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Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 14, 2010, 07:57:22 am »
Last two days have been best of summer so far. I finally decided not to visit this forum and set myself a to-do list and made sure to start as soon as I awoke. I feel like I managed to do as much in these two days that I had in the 6 weeks I have been home.

I am seriously thinking about teaching english in vietnam for a year starting late august or september. I am trying to weigh whether this is truly best for me. I really want to just jump into it as it feels so right.

I found some "fertile" eggs at whole foods which I promptly bought and ate immediately. Still ate just the yolk. They seemed to digest just fine. I've done castor oil packs on my liver/gallbladder the last couple days with no noticeable difference. Still, they are nice in that you cannot do anything but relax. Averaging 1-2 dozen yolks with a bit of lime and random teaspoons of honey throughout the day with some raw beef mixed in as well.

Got a quote on amalgam fillings removal. 350-600 for small fillings and 1200-1500 for the large. I think I might just call around until I something much cheaper, though theres only a couple in my area. I can make a trip out of it if need be. I've seen other people report getting their fillings done for much less.

Strength seems fine. Did a "bootcamp" workout with one of my friends yesterday and then lifted a bit today. Definitely need to increase my work capacity. I have decent limit strength but barely any endurance. Deadlifted 315x5 no problem. Still barefoot and doing quite a bit of stretching and dynamic warm-up type stuff as well as walking as much as I can barefoot. Still a long way away mentally and definitely depressed but better.

Oh, yes, I looooove entertaining sex stories!  -d

I came.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Squat Motivation Thread
« on: July 12, 2010, 01:45:10 am »
My squatting has progressed nicely the last couple months - surely to do with my subconscious reminding me of this thread. I held a good squat for 3-5 minutes and could have gone longer if I wasn't so bored. Just a few weeks ago I had trouble even getting in the position for more than a few seconds. I have been lifting (squatting and deadlifting) barefoot and stretching my calves in an AIS (Active Isolated Stretching - holding a stretch for 2 seconds releasing and repeating for reps) manner as well as concentrating on landing on my forefoot when walking barefoot outside. Its still not comfortable but tolerable. Maybe its completely the fact that I am getting more skilled at squatting (learning balance, foot positioning, etc..) and nothing to do with the above but I doubt it.

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 12, 2010, 01:35:02 am »
More good news - I was able to squat barefoot for the longest period of time yet - in the 3-5 minute range without too much pain. I could barely balance myself just a few weeks ago. I still cannot completely relax but could have probably gone longer and might think about squatting together with either reading, watching tv or meditating with a mandala (which I recently just started doing).

I found a good article on becoming a "frontfoot dominant athlete" in which barefoot training is recommended.

Also just completed a coffee enema and got a good amount of gunk out and feel quite at peace right now.

Also, I have been sleeping on a carpeted floor about the last ten days - which is the longest streak of floor sleeping I have put together. Its been my intention to experiment with this but I could never make it a routine. Its been a struggle to fall asleep on my back - its just so hard breaking the pattern of sleeping on my side or even my stomach. I don't think its possible for me to sleep an entire night on the floor in any other position other than my back. My arms and legs fall asleep and go numb within a couple hours. I can't tell whats been happening to me at night this last week and a half but I think I am still in an adjustment period not getting full restorative sleep. I think I keep waking up a few times at night, just am not consciously aware of it. Last night was a bit odd. I could not tell if I was dreaming or awake at one point. I kept trying to wake up and move around but I could not. It wasn't a pleasant feeling. From what I've read it takes several weeks to fully adapt to the floor (I keep using less and less pillow - this might make a huge difference).

Heres a good article with more info -

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 11, 2010, 04:12:56 pm »
K, If the above is working for you, then perhaps I should share some of my hilariously entertaining stories of sexual inadequacy.

KD, I agree doing joyful things is good. I would like to do as many as possible within the limits of my recovery. Sex is surely one of these things. I do like the act just as much as anyone and don't have much if any fear when performing. I usually try and have sex for as long a time as possible, just can't get myself to do it. Though I have done no formal visualizations or meditations or positive self-talk beforehand and certainly no formal tantric stuff, so these preparations would probably help. Yea, working on pleasing the other person is something I do a lot of - not necessarily because I'm cool like that just so that the ordeal can last longer.

