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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Self-Teaching Martial Arts
« on: July 24, 2008, 06:43:54 am »
*I've heard that Greco-Roman wrestling/boxing was superior to all other martial arts other than Norse Wrestling(though it wasn't as good as judo etc., when on the ground). hat do you think about "Savate" - that's one of the martial arts that my father taught me, other than Judo!!!

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Self-Teaching Martial Arts
« on: July 24, 2008, 06:39:53 am »
I was told once that, during a trial, it was found that "Norse Wrestling" was found to  be superior to ALL other martial arts, except when on the ground. As regards Gracie Ju-Jitsu, most practitioners state that, once on the ground, you have no chance whatsoever against an experienced Gracie-Ju-Jitsu opponent.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Self-Teaching Martial Arts
« on: July 24, 2008, 05:35:48 am »
Whenever I hear about martial arts, there are only 3 styles mentioned which are serious:-

The first is "Wing Chun Kung Fu"

The 2nd is "Brazilian Ju-Jitsu", as practised by the Gracie Brothers(avoid all other schools).

The best of all is Ninjutsu, as practised by the great sensei, Hatsumi:-

Off Topic / Re: Any musicians?
« on: July 24, 2008, 05:20:27 am »
Well, I'm not sure if this counts at all - but I used to play the recorder quite well(and the flute rather badly!). That's about it, I'm afraid! I know one other who's a professional musician(orchestra-player?) raw-animal-foodist  in Florida but that's all!!!

Important Info for Newbies / Sticky-Essay on The Advent of Cooking
« on: July 23, 2008, 05:49:23 pm »
Here is an article on the issue of when cooking was introduced into the human diet:-


Health / Re: Heart Palpitations
« on: July 23, 2008, 05:33:30 pm »
In the past I bought some supposedly wildcaught fish from supermarkets and I would get a vomiting reflex  in hindsight other wildcaught fish I ate was perfectly fine so I strongly suspect that those supermarket fish had been doused with some nasty chemicals in the process(indeed some of the fish definitely had a harsh chemical-like taste). I've never had a problem with raw seafood bought from reliable fishmongers.

Re heart-palpitations:- I had that before the diet, and it was one of the many adrenal-related symptoms I had.  I got rid of it after going rawpalaeo, but it returned when I started  zero-carb trials  and returned strongly but also temporarily when I ate some cooked suet(high in cooked saturated fat) as a short-term experiment. I don't think I've ever had a problem with raw saturated fat, but you could always experiment and see if less raw saturated fat works for you.

My suggestion would be to buy Dr Ron's adrenal supplement at this website:-

It would of course be much better (and cheaper) if you bought raw adrenals direct from organic/grassfed farms like NorthStar Bison etc.

Re cayenne-pepper:- I used to douse my foods with cayenne-pepper/black pepper, garlic etc. when I first started this diet but I eventually realised it was all a waste of time, IMO, and gave them up with no resulting issues. *Just a thought - cayenne-pepper is a stimulant - could that be the reason for the heart-palpitations at all?*

General Discussion / Re: Cooking as a biological trait’
« on: July 22, 2008, 07:35:18 pm »
Which board was that?

Re the 790,000 claim:- Here's an online reference  which you might mention on the other board which casts some doubt on the 790,000 claim re fire used for cooking:-  "A 0.79 Myr old site in Israel [Gesher Benot Ya'aqov, Science 304 (2004) 725)] has more credible evidence, though there does not seem to have been any cooking or repeated fire creation. The earliest convincing evidence of fire use for cooking appears at the 0.3-0.55 Myr old late Homo erectus site at Zhoukoudian in China and the 0.4 Myr old presumed early archaic Homo sapiens site of Terra Amata near Nice. In both cases the evidence is primarily in the form of food refuse bones that were apparently charred during cooking. Unfortunately, there still is not sufficient evidence at either site to say conclusively that there was controlled fire in the sense of being able to create it at will. However, by 100 kya, there is abundant evidence of regular fire use at Neandertal sites. By that time, they evidently were able to create fires when they wished to, and they used them for multiple purposes." taken from:-

Given that the Zhoukoudian caves "discovery" has been largely debunked as regards the evidence, it seems highly likely that the conclusions re Ya'aqov are similiarly flawed(:-  " The association of fire with faunal remains, stone-tools and hominid fossils at Zhoukoudian is far from conclusive and is most likely the result of noncultural postdepositional processes"(presumably, they mean that evidence from quite  different, much later  eras in geological time was mixed together with animal bones etc. from earlier eras, thus creating a completely wrong impression re actual date of human use of fire) ).

