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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Magnesium Intake on RZC
« on: August 17, 2011, 09:49:05 am »
I recently realized that my diet is very low in magnesium. Some organs, like heart and spleen, supply approximately 25mg of magnesium in a 4 oz. serving. I do not eat "high magnesium" meats every day, so my daily intake must have been low for awhile. The mineral water I started drinking contains about 13.7mg of magnesium per bottle, which means I am getting about 40mg a day from mineral water. Does anyone else worry about magnesium intake? Is there a good animal source for magnesium? Is there an explanation for why RZC requires less magnesium than other dieters?

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Off Topic / Re: Population Debate Thread
« on: August 17, 2011, 08:19:32 am »
Quote from: Eric on August 17, 2011, 02:33:27 am
I've read that in the United States (don't know if this figure holds for the world as a whole) only 3% of the population is directly involved in growing or raising the food Americans eat. If we increased that to 5%, or 10%, then obviously we'd be producing more food (assuming we don't give up current technologies). If global population were to fall from current levels of ~7 billion down to 10-20 million, it seems to me like it would be easy to increase the percentage of the population who is actively producing food and thus have more food per capita and higher quality food. Again, assuming we don't give up technologies that contribute to producing high quality food.

First, the important part of what you said is "directly involved." And you are talking about the labor of individuals, who are backed by a large amount of capital in the form of cleared and improved land, agricultural implements, etc. You can't just increase it to 5 or 10 percent, as if by decree. First off, you need to increase not only manpower (and it would be unskilled and know nothing about farming), but arable land, agricultural implement, and so on. Resources would also need to be reallocated from other parts of the economy, which would need to shrink. Not to mention there is no "method of farming", but a multitude of methods pursued by many individual businessmen involved in the farming business to varying degrees of separation, in the pursuit of profit. Such a socialist program would fail because you would have no way of knowing how to best allocate resources, what land to use, what farming methods to adopt, and so on. Only a free market can allocate resources to where they are most demanded by individual consumers.

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Off Topic / Re: Population Debate Thread
« on: August 17, 2011, 08:10:46 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on August 17, 2011, 12:28:34 am
I disagree. As technology keeps on improving, more food will be produced, not necessarily only low-quality foods.

Technology is not responsible for food production, individuals are responsible. Yes, we can produce food quite efficiently, but only the current capital structure makes it profitable for businesses engaged in food production to do what they are doing, and continue doing so. There are lots of inputs, from machines, to fertilizers, to warehouses and breeding programs. It is a complex, interconnected system. And there is always a lot of new technology "on the shelf." You can have the greatest technology in the world, but without the necessary capital (i.e. savings), nothing will be done with it.

If the world's population begins to fall, the market for food will shrink (assuming the population drop occurs evenly across all occupations). The market response is to produce less food, both because demand will have dropped and because there is less labor to support the labor inputs across the economy.

Also, why should technology "keep on improving"? That is an historic fallacy. Just because technology has improved from year X to year Y, does not mean the trend will continue, as if past developments had any bearing on future developments. And again, without a robust capital structure, technology is useless. Politicians are destroying the capital structure with their monetary inflation.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 17, 2011, 07:58:56 am »
Today, my meal consisted of 1 lb. ground beef, 3 oz. beef heart, 7.5 oz. beef marrow fat, all raw.

That's 116g protein, 240g fat and 0.1g carbohydrate. 2627 calories, 82% fat, 18% protein, less than 1% carbs. KR=2.95

I also drank 3 750mL bottles of mineral water throughout the day. And I took 1 tsp. of Himalayan sea salt.

I had a bowel movement shortly after dinner. It was a 3 on the BSS, 4-5 inches and brown, nothing unusual. I suppose my gastrocolic reflex is working normally. This article illustrates the difference between normal GR and GR for individuals with IBS:
http://www.helpforibs.com/footer/gastrocolic.asp

I never had IBS, but I have never been so regular as I am on my current diet. And there is never any need to wipe (really, believe me).

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Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: August 17, 2011, 06:51:31 am »
Quote from: ys on August 17, 2011, 12:17:05 am
US does not have government controlled media.  media is controlled by various special interests outside of the government such as Soros, Murdoch, Koch, etc, the complete spectrum from left to right.  even PBS is controlled by left-wing groups.

