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General Discussion / Re: self-sustainment
« on: September 13, 2008, 05:43:04 pm »
Basically,  you should research anything online re the concept of "survivalism" which is all about self-sufficiency and independence from civilisation.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: solid foundation
« on: September 13, 2008, 05:40:56 pm »
Everyone goes through an initial phase where they think they can't find any suitable high-quality grassfed/organic meats. This is nonsense. There's always some farm nearby which stores it or a far away one which delivers it to your door. Here's one from the eatwild.com site:-

http://www.eatwild.com/products/hawaii.html

Also ask people at the Pangaia website - they're a Primal Diet-oriented raw-animal-food-eating community in Hawaii  who will know exactly where to get hold of high-quality raw meats:-

http://www.pangaia.cc/raw.html

Also, search on Google under "hawaii grassfed organic meats" etc. You'll inevitably find something. Most people in continental US buy via delivery from online  grassfed farms such as Slanker's or NorthStar Bison, but they presumably won't deliver to hawai(yet check them out, just in case I'm wrong).

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 13, 2008, 05:21:44 pm »
Quote from: boxcarguy07 on September 13, 2008, 10:20:04 am
Thanks for the response Lex.
It seems like with the variety of organs they use in the mix (liver, kidney, and spleen) that it would be enough variety. I'm not sure how much organ meat they put in there (they say it's just a little) but if you're eating it every day then it probably adds up to be enough organs, huh?


And yeah, I couldn't care less about the USDA stamp or whatever.  ;D


So Lex just eats liver, kidney and spleen, and no other organs?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Why can't Tyler do zero carb?
« on: September 13, 2008, 06:18:51 am »
Quote from: Kristelle on September 13, 2008, 05:11:37 am
Tyler,

To me, it's clear you were in ketosis, the symptoms are so characteristic of ketosis. I know...been there and this can be researched as well. But eventually, one becomes keto-adapted and doesn't experience all that. I'm currently at that stage and I can tell you...it's AMAZING!!! Truly. I'm never ever going to carbs.

One remains in ketosis either because of too many carbs in the diet (even from organ meats or shellfish and you eat include a good deal), because they haven't given it enough time (a maximum of 2 months, it seems) or because of a consumption of too many fats in which case, one is keto-adapted but producing excess ketones due to excess dietary fat, hence ketosis.

It's clear, in my case, my ketosis was due to excess fats. In Tyler's case, I suspect too many carbs from organ meats especially which leads me to believe that Inuits couldn't have eaten so much organ meat because that would have left them in a state of constant ketosis...certainly not efficient and healthy.

My 2 cents...


Fair enough. But on at least 1 such experiment I made sure to avoid (carb-containing) raw liver, except in very small, fortnightly  amounts, and only ate meats/organs from land mammals(with lots of raw suet), with no carb-heavy stuff such as oysters or mussels.
Plus, the effects weren't just awkward but almost life-threatening(I had heart-palpitations etc.) At the time, 3 years of rawpalaeo(2.5 years of non-dairy rawpalaeo?). I agree that it's possible to do zero-carb properly, like Lex, with no issues, but there will always be people with unique circumstances etc. who can't handle certain foods like raw carbs or zero-carb or whatever. Craig suggested an issue with adrenal burnout - I had former adrenal-related issues, but, while they'd cleared up by then, it's always possible that my adrenals were functioning OK but not enough to sustain zero-carb - a wild guess.

I suppose it is possible that I was eating too much raw fat, as I made sure to eat vast amounts of tongue and suet/marrow to avoid the scare re rabbit-starvation. Not sure whether I want to risk doing another trial for 2 months or more - I mean, the usual limit for me is 5 weeks before I have to give up.

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General Discussion / Re: Morphological(?) Considerations
« on: September 13, 2008, 06:06:00 am »
Quote from: Squall on September 13, 2008, 04:53:25 am
I think I have similar adrenal problems. Probably related to too much coffee and too much tobacco. And probably due to a SAD diet too, and stress. I'm looking forward to seeing some of those symptoms go bye-bye. Maybe even all!

I would strongly suggest you get hold of raw glandulars(thyroid and adrenal) from grassfed cattle. Either get them from a farm(eg:- Northstar bison website) or Dr Ron's website.

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General Discussion / Re: Morphological(?) Considerations
« on: September 13, 2008, 03:36:16 am »
I had muscle-wastage(due to adrenal burnout) and the diet sorted that out over several months. I also found that I developed extra muscle-mass at the gym quite quickly.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Why can't Tyler do zero carb?
« on: September 12, 2008, 10:50:02 pm »
Quote from: Nicola on September 12, 2008, 08:06:53 pm
Salt has to do with hydration, fatigue!

Nicola

I actually tried adding salt during one of those experiments, in order to enhance my appetite. It didn't work.