*I should add that the issue of when cooking was invented is largely irrelevant, IMO. Cooking is such a radically different food in terms of texture /presence of toxins such as AGEs etc., by comparison to raw foods, that it seems unlikely that humans could ever truly adapt to it fully. *

Journals / Re: Keith's Journal
« on: July 22, 2008, 06:56:42 pm »
Aajonus recommends eating a marble-sized amount of high-meat each day. I found, however, that I didn't get the full benefits unless I ate two bite-sized chunks each day. One has to remember that our digestive system wipes out something like 99% of the bacteria in food, so eating fresh, raw food isn't enough to make up for eating bacteria-deficient cooked foods over decades. High-meat helps to correct the balance. IMO, people new to the diet should preferably start getting used to fresh raw grassfed muscle-meats first(along with raw fish/shellfish etc.), then proceed onto raw (grassfed)organ-meats, and then wild meats/organ-meats(if available) - only after that should they try high-meat - however, if beginners have serious problems with digestion right at the start of the diet they should either go in for EM products or the high-meat (along with enzyme supplements which are as natural as possible) so as to improve digestion.

General Discussion / Re: Raw Chicken
« on: July 22, 2008, 06:50:14 pm »
I think she meant  frogspawn(ie the eggs). This brings back memories:- I remember the horrible school-food recipes we had, one of which (tapioca) we renamed "frogspawn" because it tasted so foul.

Journals / Re: Keith's Journal
« on: July 20, 2008, 06:01:43 pm »
Minced/ground beef usually has its fat removed before sale, so it's well worth looking for a pure fat like suet or marrow. Sometimes one can get a farmer to NOT cut off the fat from the meats in which case that's great, but not everyone can get that opportunity, so it's best to set up long-term supplies of  tongue, marrow or suet as alternatives.

Display Your Culinary Creations / Raw Mustard
« on: July 20, 2008, 06:40:18 am »
It just occurred to me that one can make a raw mustard. Moutarde de Meaux is the only mustard without preservatives and could presumably be made into a raw version. The ingredients of Moutarde de Meaux are:-

Mustard Seed, Vinegar, Salt, Mustard Bran, Spices.

If anyone wants to post their own raw version using raw apple cider vinegar presumably, then that would be useful, IMO.

Journals / Re: Keith's Journal
« on: July 20, 2008, 06:26:47 am »
You need to buy lots of pure fats, especially marrow and suet  or very fatty meats.It's really difficult to eat vast amounts when you're eating so much raw animal  fat, IMO.

Health / Re: Hypothyroidism
« on: July 19, 2008, 05:41:50 pm »
I may have had thyroid problems, though I never had a medical test with a doctor. I certainly had plenty of adrenal-related health problems.

My suggestion would be to use Dr Ron's Thyroid supplement:-

Dr Ron's website is the only website I've found so far which claims not to have any fillers, binders or any other chemical other than gelatin in the capsules - it's expensive, though. ALL other companies, even the ones claiming to be selling genuinely raw glandulars from grassfed cattle etc., turn out to add preservatives or fillers like magnesium-stearate(magnesium stearate is a filler which is the commonest chemical used to make pills, and it's a toxic trans-fat which inhibits absorption of nutrients by up to 80%:-

My own experience suggests that like cures like:- if you have a faulty heart, eat lots of raw, grassfed heart, if you have a faulty liver eat lots of raw grassfed liver etc. Aajonus has pointed out that the glands are the worst affected by years on cooked-diets so it's a really good idea to get hold of raw thyroid/raw adrenal supplements as those particular glands are so useful for the body. Unfortunately, here in the UK, it' s not possible to get hold of things like raw adrenals  etc. unless you're a farmer or a butcher, so I use Dr Ron's website to get hold of raw adrenals and raw brain and intend to get hold of the (multi-organ) Organic Organ Delight and the Raw Thyroid supplement on my next order from Dr Ron's  as well.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi!
« on: July 19, 2008, 05:32:22 pm »
Hi, I just started this diet 2 weeks ago, hoping that it would help me overcome some health problems. One of the big problems - constipation. So far, no change. :'(

