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Off Topic / Re: Teen's Strange Ramen Noodle Addiction
« on: April 13, 2013, 04:30:50 am »
I can't imagine how people can eat those, let alone live on them. The taste is absolutely horrible, besides the fact that they look like crap.

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 12, 2013, 03:48:05 am »
Remove the d at the end, this works:

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 11, 2013, 04:17:49 am »
Thanks PaleoPhil!

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 10, 2013, 05:59:58 am »
That's what I'm hoping for, that the gut of someone eating raw does not allow much growth of such bacteria, but it's a bit far-fetched idea. Especially since these bacteria grow very easily once l-carnitine increases in the diet (at least in the mice). Or another (far-fetched) idea is that our systems have better capacity to get rid of the TMAO. Anyway, I'm sure a lot more research will follow on this so we can continue talking with less speculation.

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 10, 2013, 04:51:22 am »
Not really, e.g. they gave l-carnitine to mice and they ended up with atherosclerotic plaque unlike controls, or mice given both l-carnitine and antibiotics. The research looks like it was very well done, leaving little room for remarks like "it's just a meaningless correlation".

Pure carnitine is not produced by heat but by other means (chemical processes, bacterial fermentation, etc.), resulting in really exactly these molecules, so we can't simply say it's different from l-carnitine in raw meat, nor can we blame the results on heated/processed food (except maybe for the human trials between vegans and omnivores who were given meat I think).

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 09, 2013, 11:29:02 pm »
The whole point Thoth was making was that the L-Carnitine is altered by the heat from cooking, much as proteins etc. are also altered by that process.
And you have a reference for this claim?

Hot Topics / Re: Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 09, 2013, 10:48:39 pm »
I'm just saying that we can't simply exclude the possibility of these bacteria producing TMAO when eating raw meat, because there's no evidence regarding this. L-carnitine is a molecule that should be same in cooked as well as in raw meat.. it's not some sort of new compound created specifically from heating. If a lot of it is regularly coming from diet it makes sense that the number of gut bacteria that thrives on it will be high (hence the difference between meat eaters and vegans in that study). Here are the amounts in some foods

Hot Topics / Molecule in meat may increase heart disease risk
« on: April 09, 2013, 05:45:38 pm »

This is somewhat alarming. Bacteria found specifically in meat-eaters metabolize L-carnitine into some nasty, artery-hardening compound.
I can't think of a reason that raw meat eaters would be immune to this, maybe some further research on the specific bacteria will give insight into that.

Off Topic / Re: amenorrhea
« on: April 07, 2013, 11:12:43 pm »
Don't know about that, but here's an example article:
Rather than having and adaptive basis in ecology or behavior, variation in the degree of menstrual bleeding in primates shows a striking correlation with phylogeny. The endometrial microvasculature is designed to provide the blood supply to the endometrium and the placenta, and external bleeding appears to be a side effect of endometrial regression that arises when there is too much blood and other tissue for complete reabsortion. The copious bleeding of humans and chimps can be attributed to the large size of the uterus relative to adult female size and to the design of the microvasculature in catarrhines.
My guess is that amount of blood decreases or goes to zero when there's lack of nutrients, whether it's calories, protein, etc., in order to conserve energy.

Off Topic / Re: amenorrhea
« on: April 07, 2013, 10:13:53 pm »
That sounds unlikely given that monkeys, orangutans, chimpanzees, are also losing blood?

Off Topic / Re: Beauty Recipes
« on: April 07, 2013, 04:35:42 pm »
Anyone knows of a natural fat-free solution for washing hair?

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 06, 2013, 02:50:40 am »
ys you're just wasting your time.. troll has his own ideas and interpretations of the world and there's no way anyone could ever prove to him different.

Water separation btw: aging meat also gets most water out of the meat -> aged meat is also very unhealthy just like frozen?

General Discussion / Re: once a month
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:57:45 pm »
Yeah I'll avoid replying to trollofthedungeon, typically it's just a waste of time for me and for him as well anyway.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 04, 2013, 04:09:13 am »
the kind of troll alp is
I'm internet troll because it turns out I don't agree with you?
You tell me to stop with my unscientific anecdotes, but then you get out with something like "if you need to have it spelled out check out this irrelevant article" when asked to provide scientific reference to support your claim: "dogs fed frozen meat develop this and that condition".

General Discussion / Re: once a month
« on: April 04, 2013, 02:05:52 am »
A more informative topic title would be better.

