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Hot Topics / Re: Vegan couple drove son to death
« on: November 27, 2019, 11:18:04 pm »
On the raw, palaeolithic diet front, when that courageous  raw-meat-eating Southern(?) couple went on that Wifeswap TV series, switching with that black, urban,  middle-class couple, the moronic public went hysterical and some utter sadists tried to get the police to arrest the white parents  for child abuse, but the local police pointed out at the time that  the children, fed on a raw-meat/raw milk diet were actually very healthy, so there was no reason to denounce them.

This is good, however due to bad genetics, toxicity buildup from prior unhealthy lifestyles, damage from medications or other medical procedures, etc, it could happen that they weren't healthy. Or they could be in an accident and die, and get their deaths blamed on diet and lifestyle somehow.

Or worse, they could be healthy but the gov agents can claim they aren't.

Hot Topics / Re: Vegan couple drove son to death
« on: November 27, 2019, 09:39:46 pm »
The problem I have with this is, babies die all the time, there's no way to know if it was a particular diet or raising environment that caused it, or if the parents were just unlucky. To punish parents based on such a development is result-oriented, even if I personally believe that a vegan diet is quite unhealthy. Lots of other things are unhealthy too, but they don't put people in jail for that, nor should they.

If this had been a couple of poor, black drug addicts, instead of being upper middle class whites, and fed the baby an even less nutritious vegan diet of only sugar, vegetable oil and wheat flour-based products, they wouldn't have faced charges for this.

Clearly, something can't be a crime or not based on how much money you have, what race you belong to, or what belief system you hold.

What's more, if the State gets to do this in this case, then they can do the same or even worse in any number of cases where they determine, at their sole discretion, what sort of diet or lifestyle is the one you should use to raise your kids. At that point then your kids are no longer yours, they belong to the State. That is a very dangerous situation. Imagine that some vegan activists grab a hold of the State apparatus after that, what will happen to everyone else who believes vegan diets are not good for their kids?

Hot Topics / WHO forced to admit more polio from vaccines than wild virus
« on: November 27, 2019, 09:30:38 pm »
Shocking acknowledgement from the WHO re: African countries

Ahh, the great UK, where stealing a bicycle gets you a £25 fine, and bringing your own food to eat in public gets you a £600 fine because somebody didn't like to see you eating it.

PS: Did anyone else found it hilarious how that pathetic woman was telling sv3 that he was "upsetting" her mentally challenged, clearly psychopathic "son"?

PS2: sv3 and his friend did leave following that incident, so what the court claimed about them being unwilling to leave when "asked" isn't true.

* ----> Stealing is not a problem in the UK

I wonder how much of this has to do with pesticides, herbicides and damaged genetics in the foods from transgenics and the like.

Off Topic / Re: Vegans and others appropriating the raw palaeo label
« on: April 05, 2019, 03:01:06 am »
Well the first search result for raw paleo is for a peanut-based protein bar

Funny, since peanuts are rarely if ever eaten raw, due to fear of a toxic fungus as well as a strong unpleasant flavor, and I would bet those are nowhere near raw.

We don't know if it was the parasites that killed him or if the parasites were eating toxic parts of his body and then he died.

Also, there is no reason to expect this to happen to paleo / primal dieters with any degree of likelihood, as the cases are minimal if they exist at all.

Chances are he was a cooked food eater, and likely not the best kinds of cooked food.

Plenty of studies have used tapeworms and other intestinal parasites both in humans and other animals, to treat several illnesses with great success.

« on: March 29, 2019, 08:32:07 am »
Hopefully they will win.

It's really not the way because being fair, if the flight workers don't like the air they can quit, but for passengers, we have no other choice but to use air travel for international trips, as other means of transport have all but been made illegal, to funnel all traffic through airports, where governments can exercise better control.

Hot Topics / Re: Plastic bottles topic
« on: March 28, 2019, 10:43:57 am »
I suppose you've also stopped making high meat in plastic containers?

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:29:27 pm »
Just equivocation as chewing is not the same as juicing.

It's about the same if you discard the pulp after pressing and drinking the juice.

Besides, non-herbivores have no reason to chew plant foods.They simply don't have all the teeth necessary for thet.

Nonsense, I can chew plenty of plant foods easily even though my my teeth and gums are far from being in optimal health condition.

GCB was not perfect and did indeed recommend sweet fruits himself and even recommend against raw meats at one time, but his actual Instincto philosophy of eating only via taste/instinct is correct.

He arbitrarly claims some foods are non initial even though similar versions would've existed in the wild, and supports others that wouldn't have. And again, the whole notion that humans in the wild would have a whole buffet of hundreds of wildly different foods that grow in entirely different seasons and climates to choose from, at every single moment of every single day, 365 days a year, and that our instincts would be geared towards optimally consuming such foods, is ludicrous.

The claim re people eventually only eating raw sweet fruits is nonsense

I didn't say only sweet fruits. I said very high amounts. Go in the wild and tell me how many supersweet, mostly seedless, ripe fruits you find, and how many months a year does that happen and in what amounts you find them.