I went cold turkey. I've been eating fatty steaks, eggs, and fish. Raw lamb tasted disgusting, for some reason, even though I love cooked lamb. So I didn't repeat the experiment. I also tried lamb hearts - they were even worse. I didn't mind the texture - I can get used to that - it was something about the aftertaste that didn't agree with me. Perhaps I should try beef heart. Maybe it doesn't have the same aftertaste. But the worst thing by far was bone marrow. I was kind of excited to try marrow, because it is one of my most favorite dishes when cooked. It turned out that raw marrow is nothing like the cooked one. It was grainy, not creamy, and it got stuck to my palate. I know that organ meats are supposed to be very good for you, better than flesh. But I went back to steak so far.  :-\

It's common for some side-effect to occur when you suddenly transition from cooked to raw - the most common symptom is diarrhea - I had unusually light green diarrhea for the first 2 to 3 days where I had to go the toilet every 15 minutes, before it tahnkfully stopped - given the unusual green colour of the stools, it was obviously some form of detox. Don't worry, though, these things pass.*One thing, mind you, people generally need to sh*t much less regularly on a low-carb diet than on a high-carb one, and less on a raw diet than a cooked one, so being less "regular" than on a cooked diet isn't necessarily a bad thing*- I think this is primarily because raw carbs like plants include lots of fibre/roughage which is not properly absorbed by the body leading to bigger stools ; and raw animal food is generally much more easily digested (ie more bioavailable) than cooked, so that the body makes more use of the available nutrients so that less comes out the other end. At least, that's my own experience:- when I eat raw fermented sauerkraut my stools are huge as they are when I have to eat some cooked food on a festive occasion like Christmas(eg:- organic christmas pudding).

Don't jump into raw organ-meats so suddenly:- Most people need time to get used to the whole concept of raw meat first. When I first started, I went in for organic grassfed minced meat but found it very bland in taste. I then tried raw organ-meats like liver but it was so awful that I couldn't handle it - so I experimented and found that swallowing tiny slivers of raw liver , 1 at a time, worked as long as I chased each sliver down with a mouthful of mineral-water and didn't chew for more than a microsecond. So, I went back and decided to try 100s of different raw animal foods(in tiny amounts each to avoid huge costs) and tried all of them - I subsequently found that a lot of raw shellfish and some raw fish , and one or two meats like raw goat, were instantly preferred by me re taste  - only c.10% of the 100s of different raw animal foods I experimented with turned out to be an instant success, but I decided that 90% of my diet from then on would include those foods, with 10% of the diet consisting of foods I didn't like at all , such as raw liver etc.:- I knew that after a while I would get used to and eventually enjoy the taste of things like raw organ-meats, and I duly did so - but the trick was to keep on eating lots of raw animal foods which I liked.

Re marrow:- marrow comes in 2 forms:-"(Vilhjalmur) Stefansson describes two types of marrow, one type from the lower leg which is soft "more like a particularly delicious cream in flavor" and another from the humerus and femur that is "hard and tallowy at room temperatures."

General Discussion / Re: Soaking Nuts/Seeds To Activate Enzymes
« on: July 19, 2008, 06:36:16 am »
a 100% carnivorous diet  is tricky unless you have an absolutely cast-iron supply of fats at all times like suet or marrow or whatever - plus you need to ensure high-quality re grassfed etc.

General Discussion / Re: Soaking Nuts/Seeds To Activate Enzymes
« on: July 19, 2008, 06:13:41 am »
Paleolithic diet forbids peanuts(which are beans) and cashews(they aren't "palaeo" nuts).

Nuts are not recommended heavily on palaeo diets as their omega-3: omega-6 ratio is very low unlike grassfed meats  It's also been sugested that, like eggs, they were unlikely to have been eaten in quantity in Paleo times due to scarcity.

My suggestion would be to greatly minimise consumption of nuts/seeds, even soaked nuts/seeds as soaking only reduces but doesn't eliminate the antinutrients.