Off Topic / Re: amenorrhea
« on: April 04, 2013, 02:03:52 am »
I don't have experience, but from what I've read about other peoples experiences you need to ramp up your calories (something like bulking in bodybuilding language), and make sure to eat especially plenty of cholesterol.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:56:30 am »
please stop bringing your silly completely unscientific anecdotes into this. You feeding your dogs whatever you can find including raw cooked and frozen simply cannot prove anything since there are so many variables.
Ok, can you bring the scientific support then for your and Aajonus' claim? That freezing has any measurable impact on the health of dogs and humans (not that it changes food, this is pretty evident).

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:43:35 am »
I believe Aajonus re freezing mentions as I have seen other scientific data which showed that enzymes were slightly harmed by freezing etc.
The key is slightly, that it's not even worth debating it..

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:38:44 am »
I eat mainly frozen food and I don't notice any negative effects.
Same here; in fact I buy fresh, unfrozen meat and anyway freeze it myself out of convenience.

this comment is clearly the exact same thing and is not helping anybody. He is talking about how cooked foods are fine. He should go on the cooked paleo forum to talk that nonsense not here.

and please alp, since your dogs did so well on cooked food you should probably start eating some too.  ;)
Don't get me wrong, I didn't say they wouldn't be better off with raw meat, just that I have never observed such conditions in mine (or friends' dogs), and I told what we were feeding them. The fact that the food we would give to them would typically be both cooked and frozen makes the claim that just frozen but still raw meat causing issues seem way exaggerated.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 03, 2013, 03:15:42 pm »
Reading about dog food, I came across the raw food dog diet
The Food and Drug Administration of the United States states that they do not advocate a raw diet but recommends owners who insist on feeding raw to follow basic hygienic guidelines for handling raw meat to minimize risk to animal and human health.

Many commercial raw pet food manufacturers now utilize a process called High Pressure Pasteurization (HPP) that is a unique process that kills pathogenic bacteria through high-pressure, water-based technology. High Pressure Pasteurization is a USDA-approved, and is allowed for use on organic and natural products.

Raw foods produced for dogs and sold in pet stores are commercially safer than raw meats purchased in grocery stores. The acceptable level of bacteria in meats sold at grocery stores is relatively high because it is meant to be cooked. The acceptable level of bacteria in produced raw foods for dogs is relatively low because it is meant to be fed raw.
So funny how they are against feeding raw food to dogs just because of fear for too much bacteria :) I can't imagine the public ever accepting raw paleo diet when they don't accept it even for dogs..
We're so offtopic btw.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How to eat raw steak?
« on: April 03, 2013, 03:31:50 am »
WHen aajonus fed one group of dogs raw meat and the other group previously frozen raw meat (the same meat) the frozen group of dogs started get various problems such as mange and skin rashes over time. All problems went away as soon as he put them back on unfrozen.
Wow. I've had so many dogs and fed them with whatever leftovers we had (food frozen and cooked, double damage!), and they lived just fine to old age without any such problems. How come?

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: young powerlifter
« on: March 30, 2013, 05:39:07 pm »
Ok, if someone has "bad" genes but has been treated like a king (according to your definition, no vaccines, no makeup, aajonus diet, etc.), would he come to better results than someone with "great" genes but has been "damaged" early in life by "biological weapons"? They have both been dedicated and trained as intensively as they could.

And yes, a child losing his legs can still compete in paralympics etc. Unless you're completely paralyzed, there are still ways to show your athleticism.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: How to start
« on: March 30, 2013, 05:24:35 pm »
What makes you think that? Do you know many people eating that way and taking into account (as they should) the fact that modern heavily selected fruits can be eaten in too large amounts? Of course, “instincto” cannot work perfectly with intensely selected modern foods. To work perfectly, we should be in our primitive environment, which is lost, and eat only wild foods.

I fail to see why "instincto" could not work with modern "heavily selected" fruits. Your instinctive stop should in theory come depending on various factors, including amount of sugar, fat, and other nutrients. So if you eat modern, more sugary fruits, you will simply eat less (e.g. one modern apple instead of two wild ones), as long as you eat slowly and pay attention to your senses and reactions. You can not eat too much sugar, unless you're either consuming cooked food/dairy (which can skew your senses) or you ignore your instincts.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: How to start
« on: March 30, 2013, 03:21:06 am »
If instincto worked perfectly, then people eating that way wouldn't commonly overeat sweet fruit, and undereat animal fats.
Why exactly is that a problem? Do you think that our instincts for sweet fruit (or animal fats) are flawed?

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: young powerlifter
« on: March 30, 2013, 03:04:59 am »
That "damage" early in life has greater effect on your athletic potential than your genes..
How about checking the olympic medalists, and whether their moms did anything different than the mothers of normal people? Did the mom of this guy did anything special?
And makeup, vaccines, are you serious? Are you saying that top athletes and powerlifters didn't get vaccines? And that they ate something particularly different from SAD? Just don't come out saying they had great genes which made up for the "damage"!

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