OH, and I stillf ar prefer the taste of raw fruit juices than any raw veggie-juices, even things like cucumber etc.(I have tried a large number of variations over time).

Of course you do, and it's still completely unnatural.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 06:59:45 am »
GCB in his wisdom banned raw veggie juice in the first place as juicing is a process and he only recommended unprocessed foods. GCB was nothing like AV, imo.

He was full of contradictions, claiming for instance that chewing a vegetable, drinking the juice and discarding the pulp was somehow unnatural, even though plenty of people have the natural instinct to do just that.

He was also unaware that our instincts were developed for a completely different set of circumstances, one where food wasn't as widely available and where the choice wasn't just to eat one thing or another as a wealthy person, but whether to eat at all or not. He also fails to recognize that super sweet fruit is very rare in nature, and even mildly sweet fruit is only available seasonally, except in the tropics and up the trees where monkeys and birds and squirrels and bats get it far before we are able to. He also fails to recognize that shipping fruit from all over the world, all year round, to your doorstep anytime you want by just pressing a button, is completely unnatural also.

If you follow GCB's philosophy entirely, like AV warned, you will find yourself eating larger and larger amounts of highly sweet fruit, which is completely unnatural and doesn't lead to long-term health.

In any case, what I meant is that in your juice experiment, you juiced vegetables that you would never have been able to chew yourself, and then you probably forced yourself to drink the juice even though it didn't taste good at all, and forced yourself to drink way more than your body could handle. AV's recommendations towards juicing would make a juice mixture that you would be able to chew yourself if you had the time and energy and had good healthy teeth / gums / jaw. AV Also said never to gulp anything, including juice, but to sip it instead, giving your body time to assess the effects and quantities, and to properly utilize the nutrients. Sipping mimics the rate at which the juice would be consumed if you were chewing the vegetables yourself.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 04:20:02 am »
You fail to recognize that AV's advice regarding juicing is actually pretty similar to GCB's philosophy. Mild tasting vegetables make up the bulk of the juice for a reason. If you take a bunch of really strong tasting vegetables that you would never be able to chew on your own due to how awful they would taste, and juice them, then drink the juice forcing yourself to ignore the strong bitter or pungent taste, and have way more of it than your body is able to handle, then yes you're going to have problems.

Don't blame AV for what you did because it's completely different to what AV suggested, and he even warned that many people made that mistake.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 01:21:02 am »
You can claim whatever you want, but don't say AV's advise regarding veggie juice is bad when you did exactly what he said not to do, in larger amounts than he recommended, and got the results he said you would get by doing what you did.

In synthesis, your juice was too strong and you had too much of it. Of course you were going to have issues.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 12:06:55 am »
Juicing exerts far more pressure and really cuts into the cell-membranes, thus releasing more antinutrients/nutrients than chewing. Bear also in mind that we do not have the kind of chewing power re teeth etc. that herbivores like sheep do.

Our teeth, jaws, tongue etc, if in optimal condition are perfectly capable of "juicing" most vegetables. I don't think you're talking about slow masticating juicers when you say they exert a lot more pressure or cut deeper into cell membranes.

Back in my PD group days, I used to encounter a large number of Primal Dieters who would consume more than a pint a day of raw veggie juice.

Per day yes, per sitting no. Even in his recipe book from 2002 he recommended as little as 1/4th of a pint per sitting, 3 times a day, and 3/4ths per sitting as the absolute maximum for people who needed more. And later on he started recommending even smaller amounts of juice in general.

As regards the veg I used for raw veggie juice, it was a wide choice of carrots, radishes, but mostly greener veg like kale cucumber or whatever. It was a long time ago, so memory isn't great. I will agree that I never had issues with raw fruit juices.

That's not how AV recommended to mix your juices and in fact he strictly said not to do that. Cucumber is the only one out of all those which you should have a large amount of in your juices. And he said you should never juice fruits, except in small amounts and for particular formulas, as that makes the sugars rush into your bloodstream too fast.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:08:49 pm »
A slow juicer is rather more extreme than chewing re pressure . Besides, most people don't spend ages chewing plant foods.

I don't see how it's more extreme, and plenty of people, myself included, have the natural instinct to chew vegetables like celery or carrots, drink the juice and discard the pulp.

Re my raw veggie juice experience:- I had 1 pint of raw veggie juice a day for several days - I also tried other times when I drank less a day or more a day, but not all at the same time .

What combinations and amounts of vegetables did the juice consist of?

And were you aware that AV never recommended more than 1/4th to 3/4ths of a pint as the absolute maximum per sitting?

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:16:18 pm »
AV was often wrong and not in tune with the real experiences of most RVAFers. In the case of raw veggie juice, DPL is, of course, wrong. Juicing breaks down the cell-walls , thus making not only the nutrients but also the antinutrients  in raw vegetables far more bioavailable.

How is a slow masticating juicer like the greenstar any different in this regard than chewing? I know you're not a fan of chewing meats extensively but surely you don't think the same about fibrous plants like celery?

