Fasting and zero carb diet

[Diana]

I just wonder how you break a fast on the zero carb diet. Or may be you no longer need to fast
Do you go straight back into RAF, or do you start with some light foods like fruits, the usual thing?
I have always been taught never to break a fast with meat, so I just wonder how you do it?

Diana

[carnivore]

It's not much the food in itself, but the amount of food.
Maybe you can follow your feeling, but go easy...

[Hannibal]

It's very important to break fast with foods that digest easily and quickly. I think that raw egg yolks are very good, as they digest in 15 minutes. You can eat them with honey.
High-meat digests quite quickly so maybe it's also good after fast.

[William]

When I asked advice of the master faster, Dr. Bernarr (healself.org),,he asked what I normally eat - I said pemmican, and he said nothing, so I guess that pemmican is good for that purpose as well.

Probably anything raw that supplies all nutrients, which is raw fat meat. Not so sure of honey, as there is a danger of high blood sugar there.

[Diana]

Thanks for all your replies, I got your points.

Diana

[RawZi]

When I asked advice of the master faster, Dr. Bernarr (healself.org),,he asked what I normally eat - I said pemmican, and he said nothing, so I guess that pemmican is good for that purpose as well.

Probably anything raw that supplies all nutrients, which is raw fat meat. Not so sure of honey, as there is a danger of high blood sugar there.

    Is Dr Bernarr a fruitarian?

[William]

    Is Dr Bernarr a fruitarian?

Very doubtful, since he approved of pemmican, but you could ask him.

[klowcarb]

I have been ZC for 9 months (pure ZC, never eating off plan). I combine ZC with the Warrior Diet/Fast-5, in that I eat one large meal a day in an eating window of 5pm - 10pm.

[redfulcrum]

I think meat is naturally easier for humans to digest.  Try eating some brocolli or cabbage raw and see how you feel.  I don't know about you, I never get indigestion or feeling stuffed from eating meat.  I fasted for 2 weeks and broke it eating a whole pizza.  Bad idea, crazy gas and hiccups for about 3 days 'til you get your digestion back. That wasn't caused by the amount of food but the types of food I decided to devour.  I don't know about all these fasting websites telling you to eat veggies after a fast.  To me, that's complete nonsense.  Back in paleo times, I doubt they ate little amounts of meat after making a kill.  Life was feast and famine back then.  Calorie intake should be chaotic, not some set daily regiment. 

Fasting is awesome, it's the only way I know to deal with my health problems.  I just love how my skin glows after a fast.  People compliment me on my skin all the time after a fast.  People will notice a difference.  You'll look like crap while you're fasting, but when it's over and you start eating again, that's when the magic happens.  Your body starts to rebuild itself, you feel and look younger.  Especially if you have diabetes like me.  Sometimes I'm so greatful that I am a diabetic, it forced me to learn how to take care of my body.  Now that I know about eating paleo and fasting, diabetes is a joke really.  I just wished others could see the light.  Humans were meant to be predators, period... not some domesticated animal eating fritos and mountain dew sitting around playing Xbox. 

[RomanK]

Chan, I sent U e-mail, I got the same question
if braking fast with raw meat is OK from your
expirience?

[William]

Life was feast and famine back then.  Calorie intake should be chaotic, not some set daily regiment. 

The available evidence indicates that life, including getting food, was easy.

[TylerDurden]

The available evidence indicates that life, including getting food, was easy.

 No the available evidence is that life was nasty, brutish and short. Despite your claims palaeo peoples didn't live as long as we do, had much higher infant-mortality and would die from a simple thing as a broken leg, given no means to repair such injuries.

[Paleo Donk]

How hard is it to get food today in the African Savannah? How the hell did Bear Grylls find a substantial amount of zebra flesh to eat that could sustain him for several days? Is there not an abundance of rotting animal carcasses around that we could scavenge with no tools whatsoever? I wonder if the scavenging meat was even easier in paleo times.

[TylerDurden]

How hard is it to get food today in the African Savannah? How the hell did Bear Grylls find a substantial amount of zebra flesh to eat that could sustain him for several days? Is there not an abundance of rotting animal carcasses around that we could scavenge with no tools whatsoever? I wonder if the scavenging meat was even easier in paleo times.

  Bear Grylls, as has been noted in previous threads, is a fraud. He was reported to have slept in hotels yet given the impression that he was sleeping in the wild. And there have been reports of staged shoots etc.

As for scavenged carcasses, wild animals tend to pounce on any carcasses available so that it's not necessarily all that easy to find a fresh, largely uneaten kill.

[Ioanna]

Is Bear Grylls the same person as "The Bear" that people have posted about?

[TylerDurden]

Is Bear Grylls the same person as "The Bear" that people have posted about?

  No, Bear Grylls is merely a British TV presenter who likes to do survivalist type documentaries where he eats live earthworms and the like.

[Paleo Donk]

I hope the thread doesnt detract from here, but Bear Grylls certainly is not a fraud. His show might not be a complete representation of what he does but a few cover-ups which may be deemed to hint at fraudulent actions does not make him for the rest of time a fraud.  I think it is more correct to say that his show has not been fully forthcoming and that the viewer needs to be aware that the chance of everything being as it is seen is lessened. Some of the things he does are absolutely incredible and the knowledge he dispenses is also very valuable whether its fed to him or not.

If I make a few bad posts,  it does not mean I am irrevocably damaged and that all my posts are going to be worthless just like Bear Grylls flaking out a few times does not mean everything else he does is an illusion.

