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General Discussion / Re: Two questions! (buying and washing)
« on: January 22, 2014, 04:45:03 pm »
Quote from: Iguana on January 22, 2014, 03:47:54 pm
How would you be able to store them for months without processing? They'll get rotten in a few days!

Gathering food in bulk for processing is the main reason why natural food reserves have been depleted around the planet.
I meant in the freezer, as frozen solid. And not that much in bulk (just enough for oneself).
Natural resources are depleted because there are far too many humans, and because people in general are incapable of looking forward to see the consequences of their actions. And as well it is gathered in bulk in the hopes to sell it for profit, doesn't matter if there is need or not or whether a lot goes to waste.

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General Discussion / Re: Two questions! (buying and washing)
« on: January 22, 2014, 08:55:13 am »
Quote from: AnopsStudier on January 22, 2014, 08:39:36 am
thanks!  Ive been craving alot of berries, citrus(lemons, limes), and leafy greens lately.    I buy them all organic but from a grocery store/market.  Should I be washing this organic produce from the grocery store?

And i do plan on buying from the farmers market for some of my foods when it opens up again this spring.. Do I need to wash these foods from there?
About berries, a good idea would be to go to forests, when in season, and pick wild ones in bulk, enough to store and eat even over the winter (blueberries, cranberries, cowberries, etc. or whatever around your location).

I don't wash berries myself, unless they're freshly picked and kind of dirty. If you do wash them make sure the water ain't too cold nor warm either. Cold takes some berries easily and if they're really ripe then warm can mush 'em up.
If you wash them and plan to store them in the freezer then first let them try out, preferably on some cloth. Otherwise you'll end up with a block of berries you need a hammer to separate.

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General Discussion / Re: Two questions! (buying and washing)
« on: January 22, 2014, 07:22:18 am »
I use simple soap and water for washing apples, for example, if they're commercial grade. Otherwise just water or not at all.

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Off Topic / Re: Beyondveg blatant error and oversight
« on: January 20, 2014, 12:37:58 pm »
Quote from: cherimoya_kid on January 20, 2014, 11:39:07 am
Don't bother reading or responding to anything on that site.  It's not worth your energy.   :)
You spent some of yours? Dumb to ask I guess...

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Off Topic / Re: Whats the consensus on Edward Snowden
« on: January 20, 2014, 07:57:15 am »
Quote from: sabertooth on January 20, 2014, 07:33:12 am
Putin already knows more about whats going on than Snowden could possibly tell him.
This basically says it all.

The treason and such, simply a charade for the public, to keep people's biased/brainwashed/indoctrinated mentalities in check. Propaganda, and nothing more. Wouldn't wonder if it's all orchestrated... as matters like this are always dodgy and shady on all sides. And even if wasn't, they are all wrong with all their ways either way.

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Off Topic / Re: Yippeee!! Mini-Ice Age on the way!!!!
« on: January 20, 2014, 04:41:58 am »
Quote from: RogueFarmer on January 20, 2014, 02:54:33 am
I always seem to be in an absolute minority in the belief that global warming is real, but not caused by pollution but rather agriculture. History seems to show us this fact, that almost all if not all deserts are man made constructs. It's just simple physics that green grass reflects heat waves while dead grass and bare earth absorb it. When you spread this over continents and continents (two thirds of the surface of the earth is near barren dry land and the majority of humid farm land is tilled) not only do you have a physical warming but also a large absence in c02 absorbing plants.

I just don't understand why this goes over everyone's heads and even when I explain it in basic English no one believes me. Not global warming believers or non believers. However this is just plain simple logic for anyone to observe with a scant level of knowledge of natural science and physics.
There're the earth's and the sun's and moon's natural cycles, there is pollution and there is agriculture, all in effect at once.

Almost all those biased with modern lies vomited by those so-called experts never will see things clearly, or at least sufficiently. Most problems humanity has and inflicts on our planet, our home, are the direct consequences of monetary system and the corruption it enables (and in turn what is the cause of this?).
Wrong diet, and idiotic advice, since birth makes people insensitive and unperceptive, why else are so many sick and notice an issue with health when it's already as good as too late, while we here are far more perceptive and sensitive to changes within ourselves, and around ourselves. As they don't even see themselves, how could they ever see what is around them? They don't, can't, and most all never will, not by their own will.