Yes, it is government controlled. Maybe you've never heard of the FCC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission

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Hot Topics / Re: Salt raises blood pressure, raises chance of cardiovascular disease etc.
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:32:16 pm »
Quote from: Dorothy on August 16, 2011, 12:29:27 am
How much do you use klow? Do you feel that it is connected to your body-building in some way? Is it regular table salt with the iodine added or a whole salt? I have wanted to put Edmonds salt on my raw meat/egg yolk too - tastes good - but then I still eat salad. Do others here that don't eat greens feel like they want/need salt?

Do you compete professionally klow? That's so cool.  O0



I have been adding a tsp of salt to my diet, but not to my food. I eat the salt by itself, or wash it down with mineral water. I use Himalayan Pink sea salt from the Real Food Trading Company. I only started adding it when eating raw zero carb. It, along with mineral water, maintains electrolyte balance. My mineral water contains 365ppm calcium, and I consume 2-3 bottles a day. I would add salt even if I ate greens or fruits, which I may introduce in the future, but perhaps less. I think salt was a normal part of the diet of paleolithic man, just not large quantities of refined, processed table salt.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:24:12 pm »
I started sun-gazing yesterday. It was too intense for me to look directly at the sun, so I looked just to either side. I gazed for about 30 seconds. It was refreshing and only temporarily disorienting (in terms of vision). I did it again this morning, I think for a little longer, and this time looking directly at the sun a little. It was easier, not as intense as yesterday. Both times I gazed when the sun had just risen over the horizon (which is blocked by trees and buildings in the distance). I am going to continue this as part of my morning routine, which also includes tongue scraping an drinking a bottle of Ferrarelle mineral water.

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Off Topic / Re: Population Debate Thread
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:09:31 pm »
Quote from: Eric on August 16, 2011, 12:28:56 am
There's nothing wrong with a shrinking global population. It means more food per person, and more higher quality food per person, and more space per person. I'd be quite comfortable with a global population of perhaps 10-20 million, distributed relatively evenly over the habitable land. Of course, getting there is another issue...

This isn't true. Food is produced, not some fixed amount. With less people there would be less food.

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Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:01:56 pm »
Quote from: PaleoPhil on August 16, 2011, 06:41:31 am
Ron Paul is a Republican, not a third party candidate, so he doesn't take the vote from either of the two major parties, as he is a member of one of them. What could happen if Ron is nominated is that hawkish Republicans might stay home and not vote in the general election. On the other hand, fiscally conservative Democrats might vote for Ron in the general election and make up for that potential loss.

Have any of the polling services run a poll of Ron Paul vs. Obama? If so, what were the results? If Paul did well, he could use that to say that he's a viable candidate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/07/22/ron-paul-competitive-against-obama-in-new-poll/

I am a big Ron Paul supporter, but not because I think that he as an individual, if elected, would have the power to make any positive changes. What we need is less government. He has helped more people to become aware that government is the problem, and the free market is the solution. His support is growing, but it may be too late for America. Americans are full of fear, and quick to surrender their rights for the illusion of security. Everyone seems committed to their own brand of socialism.

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Off Topic / Re: Sunlight phenomenon
« on: August 16, 2011, 06:51:10 pm »
Quote from: raw-al on August 15, 2011, 08:08:35 pm
Some of the apparent claims re sungazing are beside the point to my GF and I as we are content to enjoy improved vision and reduced hunger..

I tried sun-gazing yesterday for the first time. I don't know if there is any technique to it but I basically looked just to the side of the sun, it was too intense for me to stare directly at it. I did it for 30 seconds. It was refreshing. I was a little blinded afterwards but my vision returned to normal shortly after. I plan on doing eat regularly now. Maybe it will become less intense over time or I will be able to look longer. What is your experience?

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 16, 2011, 06:23:23 pm »
Yesterday, my meal consisted of 1 lb. ground beef, 2 oz. beef heart, 6 oz. beef marrow fat, all raw.

That's 128g protein, 242g fat and 0.3g carbohydrate. 2729 calories, 80% fat, 20% protein, less than 1% carbs. KR=2.80

I also drank 3 750mL bottles of mineral water throughout the day. And I took 1 tsp. of Himalayan sea salt.

I had a bowel movement in the morning, 3 days after my last one. It was more of a type 4 than 3, passed easy, a brown/gray color.