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Off Topic / Re: Happy Birthday, TylerDurden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: September 12, 2008, 10:48:28 pm »
No, I'm not much of a runner, I'm afraid. Skiing or hiking(slowly) is my thing.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Why can't Tyler do zero carb?
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:31:20 pm »
Well, I tried  2 or 3 zero-carb experiments for a few weeks each, c.3-4(?) years into the diet. They were disastrous. At first, I would get a great feeling of enhanced concentration and energy-boosts, then, after  a period of 2-3 weeks get massive carb-cravings, after that period I would get increasing fatigue, feel extremely dehydrated(even though I kept on drinking lots of mineral-water), and my appetite would collapse so that I would have to struggle to force down a little raw animal food each day. By week 4 I'd have massive fatigue.

I vary my intake of plant-food so much, it's impossible to say how much I consume, these days. Some weeks, I'll have only 0-300g of blueberries, say, other times, I'll load up on the raw carbs(I make it a rule to go for raw carbs during certain gatherings, rather than eat cooked foods).

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Welcoming Committee / Re: OUR 100th MEMBER, SQUALL - WELCOME
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:20:23 pm »
Here's a relevant info-page on effective microorganisms:-

http://www.eminfo.info/

When I first started I was forced to age some raw organs for a day or two outside(wrapped in plastic), as my teeth were so loose from years on cooked diets/raw vegan diets that I was terrifed of losing them if I chewed meat that was too tough. Then, after 3 years, I got up the courage to try high-meat.

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Off Topic / Re: Happy Birthday, TylerDurden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:16:36 pm »
Cheers. I don't feel like 36, though, more like a 25-30 year old in terms of biological age.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: so glad to find this...
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:13:59 pm »
Quote from: seesawsemiology on September 12, 2008, 03:10:09 pm
what would marrow be considered? ???

Definitely an organ. Googling under "marrow organ" or "marrow organ-meat" should provide results.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Herings Law
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:11:28 pm »
I found it different - my skin healed first and then the rest(well, the stomach-pains disappeared immediately on going rawpalaeo, but they were primarily due to an inability to digest cooked animal food, rather than a damaged stomach, as such).

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General Discussion / Re: Tongue
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:08:56 pm »
According to Weston-Price, they point out that enzymes survive for c.30 minutes in the upper stomach(the upper stomach secretes no digestive juices), where they do their work on the raw food, before reaching the lower stomach and being destroyed:-

http://www.realmilk.com/enzyme.html

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Personals / Re: I want to meet a real, live RAF'er!
« on: September 11, 2008, 06:47:40 pm »
There are periodic "primal potlucks" held by primal-dieters around the US every so often. Most involve RAFers turning up to meet Aajonus for a workshop(80 dolars?) and/or a consultation(consultation=300 dollars). Some do not have Aajonus there and are free. To find out where Aajonus holds his meetings look at the primal diet subforum of this board where I post any general e-mails sent out by Aajonus to me, detailing where he's going next. Better still, contact him on optimal@earthlink.net for info on where future Primal gatherings  are held, as he may well attend many more smaller gatherings that I don't get e-mailed about. For Primal diet gatherings without Aajonus, your best bet is to find one of the forums on the wewant2live.com official website and ask there, or apply to join the primal diet (closed) yahoo group (you need to e-mail the owner at primal_diet.. - forget it, I'm already a member of the primal diet group and I'll ask there on your behalf. May take a few days for a reply.

Here's the thread on this board where I get regular updates re Aajonus' workshops:-
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/primal-diet/aajonus'-appearances-and-primal-potlucks/

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Welcoming Committee / Re: OUR 100th MEMBER, SQUALL - WELCOME
« on: September 11, 2008, 06:29:22 pm »
Welcome, Squall. if you have digestive issues you might consider going in for things like "EM" products in order to build up your bacteria and aid digestion. "High-meat" is also an option but you may want to leave that for later. You might also consider some extra digestive enzymes. They're not usually needed on a rawpalaeo diet, unsurprisingly, but some people have seriously compromised digestive systems, and some RPDers feel the need to take eznymes before the occasional meal of cooked-foods.

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General Discussion / Re: Unusual sensations with cooked or raw food after going rawpalaeo
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:40:22 am »
Quote from: Metallica on September 11, 2008, 04:26:39 am
i was raw for 1 year (including raw fish and eggs and bits of dairy)

after adding cooked foods into my diet ( at least 60-80% cooked foods) like beef, fish, greens, i noticed bigger gains in energy and i could function overall better..

this is just me and my experience though

when i try 100% raw i get to many cravings and start to feel dizzy... but this is common theres only a an extremely small percent of people who can remain 100% raw.

What I find amusing is that you cite the very raw foods that rawists typically do worse on(ie raw fish/raw eggs and raw dairy), yet you ignore the fact that there are plenty of people doing 99-100% raw , who have no health-problems as they eat mostly raw meats/organ-meats and a little raw plant-foods, and greatly minimise(or delete entirely) the dairy, eggs and fish. Come to think of it, there are even plenty of dairy-drinking Primal-Dieters in California and elsewhere in the States who've been doing 100% raw, without issues, for over a decade now(the Primal Diet is c.20 years old, now).