Climate change is a natural phenomenon nowadays influenced, for the worse, by human activities. To look at matters on our planet and to think our overpopulation is ever rising (they say needs and demands rise with it as well but that's a wrong way to look at it - only the need for reduction of population rises)... world war three pops to mind - a population reduction to try and prevent the worst (it might already be too late for alternatives, as I don't see anything workable reflected in media nor anywhere really, and the time to start making changes truly is right now). It would take at least 2-3, perhaps 4, generations to change the mind of the people enough, assuming necessary means were available to meanwhile force the new rules and ways. Dead end is straight ahead at current course.

I've explained to my own parents, in basic, fundamental logic, the reality about diet. And they adamantly stick to their knowledge from the "experts", no matter how obvious their fault is. It's like they completely lack objective logic and reasoning and overall are incapable of thinking realistically. And if you explained the same to total strangers... who are you to them? They refer immediately to their "experts" knowledge which disallows true independent thought and says in big bold red - INSANE.

The best that can be done, without possessing means to force the right ways, is to try and change people one individual at a time, perhaps a few to several at once depending on own time and effort. But this method might be far too slow, yet the only available one to us.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: please comment on this 7-minute high-intensity workout
« on: January 18, 2014, 11:04:52 pm »
Quote from: Eric on January 14, 2014, 06:46:18 am
I knew what you meant. I didn't misinterpret you. Nor did I mis-speak, or mis-type as the case may be. Doing 30-40 second, high intensity running sprints is perfectly good preparation for long distance running, with less wear and tear on one's body. Lifting heavy weights for 30-40 seconds or until failure is a perfectly good way to build muscular strength and stamina.

I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore, as I have better things to do. If you want to do your long, low intensity workouts, you're welcome to do them. Just realize that the science (and people's experience) suggests your workouts are less useful than you assume them to be, and they will cause far more wear and tear on your body.

Good luck with your pursuits.
Doing 30-40 second short sprints is not the same as running for hours.
Lifting heavy weights? You mean so heavy that you can only manage to lift the weight just once?
That would be lifting the weight for up to 5 seconds total, then in a need for rest. No, not the same here as well.
Seems to me you don't know what I meant and you did misinterpret. Because yo are getting it wrong.

I never said it's not a good way to train, what I said was it's not the same way. And since it's not the same, neither is the end result.

"Science" as well suggests that eating cooked foods is the right thing to do, and if you get ill you should take pills. We both know how wrong that all is, so why not extend the same here? And we all know, roughly, under which conditions our species has evolved. This "science" and our evolution say different things.
The fact, of reality, is that all these methods of training are different. Their outcomes might cover each other only partly, but they are not the same. This is my point, always was. Don't label something as something it is not.

Wear and tear is the reason you have success at training. If you want to run longer you need your body to be able to resist wear and tear longer, and the only way to do that is by creating more wear and tear equivalent to long runs, then by letting it heal, and then repeating - physical adaptation.

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General Discussion / Re: Native fruits ,vegetables, and greens. Midwestern
« on: January 16, 2014, 01:09:41 pm »
Can't know what early ancestors ate, no way to find out (yet, probably never).
Food all over the planet is made of basically the same building blocks of life. So, even if the species has never eaten it before it could still be metabolized, as the building blocks are the same.

It would be religious if it was regarded as absolute truth. But right now don't know and can't know for certain, can only think of possibilities and probabilities - the closest we can get, until something concrete is discovered.
Eternal youth - immortality... It wouldn't be life as we know it. Although life/nature as a phenomenon seems to be driving toward immortality, as our minds have the potential to enable the avoidance of extinction, and we are part of life/nature.

