I was going to make a new thread for this but decided to tack it onto this one.

The topic is: Replacing green juice with organ consumption.

I don't look forward to making juice, it takes a little while and doesn't taste good enough to justify the time it takes to make it. It requires a big heavy machine to sit on my counter top, and worst of all perhaps the ingredients (fresh fruits and vegetables) are the most expensive part of my diet. Celery, cucumbers, carrots, cilantro etc. are very expensive, and hard to find local sources.

Why do I drink it? In AV's books he says it's the best vitamin/mineral supplement you can make. Also it allows me to drink less water, and I believe is even more hydrating than water because of the mineral salts.

The question: Could I replace drinking juice with eating organs? Organs, especially liver, are very high in vitamins and minerals, perhaps higher in some than my juice (lb for lb). Organs are also generally cheap, cheaper than muscle, and give you protein and fat as well as the vitamins and minerals. It takes less time to cut up a 1/4 lb of liver and eat that then juice my usual juice recipe. It doesn't require the juicer to be up on the counter.

Perhaps I won't go to either extreme, and just eat organs for now and then go back to juicing if I feel like it. It just really gets to me that I have to do it every day (juicing) when I really don't feel like it.

When I started juicing, I also found the taste and the expense of buying organic veg/fruit a real nuisance. Plus, i started getting diarrhea after drinking too much of it(the kind where you have no more than 60 seconds warning to go to the bathroom). I'd get an initial rush of energy which would dissipate quickly into a period of fatigue. Raw organs(if grassfed/organic) were SO much cheaper and much less hassle to deal with, unlike veggie juice had noantinutrients, and were more nutritious . As regards the issue of natural food, the taste of raw solid veg is pretty bland, one reason why most vegans eat mainly raw fruits. I don't mind eating a few raw solid veg like samphire or the odd carrot, on occasion, but that's about it for me.


If you're set on using the juicer, I would suggest adding sweeteners like raw honey or, if you must, raw cream(this is what Primal Dieters do to conceal the appalling taste of such juices. Also, it's, apparently, best to buy a really expensive juicer like the GreenStar juicer as you will then be able to save much more money in the long-term due to needing to use much smaller quantities of veg-fruit per glass of juice.

Here's an online resource for finding grassfed meat farms in the USA:-

http://www.eatwild.com/


Here's an online grassfed meat directory for the UK:-
http://www.seedsofhealth.co.uk/resources/meat/index.shtml

(If there are any UKers who know of a reliable UK farm/source for (yellow-coloured) raw grassfed suet, as opposed to mere white so-called "grassfed suet", I would most appreciate it if they could post the details here, as I currently am in need of such a source).

I've recently taken to using coconut-oil soap, as it's less worse than other soaps. Though I would never go in or eating coconut oil as such. I also use a unique antibacterial deodorant called trust, so as to avoid using the aluminium-containing sprays that others use. I only rub it on the hair , not the skin, so the petroleum -content etc. isn't too harmful as a result. I very rarely  wash my hair as my hair is self-cleaning. Other than a mouthwash to soothe the sensitivities of cooked-food eaters e my use of "high-meat", that's all I use re chemicals.

I agree that raw food is nearly always better digested than cooked food. However, some RAFers have claimed that those who are severely deficient in some minerals might even have a few problems eating raw animal food, at first.

Yes, Aajonus is against supplements, one reason why I'm in favour of him - most diet-gurus make their money from selling really dodgy supplements to their gullible clients.

As regards, the use of supplements, it's always best to get the nutrients, instead, from natural, raw foods. However, people coming from cooked/processed diets often are very severely deficient in certain nutrients, so that they sometimes need megadoses of certain supplements as a quick fix while they're looking for a more natural, raw alternative. I, for example, would undoubtedly have benefitted from temporary use of magnesium supplements, at the start of going raw, though I chose not to.

*Ah well, I should be off on my floight now, I guess this is better than just standing around the check-in gates.*

Breakfast has never been a meal I liked, even in pre-raw days. I usually skip it as otherwise I feel bodged for the rest of the day.

I eat a bunch of 20 oysters for 1 day out of every fortnight, on average.

From what I've heard, enzymes gradually get destroyed by freezing, over weeks.

I digest suet provided it's of good quality. No problems with the other stuff. I love aged kidney.

Cramps can be a sign of magnesium deficiency. You might want to see if eating raw pumpkin seeds does the trick. Of course, avoiding dairy helps too, given the excess calcium in it.

I truly envy your job. It seems the only people who have it easy on this diet are farmers, butchers and the like, as they are much closer to the food-source. Here in the UK< draconian restrictions forced through by the government and the EU really restrict our freedom of choice as regards obtaining the right foods.

Thank you Kyle.  I live on a couple acres in  this town that should be named Wild Kingdom, TX.  When we moved in, the house came with a mama cat and 4 kittens.  These were somewhat wild cats and it took weeks to get them in the house, etc.  We lost all but 1 of them over the last 6 years to dogs, coyotes and - get this - barn owls!  Yes, barn owls are grown bigger and better in TX, and they can and do nab 15 lb tom cats!  We have also adopted many stray cats over our time here, and some of those have been taken.  Neighbors lose them too.  We learned about 3 years ago to really be sure to keep them inside at night.  We also once had a rat snake up in our birdhouse full of bluebirds - so much for all the chicks.  We now have 3 cats, a dog, some fish and some hens.

I hope you leave the wildlife alone. I mean, they're just carrying out their natural function.(Sorry to get het up about this, it's just that I used to live with farmers' sons who would refer to various wildlife as vermin and "pests".

Why is your digestion perfect ? Why is AV against salt? Why does he recommend grain fed meat? I don't get the storey!
Nicola

By the way, Nicola, I should make a correction. It seems that Aajonus is,  at least, these days, not in favour of grainfed meat as such. I checked with the Primal Diet Yahoo Group, and one of them who actually knows Aajonus informed me that Aajonus had told them that  he views grassfed organic raw meat as being the best meat with raw grainfed meat coming a distant second, with anything cooked, regardless of whether it's grassfed or grainfed, being considered as  something to be avoided. So he doesn't recommend raw grainfed meat as such, it's just that he views it as better than cooked meat.

I ate some oysters today and I must say that it gives  me a tremendous energy for the all day!
I didn't eat oysters for 3 months and my body was probably in need for some "marine" micronutrients.
Eating oysters is like eating an entire animal, which is a real whole food, contrary to muscles or even organs.

It also makes me think that variety is very important, even on a carnivorous diet.

I agree - if one is eating raw, whole, wildcaught oysters then it makes up for the fact that we are usually unable to eat all the parts of the entire carcass of ruminants like sheep or goats. I still hope that one day, I will end up in some enlightened country where one can buy brains or eyeballs for dinner without being considered strange - such countries do still exist.