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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: I want to start eating raw meat, but I'm a bit scared
« on: January 21, 2020, 07:58:08 pm »
Just take the plunge and do it IMO. There are many methods to gradually introduce it but none of them are really necessary or worth it.

1. You could. But it's not the end of the world if you do. Long-term your health will improve.

2. Yes, but much less so. Still a lot better than cooked.

3. Any muscle meat that tastes ok is ok.

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Display Your Culinary Creations / Eggs and blood?
« on: January 16, 2020, 07:22:04 pm »
Anyone ever tried this? I don't have access to the necessary ingredients, but I was thinking that gently stirring an egg into maybe a quarter cup of blood, could be an interesting combination.

Anyone wanna give it a try and tell us if they liked it?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Omnivorous v. Carnivore
« on: January 16, 2020, 03:34:46 am »
Humans are opportunistic omnivores that rely primarily on animal foods for nutrition, particularly large mammal hunting. We consume plants as a supplement or in case of starvation.

Some humans may do best on an entirely carnivorous diet, such as the eskimos. For most people, consuming a few plant foods is beneficial, as long as the contaminants from modern agriculture don't harm us more than the plant foods benefit us. Juicing vegetables and bland fruits (but not sweet fruits) can remove some of the detriments of fibrous foods, in case too much fiber is what concerns you. You can accomplish this with a juicer or using your teeth.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Eating raw conventional supermarket meat
« on: January 13, 2020, 06:49:00 pm »
Quote from: PaganGoy on January 13, 2020, 01:55:00 pm
Grain fed chicken has never made me feel sick so far, it's also alot less acidic to me than red meats.

It's not just being grain fed but being pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and vaccines, being on a 24 hour a day light schedule, packed in tight conditions where they never see the sun, breathe fresh air and sometimes can't even walk.

And to top it all off, before the bird is sold to you, after being butchered, it's submerged in a liquid full of toxic chemicals meant to kill bacteria. Of course they don't care if that kills you, too.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Eating raw conventional supermarket meat
« on: January 13, 2020, 10:07:17 am »
Quote from: Sol^Sa on January 13, 2020, 03:45:57 am
What do you mean by "meat glue"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXXrB3rz-xU

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Primal Diet / Re: AVs theory on Apple Cider VInegar
« on: January 13, 2020, 09:54:01 am »
Oh, I don't know about the general health of people in the Philippines. I was thinking about a western society standard, where most of the food consumed is heavily processed.

Btw, 15km/h may be slow for a bike but it's still fast running speed, and riding a motorcycle is much riskier than running, because your body isn't adapted to all the things that can go wrong on a bike.

A young man died in Argentina just last week after hitting the wheels of a stopped car from behind with a bike at about the same speed. Ask if you wanna see the video, as it shows the crash doesn't even look that bad. The human body is fragile, especially nowadays with in our toxic environment, and especially when unnatural things are at play that put our bodies to the test of things they weren't meant to be facing under normal, natural conditions.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Eating raw conventional supermarket meat
« on: January 13, 2020, 02:39:33 am »
Yes, it's usually not a problem, if it's all you can get it's still much better than no meat or cooked foods.

However, I suggest avoiding ground meat (you never know what's in there) and beware of expensive cuts that might have meat glue. Also keep in mind when something is on sale, it's probably frozen and thawed.

Conventional chicken is pretty gross, and might give you issues, especially if you're new to this lifestyle. The first time I tried it, back when I was a cooked food eater, I had salmonella or whatever it was, that lasted for 2 months.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Which meat is it ok to eat raw?
« on: January 10, 2020, 10:04:44 pm »
Unless it has a very particular kind of toxin that is destroyed or altered and rendered less harmful by cooking (usually made in a lab and put there on purpose to discourage raw eating)... If it's not ok to eat raw, then cooking it will only mask the symptoms, but maximize the damage.

For example, AV did experiments with raw and cooked swordfish fed to cats and dogs. Swordfish is high in mercury.

The cats and dogs were mixed and separated into two groups at random. Mercury levels were measured in the fish by weight content, and then all feces and urine for each animal were collected, and had their mercury levels measured.

