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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 30, 2011, 08:03:35 pm »
Yesterday I had good energy and my mood was elevated. I ate 2 big kefir grains around noon. They were left over from making raw milk kefir and I could not find anyone to take them so I just rinsed them off and ate them. For my evening meal I ate 1 lb. of yellowfin tuna, 2 chicken eggs, then a dozen raw oysters a few hours later.  I also spent an hour at the beach in the sun, but was driven off by biting flies in the end. I did not have a bowel movement. I feel like I am getting pretty used to eating one meal a day. The only reason for the spacing in my eating yesterday is that it took me a long time to get the oysters all opened. Last night I ate only when I started getting hungry (around 6pm), whereas the last four days I noticed hunger creeping in earlier in the day (usually around 3pm) and I was really hungry by the time I ate (between 6pm and 8pm). Perhaps my body is learning to use the food I am giving it to last longer, so it no longer "expects" to get more food earlier in the day.

Yellowfin tuna is 92% protein and 8% fat:

Eggs are 35% protein, 63% fat and 2% carbs:

Oysters are 44% protein, 33% fat and 23% carbs:

So my food was lower in fat and higher in carbs than it has been. I did not realize how much carbohydrate oysters are! I did know that scallops, one of my favorite seafoods, are high in carbs. Well, tonight I am having beef, beef fat and liver.

I added it up and I ate 6-7g of carbohydrates yesterday.

Maybe no one here has read this yet:

Wild and Ancient Fruit: Is it Really Small, Bitter, and Low in Sugar? @

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 29, 2011, 07:40:42 pm »
Yesterday my energy was the same as the day before. My mood was steady, not high but not low either. I had a bowel movement in the morning, a Type 3 on the Bristol Stool Scale and a very dark brown color. At times I have experienced what feels like a shortness of breath, but it passes quickly. I at about the same amount as the day before, but I did not feel as full. Maybe my stomach is adapting to eating such a large volume of food in one sitting. I also drank about 8 cups of water yesterday. This morning I had another bowel movement, which appeared the same as yesterday's, but larger. I am not sure if they are my meals from before eating RZC or bodily waste from burning fat, but I do not think that they are from my raw meat meals; the transit time would have been very fast.

Last night I ate the last of my 78/22 ground beef from Slanker's. I have 20 lbs. of grass-fed ground beef from a local farmer that I was getting raw grass-fed milk from. I do not know the fat content of the beef though, so I will have to experiment a little to make sure I am getting adequate fat and not too much protein (if that is possible). From what I understand, excess protein is converted into glucose, and protein requires the most energy to digest, which are both reasons I want to eat a moderate protein, high fat diet.

I remembered that the caribou marrow is 91% fat, not 100%fat. So I just need to divide the above figure:

26g/0.91 = 29g

Otherwise I think the analysis is correct. I looked at fitday but it seems very limited in raw foods. I think I just need to make a spreadsheet and use the above formulae.

Thanks, I will check it out. Nutritiondata doesn't have a lot of raw animal foods.

General Discussion / Calculating Percent Calories From Fat/Protein
« on: July 28, 2011, 09:04:10 pm »
I am considering buying some grass-fed elk or deer, but I understand that the nutrient ratio is likely to be 90/10 (protein/fat), or thereabouts. I need more fat in my diet. How do I go about calculating the nutrient ratio if I were to add some elk/deer marrow to ground elk/deer meat? For instance, if I wanted to eat 1.5 lbs of 90/10 meat but end up getting 70% of my calories from fat, how would I figure out how much marrow I need to add to my meal of 1.5lbs. of 90/10 ground meat?

If I have 1 lb. meat, that's 454g. About 69% is water and ash. So 90% by weight is protein and 10% is fat, or 0.31*(454-45.4)g is protein and 0.31*45.4g is fat. In terms of calories, this would come to 0.31*(4cal/g)*(454-45.4)g + 0.31*(9cal/g)*45.4g = 505cal + 127cal. So %cal from fat and protein are 505cal/(505cal + 127cal) and 127cal/(505cal + 127cal) or 80% protein and 20% fat. This is too high in protein and low in fat for me. I would like to get about 70% of calories from fat.

So if F is calories from fat and P is calories from protein, and PCF is percent of calories from fat, then


For two foods (i.e. one marrow, the other ground beef), PCF=(F1+F2)/(F1+F2+P1+P2), where F1,P1 are fat and protein calories in the first food, F2,P2 the second food.