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Off Topic / Re: Sunlight phenomenon
« on: August 15, 2011, 06:12:31 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on April 08, 2009, 09:31:16 pm
One thing I have noticed since going rawpalaeo and curing my chronic fatigue is that I am far more likely to wake up early , especially  during the summer months. It  depends also on whether the windows are shuttered or not. If my bed is facing the dawning sun, then, often, I'll get up and feel wide awake at around 5am or whenever it is that the sky starts lightening up very slightly after the pitch-blackness of night(ie well before dawn). Whereas, if I'm facing away from the sun, or in a shaded part of the room etc., I may wake up early, but often go back to sleep even if I don't feel the need at all. Also, my appetite does go down when I'm experiencing a lot of sunlight such as in summer or hot countries.makes me wonder if there's a tiny bit of truth to the whole sungazing phenomenon(though I still don't believe in most of its claims).

I have been experiencing this. My body "wants" to be awake at dawn. I wake up feeling very refreshed and energetic, even after only 6 hours of sleep; I usually sleep longer. When I was eating a lot of fruit previously I also would wake up, but I would wake up earlier, around 3am, and I was manic--too much energy. I think the massive amounts of fat I am eating is really helping with my depression and chronic fatigue.

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Journals / Re: eveheart's Journal
« on: August 15, 2011, 09:27:33 am »
I still have cravings for carb foods, mainly fruit and dairy, and I am not committed to my current way of eating. Right now it is an experiment. It is the experiment I am committed to. I overloaded my body in the past with so much grains, sugar and vegetable oils, I need to eat raw zero carb. But I am unsure if I will eat this way for any extended period of time. Right now it is working, the experiment is going very well, as far as health and well-being. After awhile I may make some changes, or I may forget that this started as an experiment, and I may not want to eat anything but raw animal foods.

Everyone seems to face the fat/carb conundrum at some point. I am still dealing with this issue, if I weren't I would be set on raw zero carb and wouldn't think about it any more. At some point I may tire of my experiment, or I may feel that I have healed enough to allow raw dairy or raw fruit into my diet. When that time comes, though, I am going to do it in a controlled fashion, such as introducing just one kind of food and see how I do. It is kind of the opposite of those allergy elimination tests. I know I do well on beef, so I would try beef + heavy cream, for instance. Heavy cream is low in carbohydrates and high in fat, as is butter. I have grass-fed sources for these. Or if I were to introduce fruit, I would find a high-brix fruit, just one kind, and add that, eating a small amount each day, but otherwise only eating beef. This is my current approach, at least.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 15, 2011, 08:48:53 am »
Today, my meal consisted of 1 lb. ground beef, 2 oz. beef heart, 9 oz. beef marrow fat, all raw.

That's 114g protein, 274g fat and 0.1g carbohydrate. 2930 calories, 84% fat, 16% protein, less than 1% carbs. KR=3.19

I also drank 2 750mL bottles of mineral water in the morning. And I took 1 tsp. of Himalayan sea salt.

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General Discussion / Re: what are you reading?
« on: August 14, 2011, 09:45:31 pm »
I am reading The Hunting Hypothesis by Robert Ardrey and enjoying it very much. There are many interesting ideas, like the idea that human ancestors were preadapted to hunting before we actually began hunting. At some point, Eastern Africa began to thin out, with tropical jungle more scattered and increasingly being replaced by prairie and open spaces. The species that was our ancestors had to cross such spaces to get to patches of jungle, where the fruit we relied on for most of our food could be obtained. But this was dangerous, because we would be vulnerable to predatory animals crossing such open spaces. An number of adaptation arose and were reinforced: walking upright, which freed up the hands, and carrying weapons to protect ourselves from predators. So, the adaptations that allowed humans to hunt were initially used for self-defense. Chimpanzees can also walk upright and will instinctively hold a weapon in defense if encountering predatory carnivores, such as leopards and tigers. So Ardrey speculates that the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees is human-like in those ways. Our common ancestor was adapted to defending itself and walking upright for short distances, and had a taste for meat. But one line became ground-dwelling hunters, relying on meat in the diet, the other line continued to live primarily in the trees.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 14, 2011, 10:14:59 am »
I noticed that I have not been posting about my mood and energy. Both have been excellent for the past several days. I am not going to post about them unless I experience any noticeable shifts or changes. I may have hit a plateau or I may be at a peak, I do not know.

Today, my meal consisted of 1 lb. ground beef, 2 oz. beef liver, 3 oz. beef heart, 7 oz. beef marrow fat, all raw.

