing (it's like cooked chicken but with actual flavor).

I used to enjoy the ice cream there, however last night it strait up tasted like minty chocolate cream cough syrup.

I actually really enjoyed eating the bad stuff, because I got a real kick over how I used to enjoy them and now they really do taste like toxic sludge.

My mind and body felt ok after, I feel like it's cause I didn't indulge heavily at all in the bad stuff and it was just a drop in the water compared to what I have been eating the past half a year.

The other thing that made that night cool was that I haven't been around a large group of people in over a year... it feels weird to be on an entirely different plain of existence then everyone else in the place. I feel like after I move, I am just going to crush to death all the fuckin proles I encounter from here on out. I am just beaming with confidence, totally unlike how I ever felt in my entire life.

I kind of feel a bit bad for my pride and hubris. Oh well!

Gonna get a haircut, cut off my two foot hair, which the good thing is it will be comfortable and I won't have to worry about taking care of it... the bad thing is I'm gonna have to beat off the ladies with a frickin spiked bat lol...

Heh, just joking of course.

Cheers. I have to say, I surely feel like a testament to the validity of the efficacy of a raw animal foods diet. Hazzah!

General Discussion / Re: Raw Fruitarian...good god, help me
« on: October 08, 2011, 04:06:53 am »
The Masai diet is not zero carb.  Not only that, but there are a fair number of RPDieters that report they have to cut back on fat consumption in the summers, because they become uncomfortably hot. It wouldn't surprise me if there are other more hidden problems with the zero-carb diet in hot weather.

... I know, milk is their staple and it is high in carbs. My point was that they eat mostly animal foods and very high fat animal foods at that. Their cows make milk that is more than twice as creamy as milk you can buy in the store in the west.

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 08, 2011, 04:04:26 am »
Grass roots can't penetrate limestone but 17 feet is not at all impossible. Alfalfa can go over 20 feet deep.

Regardless, where grass is grazed too frequently the roots rarely go further down than the grass is high. Still, HHDG should help improve conditions in almost any situation. It's just making farming more similar to natural prairie systems.

Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: October 08, 2011, 04:00:31 am »
There is no way that would ever happen.  Military deployment of any type on American soil is done strictly for peaceful functions.  Americans don't appreciate being forced to do things at gunpoint.

See Wounded Knee.

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 08, 2011, 01:19:01 am »
I have to take a couple steps back and say that I am no expert in this field, merely a student. HHDG is a goal of mine, not something I have achieved.

I have a fistful of personal farming experience and two arm loads of book smarts on the subject.

HHDG would completely annihilate any of the problems associated with drought. Plants with 17 foot long roots don't worry so much about a lack of rain.

General Discussion / Re: Raw Fruitarian...good god, help me
« on: October 07, 2011, 07:43:12 pm »
Would be interesting to know exactly how much carbs the Masai eat. Milk is fairly high carb and is supposed to be similar to blood, does blood gots lots of carbs too?

Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: October 07, 2011, 07:36:52 pm »
How can we ask one person to fix any of this nations problems? Nothing short of a national revolt will save America and the rest of the world from the corporate monster.

Up until now, Americans have been kept too fat and happy to care about anything. The fuckups are finally starting to get uppity as we see with the formation of the Tea Party and the new Occupation of Wallstreet.

I think that the unwritten goal of Britain, USA and Israel has been to steal enough, to keep their population sedated, to allow monarchy (corporations) free reign to destroy the world. I have never ever been able to even venture an idea as to what the fuck the point is. How small are these people's penises? Why do they need to curb stomp everything, what are they trying to prove?

Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: October 07, 2011, 07:59:27 am »
I can't stomach politics but if Ron Paul is GOP candidate I will actually go out and vote.

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 07, 2011, 07:39:53 am »
so you say goats would be the most easiest animal to raise?
wild bison gets pretty fat end of summer.

If you have plenty of land, goats might do well. Typically goats do better in dryer conditions, cows in wetter and sheep in between. Of course there are breeds of each species adapted to vastly different climates all over the world.

