People always remark how my light-brown hair becomes blondish after some exposure to the Mediterranean sun.

I'm afraid Jung's ideas have, these days, been as  discredited as Freud was in the past. Yes, I've done these tests, before, and I think(?) I got INTP, every single time as a result. But we are all so different as individuals, that I don't think that humanity can be reliably divided into just 16 types.

I would love to get something like that organised but it's a bit lonely for RAF'ers in my neck of the woods. Good samaritans the closest! The amount of London people will start to grow for sure? there seems to be a few. It will happen, I would move to London if it did, just for the summer though!

The truth is that there are a lot more raw-animal-foodists in  the UK(and elsewhere) than you might imagine. Trouble is that most people on any Internet forums rarely bother posting even once, just reading the posts, so it's impossible to identify them all, let alone those RAFers who never both going online at all - I keep on hearing vaguely from people like Jon C Fox about how they get large numbers of orders from the UK for Aajonus' books, for example, and I notice, sometimes, that someone's put "_uk" or similiar in their username when looking at the group-lists of usernames.
. There's a Yahoo group called "livefoodoz"(search under "aajonus" on Yahoo Groups, and scroll down), plus there are a few mentions online Re Australian "Instinctos' who eat a little raw animal food, usually.

Hey Geoff

I'm starting to get the feeling that you believe hide fat is better than suet. I'm open to the idea also, where did you get the info that hide fat has more omega 3. Suet seams to be prized by weston price primitives but I'm guessing hide fat was too.

I would love to just have a huge supply of ox tongue, that fat is special IMO I have no evidence though...

Either Lex or Gary(Via) mentioned this point re suet from the kidney area being far more saturated than fat elsewhere - since that kind of suet is what is usually on offer, that's not so good. Large amounts of hide-fat are very difficult to get hold of unless you live in a region where cattle are kept beyond the 30-month-slaughtering-limit imposed by the EU.

I also wish I could get a regular supply of tongue, but there's just no demand for it. I actually think that if we all started banding together into local,raw animal food cooperatives like some Primal Dieters do in the States then we would have enough financial muscle-power to get farmers to give us whatever organ-meats we want.

i do consume a fair amount of raw dairy(raw butter is amazing) but i must say if i eat/ drink too much in the course of a couple of days i get a sore throat which will disappear within 24 hours if i dont consume anymore...perhaps there is something to be said for that but i do find it makes me feel good and i otherwise process it just fine.

It's common to experience euphoria from drinking dairy - I experienced this myself(along with a subsequent rise and drastic fall in energy-levels), and, as a result of this euphoria, I continued to drink raw dairy for months afterwards, until I finally realised that it was doing me a lot of harm. The euphoria is due to the opioids in the dairy. However, these opioids are very addictive, which is why people often find it so difficult to wean themselves off the foul stuff.

Thanks Geoff.  Layer Marney does look good.  Incredibly they're relatively local too.  I grew up in Essex so I know the area well.  I will contact them to try to divulge further feed information such as what they're fed during the housed period between Jan - March.  I also came across another place which looks really good and it's cycling distance from me!  I'm waiting to hear back from them by email but if I get a chance will try to visit this weekend.  See what you think of Brecks Farm here: http://www.back-to-the-garden.co.uk/

On the subject of eating lamb in general and you mentioning buying a whole leg - how do you go about eating it? Most lamb cuts seem to be so fatty! I've only ever eaten cutlets or meaty chops.  Do you eat all of that fat too?!  I've always had a real problem eating the meat fat on the organic beef I buy as it, literally, makes me gag. 

Interestingly though, I had my 1st delivery from the Well Hung Meat Company today and have eaten 1/2kg of their braising steak tonight including the extensive amount of surrounding fat.  It didn't make me gag at all and was actually quite nice!  The meat tasted so different to what I've been used to as well.  As I'd read about grass-fed, the muscle meat itself was quite a strong, gamey taste.  Evidence perhaps of their commitment to being grain free!

re: butter - I certainly intend on excluding it from my diet eventually. It's so rare that I have any now that I have virtually excluded it by default! But, I am concerned about my low fat intake.  If I had a reliable source (or any source for that matter!) of suet and marrow then the butter would be history.  An interesting thought about simply using egg yolks though.  As you say, certainly fertilised eggs are unheard of in the UK.  In what way does this alter the avidin argument, however?  I'd be very interested to hear your further comments about that.

wodgina6722  I know exactly where you're coming from!  The worst thing I ever did was introduce a couple of good friends to the primal diet. My butter, cream and honey supply was suddenly reduced by 66% !!!!    Still, taking a more selfless view my actions did help improve their lives & health dramatically.  I'm a little less generous with my sources these days though! 

The Brecks farm sounds good. But, still, I've heard horror-stories from 1 or 2 Brits about being told by the farmer that their animals were 100% grassfed only for them to read a brochure which stated that the animals were, in fact, fed some grain etc. Always good to check, first, then to evaluate the product - in my own case, I came across one very dodgy farmer who sold (lightly-pasteurised) dairy as raw(quite common in the UK, as the raw dairy industry is so unregulated) - his suet was also much poorer in taste compared to the high-quality suet I later got from Lower Hurst Farm, so I knew I had been had.

Re lamb-fat:- When I first started the diet, I found it impossible to carry on with it, without turning to wildcaught fish and shellfish. The taste of intensively-farmed grainfed meats was just too disgusting in raw form. The taste of less intensively-farmed organic grainfed meat (such as what I found in Italy at one point) was much better, but it was still so bland that I took no enjoyment in my food and my appetite went right down - fortunately, I found grassfed sources at the LFM markets, so that was fine.

