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I've enjoyed watching you navigate your public face. You've recovered gracefully from your mistakes.  Honing your craft and laying low makes sense.

It reminds me of Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000-Hour Rule (from his book Outliers: The Story of Success. Quite simply, in addition to finding an extraordinary opportunity to become successful, you need superior preparation; you need to have practiced for the proverbial 10,000 hours.

General Discussion / Re: Potato, sweet potato and high carb sources?
« on: August 22, 2016, 07:55:43 am »
I eat a low-carb diet, but never a zero-carb diet.

For vegetables, I enjoy them fermented most of the time. I eat carrots, beets, and sweet potatoes this way. I don't get much in the way of carbs this way because the amounts are more like "condiments" for variety, not "servings" for quantity.

I also enjoy carbs in nuts. Still not a super-starch like potatoes, nuts have a good amount of carbs compared to lettuce.

How are you with honey? Fermented or not, honey is the epitome of high carbs!

And for a great snack food, try sprouted corn kernels (get the kind for sprouting, not popcorn) or even sprouted peas. Despite the controversies over corn, the sprouted kernel has a good amount of starch left. For flavor, sprouted corn is delicious. You can find out how to sprout corn and other things at

Needless to say, I am appalled that they did not even bother  asking DN/SB  to defend his diet, just asking foolish mainstream nutritionists. Perhaps SB could ask the Guardian to do an article on him since the above was so one-sided?

Geoff, every newspaper has what's called its editorial stance, in which the owner, publisher, and editor-in-chief decide what they "believe" in. There is no need to be appalled. It's a logical system with a logical progression: a news organization takes a stance, attracts like-minded readers, and is popular with the people it serves. The Guardian, although its beginnings were steeped in controversy and change,  has a middle-class mainstream audience today, and there is lots of readership in that demographic. This particular company is selling what its customers are buying.

Like the saying goes: "Rocks are hard and water is wet." It is what it is.

Aromatherapy is incorporated in DBT as a suggestion for finding pleasurable activities for each of the 5 senses. I'm really into it myself, using oils that you can buy plus whole spices that smell good. I don't connect it to specific healing as much, they way some do, but I think that it is a valid healing modality, if you get into it.

I realize that you were asking originally about raw paleo as a healing option. I'd say yes because it takes such a burden off the body. But the burden can be lifted too slowly to rely on RPD solely. Think in terms of near-sightedness - you'd still wear glasses until the raw healing took place. Same with needing therapy right now.

Psychotherapy and meds are notoriously useless, and are often very dangerous. One serious possibility other than what I recommended above would be cognitive behavioural therapy.

Yes, that's why I didn't recommend psychotherapy or meds unless immediate relief is needed. Tony Robbins says, "You can change in an instant, but sometimes it takes you ten years to arrive at that instant." This person has already tried a program with no success, so it sounds like there's more work to be done.

The reported behaviors suggest that there is a massive underlying problem. Minimizing hoarding behavior by suggesting that family members throw out a few items now and then is irresponsible. The problem here is not the hoarded items, like you make it sound!

CBT is a precursor to DBT, but DBT is massively more successful because it addresses broader issues, while CBT stops at identifying the cognitions and addressing them only. I am not a therapist, but I am trained in both CBT and DBT as an adjunct provider. I've seen it work wonders to slow down the mindless progression to pointless, impulsive behaviors. DBT is usually taught in groups with awesome dynamics among the participants.

CBT works well with depression and other mood disorders. This person is not just depressed. Why wouldn't anyone with behavioral problems use the behavioral therapy that is more specific to problem moods?

A good long-term solution for compulsive behaviors is Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). In DBT, the patient learns to become mindful of the goal of the ineffective behavior and is then able to select a different behavior to achieve the goal. As in the Greek philosophical style called dialectics, DBT teaches a person to spend more time weighing the options before acting. I've seen it work wonders for people who act on impulses that are destructive. There are good DIY workbooks, but I'd find a DBT therapist and probably DBT classes or group therapy for someone who is so out-of-control.

An example of a "goal" for compulsive hoarding might be to "feel calmer," yet hoarding will not lead to calmness. The patient needs to find alternate behaviors that will lead to the goal of calmness, such as listening to music or doing a hobby. It is a fairly simple process, but it takes a few months (or more) to master.

