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I do not believe in that endurance running assumption.  I would believe long walking treks, but not running.

I believe since humans are smart... that is our thing... they would set up traps easily for animals.  Much like today, pit traps, noose traps, use bait... it is smarts that matter, not endurance running.  Trapping prey is easy... very easy... you make a couple of traps and just inspect the traps from time to time.  This will explain for the leisure time enjoyed by Paleo people and why humans love to play.

The movie 10,000 BC showed one way how to catch a wooly mammoth.

Err, don't depend on movies for depicting reality - this is especially the case with regard to any of Roland Emmerich's awful movies!
As regards traps and things like bows and arrows, according to a palaeoarchaeologist I talked to on allexperts.com, they weren't invented until very late in the Palaeolithic, c.60,000 years ago.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: New Zealand Grass fed sperm
« on: October 21, 2008, 06:02:33 pm »
It's not bogus at all, although the article is dead-wrong in stating that sperm-count decline is only happening in New Zealand. In fact, it seems to be happening on a worldwide scale, though I would assume that developing countries where people are on less processed diets are probably beter off:-

http://www.cqs.com/esperm.htm

A long time back, I did some exhaustive Googling on the subject of the benefits of organ-meats and I found an exchange between zoo-directors which mentioned how several large carnivore species would steadily decline in fertility if they were denied access to organ-meats - this didn't apply to wild animals taken to zoos from the wild but it did apply, aparently, to wild animals which had spent their whole lives in zoos. Can't remember the reference , right now, though.

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Hot Topics / Re: Charles Zero-Carb Running Journal
« on: October 21, 2008, 05:47:53 pm »
Yes, the toxins in cooked-foods do usually prevent weight-loss, particularly in my own case.

The reason why Charles has a bigger following than Lex is obvious:- not only is he suggesting that it doesn't matter whether you cook your meats( citing Stefansson's experiment despite the fact that Stefansson  ate some raw animal food(eg:- raw marrow) during his short-lived 12-month-long Bellevue experiment), but also he recommends cheaper, grainfed meats rather than the slightly more expensive grassfed meats. People will always follow the path of least resistance and when a diet offers an easy way out, even if it doesn't work long-term, it's still an attractive option for many people.

Last I checked, Charles doesn't do dairy, right?

*NB:- I don't suggest that grassfed meat is expensive as that's a bit of a myth. It isn't really as , due to its higher nutrient-levels, one can live perfectly well on smaller amounts of grassfed meats than is the case with grainfed meats. When one further compares a raw-animal-food diet consisting of grassfed meat with a conventional junk-food diet based on the "balanced diet", then one can see just how much cheaper a raw-animal-food diet is as most RAFers aren't going in for chocolate/alcohol/smoking binges, let alone binging on crisps("chips" to Americans) and other junk-food. Yet, some RAFers keep on complaining about how expensive a RAF diet is.

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Best type of raw honey to get hold of is raw honeycomb(preferably from high-grade sources such as heather or apples). So-called "raw honey", in liquid form, is often lightly pasteurised and it's legal, within the UK, to categorise honey as raw if it's heated to 80 degrees Centigrade for only a very short time. Honeycomb(in the UK) is almost always raw, unless it's within a jar, in which case it's pasteurised.

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General Discussion / Re: Acid-Base
« on: October 21, 2008, 02:46:29 am »
One problem with the acid-alkali theory is that our blood is rigidly controlled by our bodies to remain within a very narrow PH-range(otherwise we die). Same goes for our other organs. About the only major difference, is that our urine can be particularly acid or alkaline, but this has nothing to do with our body's acid/alkali status , as a whole.

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Hot Topics / Re: Charles Zero-Carb Running Journal
« on: October 20, 2008, 11:36:19 pm »
Jimmy Moore kicked Charles off his forum.  Does anyone know where Charles' new forum is?