The fat from the Layer Marney leg of lamb/mutton has an excellent taste(though I have to use my teeth to get the last bits of flesh/fat off which is awkward). Other types of white fat such as that onm the beef-hearts I get isn't nearly as good in taste, by comparison.

Re avidin:- Some rawists have claimed that you only get biotin deficiency if you eat the equivalent of 24 raw eggs a day, including the egg-white. Others have claimed that it's better to just eat the egg-yolk as they cite potential side-effects re biotin-deficiency. It's difficult to say, but perhaps one should err on the side of caution, given the lack of fertilised, raw eggs in the UK. Besides, eggs are unlikely to have been a staple of the Palaeolithic Diet given that wild birds generally only lay seasonally, rather than every day like chickens, and in relatively inaccessible areas. I view eggs as only a substitute for not getting other better fats.

Re fat:- The key is to get all those omega-3s. If that means that you have to get them from muscle-meat fat, because you can't get hold of suet/marrow, that's not the end of the world. Just tell the farmers NOT to cut away the fat from the meats, as they usually do before the sale/delivery. Then you'll have lots more available, without needing the suet/marrow. Liver, kidney and tongue are the easiest organ-meats to get hold of and should be available if you keep on Googling and asking farmers - beef-tongue is a lot easier to get hold of than suet or marrow, and is a hefty 50-60% fat, I forget the exact figure. One tip:- I've noticed that I'm far more likely to get a response from farmers if I contact them by phone rather than e-mail.

Welcome Anavegana!

All I can say re mineral-water is that tap-water and a raw animal food diet do not mix, in my own case. On the few occasions I  added in (London-) tapwater in the past, because I was too lazy to get mineral-water, my appetite and sense of taste would go down - and I'd have a (very slightly) lower sense of wellbeing/energy. This effect is less than it used to be, though. I don't drink mineral-water while on holiday as the tapwater is 99% of the time mineral-water from mountain-streams up above - it's just London that provides me with chlorinated tapwater that's been through c.8 other people's bladders by the time it reaches me.

I recommend alkaline mineral-water - the PH7.0 or below mineral-waters just don't have the right taste, and PH 7.2 to PH 8.4 is roughly what one would more commonly find in rivers and lakes. I would also strongly suggest that you buy them in 5-litre bottles(or whatever that is in gallons?), as that is a great way to cut down on costs. Here in the UK, 1.5 litres will cost c.89 pennies, while a 5-litre mineral-water bottle costs 1 pound and 49 pence.

*Thanks for reminding me re this topic, I'll include a mention re including mineral-water in one's diet if one's in an urban environment where they adulterate the water.*

The host of oneradionetwork.com scheduled the interview on 2 different occasions and Aajonus either did not answer or the phone was busy.  Very disappointing to say the least and definitely the last time I will try to promote Aajonus to anyone.  I'll post the interview if it ever happens.          

That's odd - Aajonus is usually dead-keen on publicity of any kind. You contacted Aajonus via optimal@earthlink.net, I presume?

Brunette ... with blue eyes is wild!

Wine or beer? 

I never liked wine in my cooked-food days. On a rawpalaeo diet, I suspect that most wine is either preheated and, without question, filled with sulphites as a preservative - I have yet to come acros wine without sulphites.

Real Ale, is technically rawpalaeo-friendly as it's raw and is full of live, fermenting bacteria. The taste is much better than lager as well. However, alcohol, however raw, is toxic so I avoid alcohol with the exception of certain social occasions.

Give money to NASA or the 3rd world?

There is a large difference between the abundance of paleo foods and junk foods. Saying that simply the abundance of food causes obesity and diabetes I don't agree with. I may be wrong, but no one's gonna get diabetes from eating too much raw meat.

People may not get diabetes from eating too much raw meat, but they can get other health-problems from eating too much. One of the major criticisms of the Primal Diet was that many people took literally Aajonus' instructions in his We Want To Live book(1997 edition) to eat dozens of small meals a day, involving a huge amount of food each day - as a result, many people(myself included) suffered from eating too much raw, lean muscle-meat, or excess amounts of other raw foods on the Primal Diet, such as raw honey. I was no exception, I found that constant digestion diverted resources from the rest of my body, thus lowering concentration, increasing fatigue etc. Another thing noticed by many RPDers is that fasting intensifies the healing process.

So what goal did you achieve then, hum?  I bet when food was available, you eat and were happy.You said it right! ->  "makes it very tempting"  That does NOT mean people are or will overeat.  Now, you narrow it down to junk food instead of food in general.  Now admittedly I loathe junk food but even junk food is alright in the right portions.  The danger lies in consuming too much of it too often.

The goal is, of course, meaningless, as fasting or starving result in the same condition. As regards the issue of junk-food, sure a toxin in smaller amounts is less harmful than one in larger amounts, but that's irrelevant. You haven't answered my point that people link the overabundance of food to health-problems. This doesn't apply just to junk-food, anything eaten in excess is bad for you, there's a condition called hyponatraemia which is caused by drinking too much water. In short, most people tend to make greater use of resources when they're in abundance, this is only logical.

*Mind you, this is a pointless argument, as we're arguing from different premises/definitions*

That's true.  Since reading that, I have been just swallowing my food whole and it does save time.  Seems right as well, the animals I see on national geographic always gulf their food down as quickly as possible without chewing for the most part.

Re "eating":- I meant, of course , that I saved time by not chewing a lot, or preparing or cooking my foods(well, other than cutting with a knife). *