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Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 08, 2019, 08:32:26 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on January 08, 2019, 06:35:29 pm
  The whole text was based on the dangers of excess calcium, not on the issue of raw vs pasteurised.

Precisely my point. They use problems from pasteurized dairy to attack raw dairy.

Quote from: TylerDurden on January 08, 2019, 06:35:29 pm
Your suggestion that raw calcium is somehow magically protected from wearing the osteoblasts out is dodgy and not yet supported by any science.

There's plenty of science supporting it. Including Pottenger's vasts studies on cats, as well as Weston Price's studies on indigenous peoples. Not to mention the simple fact that all mammals fed their raw mother's milk develop much better bone and teeth health than those fed pasteurized or cooked milks. You claim this is because it's the mothers' milk, or milk from the same species. I'm sure this has benefits. But it could just as well be the cooking of the milk that causes most of the problems.

Quote from: TylerDurden on January 08, 2019, 06:35:29 pm
Dead wrong. The whole point of the palaeolithic diet is that  Neolithic consumption of grains and raw dairy led to vast ill-health in humans. Bear in mind that, prior to pasteurisation, dairy was mostly drunk in raw form. Also, bear in mind that scientific evidence shows that palaeolithic-era skeletons all had much stronger bones compared to Neolithic-era skeletons, yet palaeo HGs did not consume raw dairy unlike Neolithic-era HGs. So, clearly, raw dairy consumption leads to weaker bones. Also, consumption of grains and (mostly raw) dairy led to significantly decreased average height, plus may have been responsible for the c. 10-11% drop in average human brain-size.

None of this proves that raw dairy was in any way part of the problem, that is simply an assumption you make on zero evidence. For all we know they could've been even worse off without the raw dairy and consuming more grains and cooked meats/vegetables instead.

Quote from: TylerDurden on January 08, 2019, 06:35:29 pm
Grains were consumed by all social classes in Neolithic times.

Hard to say if that was in fact the case. And even if it was, it might be in moderate amounts like we see in later periods.

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Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 08, 2019, 05:45:48 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on December 14, 2018, 04:48:45 am
Oh, and here is some scientific data linking osteoporosis to dairy consumption. Note that excess calcium is blamed, so the issue of raw vs pasteurised is irrelevant here, as both contain excessive calcium:-
http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm

I wish I had  come across that study as a child. As a kid, I was force-fed grains and dairy at school, and my foolish parents believed the lies that doctors told them about dairy consumption building stronger bones. Interesting point re a lower lifespan being caused by malabsorption of galactose. So, it's not casein or lactose per se that is the real problem, it seems. There is a more severe example of this, called galactosemia, where complete inability to digest galactose means a baby so afflicted suffers severe inflammation, and, within months, brain-damage and death, if it consumes any dairy, raw or pasteurised, whether from their mother's breasts or from cows' milk or whatever.

You keep using pasteurized dairy studies to justify your bias against raw dairy. The researchers can "blame" whatever they want, that doesn't mean they're right, that's not how science works and you should know it. Even if the calcium itself is the problem, it could very well be that pasteurizing the dairy has an effect on the calcium molecules and how they're bound to other nutrients, as well as the absorption / fixing / elimination once they enter the body.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that humans have been drinking raw milk for thousands of years without anyone ever blaming any diseases on them until pasteurization came along?

And before you bring up grains, it was well known that grains weren't healthy, which is why they were the food of poor people who couldn't afford more expensive foods. It's only in recent times that grains have been touted as health foods.

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Off Topic / Re: More "natural" preservatives being sought after...
« on: January 06, 2019, 06:08:56 pm »
Here I was imagining a piece of meat covered in wheat bran lol...

They're chemically extracted, and probably about as harmful as artificial ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Healthy budget diet?
« on: January 06, 2019, 09:34:48 am »
I suggest not using lard, it's usually refined and toxic. Margarine is even worse.

If you must cook, render your own liquid fats from meat fat, you can often get them very cheaply or even for free from a butcher.

I'd also add that I think just about any meat is better raw than cooked.

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General Discussion / Re: Mold appearing on fresh raw meat
« on: December 31, 2018, 01:17:46 pm »
What hadezb said.

Also,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvszzgYRjU

(sorry I couldn't find a version with better sound volume)

Molds and bacteria become particularly dangerous when they've grown in a toxic environment

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Off Topic / Re: Medical blunder
« on: November 27, 2018, 07:57:56 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 27, 2018, 12:48:35 pm
I recently took a flu shot due to pressure and it was a disaster. 2 hours later, I got, for the first time in my life,  a painful UTI.

You really should've known better.

When are you finally going to admit that AV was right in most of what he said?

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General Discussion / Re: Got food poisoning
« on: November 27, 2018, 07:23:22 am »
Toxins will often be stored in the organs when the animal is unhealhy. Particularly the liver. If I had to guess I would say the problem is that these foods likely had a high toxin load that your body did not want to handle. It could even be that the animal had just received medication of some sort prior to being slaughtered.