Yes dunking was cool. I really felt like I was lifting off nicely. If I can lose a bit of weight and gain a bit of strength then hopefully I'll be able to dunk on 10' goal pretty soon. I did some moderately heavy deadlifts barefoot for the first time and now have some soreness at the front part of my shins, which is definitely a new type of soreness I have not experienced before. I have also tried to walk barefoot properly. I still get lazy if I am not paying attention and land on my heels. Its hard for me to go more than a half a minute walking proper barefoot which utilizes much more of my calves. I've wondered now for a while if I've had really weak calves - them and my wrists are the only muscles that are still relatively small in size.

The sore calves from deadlifts and the difficulty walking properly barefoot lead me to believe that I indeed have weak calves. I think its possible that modern weightlifting shoes that significantly lift the calves are doing a pretty big disservice for those that want to gain calf strength. The muscle is shortened and eliminates the need for its use. I definitely keep experimenting lifting without shoes - hopefully this brings my calf strength right up where it needs to be to be able to sustain barefoot walking and eventually running long distances.

This is starting to make more sense to me right now - I've heard quite a few people say that calf-size is just genetic and that even doing heavy squats and deadlifts and olylifts will not make much of an improvement for calf-size (though strength should probably improve). I wonder if this is all connected to lifting with shoes and walking with shoes. I've been a lazy walker and huge heel striker my whole life. Well, I am excited about this new possibility of getting some strength and size in my calves (if you couldn't tell already...) which could even further add to my vertical.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Squat Motivation Thread
« on: July 11, 2010, 11:30:48 am »
Hmm, how'd you do that?

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 11, 2010, 06:47:59 am »
I think tantric sex, for me, will only be realizable once my depression has been lifted (and unfortunately not the other way around). I have absolutely no chance right now of sustaining an erection for anywhere near 3 hours. In fact, I'd guess that well over 90% of the time I can only remain erect for less than 10 minutes. I am pretty terrible at sex - always have been. I get tired very easily - I don't see how people can keep thrusting for more than a minute or two at a time. I certainly can't without taking a breather and then when I do take a breather I lose sensation and the erection ceases. Even if I don't get tired I get the urge to finish very quickly nearly every time. Alcohol actually cures a decent amount of this leading me to believe that once my depression is lifted I can preform sex (and most other human actions) adequately.

I've tried numerous little mental tricks to last longer, but who the hell likes doing math or thinking of dead people during sex. It's just difficult to relax and enjoy the person I'm with. I'm actually confident that I will be able to work through the things that are keeping me depressed with what I am doing now. Antidepressants (which I am currently not taking) have also helped out quite a bit with sexual performance.

So to sum it up - tantric sex is likely to be a useful tool for me in my recovery but is too advanced for me to partake in now. For instance, I am still learning to assert myself positively to those around me, learning to say no, overcoming phobias of talking to authority, etc... And, thank you for the idea.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Fixing narrow palates and cranial deformities
« on: July 09, 2010, 10:01:43 pm »
I wonder if all species are somewhat maladapted to the current environment since the earth has warmed substantially in the last 10k years. With some species such as the panda having the worst of it though lucky enough to find an ecological niche to survive. Perhaps their diet included more meat when it was colder(?) Other species such as humans clearly took a wrong turn once the megafauna died out and became addicted to grain. I wonder if the great cats would be better fed and would not have the teeth issues if the larger game with more fat reserves were around. Isn't it true that the animals like the mammoth (and elephant) are a higher percentage of fat than the other African deer-type species? Also, I would assume the colder weather would likely necessitate a larger amount of body fat for all animals, especially in the winter.

The same thing kind of thinking can be applied to all species since the earth has (I believe) been cooler than it is now for a much higher percentage of the time. Perhaps frugivorous primates did not have the selection of fruit they do now and suffer some mild consequences with some cavities that they would not have been exposed to in the past.