There are many psych-meds that can alleviate compulsive behaviors, but the side-effects can be debilitating. Sometimes side effects are tolerable at first until the patient learns other ways of dealing with the behavior. If someone is wrecking their family's life, the quick results of medication might be justified.

The family might need therapy and support, too. Good luck.

Off Topic / Re: Give us a laugh !
« on: August 20, 2016, 04:11:03 am » 

How is this humorous? Sexual violence is a crime, not a comedy. It happens even in "polite" society. Pointing a finger at others' iniquity is an attempt to deny one's own culpability, and it's not funny, either.

Hot Topics / Re: Sanderson Farms is a bad boy
« on: August 19, 2016, 01:16:09 pm »
Can sheep be fed on grains? It is just that halal has all sorts of religious restrictions which are no use to an RPDer, such as removing all the blood etc., but, afaik, there are no halal commands for certain animals to be grassfed or antibiotic-free etc. I once went around London asking for grassfed halal meat, they looked at me like I was a moron.

Yes, sheep can be fed on grains.

Muslims, at least in California, are not robots of their scriptures. They are regular people with customs and habits, like all people in all cultures.

The typical consumer at the ranch I go to expects grassfed because he knows that the meat is no good from a grain fed lamb. There's a taste difference, plus he is close enough to the slaughter process to have seen grass vs grain innards. At the ranch, being it's the dry summer season, they expect to see mountains of hay and no bags of grain. Anyway, that's what I get told when I ask, even though I probably look like a moron.

Really knowing your meat is pretty typical of a nose-to-tail consumer. I've read that the religious custom of offering the blood to a god was practiced in the Middle East by the early tribal religions, long before it became incorporated in the Hebrew law, then the Islamic law. Oftentimes, a food sacrifice was eaten by the priest, so maybe the custom started when some blood-loving priest demanded all the fresh blood be offered on his god's altar. Sluuurp!

Hot Topics / Re: Sanderson Farms is a bad boy
« on: August 19, 2016, 07:08:50 am »
And the more extreme the profit motive, the more extreme the deceptions will be. Farmers aren't exactly rich, and our society is not exactly going out of its way to help them survive. *shrug*

Hereabouts, farmers are rich in land, which makes people think that the farmers live on easy street. Their reality is that they live in wealth on the edge of a bottomless pit. Boom or bust.

That's another reason I look at how the farm is supported (i.e., who are the consumers). My thinking is that a community farm, such as Garden to Table is more likely to be on the up-and-up than the farmer who trucks produce into the city's big "organic" farmer's market. I never know when organic loses to  aphid-infested unless I can actually see what's happening.

That's what makes halal sheep farmers so good in my area: they have to operate under watchful eyes in their community. It's not perfect, but it sure beats dealing with big corporate buyers who care more about the dollar than the quality.

Hot Topics / Re: New Uk documentary on how to live Stone-Age-style
« on: August 19, 2016, 06:51:03 am »
Yummy maggots! Half protein, one-third fat. I doubt she stopped complaining long enough to taste one.

Hot Topics / Re: Sanderson Farms is a bad boy
« on: August 17, 2016, 08:00:09 am »
I never got the hang of black soldier fly larvae. The problem was that I wasn't attracting BSF adults to lay the eggs. I got some young BSFL from someone else, hoping that their presence would attract adults, but nothing happened.

I did get a windfall of housefly larvae - maggots - and I prefer them. BSFL take 2 - 3 weeks to the full-grown larval stage; housefly larvae are plump in less than a week in summer temperatures. If I were raising bugs to feed chickens, I would be happy with a maggot self-feeder, in which the maggots that are ready to pupate crawl out of a suspended bucket and get gobbled up by chickens. Youtube has lots of videos with good, cheap set-ups for chicken. I used glass mason jars for my maggots, to avoid plastic. I live in a very dry climate, so I had to keep the whole thing covered with air vents, or else the bait and the maggots would just dry out.

Often, permaculture farms (I think that's what they call themselves) "raise" maggots on cattle dung, where the hens feed after the cattle rotates to a fresh patch of pasture. I'm purely an "urban homesteader" who squeezes food out of a tiny backyard.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 13, 2016, 01:52:16 am »
Right now, I have the following:

beef, lamb heart, crab, scallops, hamachi, dried small anchovies, larvae
kimchi, fermented radish, and fermented cauliflower
butter and lamb fat
arugula and mustard greens
olives (locally produced), pine nuts
(semi)local-harvest dried seaweeds

I've arranged for a whole lamb in about a month, but I'm moving in two weeks and don't want it until after I am in the new house.