AV has warned that organs from conventionally raised animals will often cause these problems when raw. It's not that cooking them gets rid of the toxins though. In fact it makes it so that instead of eliminating the toxins quickly (which is what you got), they are stored in your body. But you just don't notice the reaction being as strong.

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Primal Diet / Re: No Water
« on: November 27, 2018, 07:05:38 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on February 27, 2013, 07:03:10 am
It's true that distilled water leaches minerals. I had a  very frightening experience during my distilled-water experiments. I would drink gallons of the stuff and still feel the need to drink much more as I never ever felt sated. I've since been told that the best way to absorb water is to put a little something in it like salt or lemon etc.

All water will do this. It will not only leech minerals but all nutrients from your body. Yes, it will leech some toxins too, and that's why a little water can be a good idea. But like AV said, it's a solvent. Like soap for the inside of your body. If you go crazy with it, you'll have problems.

Distilled is just worse as it heavily leeches minerals. I'm not sure if adding back minerals chemically extracted from petroleum and the like would help. It certainly doesn't sound very natural.

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General Discussion / Re: How to filter shower and bath water?
« on: November 27, 2018, 06:53:41 am »
AV took a different approach, at least for baths. Rather than filtering, he'd add things that would bind with the toxins and prevent them from entering your body through your skin/lungs, as well as pull toxins from your skin. He recommended using a little terramin clay and sometimes a little milk.

Most filtering would probably improve your water quality, assuming your water quality is bad (tap water). If you have decent water, some filtering methods could even add toxins.

For example, most shower-head filters designed to remove chlorine while keeping a good flow are made of heavy metals. Yes, you'll get rid of the chlorine and some other toxins, but you could be adding something even worse.

As I understand it, carbon filters restrict flow too much to be convenient for a shower-head installation.

Some of what I've read suggests that filtering should be done centrally rather than at the shower-head if you want it to be effective and safe. But of course that is more expensive, and you can't take it with you when you travel.

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Primal Diet / Re: Did AV dye his hair?
« on: November 22, 2018, 07:06:10 pm »
Interesting stuff with the horsetail. Let us know if it works.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello! People from Austria here?
« on: November 22, 2018, 06:59:32 pm »
Another tragic story.

The worst part is that most of the time, money is not the main reason why a diet is bad.

Have you started eating more raw foods? And did anything change with your symptoms?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: I lost the best years of my life but i am not sad...
« on: November 22, 2018, 06:51:17 pm »
AV said supermarket muscle meat is ok. Just avoid organs and marrow and you'll be fine. And even if you don't, you'll be fine too, it just might not be pleasant.

Plenty of people in this forum have eaten supermarket meat countless times without any major problems.

Low quality meat meat is much better than no meat.

Most of the world consumes cooked supermarket meat and they're fine. The toxins don't go away just because you burn the meat. In fact the toxins become more troublesome because now you'll absorb rather than eliminate them.

Oh, and don't be so dramatic (this is likely a sign that you're in bad health), when I read the title I thought you were a woman. You're 33, your best years are just starting.

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Science / Re: Bacteria in gut same as in brain....
« on: November 21, 2018, 06:42:50 pm »
Quote from: PaganGoy on November 21, 2018, 10:16:08 am
https://imgflip.com/i/2n2ufz

Great, so all we're gonna get is mocking for someone who was decades ahead of the rest of the scientists of his time, and who was likely murdered for his contributions, but no recognition that he was on to something.

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Science / Re: Bacteria in gut same as in brain....
« on: November 21, 2018, 01:28:12 am »
In fact AV has said for many years that the whole medical notion that healthy organs and muscle tissue are sterile and devoid of bacteria is mistaken, and that bacteria are crucial for just about every healthy process in our body

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Science / Re: Bacteria in gut same as in brain....
« on: November 20, 2018, 08:31:41 am »
AV had been saying for many years that E.Coli and other bacteria in our intestines feed the brain.

He said high meat helped with that as well.

Some of his most extreme followers have even gotten to the point of occasional coprophagy as a means to acquire vast amounts of these brain feeding bacteria.

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Off Topic / Re: Sprouts - a cheap and healthy way to live on a RVAF diet
« on: November 19, 2018, 10:55:43 pm »
What kind of sprouts did you eat for 6 weeks?

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Off Topic / Re: Sprouts - a cheap and healthy way to live on a RVAF diet
« on: November 19, 2018, 09:58:56 pm »
What confuses me is that he says sprouts generate enzymes that prevent you from digesting nutrients... But fasting for 3-5 days would not kill you...

Unless he meant eating only sprouts but drinking no water either... I think this is probably what he meant.