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 09, 2010, 11:56:30 am »
I pretty much fasted the entire day until just now almost on accident, just never really got hungry. I think I am becoming better at controlling my honey consumption. It definitely does not taste anywhere near as good as it did a couple months ago where I would eat up to a few hundred grams at time and couldn't keep a jar more than a couple days. I now have 4 different brands of honey, each of which I've had for several weeks. I think I nearly finished an entire jar on the way home from the market once I was that addicted. Although it did momentarily increase my hunger in the morning when I had a teaspoon or two, the hunger went away fairly quick.

I had a small (400 grams) shank steak with a bit of honey because it seemed like the right thing to do, though I was not really that hungry. I have given up fruits the last few days which are unbelievably addictive to me. I can't stop eating them and never got the point where I wanted to stop and always had to consciously stop my intake. At least with honey now, I am getting some kind of stop.

No yolks today but will get right back on it tomorrow. Also have done several more coffee enemas, I still feel pretty stopped up. Also had some fully intact corn (when I cheated last night having dinner with a friend) in my stool half a day later. I can't say the enemas are doing much more than the warm water or saline variety but they are getting a good bit of gunk out and I feel slightly better afterward. I might look into an actual bowel cleansing system in the next few months if this yolk and liver flushing routine does not get the job done.

I also got to play some basketball and dunked from a run on a 9'10" goal. It wasn't a very clean dunk but it counts and gives me some confidence that my vertical has gone up a bit. I couldn't dunk on the same goal a year ago when I was a drunk. I was also easily out jumping nearly everyone so that was nice but my on-court stamina sucks and it hurt to breathe after my first game. Still loads of fun and was excited that I got out the house and did something. Still depressed but am working everyday to get better. Reading, breathing deeply and using the coping skills are a tremendous help as always. I'm still stuck in my head much of the day and have these absurd scenarios replaying in my head over and over again. I've found that at least in the car when I'm listening to music that attempting to freestyle flow is helping my mind stay away from these horrible thoughts. Its pretty fun and ridiculous hearing what comes to mind but it forces me to think on my toes and not worry about stuff that will never even make it to reality.

I've pretty much given up on the starches as well - they never really sat that well with me. If I really crave one I'll go ahead and eat one but the moderate amounts of honey seem to be ok for now as far as satisfying any carb cravings. This is very likely to change but things are looking good.

Hot Topics / Re: My vegan friend showed me this, - more DR bullshit
« on: July 08, 2010, 11:25:13 pm »
That video is full of idealistic vegan nonsense. If you're interested in an intelligent discussion about Eskimo osteoporosis, and acid vs base load, take a look at:

Thank you for posting this - its an incredible series and the most in-depth look at the inuit diet I have ever seen. I did not realize the extent of the possible bone-health issues that the Inuit had or the extent that the vegetable matter played in their diets.

Also, this is highly suggestive of eating green leafy vegetables, especially as an addition to diet primarily carnivorous in nature.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: marrow calorie content
« on: July 07, 2010, 02:05:49 am »
No, marrow is a mix of fat, protein and water and from what I know can change pretty drastically according to type of animal, what part of the bone( higher up towards body is denser with more saturated fat and the opposite towards the other end) and what season it is.

I have written about this extensively previously so do some searching - cordain wrote a great paper where he analyzed the types of fat in different species of african herbivores. From his study bone marrow was 51% fat, 7% protein and the rest water but like I said this can change quite substantially. The USDA somehow has measure caribou marrow of all animals and has 84% fat and 7% protein.

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 06, 2010, 11:14:04 am »

Number of yolks I have eaten the previous 4 days beginning with today. I'm still confused as to what my carbohydrate consumption should be or when I should eat them - as far away from the eggs as possible sounds right. I have felt slightly uneasy a bit after consuming my egg and lime mixture a few times, but nothing too bad. Today I felt something spasming in my gallbladder/liver area. There is a liver flush mixture that is just a couple yolks with a few limes and a teaspoon of oil that has supposedly worked for a few people - so my mixture itself is basically a liver flush and is quite a rush of liquid fat so this could be the reason for the spasming.