By calculating how much mercury each animal ingested and how much it excreted, one can roughly calculate how much mercury was absorbed and accumulated as toxicity in the body of the animal.

In the group fed raw, 88-92% of mercury was eliminated within the 7 days the study lasted (last two days were water fasting days). In the group fed cooked, only 8-12% was excreted.

Furthermore, by analyzing in detail the excretions of each group, it was noticed that cholesterol bubbles encapsulated the mercury in the raw group, but not in the cooked group. What likely happened is that this natural bond was broken by the cooking process, leading to all that toxicity being absorbed and stored rather than discarded or eliminated.

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Primal Diet / Re: AVs theory on Apple Cider VInegar
« on: January 10, 2020, 09:34:18 pm »
Quote from: kelpguy on January 10, 2020, 06:05:55 am
i had a motorcycle accident around age 65 which completely broke my tibia, fibula and immobilized the ankle in one leg.

i'd been on a high fruit and green veggie salad, with a taste of cooked meat, diet for about 20 years.  i had a bone scan done after the doc put my leg back together and the doc took me aside and sternly said i had the bones of a 90yo man and sold me some calcium supplements.

As long as you were eating a decent amount of meat, I doubt your bones were worse than average, or if they were, I highly doubt that your diet during those 20 years was the cause. If if understood what you described correctly, the average diet is much worse than that.

I'd put more weight on the doctor just trying to convince you to buy the calcium supplements. They get paid for that. And then when the calcium supplements don't work and you break another bone or have another problem as a side-effect, it's more opportunities for them to make $.

Btw, the average 90 year old can't ride a motorcycle at all. It's true that part of this is due to lack of muscle mass, poor eyesight, hearing and reaction times, and arthritis, but a big part is also because their bones would break at the slighest trouble. The fact that you had to have a considerable accident for anything to go wrong makes me doubt the doctor's claims even more.

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Primal Diet / Re: AVs theory on Apple Cider VInegar
« on: January 08, 2020, 11:40:21 pm »
Oh, I didn't know that.

I know he believed sweet fruits in excess demineralized your body, and also that wine produced similar effects to that of the sweet fruit it was made from. Since vinegar is the next step in the fermentation of sugars, that makes some sense.

It's certainly the case that vegans who eat tons of fruit end up with rotten teeth and frail bone structures.

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Off Topic / Re: PETA sues to avoid piglets being castrated
« on: January 08, 2020, 08:48:43 am »
The aim of this organization is to poison the meat, not make it healthier. Look at the alternatives being proposed. All sorts of harmful chemicals will be used as alternatives or in addition to this procedure.

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Off Topic / Re: Ultra-cold baths
« on: January 08, 2020, 02:42:13 am »
Quote from: PaganGoy on January 07, 2020, 11:58:20 am
There is no evidence of evolution.

Alright, call it design then. Makes no difference to this point.

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Off Topic / Re: Ultra-cold baths
« on: January 07, 2020, 06:57:31 am »
It's just damaging your body, and putting you in very real danger of dying. Yes, that can shock you into starving off depression, and when your body is in that life or death mode, you're not going to have a flu. That doesn't prove anything, especially if you don't adhere to the conventional view of disease and the immune system being opposites, rather than symbionts.

Could paleo people in cold weather areas manage to swim in super cold water and survive? I'm sure they could, if they really needed to. But your body tells you not to do it for a reason. Leave the icy swim to the polar bears, the penguins, the seals and the walruses, all of which have evolved means to insulate their body heat from the freezing cold water.

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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that rotten Fish is safe to eat?
« on: January 07, 2020, 06:48:08 am »
Quote from: Onlymistert on October 22, 2019, 05:36:43 am
Rotten meat is always safe to eat. Bacteria is all good. Fermented foods will act as stronger cleansers than their fresh counterparts. It may start detox, so if you arent prepared to go through it dont eat it til ur ready. It wont always do that. But remember its only making u stronger. In 40 years when ur 100% healthy doing the diet 100% the fermented foods wont affect u bc u will be toxin free

If the food or the environment it's in is toxic, when it starts to ferment, there will be toxic byproducts that could be very dangerous, even deadly. I suspect this is where most of the deaths from consuming fermented foods come from.