That's 127g protein, 230g fat and 2.3g carbohydrate. 2592 calories, 80% fat, 20% protein, less than 1% carbs. KR=2.68

I also drank 3 750mL bottles of mineral water. One in the morning, one in the afternoon and one a few hours before my meal.

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Hot Topics / Re: After 2,169 lectures to more than 60,000 students in 170 schools in 29 states, t
« on: August 13, 2011, 07:15:09 pm »
Quote from: raw-al on August 11, 2011, 11:54:51 pm
I cannot imagine how anyone could be a raw vegetarian (no dairy) or fruitarian, but apparently there are some.

But then there are breatharians.

There are those that claim to be breatharians but I believe it is complete BS. Breatharianism = fasting. And long term fruitarians, likewise, are either lying about what they eat or do not have the health they claim to have.

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Hot Topics / Re: After 2,169 lectures to more than 60,000 students in 170 schools in 29 states, t
« on: August 13, 2011, 07:11:35 pm »
Quote from: raw-al on August 11, 2011, 10:55:23 pm
Aha! Ya got me!

You're right he does eat ghee and a small amount of other dairy but he has a lot of Kapha so dairy plugs him up, so he avoids it somewhat, but he does consume it.

I have a tendency to count dairy as vege but you're right. It's kind of in a no man's land between meat and potatoes.

I know a "vegan" who is not completely insane. It turns out that she eats ghee "because Ayurveda says it has healing properties" and she will eat fish if she catches it herself, which happens when she goes camping in the summer. After I discovered that she did in fact eat fish and dairy, I understood how she could still be healthy eating so much birdseed.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 13, 2011, 06:46:12 pm »
Quote from: miles on August 13, 2011, 10:43:20 am
The long thin bone has the moist marrow and the short wide bone has the dry marrow. I prefer the dry marrow.

Thanks, so much knowledge here! It is hard for me to tell the difference between the bones, they appear about the same thickness and are cut to equal lengths. It seems strange for marrow to be so dry, I assumed it was always a soft, moist solid. Are the thin ones lower leg bones (tibia) and the thick ones upper leg bones (femur)? I don't know if they use the same names as human bones... wait I found this, from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Anatomy_and_Physiology_of_Animals/The_Skeleton#Objectives:



You have humerus, radius, ulna, femur, tibia and fibula, for leg bones.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 13, 2011, 09:57:06 am »
Today my meal consisted of 1 lb. of ground beef, 3 oz. beef liver and 7.5 oz. marrow fat. I had measured 4 oz. of liver, but my cat stole some while it was warming up on the plate. And that was after I put a big 1 oz. piece in his bowl. He loves liver.

Food totals are 118g protein, 239g fat and 3.3g carbohydrate, 2646 calories, KR=2.82

This is the highest the ketogenic ratio has been.

I have noticed that sometimes the marrow is very moist, other times very dry and crumbly, but most often in between, with a consistency either chalky or buttery. I prefer it moist and slimy and wish it was all like that. I am not sure what makes it dry, perhaps it is old and has dried out in the freezer?

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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Find
« on: August 13, 2011, 06:44:41 am »
The problem with the local farms that I have is that they do not yet cater to me as a consumer. They want to sell me animals by the whole, half, or quarter. They can't get brains, testicles or bone marrow. I can buy some grass-fed beef cuts, but they are priced much higher than buying out of state (shipping included). To get what I want as a consumer, I have no choice but to order from out-of-state. Hopefully, a local businessman will see the profit to be made in acting as a middleman between farmer and consumer, and sell different cuts locally. I have bought a quarter of beef in the past, and it was pretty cheap, but I ended up with cuts I didn't want and not enough of what I did want.

Just today I was talking about opening a butcher shop and basically being a middleman, selling nothing but grass-fed meats, pastured pork and free-range chickens and eggs, then expanding if business went well. I think I could do quite well with the right business model.

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General Discussion / Re: MINERAL WATER?
« on: August 13, 2011, 06:15:43 am »
I am just now discovering mineral water, as I try to fine tune that aspect of my diet. Some of the things I am reading are amazing, such as the following from http://www.aquamaestro.com/innerview.asp?catid=11:

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Fiuggi water is a natural, oligomineral water that pervades tufaceous (calcareous and siliceous rock deposits) hollows beneath the spas of Fiuggi. Exotic stuff. The scientific effect is a filtering action that purifies and reduces mineralization in the water, while creating a potent diuretic chemistry. Fiuggi is prescribed in Italy for expulsion of kidney stones, and supposedly inhibits their formation; it is also indicated during preparation urinary calculosis procedures and post-op treatment. In all, there's little question that Fiuggi is beneficial for the kidneys and urinary tract, and it is also effective against uric acid in general, which is the basis of gout and uratic arthropathies. Fiuggi was the official water of JUBILEE 2000, and it is rumored to be the choice at the Vatican.