Hot Topics / Re: Instincto Debunking Thread
« on: July 06, 2010, 10:59:07 am »
For, as far as I know, all your previous explanations failed to convince anyone, just as your regular reluctance to “repeat what already said”. To reiterate over and over again incomprehensible explanations could evidently not push the debate forward.

Did you all want us to jump in and say yes we agree with Alphagruis? His explanations this last week were quit remarkable to me (though I did not comment on them, but am now) and further pushed me away from instincto. And to assume that since nobody voluntarily made their approval of his remarks known in thread meant that his remarks were "impenetrable" seems to me like an excuse as to not address his remarks or at least concede some points at some level.

Another issue I have with instincto is that say we have one person who is on a ketogenic diet (very high fat low protein, token amounts of carbs). Their body would be burning fat very efficiently and many people have reported that they crave fat when following such a diet. I noticed this as well when I was high fat. Would someone following a ketogenic diet ever have their instincts take over so that it reverses to a very high vegetation diet like the optimal instincto diet you touched on.

I think the initial conditions for starting instincto will lead you to the extremes, either very high fat or very high carb intake, the latter of which you have found yourself in. This actually makes so much sense to me now - its just a simple problem of gravitating to a diet which your body will feel the need to get the most energy from. The tipping point is just very heavily in favor of carbohydrate consumption as we are very much addicted to sweet fruits. Say as a guess that all diets with initial carb intake of 10% or more will lead to an instincto diet with your very high vegetation diet and diets less than 10% carbs will lead to an instincto diet with very high fat consumption. 

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Explain INstincto Diet Fully #2
« on: July 05, 2010, 09:31:30 am »
Do you think its possible that since man has such a taste for cooked foods that cooked foods do provide us with energy more rapidly although though perhaps not as fully absorbed? As in one study I found where fecal nitrogen waste was significantly greater for the diet higher in malliard products - suggesting to me that cooked protein is turned into energy more rapidly but with more waste.

There must be a reason why cooked foods taste good - i can think of plenty more reasons but was specifically wondering about the above.

Hot Topics / Re: Insulin spikes do NOT cause insulin resistance??
« on: July 05, 2010, 08:52:50 am »
Whats interesting about low-carb and especially zero-carb diets is that from many of the people who have taken time to measure their blood glucose levels (Lex obviously being the greatest example) have reported for the most part fasted bg levels around 100 mg/dl which is higher than the 85-90 level which is supposedly the standard for a healthy western dieter. Lex has gone into great detail in his journal about what he thinks is happening to his bg levels for different levels of his fat/protein diet. IIRC, when he was eating a 'normal' (as compared to his high-fat experiment) fat/protein mix, 100 mg/dl is around the level of glucose in the blood where insulin begins to get released and starts to store glucose out of the blood. His bg never really varied much more than 10 points in either direction.

So, whats interesting is that since cancer necessarily feeds on sugar, it is possible that a zero-carb diet promotes cancer more so than an American heart association diet for those who able to keep their fasting bg in a normal range. Obviously, things are much more complicated than this but still it is likely that low-carbers do have total blood glucose levels (calculated from area under the curve) at higher levels than other dieters.

What was also very interesting of note with Lex's experiments was when he experimented with a higher fat percentage (and I believe lower protein amounts). His blood glucose levels began to exhibit a more normal patter - they fell before meals and were slightly elevated after and during the fasted state were lower than 100.

What I can guess from the above is that its possible that since all excess protein is eventually converted to glucose that those who intake extra protein will have have trouble getting blood glucose levels to more normal ranges. This could have been the reason that Lex's bg levels remained high. There was always a supply of amino acids that were more than what the body needed for repair and thus were converted to glucose in at a fairly regular interval and slow enough so that bg levels were so constant and barely varied.  

Basically what I am saying is that its possible that any diet with excess protein will always keep bg levels slightly elevated, since storing protein is hardest on the body and most taxing - It uses the most calories to process protein (thermal effect of food). Also Lex has lowered his protein intake to about 90g per day and has fasting bg levels around 90 last I checked.