I stick to seasonal eating for the most part, so I get variety throughout the year. I have access to figs, peaches, nectarines, lemons, and oranges from trees in the backyard. I'm not a big fruit eater, so I make do with my share of what grows here. The new house has lemons and tunas rojas. I'll plant a mini-orchard and kitchen garden there. I'm the only raw-food eater in my family of five, and I have my own kitchen in the "mother-in-law unit". Everybody else cooks their mostly-paleolithic foods.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 10:58:11 pm »
In a weak defense of coffee: you might be wanting it because your liver needs the bitterness to remove the stagnation you describe. If you use coffee this way, as a strong medicine, you should consider using food as medicine, too. Bitter vegetables can be nibbled or mixed in with a salad or wrapped around a chunk of meat. It's really not a simple topic that can be studied in one sitting, but you sound like you've been trying things out and want to find simple, real solutions. Imagine yourself a caveperson with an ailment, and you'll realize that raw food is what you'd have to work with. Learn what to nibble from the plants, animals, and earth around you.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 01:15:29 pm »
We're not the paleo police, but the whole idea of a paleolithic diet is to pre-date the processing of food that went along with the invention of pottery, pots, agriculture, etc. Some eat high meat, but that's really not the point of paleo. Also, as you know, the term "paleo diet" can mean many things, including coconut ice cream and coconut flour pancakes. Of course, paleolithic man didn't eat like that.

If you think you're doing fine, that's a good thing. I'll bow out of this conversation because I feel bad with cooked food and particularly grains, so I have no advice to offer.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 11:21:43 am »
I tried the zero grain thing for a while and i found that i do best with a little bit. The only grains i eat are corn and rice, and they dont seem to bother me. Plus it adds a bit of resistant starch which seems to help me with my sleep as well.

What's in your ezekiel bread? Wheat!

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 11:19:08 am »
FWIW, I spent YEARS eating "healthy" food like ezekiel bread and trying to detox as I kept poisoning my body with good grains. I came to this forum in my late 50s, unable to walk for more than a few feet at a time. It took me TWO DAYS of raw paleo eating to make a big transformation. Literally, I showed up at work on a Monday morning after eating raw paleo over the weekend and everybody noticed that I looked great!

Raw eating is not a "supplemental" thing for me now. If I stick to ancestral eating, I don't need to do extra "detox" protocols. My blood sugar and hemoglobin A1C are in the normal range, not diabetic as before. Severe arthritis in my shoulders, hands, feet still "shows up" on x-rays but I have no pain, even when I walk for over a mile. Various other blood tests are normal now. Periodontal disease is gone. My mood is stable. I haven't experienced binge-eating disorder symptoms for years. I never get gall-bladder pain, despite eating a ton of raw animal fat. No more heartburn and hiccups after meals.

I'm sorry if you didn't get the impression that this forum is about raw, unprocessed paleolithic foods. By referring to the paleolithic period, we are talking about a hunter-gatherer diet, what mankind ate before the dawn of agriculture (which brought grains and legumes into prominence).

I made a two-week commitment to raw paleo eating at first, and that was enough to convince me that I had found the solution to my ailments. I would suggest you give that a try, instead of trying to neutralize the poisons that you are eating.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 06:14:35 am »
update number 5... Im taking (on average) a piece the size of a medium sized marble 3 times a day. I dunno if those exist, but in between a small and large marble

She posted this today.

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 05:16:44 am »
how much high meat are you eating?

She stated how much she is eating. This might help:

General Discussion / Re: liver pains with high meat
« on: August 12, 2016, 04:33:56 am »
Shaya, what are you eating and drinking besides the high meat? I'm not asking for a meal-by-meal run-down, but a simple, raw diet can still have some items that are common triggers for symptoms that you describe.

Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: August 11, 2016, 11:10:51 pm »
Most of the raw dairy producers in this country are amish....

What do you mean by "most" and "in this country"? I live in it, too, and I visit all sorts of farms and ranches, and I've never seen an Amish-owned dairy farm.

Go read a book on organic farming. None of that crap is in the instructions.

The many organic ranches and farms in this area are as mechanized as they can afford to be. Even back when I was growing up in the 1950s, when all diary was locally produced, the cow-side of dairy farming was highly mechanized, (however, the processing side still involved a lot of carrying buckets of milk around and pouring it by hand into the separator and pasteurizer).