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General Discussion / Re: Whey PROTEIN
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:36:48 am »
Quote from: Metallica on September 11, 2008, 04:28:28 am
Way back in 420 B.C., Hippocrates, known as the ‘Father of Medicine’, recommended the health-boosting benefits of whey. In Europe during the Middle Ages, whey was touted as a health tonic. Fast forward to the 21st century, and we have scientists discovering an amazing array of healthful benefits from whey.
Snake-oil salesmen always use the past to justify their product. Just because Hippocrates endorsed it, doesn't mean it's any good, merely that it's better than modern junk-food, nothing more.

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General Discussion / Re: Ground BISON!!
« on: September 11, 2008, 03:41:54 am »
Quote from: lex_rooker on September 10, 2008, 12:50:33 pm
Sully,
You can't dehydrate fat.  It will just go rancid if you try it.  The cellular structure retains moisture and the fat quickly oxidizes (takes on excess electrons, also known as free radicals in bio speak) and this is not a good thing.  You can slow the process down from days to several months by freezing the fat, or you can render the fat at a temperature above the boiling point of water.  Rendering will release the pure fat from the cells and evaporate all the water.  Rendered fat will keep for years if it is in a sealed container, but the relatively high heat will damage some of the fat soluable vitamins like A and D just like any other cooking process.

If I had to choose between rendered grass-fed animal fat or a vegetable fat like coconut or olive oil, I'd choose the rendered animal fat hands down.  Even though rendered grass-fed animal fat has been heated and some nuritional damage has been done, it still has a far better lipid profile (omega3/omega6/omega9 ratios) which are the primary building blocks for our cells.

Lex

I've never put fat(suet) in a dehydrator, but I have let it dry by leaving it out or in the fridge for weeks. It becomes dry as sawdust(sometimes with a little green fungus on it), but it lasts forever.

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General Discussion / Re: Post Price / Cost of Raw Animal Foods in your locale and sources
« on: September 11, 2008, 01:05:52 am »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on September 10, 2008, 09:34:35 pm
Squid with eggs: 80 to 160 pesos per kilo

Tuna for sashimi: 250 to 320 pesos per kilo

Blue Marlin for sashimi: 300 to 340 pesos per kilo

Farmed Salmon imported from Norway: 440 per kilo

Labahita Fish, nice creamy taste raw: 90 to 160 per kilo

prices in Farmers Market Cubao or Marikina Market

You shouldn't really be buying the farmed salmon, IMO. Famred fish is notorious for containing canthaxanthin, a cancer-casuing food-dye(and the stuff they feed the fish is so foul, that the taste is revolting by compaarison to wildcaught salmon(a very rare find).

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General Discussion / Unusual sensations with cooked or raw food after going rawpalaeo
« on: September 10, 2008, 06:56:48 pm »
2-3 years after switching to rawpalaeo, I decided to do various experiments with dodgy foods like raw dairy etc. to test what my reaction was to them, after months/years of being rawpalaeo. When I tried eating any pastry, no matter how "organic" it was etc.,  I would find that it felt so dry in my throat that I had to usually swallow large gulps of water in order to move it down my gullet, either that or I'd start choking a little, until it finally, after ages, went down the whole way. Has anyone else experienced this? What about any other unusual sensations with various foods, raw or cooked?

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General Discussion / Re: Post Price / Cost of Raw Animal Foods in your locale and sources
« on: September 10, 2008, 05:21:26 pm »
Wild hare carcass= from £7 to £13 depending on which stall I buy it from - usually £10 because I buy lots.


Raw oysters=80p per wildcaught oyster(they're usually extra-large, and half of the oysters I get are actually two oysters joined together as one shell).

1 live lobster= £17 per lobster.


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General Discussion / Re: Post Price / Cost of Fruits in your locale and sources
« on: September 10, 2008, 05:12:39 pm »
I don't see the relevance of this topic, as everyone will have to use currency converters, plus every food-item will have a widely different price depending on the person's location, climate etc. etc. Still, I'll give a vague answer:-

organic blueberies=£1.50 to £1.99 for 150-250g(?)
organic raspberries= £2.49 per 150-250g.(?)

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Journals / Re: Karl Loren's Journal
« on: September 10, 2008, 05:10:30 pm »
His website was an absolute lifesaver for me, 7 years ago or so. At the time, as a last resort, I'd spent all my free time just Googling for raw meat diets for humans and only ever finding pages devoted to raw vegans or raw BARF diets for pets. After weeks of searching, I finally found his website and was able to find out which terms to look for (ie "Primal Diet", "Aajonus Vonderplanitz" etc.), so that a few other raw-meat diet-websites were finally discoverable by me.

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General Discussion / Info needed
« on: September 10, 2008, 04:17:05 am »
I'm still fighting a tough battle on wikipedia. Can anyone point me to any reliable online references re the following two matters:-

Raw meat has a higher energy-density than cooked-meats". I know that, technically, cooked-meat has higher calories due to loss of water-content, but that if one takes that into account, raw meat actually has a higher energy-density/calories than cooked.

Nutrition-loss caused by cooking. No rawist sites are acceptable to wikipedia, but anything else will do.

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