Anyways this is just lots of random guessing but I tend to want to believe that lower fasting bg levels are optimal and that chronically elevated bg could be potentially dangerous in the long run. It would interesting to see what fasting bg levels are for those who eat lots of carbs and lots of protein - like athletes or bodybuilders. Is it ever possible to have normal bg levels with a high protein intake?

I also want to assume that since protein conversion to energy is metabolically expensive that the body never 'wants' to make this conversion and must decide whether its better to keep the amino acids in the blood or convert them. Perhaps once the body deems excess amino acids in the blood to be interrupting other processes it makes the conversion.

Hot Topics / Re: Insulin spikes do NOT cause insulin resistance??
« on: July 05, 2010, 04:27:06 am »
Pioneer - otto warburg

Off Topic / Re: Brains
« on: July 04, 2010, 09:50:02 pm »
Brains have very low carbohydrate content ~ 1 percent by weight.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Fixing narrow palates and cranial deformities
« on: July 04, 2010, 07:53:38 am »
Teeth wearing is a result of literal physical wearing of the teeth and has nothing to do with dental or oral pathologies like caries and gum disease.

Yes and perhaps this is obvious to everyone else, but I find it interesting that diet does not protect them from succumbing to non-functional teeth. Seems like we will die unfortunately.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Fixing narrow palates and cranial deformities
« on: July 04, 2010, 02:57:03 am »
It would make sense to me that wild carnivores, while not suffering dental caries (as far as I know, at least not to the level of chimps) have teeth that have problems like many other animals (perhaps all) as they age. I know that their teeth systematically wear away to the point that they cannot chew their meat and eventually starve.

Journals / Re: Sully's Journal
« on: July 03, 2010, 08:53:57 am »
Your thumb lunula is a bit low

Seriously though, good shit

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A Few Questions
« on: July 03, 2010, 08:50:02 am »

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: July 03, 2010, 03:47:10 am »
Still haven't fully committed to yolk diet, averaging less than a dozen a day. I've had a couple days of low protein intake ~ around 30g. Yesterday I nearly fasted the entire day, which is not really my goal again but I wasn't really craving anything since the yolks aren't really that appetizing. I went to go lift this morning and felt pretty good before going and was planning on overhead pressing 80 pound dbs for a set of 5 since I got 3 last time. I couldn't get 1 today so my strength definitely went down. There are of course many factors but the low protein is likely the biggest culprit. I came home and immediately gobbled up a dozen yolks (30g protein). Waited half an hour and then had 3 small potatoes with butter and immediately passed out. Perhaps I should have waited longer.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Splain this to me Lucy
« on: July 03, 2010, 03:36:39 am »
Lol, how is this fat on us prior to engaging in cow fat more pristine than the fat we are about to eat?

Ask yourself how we got the fat on our bodies in the first place.

With your logic we should never eat.

Hot Topics / Re: Insulin spikes do NOT cause insulin resistance??
« on: July 03, 2010, 03:27:02 am »
I've read quite a bit of Matt Stone the past few months and skimmed through his free e-book. I haven't seen anyone else mention his name on this forum so there might not be a lot of discussion here.

I'll give you my overall view of him first - He's a good storyteller who isn't afraid make very bold statements that don't give you the full or accurate picture of what is really going on. I'll give him credit for experimenting with a large variety of ways to eat, but he unfairly bashes certain diets (low-carb being the main one). Very clearly there are multitudes of people (I have read literally hundreds of journals) that are having enormous success with low-carb and more importantly there are many indigenous cultures (masai, samburu, islanders of tokleau, inuits, nenet, mongolians, plains indians and many others) around the globe who have fared very well for thousands of years low-carbing.

His "solution" to all your problems is to raise your metabolism, which is similar to saying that you must keep breathing to keep you alive. Yes, increasing body temperature is important and this is a probably a good indicator of health, which has not been really discussed much by other paleo/low-carb heroes. I like that he has his own unique way of curing poor health, basically eat all the non-refined sugar, non-omega 6, non-fructose sources you want and make sure you eat any time you are thinking of food. Do this until your morning body temperature is above 98 degrees and weight has stabilized. During this time make sure you rest as much as possible - sleep well, get out in the sun, do not exercise. Many people have had success with this approach, though it is all very short term - just a few months. I think Stone himself has barely been eating this way for a year and even in this time frame he has experimented about.