Either way, I don't think it's meaningless that you only made it 1 day on only sprouts

When I was doing a vegan diet back in 2010, I regularly ate raw sprouts but I found I could only handle a small amount and mixed with other foods, and even then they tasted like soap.

I wouldn't necessarily put a lot of emphasis on what "sproutarians" claim, being that I know of several people who claim to live on sungazing or just air ("breatharians"). I knew one of them personally and he got very thin on his "breatharian" lifestyle. He was faking it to some of his friends and when they weren't there, he'd pig out on high calorie foods.

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Off Topic / Re: Sprouts - a cheap and healthy way to live on a RVAF diet
« on: November 19, 2018, 07:29:05 pm »
2 years and 2 months later...

I finally found a clip where AV talks about sprouts. It was 3 to 5 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKs1LRaW6cg

0:50 to 2:10

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General Discussion / Re: Discussion: At what temperature is food still raw?
« on: October 02, 2018, 07:55:44 pm »
I think it's more of a process. The more heat and the longer the exposure, the less raw it is. It may also vary by the type of food.

Paleo people may have ocasionally eaten sunbaked meat, but we have no reason to assume that they would set meat out to bake in the sun on purpose.

It makes more sense to take the carcass in the shade where it's more comfortable on a hot sunny day.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: 3 Weeks into the primal diet from aj, feeling great
« on: October 02, 2018, 07:34:51 pm »
Quote from: norawnofun on September 28, 2018, 02:35:40 am
Who do you mean with AJ? AV like Aajonus V.? If him, then he promoted Kefir and that has nothing to do with a normal grains. It´s a type of mushroom. I drank homemade kefir daily for many months from different milks, but I do think that it does not promote weight gain. More of the opposite I found.

Early on he recommended kefir, but I suspect it had more to do with the fact that kefir makes milk ferment in a way that is more palatable for most people.

Later on he said he found some non-compatible bacteria and he stopped recommending kefir fermentation of milk. He'd either suggest leaving milk out to ferment on it's own, or adding a little honey, or (and this will sound shocking for most) using a little saliva or chewed up cheese from a previous batch.

When using kefir grains, I'd always worry about them being grown in pasteurized milk. I haven't been able to find kefir grains that have been grown in only raw milk for many years.

One other advantage of the kefir is that it's a reliable fermentation method for getting rid of most of the lactose. And of course you can make kefir cheese out of it as well.

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Primal Diet / Re: AVOID rainwater drinking
« on: September 30, 2018, 09:28:22 pm »
Interesting idea.

Underground water might also be unsafe if there are fracking operations nearby.

Unfortunately I don't see any way to get around this other than regular testing. But then again, as I understand it, testing isn't very useful if you don't know what particular contaminant you're looking for.

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General Discussion / Re: What Does the Bible Say About Eating Vegetables?
« on: September 30, 2018, 01:50:11 am »
It says a lot about eating lots of fruits, vegetables/herbs and grain, particularly bread. Some have hypothesized that they actually meant meat when they said bread back then.

It also talks about which animals you should eat and which you shouldn't.

For example:

You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.
However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you.
The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

-Deuteronomy 14:6-8, NIV

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Primal Diet / Re: Did AV dye his hair?
« on: September 29, 2018, 08:06:08 am »
Quote from: van on September 27, 2018, 04:04:43 am
AV's stories are simply preposterous.   Reminds me of someone stoned out exaggerating on and on to garnish attention at a party..   People make all sorts of claims about teeth that have grown back.  You'll only know if this is true when you see for yourself, in yourself or another who you know the details on.  For WAP to have witnessed this phenomenon he would have had to of been there for the entire length of time ( from the adult tooth having come out to the new adult adult tooth coming in).  I got the impression he was constantly traveling from 'tribe' to tribe, county to country...

sabertooth has also said that he had small cavities that re-enameled on a raw diet

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw Milk Adjusting Period?
« on: September 29, 2018, 07:56:13 am »
Quote from: surfsteve on September 28, 2018, 10:33:47 pm
Raw cows milk is designed for cows. Humans should only be drinking raw breast milk. Good luck in finding any willing participants!

With that reasoning we should not eat any farmed meats, fruits or vegetables either.

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Health / Re: Disturbing Urine
« on: September 29, 2018, 12:03:49 am »
If a particular food gives you a particular bad reaction, that doesn't necessarily mean that the food is bad for you. It could be the opposite. If the food is promoting a detox, and the symptom is the manifestation of that detox, you could be doing yourself a favor by consuming the food that causes the issue.

And then to add a chemical made in a lab that makes the symptom go away, could just be preventing the detox.

And if it wasn't a detox but a toxic reaction of some sort, the chemical making it disappear could also be bad, as it could be making you continue to eat something you're not supposed to.

More to the point - highly acidic urine screams detox to me, but a doctor would probably call it urinary tract infection, and give you antibiotics to kill it.

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