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Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 31, 2012, 12:56:46 am »

Another thing that contributed was consuming unfermented milk, miked with honey and closer to body temperature.

I've been hearing about ingesting dairy products at room temperature as being much more digestible. I gain weight with cold dairy - makes me wonder if my problems with dairy haven't been due to the fact that I always had them cold?

Do other people that have had problems with dairy also have it cold or do you also have trouble with room temperature dairy?

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 31, 2012, 12:52:24 am »
Like I said, if the person does not believe that he is discriminating, then he isn't discriminating. As regards the "nigger" word, first of all, all it means is "black" so isn't genuinely derogatory in the way that "moron", "freak" "malco" all are. Secondly, it's all relative, as if you used the word "nigger"  in Brazil, for example, a black man would be happy with that whereas if you called him "black" he would feel insulted, and the use of that term in the 19th century was routine among many authors without any racist connotation. Then there's the word "negro" which is still happily used by the older generation of blacks in the US but is now frowned upon by the younger generation, yet the word "nigger" is often used in rap lyrics among the young.

What it all boils down to is that almost anything will be perceived as insulting  or derogatory by someone somewhere in the world, due to a misunderstanding or a clash of  different cultures etc.. Therefore, any kind of political correctness  re forcing the use of specific words ultimately destroys any freedom of expression and ruins peoples' lives, introducing an Orwellian nightmare. A case in point being the UK nowadays.

Again - it's all about how SUREN interpreted what was said. Do we choose to respect her for her interpretation or insist that she is interpreting incorrectly and then further use words that could easily be interpreted negatively in response?  Why not just respect her boundaries, interpretations and requests?

And yes Al, like so many threads, this indeed has gone off topic. At this point I'm pretty sure that Suiren has gotten my intention of sending her a shout out in support of standing up for how she wanted to be addressed, so I am quite happy to drop it.

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 26, 2012, 12:20:00 pm »
Agreed Al - all of this has been pretty much off topic to Suiren's thread about wanting to gain weight..

I wanted to respond to what Tyler wrote though as I'm a big fan of George Orwell. ;)

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Zero-carb and salt
« on: October 26, 2012, 11:10:09 am »
I have a feeling it's a magnesium issue.   Some salts like the gray ones handharvested with full mineral spectrums have a fair amount of mg.  Himalayan salt has little due to the fact it's been leeched out over time.  I personally take an ionic mineral supplement that gives me about 400-800 mgs. a day.  And did much better switching from Himalayan salt to grey types collected I think in Wales or somewhere up there, excuse the lack of geographical focus. 

That's so very good to know Van - thanks for saying that. I wonder if part of recent magnesium issues for us hasn't been from switching from Celtic Sea Salt to Redmonds.

General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 26, 2012, 11:03:29 am »
I do like to go out to the garden and "graze", but I also love to sit down at the table to a meal with sauce! Sauces and dressings to me just make a good thing even better. :)

I know that the sauces might interfere with the body knowing how much of something to eat or when to stop - but for me the spices and sauces add so much enjoyment that I use them anyway. I'm not hard core - not by a long shot. I bet Iguana would tell you to eat only what tastes good and feels right without the sauce. It makes sense. I guess I'm just a heathen. ;)

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 26, 2012, 10:21:30 am »
Discrimination is only something that can happen if the relevant "discriminator" means it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the perception of the accuser. In other words, if someone uses a politically-incorrect word, meaning nothing by it, he should not be accused of discrimination. The alternative is the use of George Orwell's "Newspeak" and "Doublethink" etc.,  not a pleasant option.

In the North of England, people in general get called "duck" or "love as  part of normal slang. It would be shameful for a woman(or a man) to get annoyed about that.

What if a "white" person were to call a "black" person boy meaning nothing by it, but the black person tells the white person that he doesn't like being called a boy and the reasons for it but then the white person says something like, "don't be so sensitive nigger" - I think that is when you know that there is indeed something meant by it. (Btw- that was a very big exaggeration just to make a point - not to be torn apart on it's own grounds. I know no-one called anyone any such name here - it was an extrapolation to make a general point.)

It's not about the use of any original word that is in issue for me, it is that Suiren had a negative reaction but was treated disrespectfully afterward.

If someone here asks not to be addressed in a particular way but the request is not only rejected but the language continued or escalated - I think that is quite disrespectful and meant to be demeaning. 

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 26, 2012, 08:50:51 am »
Exactly Brad - Suiren knows more about her weight than you do. I'm glad that you have decided to state that showing Suiren that respect.

Let's keep this in perspective shall we instead of going further and further off tangent in ways that I never intended with what I considered to be a similar example from my own life - but not THE ISSUE! Using an example or a metaphor on this forum seems to be the kiss of death - or at least slow torture.