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Primal Diet / Re: AVs theory on Apple Cider VInegar
« on: January 07, 2020, 06:43:48 am »
I don't remember reading or hearing him say this. Are you sure he wasn't referring to cooked ACV?

In any case, he recommended raw ACV for many reasons and for many people, but only in small doses and combined with the right foods.

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Primal Diet / Re: High Meat - Starting Bacteria/Yeast Culture Problem
« on: December 30, 2019, 10:31:31 am »
I'm curious, how long are you fermenting it for? And at what temperature? And are you making sure to keep plenty of airspace and air it to renew the oxygen supply every few days?

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General Discussion / Re: eat chicken skin?
« on: December 30, 2019, 09:54:23 am »
what francis said

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Primal Diet / Re: Hot Water Bottle
« on: December 27, 2019, 11:27:55 pm »
There is a difference between the temperature of the water, and the temperature of the surface of the water bottle. Even moreso, most water bottles have a bladed "2nd surface" (don't know how this is called) that further separates the actual surface from your skin, and allows air to transfer a large portion of the heat towards your skin at a lower rate.

If you want even more insulation, you could wrap the hot water bottle in cottonsheet or some other natural fabric. This has the added benefit of preventing some of the toxins from the water bottle rubber/plastic from entering your body through your skin and your lungs.

Keep in mind that some hot water bottles have an upper limit on what temperature of water they will be able to handle without a high degree of likelihood of bursting open. Also, keep in mind that the hotter you make the water, the more likely you are to get serious burns if the hot water bottle does burst or puncture and spill. Most hot water bottles recommend an upper limit on temperature and also on volume. If you fill them all the way with hot water, they're more likely to burst if you have them under you rather than on top, and the weight of your body applies pressure.

50-55C should be fine in most cases. You can go higher, but again, the higher you go, the riskier it becomes. In most cases, never use boiling hot water.

The main advantages of going higher is you can use more insulation, and that the water bottle will stay hot for longer. (you may need to remove some of the insulation as it cools down). However, if the material the water bottle is made of is toxic and releases toxins, chances are, the hotter the water is, the more toxins will be released.

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Off Topic / Re: The myth of the Noble Savage....
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:23:29 am »
Most of this article is hippie-communist nonsense, not a surprise coming from the guardian.

The main reason why we shouldn't necessarily assume their current customs and behaviors were the same as our predecessors, is that our predecessors became us, while their predecessors became them.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:14:50 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on December 03, 2019, 03:07:18 am
Vegans can often be lower-middle-class and male.

They can be, but most of them are not.

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 03, 2019, 03:07:18 am
There is a "thing" called a "hipster" which is a vegan, woke male with a finely-tuned beard, they are , sadly, very common over here.  Also, vegans often eat very nasty, highly-processed meat-substitutes, which are even worse than most modern fast-foods.

Not sure about Austria or the UK, but I'm pretty sure that "hipster" implies upper middle class in the US. In any case, some vegans eat that way, most only eat that way on occasion, and their diets can still be healthier than some of the lower classes. Also, and most importantly, most vegans haven't been vegan their whole life. They started up with good nutrition (by comparative standards to the rest of modern society) for the first 15-20 years of their life, before deciding to become vegan. All of the essential nutrients required for brain development were likely acquired by then, and as much as they can screw up their diet afterwards, it's more a matter of maintenance than building.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:02:01 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on December 02, 2019, 09:53:52 pm
Errm, unless you can prove that vegans are more likely to commit crimes, this makes no sense.

Vegans are overwhelmingly white, upper middle class and female. These 3 categories *separatedly* commit crime at a rate that is around 10-15% of that which the rest of the population has. Combine all 3, and you've got a group that should be committing less than 1% as many crimes as the rest of the population.

Also, vegans are not necessarily the most malnourished or even the most cholesterol deficient, plenty of non-vegans have a less nutritious diet than vegans do; and there is no reason to assume that only malnourishment is what leads to crime, nor that cholesterol deficiency is what leads to crime. If anything, it is a factor among many. It doesn't mean it's not true, however.

Quote from: sabertooth on December 02, 2019, 10:16:51 pm
I dont disagree with this prognosis, yet perhaps the periodic cycles of tyranny, chaos, and megadeaths are in someway necessary to winnow out the overgrowth and dead wood from the species, so that out of this struggle between the individual and the collective a more robust and dynamic humanity will evolve.

