He doesn't bother me at all. Its not worth wasting time even trying to argue with him. He won't change. He is a good example of how someone can remain in decent shape with a low and poor quality protein diet for quite some time.

DJR, appreciate the props on my dry humor

KD, Amazing post. I never thought of working at a blood drive. Maybe I'll try it out this summer.

Speaking of said summer, I'm thinking of going some place outside the US for a month or so to a country where fresh meat is easily available. I'm thinking southeast Asia, maybe the phillipines as Goodsamaratin's posts seem to indicate his country is quite raw paleo friendly. Any other suggestions?

I still feel pretty decent even with quite a bit of the cooked garbage. I'm also feeling quite strong, with results at the gym improving. Part of this is probably directly related to weight gain which I think is related to improved uptake of nutrition. I deadlifted 435 and pressed 155x4, both personal bests. My press has been stalled for months now, so this is really nice to see. My weight is varying quite a bit with the feasting and random fasting, was a pound short of 200 at the gym.

I think I've noticed a connection - that no matter how much I eat, I will still have a desire to consume raw fat and it seems that it is only raw fat that will eventually get rid of my cravings. And its usually the raw hard fat that does the trick.

I gave myself a saline-filled enema and was only able to hold it in for 30s or so. I'm up to 6 drops of iodine (13mg) and can't notice a difference.

I got the one pound bag here - http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/clay/clay.html  I have no idea whether its a good product.

I've only tried it a few times and haven't noticed anything. I think my poo was slightly green after one of the drinks but nothing else. I also have this urge to eat dirt, not necessarily clay. Dirt like potting soil sounds good now for some reason. Maybe with some bugs too, like rollie pollies.

Got some thymus which I haven't yet eaten at http://www.greenzabiha.com/

I've been eating them for a couple months now from a local farm that I trust. I notice nothing from taking them and eat up to ten at a time and probably average 4-6 a day. I think I might have felt slightly bad the first few times I ate them but this feeling has gone away or was just a figment of my imagination. Supposedly they are good for cleansing the liver. Hell if I know.

I think an important fact about the zombie diet is that its all draped in blood just like the fresh meat would have been in paleolithic times. If we truly were apex hunters then I would have assumed we would have adapted to needing to get at least part of our nutrition from the blood which is noticeably absent in all the meat that I consume and perhaps the reason why so many people have magnesium, salt, iodine, etc.. deficiencies and a possible reason why it could be important to supplement with these for life. But, I have no clue as to how much blood is consumed after a freshly slaughtered animal today or how much nutrition is in such blood. Zombies have no ego either, which further points to more brain consumption.

I rigged my bowel movement statement so that it almost necessarily has to be true. Perhaps you can step in again with first hand info. Having easy eliminations does not necessarily translate into good eliminations. Many of bowel movements are easy and relatively free of effort, just not well formed (again, whatever that is) which I think usually points to something going wrong - I can't imagine a case where a faulty elimination does not at least hint at malfunction even if it is just dietary transition.


Theres a really cool vid below of a white man eating a reindeer with plenty of blood.
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/general-discussion/man-eating-raw-raindeer-liver-and-blood-straight-after-the-kill/

Why not create a thread where you two can argue all you want against each other?  I agree, thats its pretty tiresome to see the exact same arguments about pemmican appear between you two in nearly every thread that gets long enough. Maybe we can vote on a winner and the loser has to sit out from the forum for some time period - like a week or whatever.

I can't tell if I would prefer an afterlife consisting of a series of perfectly executed bowel movements or continuous sex with women of my choice.

As long as I'm having decent bowel movements, which is the key to life, and going to bed on time I'm feeling pretty good.

Alpha, the only real point I was attempting to make was that even though these amino acids succumb to all sorts of the nasties from heat, there still are populations that do well on a diet that consists of nearly every single amino acid being heated. An outsider that read what you just wrote that knew nothing about diets would probably believe a cooked zero-carb diet to be one of the worst diets possible, yet many are thriving on such a diet.

I've even see some people claim that digestion has improved with the more well-done the meat is. Steffanson did his year long meat trial with well done meats, I think and faired well. Obviously there are many explanations for this and its all relative to millenia of cooked diets but the fact is that the body must be decently good at processing theses disturbed proteins.