THE point is that Suiren asked that someone not refer to her in a way that she was uncomfortable with particular words that she is uncomfortable with. The point isn't how many people in how many parts of the world are comfortable with what kind of language or who else might be comfortable with any particular word. I am saying that I respect and support Suiren for stating how she felt, asking that it not be done in the future. I respect that she stood up for herself. I still do. That was my point, still is and all this other diversion from what I was trying to point out - I am going to ignore.

When someone says that they prefer you don't call them hottie and your response is to call them sweetheart and you don't expect it to be interpreted negatively - it's not about dragging a name through mud - it's about trying to make you aware of how your language is being interpreted and how it can make someone else feel Brad. I believe you did not have the intention of making her feel defensive, but when you did, your reaction was not conciliatory.

It's not about the particular words - it's about how they are received. If Suiren had the reaction she had and the response was supportive of her desire to be addressed in a way that SHE felt good about - this conversation would not be happening.

People often do not know when they are being insulting. Women often do not stand up for themselves when they feel like they are being talked to in a degrading way or know that it is the other person's intention. Suiren asked for how she wanted to be addressed and it was not respected but argued about.

I'm putting in my own two cents that I appreciate and respect Suiren's desire to be addressed how she wishes and her strength in expressing it - whatever the words - in whatever her culture - in whatever her languages - in however SHE interprets them.

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 26, 2012, 06:12:53 am »
So, if you think what I wrote was just because I was in a "bad mood" that day, why did you not walk lightly? Why do you come back with insults?

You were not there at the interchange. The man was speaking in a way that was too familiar and it was condescending. Many men have done that with all sorts of different words, not just Dear. My mother, my father and my family also call me Dear and I understand that is meant to be because they feel close to me - and I to them. When a strange man says that - they think they are being "endearing". Usually, to a young woman like I was at the time - it is not.

Please give both Suiren and I enough credit to understand when we feel someone is overstepping their bounds in context. Here it is written words so it's not just about the tone and expression that was used as in my example. Here, someone felt that they had the right to call a women a word that to her had sexual overtones that she did not think was appropriate. When she told him so - he rebuked her. He also felt it was his place to tell her what he thought about her weight and that she was being incorrect in her own evaluation of HERSELF!

Whether you think it was a sermon or not is up to you - but what I was trying to do was support Suiren! If she doesn't want anyone here evaluating her weight, calling her hottie - or whatever GOOD FOR HER asking for what she wants and not cowering.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:47:53 am »
Oh good - he did a vitamin d test then. Excellent!

Health / Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:46:46 am »
Lex is doing an experiment with iodine and writing about it in his journal. You will find loads of information on iodine there to start with.

Health / Re: I keep losing weight!
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:34:53 am »
Dorothy, I normally agree with most of what you say, but not that speech. I think it is human to say sweet things to others. I will continue to do it and I notice that when I do it, virtually every woman/man appreciates it. You can see it in their gestures and hear it in their voice. Their heart opens. I think the objective of life is to see and express the sweetness and best in everyone.

You do sound like a cynical victim in that sermon and I know you are much better than that.

There is a world of difference between dear and boy.

Suiren didn't appreciate it - therefore - I'm assuming she didn't think it was sweet. I also did not interpret what was said "you're hot" or having a man analyze if her weight is good or not as sweet.

Just because you don't agree - doesn't mean you have to call my post a sermon - or call me a cynical victim. Are you trying to compliment me with those words too? I can assure you that they did not open my heart.

I really don't think that most people would say anything if it made them uncomfortable because most of the time people that use such language mean well. It takes a great deal of courage to ask someone not to call you something when you know they don't have a clue.

I feel like someone is talking down to me when they use those words with me, much like black friends have described when they have felt condescended to with words like boy and others. You might think there is a world of difference between Dear and Boy in the context that I described - I personally do not. Are you of African American decent Al? If so, then please describe how being called a boy feels to you and I will let you know if being referred to with too personal words with inappropriate sexual overtones feels similar to me as a woman - and perhaps you will understand. .

I don't see myself nor Suiren as a victim. I see Suiren as the opposite actually. That's why I said that I admire her.

General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:21:29 am »

Dorothy, I ask this question because I do not like to eat raw vegetables in general--except for broccoli stems  ;)   and a couple of other items. I want to know if I could stop worrying about eating my share of raw vegetables.  (BTW, I love cooked vegetables. But I do not eat them anymore except when invited to friends' home-made meals.)

In that case Joy, I personally wouldn't try to force myself to eat anything if my body doesn't like it or isn't craving it just because someone, anyone, says it's good for me - unless doing so makes you feel really great pretty quickly or you are having some kind of illness pop up as a result of what is generally accepted to be a deficiency in a certain nutrient. If you get rickets for example.

The people that eat all meat here seem to feel really good from it and enjoy it and I feel really good from salads - unlike so many here - and I really love to eat salads and nibble from my garden.