Except that during such scenarios, it's not necessarily the strong, the healthy, the smart and the good that survive and reproduce. Often it is the weak, the sick, the dumb and the evil.

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 03, 2019, 01:22:48 am
Err, I do NOT agree that war  always weeds out the worst. For one thing, WW1 for England was voluntary at first, so that all the bravest men went to war, while the cowards stayed at home and saved their own lives for a time, until forced consscription came up. Even then, the wiliest cowards would take on jobs like quartermaster etc. in order to avoid fighting on the front-lines. Indeed, there's a theory that ww1 and ww2 acted like a major dysgenics programme on some of the human race.

Agreed.

All one has to do is look at which continents WW1 and WW2 were mostly fought in.

While I concur that locally, there was likely a disgenic effect from these conflicts (except in some cases); globally there was clearly a massive disgenic effect.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 02, 2019, 05:57:18 am »
Quote from: sabertooth on December 02, 2019, 02:13:12 am
I wouldn't refer to it as a plan, machinated by some sort of evil mastermind....Both the (rich and poor), (saint and whore) are in many ways at the mercy of these cosmic whims.....humancentric worldviews tend to look for ways to blame and scapegoat fellow beings for our shared predicaments...we tend to anthropomorphize the flow of cosmic change into demons and divinities....but, instead of judging these things personally, there are more impersonal forces at play which shape the all too human dynamics. Just as the hive insects mutually agreed to subvert their sexual individuality in exchange for the security and honey provided by their society, so are hive human also abandoning gender and familial roles in order to join the greater hive structure being constructed. Its not just the case that families are being destroyed, the entire family construct is being spirited away from the nuclear matter/patter/offspring model, and moved more toward these hive super societal structures, where regardless whatever ways people manage to reproduce, the offspring will be brought into a collective, where they will be conditioned from an early age to identify more with the superstructure itself rather than individuals who acted as the biological parents.

In strange ways these new superstructures are self regulating organisms that are evolving as well as seeking some fashion of homeostasis. Personally I feel saddened by the loss of the more primal ways of living within the old family structures. There is a deeply tragic feeling of nostalgia and a disheartening sense that this brave new world does not give a damn for such sentimentalism. Despite such fatalistic cynicism here we are, and at least for the time being certain sections of the population who hold on to the old ways, will still be able to live and reproduce in accordance to their natural drives. Even from within the heart of Mordor this invisible hand guided by impersonal forces will continue to cultivate such heirloom people, who are able to live, love, and transcend the forces of tyranny.

There may indeed be a method to the shuffling madness, and it will forever take all kinds to make a world. Given enough time and "progress" such thoughts, sentiments and views will likely be banished to obsolete obscurity..... but just perhaps in case Babylon fails to bring forth a stabilized hive humanity, out of the ruins the survivors still endowed with the antiquated relics of this primal spirit, will be able to reincarnate the form of humanity needed to carry us on to whatever destiny awaits.

Hive insects in a colony are all siblings in a big family, and their genes have evolved over millions of generations to sustain a hive structure.

Humans can to an extent act like a hive with respect to their family (only to an extent), but when you try to apply that method of social interaction to a whole society of thousands or worse yet, millions of people, what you get is communism, which is public slavery, and inevitably leads to tyranny, chaos and the megadeaths.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 01, 2019, 06:45:10 pm »
Quote from: sabertooth on December 01, 2019, 12:51:52 pm
In these modern dominance hierarchies Alpha Male traits are extremely suppressed by the powers that be, much in the same way the Alpha wolf enforces submissiveness among the betas. This leads to a huge void of masculinity throughout large populations. The men become incrementally more feminized.... as this lack of masculinity triggers females, who naturally seek masculinity to become more masculine in order to fill the void ( much in the same way amphibians will alter gender expression) The larger and more hierarchical the society is the more these tendencies toward a "de-gendering" non reproductive sexuality seems to manifest.

There is a well structured plan which among other things, seeks to psychologically castrate and feminize men, while simultaneously masculinizing and whoring women. Along with other factors, this leads to a destruction of the family unit, which is the basis of civilization. Without families, there can be only tyranny and chaos.