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And yes, I understand the concept of genetic adaptation over millions of years of evolution.... but then how is it that someone today from say Finland who's never had a durian, or rambutan etc... doesn't get sick and die
Perhaps it's simpler than adapting to specific foods... That instead over time adds information about new nutrients, toxins, etc., and how to react to them, into genes. (and if the info regarding a certain substance is not used for an extremely long period - millions of years - they are eventually discarded?). And as all life on Earth is made of the same stuff and those building blocks haven't really changed much, if at all, since life began, there's not much to adapt to other then new "inventions" of life/nature.

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General Discussion / Re: Native fruits ,vegetables, and greens. Midwestern
« on: January 16, 2014, 07:27:27 am »
Quote from: AnopsStudier on January 16, 2014, 03:02:58 am
How much do our genes have to do with our nutritional needs?  Personally being from all over northern Europe am I wired for those type of foods?  And in sense wouldnt I be better off living there?  or does that just sound crazy?
That depends how long past peoples remained in the same place. They adapted to those foods, then moved, adapted to those foods, moved again, etc., till they got back to the same region they "began" their journey. By then those foods had no doubt changed a bit, not exactly the same as before but genetically speaking they had had experience with them. And so for millions of years.
Then, say, two different groups that when looking back could be traced to the exact same origin, and now from regions the other had never been to, meeting and merging/mixing, sharing genetic data.
Don't know for sure "scientifically", just a possibility. As well, it is no secret peoples/tribes in the past from different regions have merged/mixed, and do to this time.

As to being from northern Europe, where did those people originate from?

Considering genetic "experience" you should be, theoretically, be best living off wherever your ancestors, all of them, had lived. Your body having enough experience to manage everything, in the extent it knows from genetics. And then on top of that the individual adapting capability that eventually, over a long period would become genetic "experience" (I'd say, a result of being subjected to many conditions rising a need dictated by survival to be able to adapt to completely new conditions).
There's probably as well a fading factor to genetic "experience". But... I don't know for certain (about any of this really), just what passes as objective logic for me (at the moment).

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General Discussion / Re: Native fruits ,vegetables, and greens. Midwestern
« on: January 16, 2014, 12:03:58 am »
Quote from: AnopsStudier on January 15, 2014, 11:38:53 pm

I believe that the food provided by the environment you live in, is the food supposed to be consumed by people (and animals) living there.   So if it doesnt naturally grow in the wild where you live... why eat it?
 
If there weren't present ways of transportation and travel, an easy way to get fruits and berries from the other side of the planet (as good as stuck in the certain region you live), then sure.

I always thought eating food native to a region was about a people's bodies having adapted better to those foods as a result of a very long period (thousands and tens of thousands of years) of living there, 'cause honestly, otherwise the idea of eating only native foods to a specific land is kind of stupid.
If one moves to another region, with other kinds of fruits and berries the person's body hasn't specifically adapted to the way I described...

As well, on a broader scale. Humanity is and will continue to progress onward, science and technology will keep advancing. Humans will not be limited to their native regions as we once were. Go ahead even farther, I mean manned interstellar travel, and colonization (must look at things positively, even though they're really fucked up right now). Eating everything from every region (quality stuff...) would the best decision even in the long run. If it's actual food, and your body can metabolize it without problems, then eat it.

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General Discussion / Re: Native fruits ,vegetables, and greens. Midwestern
« on: January 15, 2014, 03:43:00 pm »
Quote from: eveheart on January 15, 2014, 03:07:48 pm
But what kind of huge differences do you think you'll find in edible berries or edible greens or edible animal flesh from one ancestral home over another? Within their various classes, all foods are more similar than different. This is not something that has to be researched. We've most of us eaten foods from all over, and after all is said and done, each class of edible is more-or-less like the other. Yes, the difference between an apple and a pear is delightful, but the range of macro- and micro-nutrients pretty much gets covered anywhere you go.
Personally, I'd say consume whatever fruits and berries you can get your hands on, no matter where they come from, but as long as they're the real thing (not commercial devoid of nutrients kind, unless no other option).
The reason I said what I said was because the OP talked about native fruits and berries in US. The only reason I'd see a point for that was if wanted to eat what predecessors did; a certain people living in a certain area having adapted better to those particular fruits and berries over thousands of years. Otherwise, doesn't matter at all.

