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You know, it might be an idea to have a whole forum devoted to jokes/humour, sometime in the future.

The one thing that neither Charles nor Stefansson seem to have noticed, other than the raw-meat-eating aspect  is that the Inuit also ate plenty of organ-meats(according to numerous sources such as  Weston-Price etc.)  but also they ate from a wide variety of animals - whether caribou, elk etc.  for land-mammals or various different seal, fish or whale species for seacoast-dwelling Eskimos. Does Charles just eat cooked beef 95%+ of the time, like Lex, or does he eat other meats like mutton, goat etc.?

As far as your post, I appreciate the info but its the last part (about the different ingested foods contribute to internal pH) is what is so confusing!
Certain acidic foods actually alkalize your body! Meats are extremely acidifying! Things that can't survive in the pH of your stomach! pH doesn't matter at all!
Yes, so very confusing.

Just thought I should add that raw meats are much, much less acidic than cooked meats. Also, the more processed a food is the more acidic it is(part  of processing , after all, involves creating an acidic environment that's hsotile to bacteria).

Stefansson wanted to promote a cooked-meat diet minus organ-meats because he knew that people were squeamish about organ-meats and raw meats so that it would be difficult for it to be opoular among the public. So, understandably, he was heavily biased when he claimed, erroneously, that the Inuit didn't eat lots of raw meat. In fact, it's well-known that not only did the Inuit eat lots of raw meat, especially the organs, but they also ate plenty of aged/fermented raw fish which they stored in the ice and which was among their most favourite foods.

Here's a typical example of the kind of raw-meat-heavy diet that Arctic tribes often consumed:-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/05/13/ST2008051302252.html

I usually prefer eating any food separately from any other food(ie half and hour between each). The only exception is suet and marrow which I use with my meats.

The only animals domesticated in the Palaeolithic were dogs(c.15,000 BC, 5,000 years into the Palaeolithic era).

*Forgot - sheep and goats were domesticated right at the transition between the Neolithic and the Palaeolithic:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication#Approximate_dates_and_locations_of_original_domestication

Anyway, until the Neolithic came round, one can safely assume that the only dairy drunk was other's milk.

The shellfish thing I think is self-evident; of course they were around in paleo times but they were obviously less a part of anyone's diet than land animals. Even today if you had a nice piece of land on the coast, several hundred acres, I would imagine just naturally you would hunt more land animals than fish/shellfish because it's more reward per effort and requires less tools.

I don't know of any cultures consuming dairy in paleolithic times myself but it does have a long history in Mongolia (camel dairy) and probably other places. I would not be surprised either way, whether it was consumed pre or post Neolithic, but it seems the possibility is there and hasn't been disproven. That's really the idea here is that saying dairy is absolutely only Neolithic in every civilization requires more burden of proof than saying perhaps it wasn't. I agree though it's more likely that dairy is generally or completely Neolithic.

You'd be surprised how much shellfish one can pick up on an isolated beach free of human interference.  I believe "wodgina" mentioned how his own local beaches are absolutely covered in them. One should also remember that hunter-gatherers tend to view all sorts of things as food which modern peoples never would(for example, I eat raw limpets when I'm on the Italian coast, but these don't appear on most(if not all) Western menus in restaurants. Granted, though, the migrating herds of bison would have perhaps been easier to deal with.

Another point is that, at least in the Late Palaeolithic, the various peoples had at least rafts and perhaps even boats - otherwise the Australian Aborigines couldn't have reached  Australia c.40,000 years ago - AFAIK, there was no land-bridge connecting Australia to Southeast Asia at the time.

As regards dairy, it's been suggested by a few Fallonites et al, that dairy might have been consumed in the Palaeolithic. This seems unlikely as cattle, according to online sources, were only domesticated at around 8,000 BC, well into the Neolithic era. Some have suggested that hunters in Palaeolithic times must have drunk the milk from the udders of slain wild cows(ie female aurochs), but the amounts of milk left in udders after death  is very small - indeed, in mammals, milk-production is stimulated via  hormones in response to the suckling effect of the relevant infant, so there's no need to store milk in the breast-area.

Haven't touched cacao since going rawpalaeo.

Who says that?

I know the Up day down day diet has a similar theme.

There were some studies mentioned on the fasting  yahoo group which stated that leaving more than 24 hours between meals(ie not eating every alternate day) was more effective than eating just one meal a day. I can't recall, offhand, though, which studies confirmed this.