Incidentally, I got diarrhea, too, after consuming raw veggie-juice.

What did your juice consist of and how much did you drink?

And was that the only time in your life you had diarrhea?

And how do you know it wasn't a detox?

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 06:45:35 am »
Alright. I used to manage a cold pressed juicery, and in hindsight now I know why some of my clients would report that they would  get diarrhea from the straight veggie juices. I don’t intend to drink raw green juices anyway.

Most people mix their juices wrong. They put too much sweet root/bulb vegetables like carrots, beets, or they put sweet fruits in there, or too many dark strong leafy greens like kale that should only be used minimally if at all.

AV suggested some raw veggie juices for detoxification for everybody except ex-vegetarians/vegans or very long-term raw animal based dieters with optimal health, living in pristine environments and with few accumulated toxins in their bodies.

The way to properly mix a veggie juice is to make most of it out of mild tasting vegetables and bland fruits, such as celery and cucumber (peeled, always). I also like swiss chard, it's a lot like celery because of the thick juicy stems.

I would like to ask you, do you think completely fasting for the day would be a good idea in situations like this? So as to give the body a way to properly process every bit of food without the constant ingestion of more food throughout the day? I thought of perhaps consuming only liquids, such as milk and eggs, and postponing the consumption of  meat and other solid foods. Either that or just carry on with my regular routine?

No, I don't think fasting is a good idea and AV thought it was a terrible idea. To quote him, "every time you spend more than 4hs without eating, your cells start cannibalizing each other". He even suggested sleeping with small pieces of ground meat or organs next to your bed so you can wake up in the middle of the night, have your snack and continue sleeping. I'm not nearly this extreme about it, but that's what he thought. And he's someone that experimented heavily with long term fasting.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 04:58:46 am »
  Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.

Those antinutrients would be released when eating the vegetables normally as well. Plenty of people have the natural instinct to chew vegetables, drink the juice and discard the pulp. Using a juicer just speeds up the process and makes it easier if you have bad teeth. Also, not all juicing methods break up cell walls or introduce oxygen equally.

Finally, AV recommended no more than 3/4ths of a pint per sitting as the absolute maximum.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 04:55:59 am »
Are you recommending vegetable juices with little to no fiber, and more watery, such as the case of cucumber? Or literally any vegetable?

What do you mean, little to no fiber? You mean little to no cellulose? Then yes. There's plenty of fiber in any plant foods, including cucumber.

Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 03:44:38 am »
AV had little to say regarding constipation except that it can take many years to solve this problem, sometimes decades.

He had many suggestions in his books, I don't know if you've read them.

He also said parasites can be very helpful here.

Personally I just eat more bland fruits for fiber, even though AV didn't recommend that.

One thing you might be lacking is vegetable juice. Even though the juicing process gets rid of a lot of the fiber, it doesn't get rid of all. And AV did blend in a little whole cucumber (or zuccini?) with his juice for extra fiber.

Off Topic / Re: World's most polluted cities
« on: March 06, 2019, 03:40:15 am »
Notice they only looked at these 62 cities, there is no data on other cities in the same countries or other cities in other countries.

I also wonder if the methodology is correct... They're only looking at parts per million of a given particle size, but make no distinctions as to the toxicity of said particles. They also don't care about particles of other sizes, no matter how toxic.

In my experience... Tomatoes, avocados, onions or other spicy vegetables in small amounts, coconut, lemon juice (be careful with tooth enamel erosion if having a lot), sweet red bell peppers, and pretty much anything else that is not a leafy green or otherwise highly alcalinizing like celery, as long as you have only moderate or small amounts and the meal contains enough fats.


A group of 50 hamsters was infected with leishmaniasis, then separated into two groups. One group received the conventional treatment of intravenous injections of Sodium stibogluconate (pentostam) and took 12-16 weeks to heal. The other group received daily topical application of raw honey, and took 4 weeks to heal.

AV suggested raw honey application for all sorts of skin conditions and lesions, for many decades before studies such as this came out.

It's true that raw honey has been known to have healing properties on the skin for millenia, but the medical industry has largely ignored, minimized or ridiculed this ancestral knowledge, in favor of chemical pharmaceutical drugs.

Off Topic / Re: UK Animal Rights
« on: March 03, 2019, 04:03:49 am »
These are insane terrorists and it's only a matter of time before their tactics become deadly, and before they start targeting all meat producers, sellers, and consumers, no matter how natural.

Animal rights are a contradiction in terms and must necessarily lead to this kind of thing. Animals are property.

In time these terrorist will gain control of the State, and then they can incrementally make all meat illegal.

The only benefits I would grant are social, taste related, long-term food preservation, to help keep warm in the winter, and for stopping detoxes. Also the allowing of consuming unnatural foods to provent starvation.

I think most if not all of the so-called "benefits" of nutrient availability are just a way for you to absorb something you're not supposed to, or worse, absorb something in a way that is chemically altered and harmful.

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