If we use the following data:

Game meat, elk, raw

Caribou, bone marrow, raw

Then for 70% calories from fat and with 100g of ground elk (F1,P1):


but P2=(1-0.967)F2=0.033F2 so

F2=234 cal

234 cal/(9cal/g)=26g

So, if caribou marrow has a macronutrient content similar to elk marrow, and the ground elk I receive is about 12% calories from fat, then for each 100g of ground elk I need to add 26g of elk marrow to achieve 70% calories from fat. Is this correct?

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 28, 2011, 06:47:38 pm »
I woke up fully rested and with a lot of energy today. I did wake up after only 4 hours sleep, but I was able to get back to sleep after about 10 minutes. This is the first day I feel fully rested in the morning in a few weeks. I hope it continues.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 28, 2011, 08:05:12 am »
Today I had a bit more energy than yesterday, which must be due to the slightly larger meal that I ate last night. I think that I still have an energy deficit from not eating enough at my meal to give me energy until the next evening. Hunger struck a little earlier than yesterday. I was very hungry by the time I got home. I ate 4 eggs, a pound of high fat beef with extra fat added and about 1/4 pound of buffalo heart. I am very full and it will be interesting to see when hunger returns tomorrow. I had my first bowel movement in 3 days this evening. It was diarreah-like but only mildly discomforting.

I am still adapting to my current metabolic state. I read in a textbook on metabolism that the human brain uses more ketones only gradually, rising to 75% after 40 days of fasting (which I assume is the metabolic state I am in or entering). There was no further information on whether the brain continues to use more ketones and what the upper limit is (or conversely, the lower limit for necessary glucose).

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 27, 2011, 07:05:26 am »
I had a little less energy today. I have been walking to and from work, it is about 3.5 miles round trip. I was a little exhausted and very hungry when I got home. Again, I did not eat all day, and I was not hungry until late afternoon. I ate the same as yesterday, but also 3 raw free-range chicken eggs. I ate until I was very full. My energy was a little low during the day, at least lower than yesterday. I expect my body is in ketosis, it has been 48 hours since I have eaten any food with significant carbohydrates in them. I don't know how long that takes. I am going to read more about what others refer to as becoming "keto-adapted," as this naturally intrigues me. My mood has been steady, so the depression has remained at-bay.

Journals / First Day RZC
« on: July 26, 2011, 09:39:26 am »
Today was my first day eating RZC. The day before I had 2 cups of grass-fed raw milk kefir and 1/3 coconut + coconut milk for breakfast. Later in the day I had some buffalo marrow bone stock (with lots of fat in it) with cooked vegetables (carrots, onions, garlic and radishes) and spinach cooked in pastured pork lard. Now I have nothing but raw meats and fish to eat.

I didn't break my fast until a few hours after I got home from work, at about 8pm. I was not hungry during the day, which is likely due to the low amount of carbohydrates and high amount of fat that I have been eating in the past week, transitioning to RZC. I had plenty of energy during the day, except in the afternoon when I was a little tired and could have taken a nap. I always nap on my day off. I think that if I could, I would nap every day in the afternoon. But work gets in the way so I have no way of knowing what a more natural sleep schedule would look like for me.

I must have drank 2 liters of water today, it was very hot (about 85 to 90 Fahrenheit) and my work does not have air-conditioning.

For my meal tonight I ate a good amount of heart (maybe 1/5 lb.) along with about a pound of Slanker's High Fat Ground Beef (78%/22%). I enjoyed it and hope it will sustain me until tomorrow night. I have not noticed any physical changes other than a general feeling of well-being, which I attribute to eating LC in general over the past week. But as I am now eating ZC I expect to experience physical/mental/emotional changes.

I finished my meal over 1 hour ago and it is digesting with ease, no discomfort whatsoever. If I had eaten the equivalent amount of cooked meat my stomach would likely be throbbing right now.

General Discussion / Re: The FDA again this is FUCKING FASCISM
« on: July 25, 2011, 07:27:34 pm »
The FDA is not, of itself, evil; it simply reflects the majority opinion in the US. Since the middle of the nineteenth century, medicine has been the national deity. and bacteria has been the arch-enemy. In a nation where the majority rules, we have only to look at the majority opinion to see why things are the way they are. It is not only so in the US.

No majority votes on the actions of the FDA, they are a power-wielding bureaucracy, created by government fiat. Yes, the federal government fills its positions of power through a semi-democratic process (the tyranny of the majority). Yet, the root of the government system is based on politics (might makes right), not on voluntary association. This is obvious if you look at history and study the origins of Federal power: a small group of men got together and made a document, which they supposed was binding upon everyone both then, and everyone into the future, forever ("The Constitution"). But this is hardly a voluntary and free participatory system. There is no opting out, and to do what the "founders" did would be considered today illegal, probably a punishable offense. We are basically enslaved at birth by our political masters in the US.