How do you deal with the social pressures?

i find this to be the hardest part, when im home i can eat 100% raw good, but if at a party or holiday its extremely difficult and if i just eat fruit or something and turn down the food, i get an awkward stare and a feeling of being tense...people connect through food.

how do you do it?! and still keep friends and family.

i want to be the life of the party but not engage in there unhealthy acts... i havent been able todo it yet.

Also, do you ever lecture friends or family? or is it best to not say anything?

This is a much-needeed question to ask on this board. I was wondering when people would get around to it.

Here are various suggestions offered by various RPDers over time, to cope with social pressures:-

1) Be confident about your diet. If you show nervousness when explaining your diet, then other people will feel nervous too. In short, humans are naturally empathic, and it's wise not to show any uncertainty re your diet. That said, it's not a good idea to boast about the diet in public unnecessarily- , if you're asked, mention that you're doing a raw, palaeolithic diet,  vaguely in passing, as though it's only a minor part of your life. No one has a clue about what a "raw, palaeolithic diet" is, and few will enquire further, usually.

2) Make compromises. Some American RPDers go to restaurants and ask the chef to cook their meats "cold on a cold plate", meaning the meats are only cooked for 10 seconds on either side, or so. Or they always invite people to restaurants offering raw seafood such as Japanese Sashimi restaurants etc.(my favourite option as they usually offer sushi as well which is good for my cooked-food-eating acquaintances). Some do naughty things like go and eat raw at  Korean restaurants - some types of Korean restaurant give you the pan etc. on the table along with  the raw animal food which they expect you to cook right there, but some RPDers just go to an isolated table and pretend to cook them, but just warm them for a few seconds).

3) Third option is to eat some high-meat and some enzymes before going out to  every single cooked-meal, so as to minimise digestive-issues that often arise after such meals. Also, eat those cooked-foods but just eat little bites at each meal, claiming that you're on a diet.


4) There are various sites online which tell you how to reduce the amounts of toxins created by cooking:-

http://www.aolhealth.com/health/bbq-grill-cooking-safety

5) Re lecturing:- Don't bother lecturing anybody. I was in an appalling state of health pre-raw diet with  extremely obvious quite visible symptoms of ill-health, yet most people around me just pretended that I was always OK  with no difference after several years on raw - I even have one acquaintance who is a total moron (and a doctor), who tried to delude himself that I was only a little healthy as a result of eating less fat(actually, I told him that my raw-fat-intake was pretty high). This moron is a 100% believer in the Balanced Diet and is in appalling state of ill-health(he's 69 and has to take pain-killers every single day in order to cope with extremely painful joints ruined by decades on cooked diets).

 Plus, by avoiding the preaching/lecturing, you avoid the "them and us" view that some Rawists mistakenly have. After all, if you criticise other peoples' diets, you can't expect them not to criticise yours. The best thing is to just do the diet, and occasionally some wise people will notice how healthy you are and ask questions. Few will go all-raw, unless they're in dire straits, but one or two, here and there, will make healthier choices such as eating lots of sushi instead of the usual fried junk-food or whatever. At least, that's what I've found.



*Hopefully, others on this board will have further suggestions re this rather important topic*.

Karl Loren, judging from what I read earlier, likes to promote Aajonus' Primal Diet but only eats partially-raw. I have to admit that his website was very useful when I first started this diet all those years ago (at the time, it was the only website on Raw-Animal-Food diets other than Vinny's website).

Here's an excerpt in this section of the  wikipedia "Saturated Fat" page:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Dietary_recommendations

"Another confounding issue may be the formation of exogenous (outside the body) advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) and oxidation products generated during cooking, which it appears some of the studies have not controlled for. It has been suggested that, "given the prominence of this type of food in the human diet, the deleterious effects of high-(saturated)fat foods may be in part due to the high content in glycotoxins, above and beyond those due to oxidized fatty acid derivatives." [34] The glycotoxins, as he called them, are more commonly called AGEs[28]"

You should also be able to find any number of webpages showing how easily EFAs(essential fatty acids) get turned to transfats by heat(eg:- "All these oils are available at natural foods stores and should be cold and raw when consumed, not used in cooking because again, with the exception of olive oil (which is higher in saturated fat), exposure to high heat and oxygen damages unsaturated fats and creates trans fatty acids." taken from:-

http://www.womentowomen.com/nutritionandweightloss/fatandcholesterol.aspx