Take a human as an example and (assuming you could do it) envision that person in perfect condition (from life's perspective). Or something very close to it as some faults are already dictated by DNA (evolution/adaptation in progress). Then you actually look at that person and whatever does not fit the envisionment is a "disease".
Or just take a sick human and envision perfection, works the same really...

Inherently, no normal (I mean real normal) human is sick.
Well there's the mothers' diets... And damn... The sperm and the egg could as well be damaged by the parents diets and so the child is actually born inherently sick (or not?). Wouldn't make sickness right either way. The next generation even sicker, until extinction or evolution/adaptation catches up.
There are some that are genetically already messed up, like down syndrome and such. Perhaps that's evolution/adaptation trying to fit around grains (and others) and their effect on the brain? To sort of isolate the issue by finding a path around the cause? Even if true it wouldn't matter, evolution does not happen that fast. Extinction or "going back and to the side simultaneously" in evolution would come first (wait... this is what those with down syndrome look like... sort of... like an experiment gone wrong). (Loss in intelligence would be one effect, as have to compensate for the "rapid" changes from something? and what good of a mind you as good as can't use anyway?).
Have any such genetic "illnesses" been identified on bones predating the use of grains (and perhaps even cooking)? Because such genetic malformations make little to no sense. Evolution/adaptation would not happen like that unless there was a severe necessity or a "catalyst" of some kind; it would happen "slowly" without such severe hindrances to individual's life quality, because each individual is, potentially, responsible for the species' survival, which is potentially responsible for life's own survival. Such severe changes, to trigger such genetic changes, in the life of our species have only been in diet.

I tried frozen meat. I froze it myself, then unfroze it. Just to get to know the difference. I am never eating frozen meat again. It was that bad compared to the real thing. Although I dried some of it later and then I didn't notice as big a difference, compared to never frozen dried meat.

I don't think frozen meat is as bad as cooked, as the damage caused in the meat comes from frozen water that expands and destroys as a result. No new toxic substances are formed, unless they form from mechanical breaking. Cooking is far worse.
Then frozen animal fat shouldn't be that big an issue, as it doesn't have as much water in it as does meat.
Better frozen grass-fed than animal's raised in false conditions and on wrong diets.

There are farms everywhere, all kinds of animals really. At first glance it might seem like there's nothing, nowhere to get real meat from. They're sort of hidden, have to stumble onto them. Find a butcher or someone who deals with meat and ask them where to search for suppliers, as well a good place would be a farmers market or similar, just to get your nose in.
There should be farmers unions and such, contacting them should give leads. And hunters unions or such as well, to get leads on wild game.

Find a supplier of fresh quality meat, no matter how far from your home. Visit them once a month or so, if they are far away, and bring back a months worth of food, or more.

Eggs are one of the easiest and fastest to digest foods, and one of the most nutritious ones. With gut issues the easiest and fastest digestible foods should be the best option, they are metabolized fast so they stay in the gut the least. As a result healing should go faster. But individuals differ, so eggs might as well not be for everyone. Maybe you just need some time to adapt to raw eggs?
Fish are easy to digest too.
If you have problems with gut and digestion on cooked foods, and have actual serious damage caused while on that diet, then going raw is really the only option left. Removing the cause, or fixing the cause, will eventually remove the symptoms. Problems with digestion and gut are caused directly by false diet.

If you look at the Pottenger study,  think about a bit.   There are cats all around the world that never place a foot outdoors and Never eat anything but cooked food, that are able to reproduce easily.   I'm a raw food advocate all the way for my animals... but something doesn't add up here.

Cats from back then and now can be slightly different. There have been generations in between who've had time to adapt some bit to cooked food and other crap.