Forcing yourself to eat vegetables seems counter-productive to me - especially raw. Some people just don't have the digestive fire to do that and feel well. Perhaps that's why you like cooked vegetables - they might be easier for you to digest. I say - trust your body. Eat what you want and what makes you feel good! Forget the experts and their vitamins. If they really knew what they were talking about we'd all be drinking Tang and feeling wonderful. ;)   

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:03:49 am »
The body can make 10,000 iu in 15 minutes of summer sun even in Northern Climates. Please don't make me go and find that study! ;)

It's another issue entirely if you can't make or absorb the vitamin d - that's why a vitamin d test is good to do. Supplementing vitamin d when your body can and is making it is not the best use of resources.

Grit's problem according to him with the supplementation  is money. That's why I was trying to help him to prioritize his cash.

General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 25, 2012, 01:08:20 pm »
You asked such a specific question Joy - if eating nothing but meat will give us all the nutrients we need.

I guess I don't look at food that way, because over the years I've seen "experts" changing what they think I "need" and discovering/creating more and more nutrients until I just gave up trying to keep up with them. I'm pretty certain that we are still at the beginning.

One might conclude that eating nothing but animals foods must have all the nutrients needed to survive since Lowen and Rex certainly haven't dropped dead from malnutrition ;) Just like with any diet there just hasn't been and won't be any good long-term studies because such studies won't make anyone any money. There are studies with diseases like cancer and epilepsy, but none with already healthy people determining the effect on general health. We don't know what will happen long-term and we most certainly don't know if such a diet will make a general population thrive. Some people seem to have gotten ill eating only meat and others have healed themselves. To me, it would be an experiment - like eating all fruit or all vegetables or all sprouts or all algae. I find it fascinating to hear what people have to say about their experiences doing such diets. I watch closely to read not only what they say about how it makes them feel, but I watch how they write and interact in general with others and watch if there are changes. It's how I determined that I would not want to try a fruitarian diet. I appreciate others doing that experiment for me.

I guess my question is why do you ask? Is there a reason why you are thinking you might want to constrict your choices? Are you trying to heal or achieve something in particular?

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 25, 2012, 12:25:37 pm »
I think that would be impossible to answer GS as the goal is to get to live any kind of normal life even when still on medications - with going off medications and feeling good considered quite miraculous - most people wouldn't care if they had to continue to take supplements.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 25, 2012, 09:01:35 am »
Hey Grit. No problem.

The thing is not to worry too much about the itching. It's just a natural part of those capillaries being open which is a good thing and it goes away. If you know it's a side-effect of something that is actually part of the healing it might be easier for you to get through if it happens again.

I'm just a member here like you - and I wish you well. I'm here for encouragement any time you need it. What you are doing is commendable. I love seeing people take charge of their own health - on all levels.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 25, 2012, 04:09:35 am »
I'm not sure the non-flush even works. If I understand it right - the flush is actually what will heal you. The flush is from all those super tiny capillaries near your skin being opened. It's also what makes you itchy - but those little capillaries being opened is what gets the blood flow to your brain in places that it hasn't been before.

Vitamin C I understand can really help with the flush and itching. Google vitamin c and niacin. I don't know the dosages.

To me, I would think that the most important thing is to get the flush that you are able to tolerate well and keep on building as your body gets more and more tolerant. The flush itself, that causes that itching, is what is getting your brain blood, nutrients, immune agents - and allowing the bad stuff to be taken away. 

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 25, 2012, 02:09:36 am »
Vitamin C with the niacin can prevent or reduce the flush.

I don't know about vitamin K. I think the k had to do with the vitamin D that Barefoot recommended. I was saying that if you do vit D then it is advisable that you also do magnesium. I'm not familiar with these therapies for Schizophrenia - but surely they can support the body in general.

I really don't know nearly as much about this as DaBoss and Raw do. I think you are in good hands with them! If you can get on any kind of government assistance like food stamps it could help so that you can put the dollars you have towards your supplements. Instead of buying vitamin D, in the summer you can go out into the sun - which will be good for you in other ways too.

Niacin will open up the capillaries in your brain allowing for the blood to carry away what it needs to and bring in the nutrition your brain needs. To date, I have heard of no other therapy as powerful as niacin for schizophrenia.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi, I am new, to all of this.
« on: October 24, 2012, 12:00:55 pm »
Also vitamin d will use up magnesium.

There is an old timer here named raw with a brother with schizophrenia who might have some powerful suggestions for you. I would pm her directly if I were you. She always wants to help someone in your predicament. I'm sure she won't mind you contacting her that way. I haven't seen her around the forum as of late - that's why I would pm her. She knows some powerful protocols.