I think cows are the easiest to take care of for sure. However if you have open scrub land and no need to worry about fencing and not that much grass, then goats are the obvious choice. Cows need grass. Goats can thrive without grass.

Bison may get fat compared to other game, but they are definitely leaner than beef cows. I remember the African Hob was a game animal with lots of fat. Beaver and bear and raccoon are all also loaded with fat. Not sure about groundhogs but I bet they are too. My father said once he skinned a raccoon he said was actually mostly fat!

"Dorothy, I wouldn't worry so much about feeding your dogs slankers, I highly doubt it's going to hurt them. I don't think it would hurt us most likely either, however I just don't agree with their practices, I would want to support farmers who use practices I believe in. Some people, especially youngsters or those with chemical sensitivities, may be harmed by slankers. It is probably almost totally impossible to quantify what harm could be done to them."

Yes Spacecowboy - the best we can do is the best we can do - for us and for the dogs. I just wish I could find a farm like Slankers that is grass-fed AND organic that grinds, includes organs and ships.

Now in Texas almost no one is capable of grass-feeding only fresh grass to their herds any more in this drought anyway. I will have to check to see if Slankers is having to supplement hay now. I'm sure they are. That should be taken into consideration. In a drought like this most farmers have no choice but feed hay and how that hay was raised is going to be suspect at slankers I now realize. The hay might have more pesticides and herbicides than he himself puts on the fields that his cows normally eat from. Most cattle farmers are having to buy hay from other farmers that are watering their hay crops.
Hay fed cows means more omega 6 and less omega 3.

Farmers using truly sustainable practices MAY not have to feed extra hay. There must be people in Texas using Holistic High Density Grazing methods. I am going to make a thread about that when I get around to it.

Thanks for your posts, and especially your last, Spacecowboy. It's good to have here people with valuable knowledge and experience such as yours.

No problem, this is what I truly care about!

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 07, 2011, 02:16:04 am »
For all toxins, including those in plants, the dose makes the poison. Many plants that are lethal when eaten in large quantities can be non-lethal and even medicinal when eaten in small quantities. Most wild animals know this, and will intuitively limit their consumption of plants that could be lethal in large quantities. Domestic animals, for reasons I don't understand, have often lost this ability. Cows and sheep are the best examples, while goats seem to have more of their original instincts remaining.

This, in my opinion, is a really important reason to eat wild meat because in addition to the protein and high omega-3 fats you also get all of the plant medicines that the animal ate. In raised animals, even cows that are 100% grass fed, their diet is not very diverse and they get to eat very few herbs that might have medicinal value. So the meat won't have the same nutritional and medicinal value as that from a wild animal.

This also works for people. I, for instance, eat poison ivy throughout the year in small quantities. Its primary medicinal benefit is that eating it in small amounts makes me immune to the oil, which usually causes severe contact dermatitis in most people. Before I started incorporating it into my spring and summer diet, I would have horrible reactions to the plant and had to go to the doctor on a few occasions for steroid prescriptions to get the rashes under control. Now, even after severe exposures, I rarely get more than a tiny, tiny reaction consisting of perhaps one or two pinhead-sized blisters, which heal in a day or two.

It's not just instinct. The animals LEARN what to eat. If you confine cows to a pasture of nothing but grass and clover, they will never learn to eat weeds. You can teach cows to eat things that they normally wouldn't eat, like thistle. Start with cows trained to eat out of a pail, pick thistle and feed in the pails coated with molasses. Slowly take away the molasses and just feed thistle. Suddenly you have cows that like to eat thistle. Animals learn from their mothers what is good to eat. There are cows out there that have never tasted grain and will refuse it if offered to them.

I have watched my cows eat raspberry leaves, ash trees, cherry trees, ferns, sorrel...

Another factor however is that cows are designed to eat grass. That's their staple. Goats are designed to eat woody shrubs and sheep are designed to eat broad leaved herbs. There are reasons why sheep have it worse than cows and cows have it worse than goats when figuring out poisonous plants. I am really not sure what those reasons are. Something about goats isn't totally domesticated. It's known among goat people that you must never lose a fight with your herd sire, because if you do there is the possibility that your hole heard can turn back into the wild.