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General Discussion / Re: Native fruits ,vegetables, and greens. Midwestern
« on: January 15, 2014, 02:54:26 pm »
Quote from: AnopsStudier on January 15, 2014, 10:30:19 am
Im trying to find some links or books on wild native fruits , vegetables and edibles in the midwest and all over the US. but right now i currently live in the midwest (Northern Illinois)..

I kind of dont agree with eating fruits and vegetables that werent growing here originally.. Not that its unhealthy but Im just trying to become connected to nature and the original native foods!

Where can I find a list of native edibles for different states or regions?
When talking about native and US, are you Indian (native american)? Otherwise those fruits are not "native" to you; you should look back at your ancestry and where they lived (thousands of years back).

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: please comment on this 7-minute high-intensity workout
« on: January 14, 2014, 05:24:07 am »
Quote from: Eric on January 14, 2014, 01:10:15 am
Actually, this isn't true. Folks who use well designed high intensity programs can develop both stamina and power using short bursts of very intense exercise done infrequently, like I mentioned. It might sound antithetical to conventional exercise 'wisdom', but that doesn't make it incorrect.
I was talking about strength as in being able to lift really heavy weights (much heavier than yourself), that can not be achieved with only your own body weight.
Endurance as in being able to run for several hours, if the high intensity training doesn't last about as long then it won't have that similar result.

It's not just about muscles either, there's as well bones, joints, tendons that need to adapt. If you do only high intensity training then they will adapt to that physical activity, to those movements and strain.
What you are saying is as good as saying running gives the same effect as lifting weights in the gym, they are both different, the results are different, how it affects the body is different. They are not one and the same, the results may partly cover each other, but they are not the same. This applies to high intensity as well. They are all different, one can not replace the other in effect (unless casual working out and being physically just healthy is the purpose).

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: please comment on this 7-minute high-intensity workout
« on: January 14, 2014, 12:39:58 am »
Quote from: DaBoss88 on January 13, 2014, 09:11:05 pm
Nummi, ever hear of HIIT, or high intensity interval training? You mention exercising for an hour+. But the science supporting HIIT shows that you can get a better workout in less time.
Better? I don't think so; depends what I want from the workout; it is a method of training on its own. If strength and long lasting endurance (really long) and stamina are the goal, then that little is nowhere near enough to get where I want. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have positive impact toward the goal if added into "schedule", for higher variety. But saying it is better is dead wrong; it's not even in the same category.

The article basically said doing that 7-minute thing is as good or better than running for hours or going to gym. It's not; those who run for that long do it to train endurance, so they'd last even longer.
The same about lifting weights, you can not gain strength the same way, nor anywhere near as much, when doing a 7-minute training with only your own weight.

If they had called it what it is, not compare it to something as if being equivalent, then I'd have no problem. It's not the same; they lied.

If you want to run 5 hours straight you can not achieve that by doing only what they suggested. If you want to lift 200 kilos off ground you can not achieve that by doing only what they suggested. Yet they spoke generally, as if their way applies to everything.

Not to mention running outside, for a while once in a while, preferably in the sun and fresh air, is a very good idea.

Lasting under strain for long periods is part of how we have evolved (hunting and carrying the prey). Sure, our lifestyle according to this is unnatural but still, why lie and say it is the same or as good an outcome if it is not?

Optimal would be doing everything - this high intensity thing, gym and weights, and cardio for long periods, and lighter training, and whatever else. Would be good for our evolution up the slope as well (but... that's like hundreds of thousands of years and more to see an effect).

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: please comment on this 7-minute high-intensity workout
« on: January 13, 2014, 08:25:26 pm »
For me, personally, that wouldn't be anywhere near enough. I wouldn't settle for a training below an hour (probably the result of training over the years, so...).
I'd get out of that only about half of warm-up for the rest hour to two.

Just as is with diet and eating, you have to listen to your body what you need, it is similar with physical training. It's what I've noticed. Sometimes you feel like doing some exercises or exercising some specific muscles, other times others. Some times some exercises you don't want to do at all, just doesn't feel right. Body knows in this regard as well, it's best to listen to it.