It would be interesting to see how much overall nitrogen excretion would differ between completely raw and cooked diet. If it were about the same, then would this imply that the body does eventually utilize every single amino acid in the same manner as a raw diet? I'm thinking the body simply has to work extra hard to deal with these disturbance but eventually fixes the problem and makes the amino acid 'usable'.

I see raw foods as more of a way of prolonging body function in old age. If it really were vastly superior we would have already seen a dramatic shift in areas where money is involved like professional sports - namely weightlifting, bodybuilding, etc.. but we don't. The body does tremendously well the first few decades on pretty much any diet, even those where nearly 100% of the amino acids have heat applied to them, it just seems to wear out faster.

I've got this huge chunk of ground suet sitting on a rack on my fridge for two weeks now. Tastes the same as it did two weeks ago.

Haven't heard of this method, but my anxiety book explains that people during panic attacks are exhaling more CO2 than normal and a quick fix to this is to breath into a paper bag which retrieves some of the excess CO2 expelled.

Yup, both were me. I'm glad they were both useful leads for you.

Ha, I used "I think" in my last response because now I have an excuse to buy actual raw honey, where as before I wasn't so sure that I could find truly raw honey. On that note, I finished all the wee bee and almost all of the other "raw" brand, about 800 grams worth in 2 days, so honey is probably way too addictive for me. I also noticed that my throat got the slightest bit soar when swallowing the 4th or 5th spoonful worth of the liquid honey. It felt like I got congested too, but I had significant mucous the whole last couple days as well, but the soreness in the throat was real. It didn't stop me from eating more obviously.

PP, Thanks, I did not understand that those forum rules were in place, and was upset because I thought someone was attacking my logic. And when someone attacks my logic, I get furious because obviously I am the chosen one of this universe and unquestionably correct. I would have preferred if someone had flat out said this is against forum rules.

With that said, some of the best advice I have ever received came from people who criticized me in ways that completely lacked compassion. Just because someone gets their point across in a sub-optimal way, does not make their underlying argument any less valid. Even bad advice usually hints at the truth.

I used to get that exact same headache until I went rzc, then it moved to just above starboard ear (the one that's supposed to turn green from eating pemmican).

The headache I got was much worse than any head pain I've had these last few months, though I have had several more minor headaches every week now. I can't handle rzc for now, but will try it again if I see my digestion improve.

quick notes

- I've had some relatively good bowel movements, that are now sinking as opposed to floating
- going to be taking apple cider vinegar with a cup of water at least once a day
- still occasionally taking some french green clay in water in the mornings
- have been eating more salt lately, though not with every meal
- took 8 HCL pills with no burn after a pretty large goat heart meal
- had one of my better days at school yesterday, though still had a few moments where energy was depleted
- I've slept on the floor the last couple nights - I've seen evidence that mattresses provide instant comfort but not necessarily long term relief (i.e. another drug)
- I showed the girl I'm seeing a hunk of drying meat in my fridge, took a bite, and she responded with "wow, thats hot"
- I have not shampooed in 5 months, but will make some out of ACV
- been walking around almost entirely barefoot, even at school, the kids think I'm weird
- I ate a rotting goats heart at school by gripping it like I had just ripped it out of the goat's chest mortal kombat style
- eating at least 4 yolks plus citrus (mainly for taste) most nights
- pressing strength went up a bit with 150x3. I feel stronger too.
- weight was 195 so I didn't reach my goal of 200

Ha, cool. Yea, I meant to say thanks for the tip, I think. Also, thanks for the tip on the Twin Labs Betaine HCL, it seems to be working much better than the country life version that seemed to give me this funky aftertaste as well as weird smelling breath.

Another note - I had a huge pounding headache right at the lower right base of my skull that lasted for several hours late at night. I also was congested, and still am, far more than I have been these past 4 months and my voice was a bit hoarse. All the extra cooked carbs this past week probably hasn't helped. I don't think I've ever been as sick as long as I've stayed off of heavy carb intake. And I think I felt a very dulll something around my upper right abdomen, but I have no idea as to whether this is random noise or if my gall bladder/liver is awakening because of these flushes.