Of course, if by "no, of itself, evil" you are referring to the individuals that are part of the FDA, I agree. But they have their marching orders just like so many other government parasites.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Just Another Newbie
« on: July 24, 2011, 10:13:21 pm »

Also I made a sample diet plan to make sure I'm getting all my vitamins and minerals, with most been met to rec-comended levels but the saturated fat and cholesterol levels were incredibly high, like 500% the rec-comended level, so was wondering if that is going to be a problem on the diet?

Saturated fat and cholesterol, if from raw grass-fed/wild animal sources, can be eaten in large amounts without compromising health. The upper limit is more on calories--what your body needs to heal and thrive, which varies from individual to individual. Studies showing that saturated fat and cholesterol as being unhealthy or only to be consumed in moderation are flawed, as they were utilizing substances that were oxidized and/or damaged through cooking or heating, or where animal products were fed to herbivores such as rabbits.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: July 24, 2011, 09:11:01 am »
I know what you mean. I tried eating a bit of cooked starch (french bread) a while ago and immidiatly got massive carb cravings. Fortunately I could control myself somewhat and only ate crap for one day. The next day I overate (on purpose) on fruits to get rid of the carb cravings. After that I ate meat again and all was fine. Those refined carbs are so very addictive.

For me VLC/ZC doesn't work either. I eat ~50-80grms of carb a day from fruits/raw kefir. That way I feel fine. Stil is very low carb compared to your average SAD diet. I noticed, like many, that I don't crave carb if i eat a lot of fat. Luckily I also digest dairy well so I can eat lots of raw butter(delicious).

Maybe eating more fruits/fat works for you too to keep carb cravings down. AV's nut formula is pretty sweet too!

I have tried LC/VLC but any amount of carbs throws off my desire for meat (I have none). VLC leads to LC leads to moderate carbs, then high/nothing but carbs. I may eat some "carb foods" in the future, but for now I need to try ZC for an extended time.

I drank raw milk kefir for the past few months, 2 cups every day, that I made at home. I think it does have addictive qualities (re: opioids), and leads to the same chain of actions listed above (I would be happy drinking nothing but raw kefir every day if I were to follow my "instincts"). So I am eliminating dairy as well.

Journals / Update
« on: July 24, 2011, 08:54:24 am »
I had a bad spell eating SAD food, not terrible though as I continued eating cooked grass-fed beef, wild fish, raw grass-fed dairy, and so on. I was not doing well on the raw paleo diet I was eating, I had no appetite and was losing weight rapidly. I have put a good 20 lbs back on. I was reading posts, or maybe it was a journal by "The Bear." He said that he is never hungry eating RZC. This was my problem, and the reason behind my weight loss. I thought I should only eat when hungry. But if I am never hungry when eating RZC then it makes no sense to wait for hunger to eat. I am going to try RZC again, and make sure I eat enough to maintain my weight. I have more variety of meats now as well. I never felt better than when I was eating little or no carbs, so if I can maintain my weight I think all will go well. I have been transitioning from SAD to raw paleo, by eating cooked paleo the last week. Tommorrow or Monday I am starting raw paleo, RZC.

If I were in that class I would have asked him if he were a breatharian. If he were a breatharian I would respect his point of view, at least.

He doesn't offer a convincing case for animal liberation at all. He never explains adequately why animals have rights, because he cannot. Animals can neither make claims nor have others make claims (in a guardian role, as in parent/child). That is why animals are treated in law as property and not persons.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: May 19, 2011, 08:06:13 pm »
Very true for me as well, I eat them at least an hour apart.
Fermented foods in between always. Be it kraut or mead, lots of yeasts and bacteria work wonders for me.
Yes, frozen is simply not the same. Still good stuff though. Yet again, fermented foods should help.
You tried high meat, right?

I made 10 pounds of high meat from never frozen grass-fed ground beef. I aired it every day for over a month, and it definately became very high and stinky. I liked the smell and was eating it but my girlfriend and roommate is convinced it gave her stomach flu, which makes no sense. I ate about half of it, it was giving me very vivid dreams and I was waking up with original music in my head. Since it is her apartment (I pay half the rent and expenses but I am subletting from her) I agreed to get rid of it. She fled from the smell to a friend's apartment for a few days. I fed about 4 pounds to some ducks we are raising next to our apartment. At least it did not go to waste and I can eat the ducks in a few months.