I used to have workout routines/plans/whatever and I dropped them months before I went raw. And began listening more to what my body feels like and tells me. Still had a general idea of what to train a training-day, a general area, but nothing specific muscle wise nor exercise wise. When training, should increase physical load from time to time, so the body would get stronger and more enduring.
I as well did keep in mind that from bigger muscles to smaller ones (in the gym), but even that was slowly disappearing. Then my heart problem hit hard...

In the article it says it fulfills high intensity efforts like running long and going to the gym. Whoever wrote that article is a total idiot or extremely credulous and/or ignorant, or rather all at once. The person obviously has never ran nor been to the gym herself, nor knows anything about training.
That it shows molecular changes comparable to several hours of running, and that from "scientists"?? Too late making me laugh. Seriously, they should tell this to marathon runners, in fact all the athletes, and see them fail their career.
That you can lift heavier and heavier loads just by doing this 7-minute crap? No, you really can not. Muscles must adapt, if they don't feel heavier loads to adapt to then they won't. I wonder, what would those guys lifting really heavy weights have to say about this article?
The ones who made these conclusions have never done physical training themselves, or else they would not have suggested something so... idiotic. This in turn makes them unqualified to make such conclusions and publish them as if true in the first place.

The purpose of running is to make your body, muscles, heart, be able to last for long periods under physical strain. The point of going to gym is primarily about making your body be able to lift heavier and heavier loads. Doing this 7-minute crap you don't get any of these. All this 7-minute thing would be useful as is a warm-up preceding the training itself.

Anyone, who has done training, true training, for months, even years, knows this article to be total bullshit (unless used as a warm-up...).
Honestly, another effort to make/keep people weak, aside all this industrial crap shops are full of. And the worst part, if something is claimed to be scientifically "proved", or just claimed by "authority", most people tend to be so credulous and stupid that they don't even begin using their own minds to see the validity of the claim.

If you want physical fitness go running, other times go to the gym. And remember to keep adding effort and strain, whether longer and longer runs, or in the gym heavier and heavier weights. Must eat right (no point going in detail especially about this here). Must have days free of training for the body to rest, heal, and grow. Basically all you need to know about training.

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Health / Re: Sleep, anxiety, focusing and thinking issues
« on: January 10, 2014, 08:21:28 am »
Quote from: tests on January 10, 2014, 07:22:33 am
Hello everyone, i am having problems with stress, anxiety and problems thinking. Essentially, i just cannot seem to think too much or focus on things... And i have trouble sleeping. Is it a magnesium deficiency? Vitamin d?
I had similar before I went raw, aside other occasional problems I then didn't even know were problems.

Had to move and as a result right now I don't have good fat, just some commercial cooked pig fat crap, and as a result I feel "foggy" physically and mentally, it's not right. If goes well I can get real fat in the beginning of february.

Raw, quality fat is very important for the mind. And as well all vitamins and stuff, in undamaged form. It might help to map out the vitamins you get and, approximately, how much, just to see if you might have deficiency of some.

I personally felt the best when I was about 90% carnivorous. Lasted a week though, 'cause ran out of fat, couldn't get more, then had to move, a mess. I had mental and physical clarity I have never experienced before. Sleep was great, waking up was great, learning/studying great and went so well, everything just great, like there was energy for everything. Pure, calm, and strong energy, not this current foggy crap that makes me feel like I need to do something, anything, but just won't.

I've had problems with sleeping, like lying in bed for 5 hours before falling asleep. Anxiety, depression, mental "blocks", etc. All of which I didn't know were abnormal and went away when I went raw.

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Off Topic / Re: Resolutions, Declaration, and Awakening in the new year.
« on: January 08, 2014, 08:35:56 pm »
Quote from: ys on January 08, 2014, 06:36:53 am
You say a lot of words but totally no substance. Go ahead and enlighten us why people are lazy, why are they greedy, why are they selfish, why do they easily succumb to comfort?  If it is not a human nature then what is it?
You think saying it's "human nature" is of some substance? It is of absolutely no substance - it answers no questions, gives no solutions. All it does is keep you from looking for real answers, for real solutions.
My point here is not to give you the answers, my point is to show that you are essentially dead wrong, is to make you ask those questions from yourself and give answers to yourself, all for yourself. So you would see things are not as simple as it's "human nature". As DaBoss said, it limits and disables you, and it does.