Why was Charles kicked off the forum? For being too zero-carb-oriented rather than low-carb, perhaps?

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Hot Topics / Re: Charles Zero-Carb Running Journal
« on: October 20, 2008, 11:35:40 pm »
Many simply don't believe that an all raw diet is necessary for health, especially when their current diet has made them feel much better and improved their health over their previous diets. He knows RAF-ers exist but only he can really answer as to why he doesn't choose it for himself. The rest is speculation.

Craig

That's true, people generally only turn to raw animal food diets out of desperation once all other diets and options have been exhausted. The culturally-induced phobias concerning raw animal foods are just too strong, in most cases.

Plus, people frequently delude themselves about their state of health.I know a doctor who needs to take painkillers twice every day in order to avoid looking obviously frail and has to, like others of his generation, take lots of supplements to make up for the missing nutrients in his "balanced diet", yet he views my own raw-animal-food-diet as a deluded  cult that he tries to, in a supposedly subtle manner, to turn me away from - and he's under his own  delusion that  he's better-off than many others of his generation, healthwise. I was told by another acquaintance that he once forgot his pain-killers and so had to laboriouslyand ignominiously  crawl slowly up the long, steep steps in my Italian garden from the sea, because the pain was too great in his f***ed-up joints for him to be able to walk normally up the steep steps.

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General Discussion / Re: PORKY
« on: October 20, 2008, 08:09:42 pm »
Well, if pigs in the Ukraine really do have such a varied diet, then it should be fine to eat them.

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General Discussion / Re: PORKY
« on: October 20, 2008, 07:45:42 pm »
The animals least likely to be fed grains in a country where the notion of grassfed meat is nonexistent are lamb and horse. In Italy, a country where one can only find organic, free-range chicken and organic, free-range eggs and virtually no other organic foods(at least in my provincial area), I've found it best to either rely primarily on horsemeat(which is almost wholly grassfed- horses are only fed a few oats, and then not always, and otherwise left out to graze in the fields), and, to a much lesser extent, on rather expensive wildcaught seafood - the place is a tourist-trap which relies on affluent French tourists to visit their cheaper Italian markets, so they deliberately hike up the prices of seafood from the beginning of May till the beginning of October, in order to rip off the tourists.

I've eaten wild boar and can tell you that the taste is far superior to that of domesticated 100%-grainfed pigs. The natural diet of wild pigs only consists of a little grain not 100% grain, so I doubt Ukrainian pork is of good value(unless you have a garden somewhere big enough to handle a few pigs).

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General Discussion / Re: Cool Blog
« on: October 18, 2008, 10:34:20 pm »
This blog has been around for years, I'm not sure if the owner is a member, here. I've already posted a link to this blog(among several others) in a relevant "Sticky" topic in the Journals forum.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Just joined, a little about myself
« on: October 18, 2008, 09:23:06 pm »
Welcome to the forum! I have to admit I've always been wary of the notion of building my own PC as, apparently, it's very easy to create  a short-circuit etc. in the process, plus there's no manufacturing centre to send the PC back if the PC fuses or breaks down for whatever reason.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Feeder mice
« on: October 18, 2008, 09:10:47 pm »
OUr digestive system is really closest to the pig(an omnivore), not to dogs.

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Yes, that makes sense. MS is an auto-immune disease, so exposure to bacteria/parasites would help reduce the body's overreactive response from the immune-system:-


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6268585.stm

Also, avoiding inflammation-inducing foods such as dairy, grains and cooked-foods would help as well.

Here's some MS/Mercola references online:-

http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=show&pageid=808

Here's the reference to Mercola curing an MS patient on a raw-food diet(including raw animal foods):-

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/11/ms-success.aspx


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/11/ms-success.aspx

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Personals / Re: RAF Diet meetups
« on: October 18, 2008, 04:58:10 am »
The UK newspapers were saying the opposite,recently,  that the UK pound, and to a lesser extent the euro, was tanking heavily against the US dollar, so that trips to the US would no longer be an option. We really need a single world-currency, these days.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: EGGS
« on: October 17, 2008, 10:28:34 pm »
Uhm, this makes sense, Tyler.
But can we assume this unfertilized egg were eaten, if found ?
In this case humans got used to digest them...