There's a cat here where I live. It is of a specific breed. It is a disgusting thing. In contrast, where my father works there are two cats, just normal cats, no bred things, they do eat all kinds of stuff, even processed crap, but they also catch mice and do get raw meat and fat. Difference between the the bred thing and those two cats is as good as absolute. The one in the house is broken in so many ways - doesn't eat right (not just what it eats but how it eats); eyes emit some crap; nasal passage problems; stench from the mouth; a canine is crooked; mood swings; asks for food all the time no matter that it doesn't need it, and then the food just sits and dries and once it's dried it won't eat it either way and still asks for more; sheds fur nonstop, all the time (seriously, sheep should be ashamed of themselves, producing so little!); doesn't even know how to shit right (for real), etc. It's a thing, not a cat, not even an animal, it's an abomination. It's been on processed crap since birth, and it was taken away from the mother far too early, perhaps two weeks old, morons... (doubtful being with the mother long enough could've changed much...).

The cat is not mine, I'm not responsible for it. My oldest brother's girl is the true "owner" and she completely believes the bullshit some "experts" say. So it is fed "food" full of grains and other industry leftovers and it is claimed to be "quality" food for cats, in fact the ingredients are listed on the package (I read them... the evidence to the cause of almost everything is right on the package of the "food"). There was a period when that grain crap was out, for about a week, and the thing improved significantly in every way, it even got some raw meat from me (absolutely loves raw meat). Then they bought more of that grain crap and fed more to it. I tried saying what the cause is but... the usual and expected response - total ignoration (this a word?). Everything's back to extremely bad. And now I'm done feeding it raw meat, not worth destroying my nerves and wasting good food. (They took the cat prematurely and then left it, in truth they haven't taken care of it as good as ever.)

Pottenger's cats were in controlled environments. House cats are not, not all. If they can get outside they can and will catch at least bugs and eat them, and nibble on grass stalks occasionally. That reminds, the broken thing loves being outside during summer days, even whole days straight, no wonder why - all kinds of bugs, and it does eat them.
The "wilder" the worse and faster the effect will be. They can survive processed foods if they can get raw foods enough from time to time. But just as humans, so are animals on a wrong diet, as sick.

So there's some adaptation to processed stuff on breeds. But if you take real cats then they actually would die out when subjected to only processed foods for generations. For undamaged and unaltered animals raw food is an absolute necessity.

Damn... the heart thing I had fits so well with dilated cardiomiopathy and especially congestive heart failure... The symptoms were perfectly spot on.
Got another look at it when reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia A cause to that is listed as congestive heart failure. As well hypothyroidism, I definitely had far too little iodine. And many symptoms for hyponatremia I had as well. I was really fvkced up. Weird how symptoms of one are the symptoms of another. Coincidence? No. More like one underlying cause and a plethora of symptoms.
It's kind of stupid to label a clump of symptoms with one name and another clump with another name when the underlying cause and cure for them all is the same. The cause is simply the lack of something essential, in most cases, and everything else is the symptom, and some symptoms can act as causes leading to further ones (I suppose that's one where confusion comes in, they become fooled by body's reactions and "treat" the wrong thing, thinking it is the underlying cause when in truth it is just symptom creating another symptom). Not me of course, I didn't go to doctors at all.

About a month ago went to have a blood test taken. Mainly to have my parents stop nagging, and oh how they stopped...
Results came back as expected, everything just "perfect"...

At least it's much much better now. Next week, or whenever snow will be gone enough, I'll try some running, up to 30 min. As I can already do exercises with extra weight that get my heart bumping without any issues.
Has improved unexpectedly fast. A few more months, perhaps 2, at this rate.

Finally can even continue doing my studying. Creative writing of quality stories (primarily sci fi and fantasy) the goal. And whatever is needed for it. Will even include drawing pictures from imagination to improve the details of scenes I conjure in my mind. All in English.. which isn't my native tongue.

Found a meat supplier too, about 5 weeks ago. Beef. That's nice. Funny how have to sort of stumble on it to find it where on first glance seems like nothing's there.

Don't forget vegetarianism... this crap is often in mass media depicted as very positive for health. Sure, might work for some very very few individuals. Or against some certain health issues as a one time treatment, or such. But otherwise... seriously...

Humans will last longer than those cats did, because we have experience of thousands of years with cooked foods. But now there's all this... everything that's labeled as safe and normal that in reality is anything but. Have it all put on top of cooked foods and you end up worse than dead. I presume three or four more generations of this soup of crap and then it'll be here in full effect.