I think his solution might have some merit and his long term diet doesn't really differ that much than paleo. Eat what you like but keep stay away from certain foods. No need to count fat or carbs. I think its a no brainer that a high calorie diet will increase body temperature. Your body is trying very hard to burn through all the excess calories and I'm not sure how much actual healing is taking place. It could be just another temporary solution to the problem. Even Matt's body temperature dropped the last few months though he gets away with this by saying he was eating lots of sugar and what not.

In the end, I think the overeating solution is merely temporary just like he claims those that have the carb honeymoon. Its the same thing happening here.

Also, he has disturbingly bad logical miscues that I see him repeat over and over again. One of his more famous lines of thought is that since human breast milk has quit a bit of carbs in it then humans are clearly meant to consume lots of carbs. The trouble with this is that carnivorous mammal milk also has a decent chunk of carbs in it but they consume nearly zero carbs once adults. Cows milk also has loads of fat but their diet of grass has no fat in it so clearly looking at breast milk as a indicator of macronutrient profile for adults is a mistake. I see errors of reasoning like this nearly all the time.

Now it seems I am down on Stone but this is not true. I really appreciate his alternate views and have somewhat tried out his high everything diet myself. Low-carb failed me as well and I think that there is much more behind the problem than just macronutrient ratios that cause those who initialy do well with low-carb to fail long term. Biliary insufficiency, mercury poisoning, other toxins and of course whether the food is cooked and from pastured sources can make huge differences and very few of the paleo crowd ever really touch these issues. Also, too much protein might be an issue.

Since this is a discussion forum, so you don't have to command people to discuss in the future.

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:32:10 am »
Had 18 egg yolks with 3 limes in the afternoon and then a sweet potato and part of a boniato (a sweet type of potato) at dinner.

I don't seem to be binging on the potatoes though this could just be because once I run out I must wait a long while to cook more up if I'm still hungry and then my hunger usually passes if its still around if I just avoid eating.

The stricter I am with my diet, the easier it seems to follow - again, an all or nothing crusader I am, but hopefully as my depression and anxieties lessen I will be able to find a middle road with these type of things. Doing raw zero carb was actually pretty easy the beginning of the year once I got into it. It was adding that small amount of carbs that quickly blew open the carb floodgates (and my stopped bowels).

I have lost a few pounds after stabilizing right around 195 eating just about as much I could the last couple months.

I seem to be noticing more things going on during digestion with this yolk experimentation. Not necessarily with the yolks but when eating potatoes I notice them in my stomach pretty quickly after eating which is something that I was never really that good at detecting before. Its not a bad feeling, I just feel something there.

I have not been strict with the yolks and starch (which I'm fine with) and at the monastery where the monks are essentially vegetarian (though they scarf down any and all sweets - cakes, cookies, whatever... which is ironic because there isn't as much self control as there is  when limiting these things) and lots of other vegetation, which could of been responsible for my fruit binge the other night.

It seems the only thing that stops my sugar craving is zero-carb but again perhaps this is a mental insufficiency that is influencing my cravings as I have noted previously that when my mind is together I can generally control my cravings better.

My bowels are moving regularly but not at all solid, but at least I'm not shooting blanks anymore.

Also, I lifted barefoot for the first time today and did some squatting and held 315 on my back in a deep squat for a few seconds (felt like an eternity). This isn't that interesting but when I put my shoes back on (after lifting without them for an hour) I felt like I was walking with bricks as shoes. I put shoes on all the time after being barefoot all day and never feel that big of a difference so perhaps the squatting barefoot with some weight helped in some respect. I will try and lift barefoot all the time now.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Squat Motivation Thread
« on: June 29, 2010, 08:27:49 pm »
I wrote a pretty detailed description on how to perform an olympic squat -

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