Not if the amount of unfertilised eggs eaten was very small. Besides, we humans haven't really adapted to dairy after 9,000 years of drinking the stuff, let alone cooked-food which we've been eating for 250,000 years or so - (to adapt fully to cooked-food one would have to be completely immune to the effects of the toxins in cooked-foods such as AGEs(advanced glycation endproducts/heterocyclic amines(HCAs) etc.) Those anti-rawists who argue that we need to be on a cooked-diet for health-reasons would, in order to be logical in their argument, have to argue that we need to absorb those very toxins in cooked-foods in order to stay healthy, as the primary differences between raw food and cooked-food is that raw food has a higher water-content, that raw food has far fewer harmful toxins(In a general sense) than cooked-foods, and that raw food has  higher nutrient-levels.

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Personals / Re: RAF Diet meetups
« on: October 17, 2008, 08:34:28 pm »
I have a really wonderful villa in Northern Italy, very near the French border,  which would be available during certain months of summer for RAF gatherings(with me not necessarily present). London homes are usually too small for sizeable meetings.

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Someone off-site has had problems posting on this site, so has asked me to post a query for him. He wants to know if anyone here has recovered from MS(Multiple Sclerosis) on a Raw-Animal-Food diet or knows someone who has.

He was also under the impression that Aajonus hasn't mentioned recovery from MS as one of the benefits of the Primal Diet. Does anyone know what Aajonus actually says about Multiple Sclerosis?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: EGGS
« on: October 17, 2008, 07:14:57 pm »
Iceman, I tried just the yolks, and they are great, but cannot sand throw away food, so I went back to eat the whole egg.
In the fertilize egg you foud was there a label stating they were fertilized ?

Kyle, I think in the wild you just cannot know if the eggs you find are ferilized or not (util you open it).
This is my thought about that: a bird expell the egg anyway (whether if it has copulated or not), so during reproduction times you would have found fertilized eggs, during non reprodution times the eggs were unfertilized (every animal species have cyclical reproduction times). If eggs were eaten, then I believe they were eaten both fertilized and unferitlized, because if eggs were recognized as "good" every egg found would be eaten. IMHO
I'm afraid this is rather unlikely. You see, the only reason why domesticated chickens manage to produce so many unfertilised eggs each year is that they are bred genetically for that purpose over millenia,fed on diets extremely high in grains and are kept away from male cockerels, which would not be the case in the wild. Birds in the wild generally lay only a few eggs a year, usually during a breeding season, not just for human consumption, so 99% of the time the eggs would have been fertilised, due to the presence of male cockerels. Only, in very unusual circumstances, where local predators had killed off the male cockerels etc., would eggs from wild birds be unfertilised.

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Journals / Re: Python's Journal
« on: October 17, 2008, 07:04:37 pm »
I would hevaily disagree that raw meats have less flavour/taste than their cooked-equivalent. Most people find transitioning to raw, initially, quite difficult, because they find that the flavour of raw meats is, actually, more intense, not less - this is especially the case with meats from wild animals and organ-metats, in general.