General Discussion / Re: Soaking Nuts/Seeds To Activate Enzymes
« on: July 19, 2008, 05:45:51 am »
yes, nuts and seds contain antinutrients - sprouting reduces the antinutrients.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: 2 questions about fat
« on: July 19, 2008, 05:34:42 am »
calories of course!!!!

General Discussion / Re: Soaking Nuts and Seeds To Activate Enzymes
« on: July 19, 2008, 05:33:20 am »
Soaking for 24 hours is recommended so as to reduce the levels of antinutrients in them.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A few questions from a beginner
« on: July 19, 2008, 04:54:20 am »
Northstar freezes unless you specifically ask them not to(in which case the meats are merely chilled). - I think they insist on freezing anyway if there's a long distance involved.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A few questions from a beginner
« on: July 19, 2008, 04:33:59 am »
Thanks for all the suggestions. I read the website on the mercury scam, and I'll be stocking up on raw fish.

I'm lucky to be getting a farmer's market store in a month that's only a few miles away, but I have a few questions about buying bulk meat/fish online since I don't know what they'll carry and when.

How many pounds of meat would make the price of shipping worth while?
Is it best to aim for places that are in-state?
Any suggestions for finding in-state, bulk delivery services?
Being land-locked, what's the best way to get fish?

If you're nowhere near the coast, it's usually a good idea to keep raw seafood to a minimum as it'll usually be expensive - plus, it'll always be prefrozen. But if money's no object...

It's  a good idea to buy in bulk re price as delivery-costs are usually per shipment rather than per kilo - on the other hand buying too much means putting most of the order into the freezer compartment rather than the fridge for weeks on end - freezing over time does do some damage to the food as regards enzymes/nutrients though it's nowhere near as harmful as cooking. Prices will vary from region to region but it's common for the delivery price to go down to a half or zero the usual figure when the price is above a certain point(100 pounds or a 100 dollars etc.)

I think most people buy from their own State and any neighbouring States but there are pletny of people who order from as far away as Alaska etc. - certainly, if you don't want the food sent prefrozen you want the farm to be as close to your home as possible. NorthStar Bison is a favourite among USans as is Slanker's. Grassfed meat-source sites and organic directories can all be found in a folder at the top of the rawpaleodiet yahoo group's Links page - I'l eventually transfer the details to this website - in the meantime, is a good website to look for grassfed farms in each State.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: 2 questions about fat
« on: July 19, 2008, 04:26:56 am »
Rendered suet is not recommended on a rawpaleodiet - however, some people find themselves in awkward social situations where they find it easier to compromise by eating rendered suet rather than the genuine raw version.

Re amounts of fats:- I think 60% calories as fat would be needed with zero-carb(?) - maybe as low as 40%?

General Discussion / Re: Raw Chicken
« on: July 19, 2008, 01:24:34 am »
I tried raw chicken early on in the diet but found it so unappetising that I gave up on it forthwith. I suspect that this was primarily because virtually all chickens in the UK, like pigs, are fed on an all-grain diet - I've checked recently, though, and there may be at least 1 farm which sells not only grassfed offal cheap, but also sells genuine grassfed chicken and grssfed pork. I don't believe in the scare-stories re chicken, IMO, the only fresh raw meats I'm still put off by are maggots.

General Discussion / Re: Supplements
« on: July 17, 2008, 10:53:06 pm »
The trouble with supplements is that they are almost always full of unnatural substances such as trans-fats(eg:- magnesium-stearate) which are used as fillers or preservatives. I've only ever come across one single exception to that rule, which was Dr Ron's website. Otherwise, all other supplements, however "raw" or "pure" in their description, are not worth taking, as they all have some form of artificial preservative/filler/binder or whatever. Of course, it's not always possible to get hold of the "real thing" such as some organs, so...

Off Topic / Re: Other (Non-Diet-Related) Paths
« on: July 17, 2008, 03:54:50 am »
Hmm, while I think that many gurus, such as those above, have a good message, to some extent, I have to admit I'm more interested in gurus who offer either greater detail re getting ahead in modern life or a more realistic/cynical approach, such as the philosopher Schopenhauer or Macchiavelli. Trouble is, that modern self-help gurus offer mostly only vague advice.

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