I would not stop your medication. Keep that up so that you CAN do the other things to help yourself. Often schizophrenics will give up their meds when they are feeling better. The problem is that with that disease if you get off your meds you won't understand that you need to go back on them. Stay on them and get a family member to help you. You need someone outside of yourself to evaluate and help you.

Welcome and good luck.

Health / Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:51:59 am »
What Jessica said.

If becoming a doctor where you are, is anything like it is here, that would do it! Overwork, imbalance, sleeplessness, stress. She needs a rest. She must have been pushing herself tremendously to graduate. Time for some recuperation.

Having a baby right after all that - wow. Maybe her subconscious is asking for a vacation? I know mine would. ;)

Journals / Re: GoodSamaritan's Experiments
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:45:25 am »
I still have some scars from getting chicken pox as a young adult. When I think back on it I realize now that even though I was exposed to chicken pox repeatedly as a child I never got it because my immune system was strong - even with an inferior diet. It wasn't until after a doctor put me on a powerful broad spectrum antibiotic for years that I was vulnerable to many of such diseases. The antibiotics made me weak. Building my gut bacteria and immune system up again made me stronger again.

Your immune systems must still be weak GS. I hope that it gets better and better over time for you and your family.

Primal Diet / Re: Should I use milk?
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:11:35 am »
I tried the magnesium experiments using food and supplements. Had nothing but trouble.

Would you please share more of what you did and the results Al? Thanks.

« on: October 23, 2012, 12:21:27 am »
What can make a forum interesting sometimes is differing opinions and personalities. Everyone agreeing can get boring. ;) Most people that come here are strong-minded. It goes with the territory. You don't go eating raw paleo in our modern world without being strong. Often I find that strong-minded people expressing their opinions can come across as arrogant, condescending etc. even if they have no intention of it and aren't really. Everyone of the same politics or opinions or people being censored or banned (or being threatened or chastised) for having a different way about them I think could quickly become a negative spiral. One can disagree without threatening or attacking. Eric stating that Saber's kids perhaps should be taken away I disagree with - but it is also what many people in the world would think and perhaps even what others think here even - so it's good to respond to it - but threatening him for that opinion I think makes for a less safe environment for such a delicate subject. I personally believe that people expressing why they think he is wrong for such a statement would better serve all of us. 

This is a highly emotional topic - the possibility of putting the ones we love at risk for our beliefs, for our way of eating, for talking about it in public. 

This is also not only theoretical, but is about a real family in the middle of dealing - so the stakes are higher. The members that are responding also very well could have real life reactions based upon the things that have happened to them and all those emotions in response. Anyone that has lost someone, been attacked by a government agency or someone who has acted to do what they think is protecting someone against a member of their family or society by reporting to or working for an agency - even someone who cares deeply about how raw paleo is perceived - will likely have a strong emotional response along with strong opinion. 

It could be too easy to start fighting with each other with such a subject. I don't see that doing anyone - especially Saber - any good at all. Talking through all sides without making it too personal though - that could do him a great deal of good in my opinion as that might help to prepare him (and perhaps the rest of us) for what might have to be contended with.

« on: October 22, 2012, 06:46:13 am »
You've gotten it confused Alive - The classification "Texan" goes back before American and even before human, ape or monkey. Texans are Texans before anything else. ;)

« on: October 21, 2012, 12:00:52 pm »
Saber - did you hear anything from the woman at cps today?

You do know that it is your LEGAL right to know what you are accused of? She will most likely tell you she will get the information for you, but never call you, because she must tell you that she will give it to you as it is the law. She cannot deny you the allegations, but it is also quite rare that you would be able to get hold of them yourself without a lawyer. They play games with these things if you don't have a lawyer. A lawyer would already have all the paperwork in his hands - along with the report that the cps worker made and the police report.

I know little, but I know these things. A lawyer would know much more.

Sometimes I see you as a sabertooth tiger or that lion you described fighting a man with a gun with your jaws. What you need is a man with a gun on your side too or the hunter could just shoot you and put your cubs in a zoo - no matter how valiantly you fight lion style. Get some good hunters on your side Sabertooth! The head of your church, a lawyer, anyone with connections - whoever you can.

I agree with so much of what you say my friend. I see so much cowardice around me - but most of it is because people are too sick, too tired and frankly - often not smart enough to even know that they should be fighting any way that they can figure out to the max of what they feel able and according to their skills and temperaments.

As far as I'm concerned every person here is fighting by first DOING and being an EXAMPLE of standing up against the dictates of others. This internet thing is my hope. The fact that you and I can be talking - you in Kentucky and me in Texas and no one is censoring this is a miracle to me in this day and age. Tyler and Iguana to me are brave men fighting the good fight by coming here and helping to guide others the best they can in a world that would otherwise be without guidance and support for the likes of you and me. I am glad that you want to fight more broadly, more publicly and with more risk, and to me someone just eating raw paleo and sharing about it here has already proved that they have courage in my eyes.

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