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Personals / Re: Southern California
« on: October 17, 2008, 04:58:45 am »
You should join the Primal Diet yahoo group and ask them where and when the Primal Diet Potlucks are held.  Southern California is the one place where such regular Meetups are held frequently, or so I'm told(mainly around the Los Angeles area, but also San Diego etc.). To join the Primal Diet Yahoo Group, you have to send an e-mail to the owner, asking to be put on the yahoo group and stating that you've read Aajonus' book "We Want To Live" (and his 2nd recipes book, if you've done so as well) as that's an entry requirement. The list is relatively light re posting so you'll have to post via the Primal Diet yahoo groups main page. The owner's e-mail-address is found here:-


primaldiet-owner@yahoogroups.com

The Primal Diet yahoo group is found here, but you can't access it until you're signed onto yahoo groups, at the time:-

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/primaldiet/




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Personals / Re: Chicago
« on: October 16, 2008, 07:06:45 pm »
What I find amusing is when people(such as my father) have a love of smelly, aged, raw cheeses and a loathing of pasteurised cheeses, yet  they react with horror at the thought of someone like me eating fresh, raw meat - I mean, the equivalent of aged, raw cheeses is rotting(raw) meat.

1 idea I have re meetups is to suggest that members of this forum who have the right location/size of house/flat for such gatherings, should put up a notice here in the personals giving their rough location(eg:-1 hour's drive from airport or whatever), then anyone interested in a meetup could put their name down for any possible future gathering. When enough people sign up, the host/original poster could set up a date for a "RAF Potluck" and so on.

What I would, though, eventually like to see is what the raw vegans have which is raw food meetup forums for each US State plus 1 for most major countries around the world. What I find so annoying is that Aajonus has estimated that there are c.20,000 Primal Dieters in North America alone(I believe that to be a rather conservative estimate not exaggerated, given various reports I've read etc.), and yet there's no system in place for them to meet up. I get the impression that Aajonus actively discourages such gatherings as he prefers people to turn up to his workshops instead so that he gets his money.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: EGGS
« on: October 16, 2008, 06:48:13 pm »
Well, 3 eggs a day isn't as extreme as some.

The way you recognise fertilised eggs is to look inside the yolk and you'll see a red nucleus forming(or embryo, if the eggs have beeen fertilised some time ago), judging from what I've heard. I've never actually seen a fertilised egg in the UK as they're almost unheard of.

Re health:- I noticed a slowed healing-rate after eating too many raw eggs a day. I can't remember exact specific details, except that I would feel stronger on those days when I ate meats instead of eggs. These days, it's less of an issue as I've recovered, healthwise.

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Journals / Re: iceman jurnl
« on: October 16, 2008, 06:37:02 am »
The Instincto habit of "Mono-eating" worked well for me when I first started as I had digestive issues with the complex food-combinations that Ajonus recommended in his books.

Re Cordain:- He's an advocate of cooked-palaeolithic diets so he's talking about cooked eggs. As regards just the yolks, Aajonus claims that the protein in eggs isn't as fully utilisable as protein in meat. I tend to agree, from my own personal experience. Plus, a surprising number of RAFers are allergic to eggs, even raw eggs - it's one of the more common allergies, like dairy and wheat-allergy.

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General Discussion / Re: sick as a dog...
« on: October 16, 2008, 12:51:13 am »
Raw dairy and raw meats together definitely don't mix. I felt forced to keep them separate when I still drank raw dairy early on in the diet. And it's generally recommended on RAF diets to avoid mixing them. I think(?) milk requires alkaline digestion, whereas meats require mild acidic digestion(?)

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General Discussion / Re: sick as a dog...
« on: October 16, 2008, 12:11:04 am »
That's strange. Generally speaking,I've only had such things appear when I've mixed raw and cooked(junk) foods together in quick succession. Are you perhaps eating too much in one go?

Well, if this had been me, I would have resorted to either eating some "high-meat" in order to get some extra bacteria in order to restore the right balance within my body, or I would go in for a 2-3 day-long (mineral-)water-fast to allow my stomach to sort itself out. I'm sure you're leery of "high-meat" at this stage so  probably best to go for the 2nd option.

Re antibiotics:- I was once given antibiotics when I was 14. The stuff very nearly killed me, I vomited everywhere and felt like death for days. Yet, the nurse pretended that antibiotics never had such an effect. I found out later that that was nonsense.

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