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 01, 2019, 05:54:04 pm
Bear in mind that Weston-Price was a man of his times. For example, he also suggested that criminals became criminals because of poor nutrition. This does not make much sense, though. After all, the biggest, most successful criminals in society bare white-collar ones, who, due to their wealth, usually manage to buy their way out of trouble/being convicted etc. I mean, Tony Blair is one of the biggest crooks alive, but he does not seem that malnourished compared to the rest of the population.

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees. Yes there are some smart criminals, but on average, criminals are much, much dumber than average. Poor nutrition impairs brain development.

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 01, 2019, 05:54:04 pm
As regards homosexuality, I see it more as another way of  social bonding rather than sex, as no children are involved(well not between the 2 relevant individuals, anyway).

This way of social bonding strongly stifles or prevents the forming of families and procreation. As such it is the opposite of God's plan, and to promote it is actually doing Satan's work, whether one knows it or not.

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 01, 2019, 05:54:04 pm
Also, there is a spectrum for many things, so rich people cannot exist without there being poor people, and so on.

That depends entirely on how you define the terms. Also, without giving some sort of explanation as to the mechanism or relationship between the rich and poor, you are failing to make an argument of substance.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 01, 2019, 08:30:33 am »
Tyler:

All the ancient examples of rampant deviancy come from societies that were degenerating due to the installment of mob rule to a certain extent, which is what we have today, but we have a much more drastic version than any of them had. And all of them collapsed miserably.

Like the Bible says, this is a sin, and sinners should repent. When the whole society accepts this behavior as normal and healthy and even promotes it and encourages it, or worse yet, it condems the natural and normal behaviors... Well, you get utter and total destruction, because that society is lost.

Nowadays there is more destructive power than ever before in the hands of the degenerates, by several orders of magnitude, so the times we have in front of us are dark and dangerous. The light ultimately prevailed in the past, but this time, I'm not sure.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: November 29, 2019, 08:10:59 pm »
Quote from: norawnofun on November 29, 2019, 06:41:06 am
Recently, they did a large study to determine the cause of sexual behaviour and find a "gay-gene": https://geneticsexbehavior.info/ https://geneticsexbehavior.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ganna190830.pdf. They concluded that there is no such thing. My guess is that indeed, nutrition plays a main role, but there are for sure other factors like Tyler mentioned. You can´t blame everything on nutrition. Even in nature there are examples of gay animals. Did they eat soy? I doubt it. Still, I think that nutrition is a very important factor that one should not miss. I know at least 2 people that were fed soy milk when they were babies, and they turned out to be gay.

The whole idea of finding an "X gene" that every person with X has, and every person without the gene doesn't have X, is quite dumb. Very few genes work like this. Rather, genes work synergistically and combine with each other to create all sorts of different possibilities.

Diseases are caused either by defective genes, or by toxicity accumulation, poor nutrition/lifestyle, or by artificial experience that teaches someone to go against their very nature; or by a combination or sequence of any or all of the above: For example, toxicity buildup can damage genes. Mental disorders can cause someone to poison themselves with drugs and chemicals. Damaged genes can also predispose someone to a mental disorder; etc.

If one were to be able to understand all there is to know about how genes combine to form particular individuals, I suspect we'd be able to tell which people with which genes have much higher or much lower chances of becoming gay.

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RE: Tyler, the testosterone idea is incomplete, as this only applies to men who become gay because they feel more like women than men, but it does not encompass all gay men, such as those that become gay because they feel more manly by dominating boys instead of girls. All of that said, on average, and because a large proportion of gay men are of the first type, gay men have much lower testosterone than non-gay men.

Quote from: goodsamaritan on November 29, 2019, 11:49:40 am
How about this idea?
Genetic statistics show we are descended from a ratio of 1 male having children with 5 females.

Therefore plenty of males are not chosen for the job.

Maybe being a reproductive male is a sort of pinnacle of biology?

There is the theory that in H-G tribes/bands, weak or low status men only pretend to be gay so they will be trusted by the alphas to protect the females when they're not around; and in doing so have their only chance at reproduction.

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