The best example of a collapse of civilization would the Mayan one. There are caves there that have pottery and such stuff in them that could only have gotten there if those caves weren't under water, and such times were about 15 000 years ago (wasn't the last ice age, or something similar, still going on that long ago?). As well there are very very many ruins of towns, averaging around 2 or 3 square kilometers, in the forests there, all thousands of years old. So what happened there? No one knows.
Considering the amount of towns the population must have been immense, far too high to be sustainable with their level of knowledge and society and civilization as a whole, the reason it all failed. Right now we are at a similar state - our global population is by about 4, even 5, billions too high, and our present knowledge that moves around in those masses, which in truth is made of almost only lies and delusions, cannot and will not sustain such numbers.
A collapse will, it has to, come again. A new beginning is needed. A dead end has been reached. Right now its just dragging on.

A course correction is needed if one is reached. Where is one? It's been years, decades even. All the while everything is getting worse. They say the people have the power, yet nothing is done against the rulers if they repeatedly make things worse. Because the people themselves don't know what to do, and those rulers come from the people - a dead circle before it began.
Negativity promotes thinking, justice, as well negative qualities but they don't tend to survive either way. This mess we are in makes many of us actually smarter - we see how matters must not be and we are far more prone to live by that which would be better. Those who are smart enough have to simply survive the collapse and then assume leadership, by whatever means necessary. Generations would be raised with newer and better values. Until it either reaches another end and collapse, or they will be smart enough to foresee it and course correct themselves.

Religion has been an extremely negative influence. Those who spoke out, in the past, the medieval and such times, were branded as heretics, witches, warlocks, and whatever else, just to remove them permanently. They were killed. Potential was killed on purpose, because they were right, they had the right. Religion still is a major issue everywhere, in regards to eventual consequences, because it has an extremely strong tendency to keep people very stupid and blind.

Dead ends. As an example, Soviet era reached one as well. It collapsed. Countries were "freed", they assumed new courses - true capitalism - sort of moved on for a while. But. They have reached yet another end. A new course correction is needed, but all they do instead is follow money even though it gets them absolutely nowhere. Because money has reached it's own dead end as well. A new course is needed already on that level, and the only one is one without.
The same goes about so many values, globally - dead ends - traditions, faiths, patriotism, nationalism, getting "paid" for a job, teaching to follow rules instead of teaching to think independently, etc.
Presently they all just drag onward toward nothing.
If a dead end is reached, anything that gives a direction, a nudge in any direction, is usually embraced with a broad smile. Because it's better than not moving at all. If only they put, if only they could, a little realistic thought into anything...

It will come. People will die, they would have to one way or another - there are far too many - things have gone too far already for "peaceful" and "ethical" alternatives.

Those who know and live and eat as a true human are inherently apt to better awareness. When shit hits the fan it's best to get out of the way and just let it happen, or it will blow you away with the rest.

Until then all you can really do is your best educating people about the state of our society, and what is really going on. Even create "groups" for better support and helping, make events where you talk to others, get public as best you can, etc. Most importantly teach what is food and what is not. And just hope, because there still is potential.

If this is true it wouldn't be the first time extremely useful technology and knowledge is buried and as good as never seen from again. And each time this occurred the new technology and knowledge would have bankrupted/destroyed oil industry and "food" industry, or any massive industries/corporations. For example, successful electric cars have been invented many times, and each time the technology is buried and kept away from public (one such occurrence - re-invention - was in Finland, if I remember correctly; and I read from somewhere years back that first car engines were electric). Everything is opted to making more money (which is translated into power via ignorance of the people) for the "rulers" without paying attention to true consequences, as a result the whole humanity suffers.

I've heard/read stories about Nicola Tesla, or whoever it was, coming up with a way of transmitting electricity with no wires (which was again (re-)invented just several years ago...)? And that it never was made real. We still use mostly wires, just wondering if it was true and if so then would that generated wireless field as well had been with no current? And some years ago there moved stories that cellphones could be recharged using the same waves/field that come from cellphone towers...

Ain't life on Earth just wonderful?