If you confront a problem, something you can't get around or over, and the only way of removing/fixing it is by looking into it for the reasons and causes why it is there and why it is as it is. The same goes about humanity and all the negative characteristics it has.

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Here is some reality for you.  Go ahead ask forum members now many of them convinced their parents to eat raw meat.  I have yet to find a single case.
And again. You don't say it's "human nature", you look for the specific reasons why. "Human nature" answers absolutely nothing.

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That's true cooked paleo is very popular.  That's because it is not radical and does not require drastic lifestyle change.  As soon as you introduce radical component such as raw meat 99.999% immediately look away.  You will probably get one here one there onboard but that's where it'll end.  People like to see results.  A good example to reach masses is 120 year old still functioning on their own.  Or 70year old that has looks and fitness level of a 40year old.  People are very skeptical to all sorts of studies but are sold very quickly when they see effective pictures.
And to none of it the answer is "human nature".

Results and effective pictures. Simply have to find people, easiest would be those who've tried so many things, so many different ways, nothing worked, but never went raw either. Then show them what stories we have, so far, of people healing themselves, explain them how things are, how they work, or should work, and why. Have them try it, for a month or so, and have them see whether condition improves or not; what do they have to lose? Once done, to make their story public. This is the most effective method; you can't fight real results. (Should definitely take before and after pictures.)
As sabertooth said, if doesn't want raw right away might as well go cooked, it'd be a significant improvement diet wise still. If sees improvements on cooked, and wants more, or just to see how it would be, then try raw.
Once I've got myself cured and matters fixed I'll eventually start looking into it here as well. Would be nice to look back at my life, once old, and see that I've made a difference for the better. Saying it's "human nature" gets you and humanity nowhere, because once you regard something as "human nature" you will not look any further.

As well, ain't it sort of funny how only negative characteristics seem to be regarded as "human nature"? And that "human nature" is only brought in when addressing negative features? Just sayin'...

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Off Topic / Re: Resolutions, Declaration, and Awakening in the new year.
« on: January 07, 2014, 08:16:10 pm »
Quote from: ys on January 07, 2014, 11:19:01 am
Well, good luck with that.  I've known a lot of people in life and only handful are willing to change.  The rest of them will absolutely not change their lifestyle even when on deathbed.
You see they are unwilling to change, and seems obvious that's all you see. I see they are unwilling and then I look at why. What you see immediately, on the surface, is not the whole truth.
Don't need luck. There's no luck.
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you must be very young.
The fact that age is completely irrelevant shows you are biased, as you brought it in. As if the fact that one has lived longer gives that person precedence, no matter that the person omits so much relevant, that the person obviously doesn't see the entire picture. Sorry, not how things work. If you're wrong you're wrong no matter your age. There are so many examples to give showing that age determines as good as nothing; how long one has lived does not reflect mental maturity.
I've seen older people than me, even really old, say so stupid things. Regarding the issue only on the surface even though they should already know better (even there I ask why so - why do they see so little). Are you like them? Not much point to ask, is there?

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Off Topic / Re: Resolutions, Declaration, and Awakening in the new year.
« on: January 06, 2014, 05:53:45 pm »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on January 06, 2014, 04:15:01 pm
I'm betting this is what true health does to you.
I'd say it's rather that true health makes one see things more clearly and more efficiently, compared to SAD diet, the brain being not bogged down by toxins and damaged nutrients and lack of nutrients. And if you see how matters are, you see the flaws and mistakes and what makes it not well, you will want to change it all for a better. You will start thinking, considering what could and can be done, the actions that can be taken. It's simply our mind doing what it has evolved for - all connected to survival down and up the line. This planet will die one day, and our minds can produce a way off it before that happens.