Wow, mineral water that is useful for getting rid of kidney stones. I wonder if other mineral waters might have curative properties.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 13, 2011, 05:51:06 am »
I purchased a case of Ferrarelle mineral water, which is 12 750mL bottles. I started my search at some upscale grocers, which only carried Perrier and Pellegrino, at $2.39 a bottle. Neither listed the mineral contents. I next tried a beer and wine specialty store, which had the Ferrarelle, Perrier and Pellegrino, at $1.99 a bottle. I purchase Ferrarelle because it listed the mineral contents, and a case only cost $18.99. The contents lister are:

carbon dioxide at source: 2310 ppm
hydrogen carbonate: 1403 ppm
calcium: 365 ppm
silica: 86ppm
potassium: 52ppm
chloride: 20ppm
magnesium: 18ppm
sulphate: 3ppm
nitrate: 5ppm
fluoride: 1.1ppm

Nutrition Facts lists 10mg sodium and 10% daily value of calcium. Not bad, for water. Also, it lists "conductivity at 20C uS/cm 1810, pH at 18C 6.1."

This is the best water I can easily obtain right now, though I may look into ordering online of finding another local source. Also, I imagine it should be easy to precipitate the minerals out of the water and sell tablets that could be added to purified water, which would turn it into mineral water. This would mean cost savings as the consumer would not have to pay for the shipment of water in glass bottles halfway around the world. I don't know if such tablets exist, though.

According to the company's website, the water is filtered to remove arsenic, which exists at 6ppm before treatment. That is the only processing, apparently.

A little blurb on Ferrarelle mineral water: http://www.aquamaestro.com/innerview.asp?catid=6

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Hot Topics / Re: Omega-6: significant at what point?
« on: August 13, 2011, 01:33:06 am »
Quote from: personman on August 11, 2011, 10:37:07 pm
At what point(say in terms of grams)-for the average person- do omega-6 fats become significant as deleterious to health? Assume a skewed ration of 1:20 for Omega-3:Omega-6 in the diet? At what point-in grams or other measure- does this EVEN matter? Why not consume (relative to percent of PUFAs) products that have a very skewed ratio of omega fats (high 6, low 3) and yet little omega fats at all---in high doses? eg. lbs. of grain-fed beef(high fat), tallow, eggs, butter, etc.... When should one start to worry about inflammation and the gamut of other problems bound up with 0-6?




Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid#Significance_to_human_nutrition_and_health for an overview. If I remember correctly, the brain has a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 FA of 1:1, whereas tissues that use omega FA outside of the brain have a ratio of 3:1 or 4:1. So what the body needs depends on the specific organ or tissue. It matters because your body needs omega FAs to perform various functions: omega-6 FA are inflammatory while omega-3 FA are anti-inflammatory. Inflammation is important when you are wounded but it also needs to be controlled, your body must control inflammation and heal wounds as well, and this is where omega-3 FAs come in. Here is an excellent article on EFAs and heart disease: http://eurheartjsupp.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/3/suppl_D/D8.pdf. So EFAs are involved in many bodily functions.

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Journals / Re: Magnetic's Journal
« on: August 13, 2011, 01:19:17 am »
I have been thinking about sourcing some water, and as I learn more I am doubtful whether "spring water" sold in plastic bottles is any better than tap water, or worth the extra money. I am leaning more towards mineral water in glass bottles, which may be very expensive, possibly too expensive. I have not looked at prices anywhere yet. I am by a river... the Detroit River. I don't think that water would be very good to drink, no better than Detroit tap water.

There is Silver Spring in Northville, http://www.findaspring.com/category/usa/michigan/, I suppose I could make regular trips and fill up jugs of water. I would consider paying the owner of a private spring to fill up glass jugs of water every week, but I do not want to spend a lot of time and (gas) money on obtaining water.

I do not know if I would benefit health-wise because I have been drinking tap water for years. But I will report if I notice anything positive, and if not I still think that mineral water will be a lot healthier for long-term health.

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