Have you ever tried going without raw dairy? Perhaps your daily intake of milk is causing your troll-like thoughts and posts. I'd consider that a significant problem that might be helped with a change in diet, particularly a change that lowers inflammation, which can trigger irritating behavior. One clue that diet is the culprit may be that you have reported ongoing "detox" symptoms. What can be left to detox if your intake is not irritating you? After all, even in the most pristine ancestral scene, the quantity of milk that you drink on a year-round basis would be unheard of.  Also, your choice of cow's milk over smaller animal varieties is a totally neolithic concept. It would be a challenge at first, but I'm sure there's a mellow-er you somewhere, waiting to be liberated.

General Discussion / Re: Vacuum packed tuna and swordfish
« on: August 11, 2016, 06:03:23 am »
A salt that keeps things moist?

Salts are hydrophilic. I'm not sure why you have a problem with that. Sometimes, table salt is sold with anti-caking agents added to prevent the salt from attracting moisture out of the air.

Salts can be used as laxatives, too, based on the same principle: drinking a salt solution with attract water into the colon, up to the point of diarrhea.

General Discussion / Re: Vacuum packed tuna and swordfish
« on: August 11, 2016, 05:30:22 am »
E300 is labeled in the US as ascorbic acid, and it is used to prevent food from oxidizing. E350 is some other acid, probably used for the same purpose.

Here in the US, a lot of cut fish are delivered wet packed, meaning that the cut surfaces of the fillets have been coated with sodium tripolyphosphate. The reasoning is that they are "fresh" this way. STPP is a salt that keeps things moist, even to the point of adding water weight. That's another good reason to buy the whole fish and a use your own knife.

Health / Re: Water intake/needs
« on: August 08, 2016, 11:26:30 pm »
Iv probably drank less than 2 gallons of water in the past 3 years and i love it. Only time i drink it is when i dont have milk or tomatoes  and it makes me feel terrible every time.

Usually if milk isnt available i quench thirst with tomatoes and it works great.

I hate water and it makes me feel terrible.

I hope you dehydrate that milk and those tomatoes first so that you don't get any of their corrosive water in your body.

I have a long history of orthopedic inflammation. While eating correctly eliminates daily pain, there are adhesions, what they call adhesive capsulitis and things like that, that have constrained the correct movement of some of my joints. Where the movement is constrained, injury gets repeated.

Magnesium supplementation is a must for me, as are sunbathing plus vitamin D supplementation, but I use movement exercises as the basis for healing. Years ago, I used to think that chiropractic was going to help, but I was disappointed in the results and developed my own hybrid routines based on yoga and pilates plus Feldenkrais, Yamuna, Egoscue, and Gokhale methods. (Of all these, Feldenkrais has given me the awareness of movement that guides me. Feldenkrais seemed weird at first - I went to one class and left disappointed, then I started watching Youtube Feldenkrais practitioners and learned its value.) I also use cupping, which decongests and feels great, and soaking in all sorts of delicious herbs, minerals, and clays.

Perhaps you can explore the movements in your affected joints. You'd be looking for ways in which your wrists are "limping" or compensating to avoid pain, but causing pain in other ways. Sometimes you find that the imbalance is muscular, which happens when you compensate for pain with an opposing muscle. Other times, you need to balance the stretchiness of the joint. Whatever you chose to do, you'll be moving fluids in and around the joints, and that is important.

General Discussion / Re: Fat Digestion
« on: August 04, 2016, 04:19:19 am »
Eating more fat is not the goal of ancestral eating, but it seems to go hand-in-hand with the ancestral diet if you cut out grains and legumes, which can make up about 50% of the "standard" diet. Let's say, in round numbers, you want to eat 2,000 kcal per day; that would be 1,000 kcal of carbs, or 250 g from carbs. In other words, you need to replace about 10 servings of bread and beans, which you are not eating, in order to get enough calories to be satisfied. You wouldn't want to make a straight protein substitution because you'd be eating way too much protein. Some people go straight for the bananas, as in 30 bananas per day, but that might seem a little quirky to most people. So yes, you do eat more fat.

I say: find your own balance, somewhere between the seal-eaters and the tuber-eaters. Once you have a good starting point, you can gradually move in one direction or another for the sake of experimentation or availability.

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