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Off Topic / Re: Resolutions, Declaration, and Awakening in the new year.
« on: January 06, 2014, 06:16:16 am »
Quote from: ys on January 06, 2014, 05:18:56 am
The question is do people want this alternative?  You have to look at big picture. Most people put convenience, comfort, and temporary pleasures far ahead of own health.  And you can't change that.  That's a human nature.
Saying it's "human nature" is like saying "god made it". They both keep you from looking further for real answers.

Why do they put all those things ahead of own health? "Human nature" is no answer. And yes, you can change that. But first you have to figure out the reasons and causes why people are as they are, why they value what they do. And there are many reasons, many answers.

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In case of headache or stomachache most would prefer a quick pill. Very few would take longer natural approach.  99% of the population is satisfied with symptom treating.  Because it is convenient and give immediate results.
Why is it convenient and as if "gives immediate results"? Why can't they see the bigger picture? Why can't they see things so obvious? Why are they so blind?
"Human nature"? No.

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That's the reason why fast food is thriving even though every media outlet have been blasting it for the last 15 years or so.  That's the reason why people smoke, drink, and use drugs.
"Because it is convenient and give immediate results." Or perhaps there's deeper reasons? Not convenience and in this case definitely not immediate results. If they are known to be so bad even by doctors, and there are many studies proving it, then why are they still being produced? The general population is not responsible for producing all that crap, they just do their job in exchange for a crappy salary that can barely support them.
Why do they make such crap if they know it's not good? Why do they work for such low salary? Why are they paid so little? Why don't they like getting paid so little? Why aren't they doing anything about it? Why do they just follow the "rules/laws"? Why are the laws allowing such crappy conditions? Who made/make those laws? Why would they make such laws? Etc. Answers for all of them and it's not "human nature".

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That's the reason why Chinese and Indians are massively copying western style of living.  It gives them what they want - convenience and temporary but immediate comfort and pleasure.  All people are the same.
Not so, not "human nature". It's hard to prevail in a world that grows bigger while you remain the same. The bigger it gets the more it will influence, doesn't matter what qualities the bigger side has. The smaller either goes along or fades away, either way will lose, unless the values differed from present ones and they'd be given a chance to grow as they should with their defining qualities.
Indians were destroyed by greedy europeans long ago, putting more than just a halt to their progress. They have no real land of their own, not anymore, they aren't really free as a people. They have no other option. A defeated people, sad (hopefully not true, but hey, kinda can relate...).
China's change began with the communism thing, or before that even. Or rather, China hit a dead end on its own, so going the western path was an easy way of moving at least in some direction. Funny how it's still regarded as a communist country while in truth it is not communist at all, pure dictatorial capitalism there. As well, they do produce so much that is shipped outside, made by cheap labor, as good as slaves really.

That people in general are all the same is no indication of why things are as they are. You still have to ask why? You get an answer, and you ask the same question from the answer. Then again, and again, until you get to the root cause or causes. And then should become obvious that things can be changed, that saying it's "human nature" is avoiding the solution.
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The question is do people want this alternative?  You have to look at big picture. Again, you are not seeing far enough.
And neither are you.

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Hot Topics / Re: Fukushima and California
« on: January 06, 2014, 12:06:49 am »
Quote from: DaBoss88 on January 05, 2014, 10:18:00 pm
http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/

"36 Signs The Media Is Lying To You About How Radiation From Fukushima Is Affecting The West Coast"
Well... the beginning of the end? It can and will only get worse, people being lied to and not told the truth just adding more.
Always have to read between and behind the lines and dig out alternative articles and such to know what really is going on.
Have to now check where sea food is coming from before eating it. And wouldn't hurt to learn ocean's currents... and overall water movement, and ocean animals' paths, and anything and everything that goes through pacific. Even if I'm not anywhere near the danger zone.

Sad that pacific ocean is dying.