And then no doubt 1s and 2s get the highest prices. Doesn't matter the fact that those products, compared to all the rest, require the least work done on them.

It's really fucked up... seeing how that which is the healthiest requires the least amount of work and also is priced the highest, and that which requires lots of work and processing is the cheapest.
Isn't something that gets more and more processed and has more and more work done on it, supposed to be the most expensive? And yet that's not so when it comes to foods sold in most all shops. People would be forced to buy crap against their own will even if they knew how messed up everything is, or a world revolution would come to be. It's like people are intentionally kept away from eating healthy and thus being healthy, and knowing how matters really are.

The worse the health the more people will propagate. Makes sense, the species has to adapt, and the only way to successfully do it to accord new conditions is through evolution. The faster and more they get children the faster the species adapts to new conditions.
And what is most of humanity ever more subjected to? To conditions that can only exist by having them created by manipulating our world, conditions that naturally do not and cannot exist. If this process were to be completed, and then some of those people were put into natural conditions, without having any way of getting or them producing that processed crap, they would all die. Even now there are people who have trouble eating natural untainted foods without some issues, and neither can they function right on processed crap.

Isn't toxicity and lethality based on a person on a version of SAD diet?
Very much possible that which a SAD dieter finds far too toxic, perhaps even lethal, in our case could have some beneficial effect (if aside toxicity any at all), or aid against some illness or such, as we are in a better overall condition and better equipped against such effects in general. (Not into experimenting this...)
There are berries that are toxic, but then aren't berries supposed to be, evolutionarily speaking, food for animals (to spread the seeds)? Why else would they have flesh around the seeds?

"Decadence" fits as well, somewhat at least.

Degradation seems to fit, at least somewhat, as opposed to progress.

I'm still around, but am bored by this place and the bulk of its inhabitants, most of you are a waste of this gift. What I would like is to have every post I've ever contributed here erased, as well as my other account. However, barring that, I will simply disappear.

With that said, I seem to be as invincible as ever, I will gladly report if/when that changes, still have not met a microbe I would not call 'Friend'. My life is a fairytale, a pleasant dream, I've me the girl of my dreams, she is 110% on board with RVAF, I don't have a health concern in the world, I'm financially set and I'm so incredibly happy, happier than I've ever been or ever thought I could be. My only wish for this board, is that those of you with severely warped perspectives on how health works and the nature of 'reality' might come to a more accurate understanding of these things. I will continue to monitor the boards from time to time but that will be the extent of my participation unless something interesting happens. Keep on being mediocre guys, or maybe don't. =)

Lovely attitude...

You can't expect every single person to be the same, not physically, not mentally! If you do, as you are reflecting, then you have a lot to learn.

It does affect the mind what a person eats, but it's not the whole truth. Meaning if one eats right, or as close to it as can, does not immediately translate into mental awareness of the same extent.

Mediocre in what scale, in comparison to what exactly?

I'd say you are in the top when it comes to diet (I don't know for certain of course) but not anywhere near the top when it comes to mental condition.

And very nice of you to bash, without giving specific examples why you disagree and what you think would be correct.

"There's also the possibility of ferments not doing so well because they need an aerobic environment,"  Uh? Nice vocab. lol

"I wonder what it would be like if it was hung as it would be to make aged meat, only in conditions that would make high meat (ie. the temperature). " Oh my GOD! Way to butcher the English language. lol.   

Nice immaturity... You are obviously a troll. If not then come back once you've fixed your issues.

Yes, I understood that. But frozen food thawed before ingestion proved troublesome, so we (the people having been successfully eating 100% raw paleo during several decades in Europe) don't eat thawed food... and eating frozen food is quite impractical!

Yes, that's true too.

I eat them frozen, perhaps a handful at a time and not often. Sometimes let them be for a little while before eating, so they become less cold but still frozen. I used to eat ice-cream a lot before going raw, without issues (that I could notice).
As to eating frozen being impractical, I've heard some berries can be found during winter and frozen, in the forest. From my parents and grandparents, but that was years ago (if I remember correctly).
I don't think eating frozen foods is as impractical in northern regions with long and freezing winters.
Drying them should be relatively easy, as an alternative.