I have been drinking raw milk kefir, except when I was RZC for a week. Now I am drinking it again and drink 4 cups each day, 2 in the AM and 2 cups PM. I have never had any problems with dairy, and I am not at all pro-dairy I just think I have the genetics to digest it properly. Anyways, I am considering trying cooked WAP diet or one of those anti-inflammatory diets, but still eating raw animal foods regularly, like sushi, steak tartare and such prepared raw dishes, or ones of my own creation.

If I can limit the Omega-6 fats I think I will be okay.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: May 19, 2011, 08:59:55 am »
I think the problem is that you can cook and I cannot.  ;D

I actually just ate some cooked grass-fed beef. I have been eating RZC for the past week and today I was disgusted by the ground beef I was eating earlier in the day. I think it may have tasted off because it has been frozen for over 6 months. The Amish at the local farmer's market have a real hard time selling any of their grass-fed beef so it is all really old.

I need to experiment more to find the right balance of foods for me, eating RZC I again had no energy, while at the same time inflammation was way down. I need to eat so that I am getting the right proportion of Omega-3/Omega-6 FA to keep inflammation down, while maintaining appetite so I don't lose 20 pounds and look like a skeleton.

Raw weston price diet didn't work because raw meat doesn't go with cooked rice, veggies and so on.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: May 18, 2011, 08:47:45 pm »
Were the grains cooked or raw?

They were cooked. I would soak them first in an acidic solution for 24 hours (48 hours for legumes) to remove antinutrients and boost the nutrient content.

Hot Topics / Re: moldy suet
« on: May 18, 2011, 08:31:10 pm »
just want to report that back fat got moldy in the freezer at -1F.  tough little buggers.  lots of tiny black dots on the surface.  i kept it in the plastic container with lid closed.

The "mold" might actually be meat. My fat usually has some meat interspersed which turns black from exposure to air.

Off Topic / Re: Linux Question
« on: May 14, 2011, 08:33:43 am »
Ubuntu is great, except when it doesn't work. I have been using Linux since October. I don't miss Windows at all.

Off Topic / Re: Introduce Yourself!
« on: May 14, 2011, 08:32:06 am »
I work in a bookstore. I attend weekly community mental health meetings. I volunteer for a community garden where most of the other volunteers are vegans. But I am going to build a chicken coop and raise chickens and eggs.

I like bonfires, had two this week. I also like to dance.

I am currently reading Man, Economy and State by Rothbard.

I am a biphasic sleeper. I think I have been my entire life, and just recently have I realized how much monophasic sleep screws things up.

I like to bike.

Okay, enough about me.

Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: May 14, 2011, 08:18:20 am »
A month ago, I was losing too much weight and feeling weak so I added in non-glutenous whole grains to my diet. That was a mistake. Carb cravings took over and soon I was eating pasta, sugar, beer, just about everything. Over the past month I have felt terrible but unable to make changes. The only food I was eating that was supplying adequate nutrition was raw milk and raw milk kefir.

I realized that I am lazy and don't like having to prepare my food. The next order of meat I put in it will be all ground beef. I now have a meat grinder so I can grind organs. I think there is a benefit to chewing and tearing meat off the bone, the action strengthens the jaw. But in my case I need it to be easy to eat, for now.

Also, I am leaning towards a zero-carb diet. I have noticed that I feel better the less carbs I eat. Today I bought 5 pounds of wild seafood as a treat to go with the last of my beef, before I place my next order. I fasted over the last 24 hours. I ate some scallops, high meat and ground beef and I feel much better now.

I hope to be able to maintain my weight and become more toned, and feel more alert mentally.

General Discussion / Re: Bananas
« on: May 14, 2011, 07:40:21 am »
Bananas were a staple for me for about a month for eating raw paleo.  I ate bananas in the morning and meat in the evening.  I lost a lot of weight (from 135 lbs. to 117 lbs.) and I am 5' 9".

General Discussion / Re: bison vs beef - omega 3 ratio
« on: April 28, 2011, 12:31:41 pm »
By law, you should be able to get everything but the brain. And not being able to get the brain is unconstitutional, so even that could be challenged, if you want to get a lawyer. I would contribute to your legal fund if that actually went to trial.

Primal Diet / Re: High Fruit?
« on: April 23, 2011, 08:27:33 am »
I know about high meat but "high fruit"?
Have seen it mentioned in a past thread.

Would high fruit be fruit that is over ripe and turning acidic? 
Or is there a process one needs to do to the fruit?

You can pickle the fruit.  Immerse it in salt water and let it sit for a few weeks.

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