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Journals / Re: Once I realized being "normal" is being ill.
« on: January 05, 2014, 02:51:09 am »
Quote from: sabertooth on January 05, 2014, 01:23:20 am
Is it possible that you could have had some environmental poisoning. Would you be exposed to dangerous pesticides from the produce in the warehouse or some other pollution in the environment?
Possible but doubtful. There weren't any pesticides around, other than those already sprayed on the products. I ate them occasionally right from the crate, but so did others. Neither am I allergic to much anything.
As well the health check thing that was, they took blood samples as well. If I had something they should've noticed.
Even with the problems I've had I've still been generally strong against illnesses (on average about one short and weak fever a year), rarely sick, while others around me used to have fevers and such more often.

Those fits I had, today I found out my father has had them as well in his life. But unlike me he's never been physically as active. I used to do exercises and gym tours as well, regularly, like 10-15 hours a week, still did after I got the job, so the extra physical load from work was definitely a contributor.
It was actually my first official job. Diet wise didn't change much compared to previous jobless life, other than I ate a bit more, without really knowing what I ate (and as you know, the commercial world - "the less fat the better"). After the problem hit hard, and found out how important fat is, I calculated how much I got from food before. Considering the physical activity, I definitely got a bit too little, on average, daily for months. Another contributor.
My whole damn diet was wrong. It's funny how the things every person absolutely should know are never taught in school nor by parents, and what you pick up first are the lies from the media, doctors, commercials, etc. At least I'm a dead end to that idiotic way of life.

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Also pig fat is gross and I got some that was suppose to be organic free range, but they supplemented with grain, and it made me feel terrible, so unless you are sure its 100% pasture raised I would avoid all pork.
The one I eat now, I have no idea what the pigs were fed. Won't be on that for long. Found two sources of fat (one email yesterday, the other today, plus some other minor ones), just need to contact back and find a way to receive it (mainly beef and sheep).
Once I get my sources fixed I'll be off from cooked crap for good. Just not possible to live on it. Being alive and living are not the same.

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Journals / Re: Once I realized being "normal" is being ill.
« on: January 05, 2014, 02:04:21 am »
Quote from: Thoth on January 05, 2014, 01:09:32 am
But you say there are pigs running wild all over the place eating up wild foods or am I misunderstanding that? Because if they are, THOSE ARE the pigs you want to eat, not the store bought farmed garbage, gross.
No, i meant farmed pigs. My mistake not being clear enough. And sure, wild ones I'd have nothing against.

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Journals / Re: Once I realized being "normal" is being ill.
« on: January 05, 2014, 12:59:52 am »
Quote from: Thoth on January 04, 2014, 11:51:49 pm
What are the pigs eating that the smoked ribs come from?
Don't know for certain but I highly doubt they are fed their correct diet, ending up as commercial products. Never really liked pig fat anyway, even cooked, but necessity forced to consume it as no alternative was readily available.

Now when I think how it was eating raw fat compared to present smoked/cooked one, I remember my body notifying me when was enough, but with cooked one I could eat my stomach to explode and still not get the "it's enough". Like the body doesn't know what it is.

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Off Topic / Re: Resolutions, Declaration, and Awakening in the new year.
« on: January 04, 2014, 08:15:08 pm »
Quote from: ys on January 04, 2014, 03:39:24 am
So raw paleo diet will lead to the fairest moneyless system and everyone will be happy.  I don't know what to say.  I'm speechless...
If everyone's minds were working on a capacity they should then yes. Right now who are making the decisions for everyone, what are the decisions, are there better alternatives, and most importantly, what are their diets? I've noticed on myself, when going from "normal" to raw, a change in mental capability. I see how "normal" people behave, how they speak, what they say; they comprehend so little, they suggest things without really thinking anything through, they omit, they don't even see enough, so much relevant when addressing something, etc. A person on "normal" diet is not the same person if he/she were on raw diet.
It's not money that keeps everything going, it's people working and doing what needs to be done. If people don't care for the job they do, only care for themselves and money, then what is the point of it all? Say, in the future, all electronic, money as well. Then something happens, no money no more, and people have gone so far that they value money so much they don't move a bit without it. It promotes people to not care. Money, this so called capitalism, is a dead end.

Capitalism is a form of slavery, instead of some person ordering you around, money orders you around. Or some person orders you around through money. Presently both apply to most of humanity. I would very much it wasn't so one day.

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