This still doesn't tell me much about the random zebra he found, only that perhaps there is a greater than 0 chance that it was not put there by nature. I just watched the video again, about 80-90 percent of the zebra was eaten but there was still plenty left for a few people to survive the day with. It looks entirely real and so it makes me wonder how easily paleo man could have survived like this. Were there more animals to be scavenged in paleo times? And how good were they at scavenging?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRKpnkX99z0

Also to add of interest is that Grylls is almost always eating animals or insects and rarely plants. I can't actually recall him eating any plant matter. He eats a good proportion of them raw as well so in essence he is mainly raw paleo on his show.

[TylerDurden]

Rawpaleoforum is not too good a forum re search-engine it seems. At any rate, here is the article which started the whole thing :-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470155/How-Bear-Grylls-Born-Survivor-roughed--hotels.html

[William]

 No the available evidence is that life was nasty, brutish and short. Despite your claims palaeo peoples didn't live as long as we do, had much higher infant-mortality and would die from a simple thing as a broken leg, given no means to repair such injuries.

Here we go again...

Tons of evidence that life in the neolithic was and is nasty, brutish and short compared to the paleolithic. Otherwise we would not be trying to eat paleo.
You have never quoted credible evidence supporting your statement.

Note the remark by the archaeologist in charge of the Göbekli Tepe dig site, to the effect that the life of paleolithic man was leisurely compared to the grinding labour of the neolithic farmer.

[TylerDurden]

Here we go again...

Tons of evidence that life in the neolithic was and is nasty, brutish and short compared to the paleolithic. Otherwise we would not be trying to eat paleo.
You have never quoted credible evidence supporting your statement.

Note the remark by the archaeologist in charge of the Göbekli Tepe dig site, to the effect that the life of paleolithic man was leisurely compared to the grinding labour of the neolithic farmer.

 Actually, I've shown again and again that paleo life was nasty brutish and short. Here's a link describing high infant mortality in the Palaeolithic, lower lifespan vis-a-vis us(but not early Neolithic-era peoples) , the harshness of palaeo living etc.:-

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/angel-1984/angel-1984-1a.shtml

[William]

 Actually, I've shown again and again that paleo life was nasty brutish and short. Here's a link describing high infant mortality in the Palaeolithic, lower lifespan vis-a-vis us(but not early Neolithic-era peoples) , the harshness of palaeo living etc.:-

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/angel-1984/angel-1984-1a.shtml

Trollwork. Tries to show that absence of disease marks on bones implies death. Junk science at best.

[TylerDurden]

Trollwork. Tries to show that absence of disease marks on bones implies death. Junk science at best.

  Dear god, not that old chestnut claiming that palaeo tribesmen were practically immortal. But then, your being a creationist, I suppose that would be an inevitable belief.

[William]

  Dear god, not that old chestnut claiming that palaeo tribesmen were practically immortal. But then, your being a creationist, I suppose that would be an inevitable belief.

Belief (in tall tales) is your shtick, not mine.

I will stay with the evidence.

[PaleoPhil]

Quote from: William on January 15, 2010, 09:47:33 PM
The available evidence indicates that life, including getting food, was easy.

 No the available evidence is that life was nasty, brutish and short. Despite your claims palaeo peoples didn't live as long as we do, had much higher infant-mortality and would die from a simple thing as a broken leg, given no means to repair such injuries.

These are two extreme views and I think the evidence suggests the truth was somewhere in-between. The nasty, brutish and short quip is the number one criticism thrown at Paleo diets (and probably the number two criticism of RPD after the claim that eating raw meat is unhealthy due to bacteria & parasites), so I'll focus on that (besides, I doubt anyone takes seriously William's claims [inferences] that Paleolithic societies were utopias and the people immortal).

Tyler, why do you continue to repeat the favorite attack mantra of our critics? Quoting it repeatedly serves to undermine this forum more than just about anything anyone could do (talking about breastfeeding beyond a year or two or Weston Price doesn't come close and I've never seen anyone outside of you criticize Paleo dieters for those reasons) besides advocating tyranny or something else really extreme. This is truly bizarre. I've never seen a diet forum where one of it's leaders repeatedly quoted the favorite criticism used by its opponents. You dealt with it rather differently here:

1. NASTY, BRUTISH AND SHORT: STONE AGERS ONLY LIVED TO BE 30-40, SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN HEALTHY

"Palaeos had a mean age of 35 for men, 30 for women. This didn't mean they all died at those ages, mostly, it merely showed that that was the mean average lifespan, and the statistics reflect a high infant mortality, so that people who survived past infancy would have mostly lived much longer than  their thirties. Of course, the disadvantage of living in palaeo times was that one could easily die from a broken leg. However, proponents of palaeolithic diets do not want to wholly give up on the technology that humans have created since palaeo times, they just want to use it in a way that is not hamrful to them." -Tyler, http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/hot-topics/common-criticisms-directed-at-paleo-diet-proponents/msg23814/#msg23814

From that it looks like you were not claiming that food scarcity was the prime reason behind "nasty, brutish and short." Instead, you talked about high infant mortality and broken legs. Do you think food scarcity or diet were substantial factors in "nasty, brutish and short"? Do they indicate, like our critics suggest, that we should instead eat a neolithic diet?

[William]

I doubt anyone takes seriously William's claims that Paleolithic societies were utopias and the people immortal

I made no such claims. I inferred  from the available evidence, which is bones. How could they possibly have worse than our society?
The Sumerian record is not a claim, it is a translation by Z Sitchin of a document written =>6,000 years ago by a scribe, probably copying an older document. Then again he may have been instructed to lie. We don't know.
The only claim I make is that the translation exists, and you may see it for yourself in a copy of the book. That makes it evidence.

I wish people would get a grip on the meaning of the word evidence. To me evidence is evident, not hearsay.