I don't think there is any wild game that puts on fat like a beef cow or sheep does and in my book that makes both of them nutritiously superior in that department. Also, in the U.S. deer get fed lots of corn and soy by hunters and wild boar and bear and most vermin eat all kinds of garbage and maraud conventional farms. If you are lucky enough to live in pristine wilderness, then more power to you.

Also, in U.S. deer are overpopulated and often not very healthy, I have helped slaughter a deer that was absolutely COVERED in keds, have heard of deer covered in ticks. My goats never have more than a few ticks or a few keds.

Masanobu Fukuoka said something along the lines of "to my horror I discovered that nature was no longer truly natural, and humanity no longer truly human".

Dorothy, I wouldn't worry so much about feeding your dogs slankers, I highly doubt it's going to hurt them. I don't think it would hurt us most likely either, however I just don't agree with their practices, I would want to support farmers who use practices I believe in. Some people, especially youngsters or those with chemical sensitivities, may be harmed by slankers. It is probably almost totally impossible to quantify what harm could be done to them.

General Discussion / Re: What rawpalaeo foods are you eating right now?
« on: October 06, 2011, 11:09:15 pm »
Man that sounds so good.

I have a rose veal that I can't keep alive for various reasons, I am wondering if it's cold enough yet to pull this off. He is about 300 pounds or so.

I would have to transport the carcase 500 miles lol, I wonder if this is worth trying or if I should just freeze it. Any suggestions?

I am moving to southern Ohio.

Fermented cod liver oil. The best source of food derived vitamin D. Also Duck eggs and fish roe.

I know humans aren't livestock, but the vet that I trust recommends upping the dosage of Boron in the mineral lick of stock suffering from Eczema.

The cows that I got from the dairy I worked at have eczema, but not nearly as badly as the ones still at the dairy. I took them down to half the feed I was feeding them, switched them onto organic feed, added kelp to their diet and also gave them redmond's salt block. I think next year they won't get eczema. Eczema in stock is usually brought on during periods of high summer heat.

Again, we aren't ruminants, but I think that a lot that works for them will work for us too.

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 06, 2011, 10:58:08 pm »
Among poisonous plants, there are those that are mildly toxic and there are those that are extremely toxic. Most plants have some degree of toxicity, though grass is generally very low in toxicity, clover being much higher. Depending on what foods are available to eat, toxic plants can become a problem. Sometimes early in the season, the toxic plants can be some of the first to sprout, they might not even be toxic when they sprout. Then either the animal is forced to eat a toxic plant because nothing else is available or the animal is eating the toxic plant that hasn't yet become toxic, then after the plant becomes poisonous, the animal may be poisoning itself without realizing it because it had become used to eating the plant!

Deer will eat poisonous plants. I have heard that deer meat in the winter in some parts is no good because they deer are eating pine and rhododendron (a very toxic plant that can even make honey toxic).

Animals are smart though. If options are available to them they generally will not kill themselves. Sheep are a bit dumber than cows and goats, they are more likely to kill themselves randomly. Sometimes there is a nutrient or mineral the animal is desperately in need of that the animal eats the poisonous plant regardless of the toxicity. Usually, especially goats but also cows and sheep, will eat just a little bit of a poisonous plant and move on. Toxic plants can actually be good for them! In fact, I would venture to say that probably one of the big reasons why farmers may have bad parasite problems is because they killed all the toxic plants that help their animals to deal with parasites!

Animals use plants as medicine, they can treat themselves if there is enough available to them. They are REALLY REALLY smart. They can taste and smell the nutrition and minerals that they need. They also remember the places where they found food that that they needed and they return to those places again and again. They practice true Instincto when they are in a farm that simulates nature.

Poisonous plants can be an issue for farmers, but treating poison with poison... reminds of "two wrongs don't make a right".

General Discussion / Re: Slanker's sprays pesticides on their pasture
« on: October 06, 2011, 04:37:41 pm »
It's funny though, I kind of agree with KD. If I didn't grow my own food, even though they aren't organic I would have considered buying from them. However that kind of propaganda just pisses me off.

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