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chill out huh?   ok looks like you still think I'm stressed out over this.  Whatever.   But know well i will still call bullshit when I see it here.
  For yes, for people to heal themselves they do need to learn to trust themselves versus some mythical ideology.   Dude, this is not about raw meat being good or bad.  This is a raw meat forum.

call it what you will.  my only point in my continual posting re. AV is for others here, not for you, but mostly newcomers, to not blindly follow his exaggerated stories and suggestions.  'We' want to  believe there is some ultimate answer, and that is the advantage AV used in gathering followers.  All the time coming up with some theory or concoction that only he could deliver.   And if you choose to believe how many times he almost died of this or that and couldn't even walk... that's your choice.   

It's funny how Tyler agrees that the problem is the cooking when it comes to raw foods he likes, but when it comes to dairy he refuses to see that the data he's referencing is derived purely from cooked sources.

On topic: Despite Van's views on glycation, In my personal experience, a high fat, cooked, very low carb diet combined with vigorous exercise is dangerous to the heart and will cause blockages, even moreso than a diet where you have both fats and sugar.

you had blockages?

if they ate honey and beaver fat 2-3 times a day like most westerners eat fat and carbs do, I doubt they would not have problems.

does not have to be cooked   glycation will happen with raw too

go ahead, believe your thoughts, and kick your dog.  It's ok, he won't feel it. 

'animals cannot suffer'..  You've obviously never had a pet, or been around animals on a farm or opened your eyes and other senses, or have developed compassion for anything other than your thoughts.    I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your persistant insisting, but can you accept that others here care about the animals that they eat?  And if so, can we leave it at that.

this ranting is going on too long.  It's obvious you don't care how animals may or may not suffer for your health benefits.   Can we just leave it at that.  The rest appears to be simply verbiage wasted. 
    If you want to worry about rebels killing those who eat meat, great, go ahead. But please don't dilute the concept of raising animals in a humane way, or in a fashion that allows that animal to not suffer.  Pretty simple concept to me as I've done it for years.

well said   thanks

'you' can advocate for animals being raised humanely and then eat them.  Rights?  different story.  That concept lies in the mind, and thus also in the mind of the farmer or rancher and how he or she decides to treat his flock or herd.  AND anyone who chooses anything other than a humanely raised animal for food. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Safe Stool Frequency
« on: February 04, 2019, 04:54:54 am »
cut it up first

Off Topic / Re: Can Raw Paleo help in overcoming Drinking Addiction?
« on: February 01, 2019, 10:39:29 am »
find your way to a place inside yourself where you love yourself enough to quit doing harm to yourself

  the answer is inside not outside   but You already know that

Off Topic / Re: New Canadian food guide says eat even less meat
« on: January 30, 2019, 07:43:01 am »
amazing considering he came from the vegan world.  Another one though who can't get hydrated from water.  Must have read AV's book.

Primal Diet / Re: Raw dairy fat versus raw dairy protein digestion
« on: January 29, 2019, 01:36:07 pm »
next time I watch a presentation or read about it I will. 

Primal Diet / Re: Raw dairy fat versus raw dairy protein digestion
« on: January 29, 2019, 09:08:53 am »
I'm fully aware of the effects of honey.  That is why I'm discussing it, so that Others will not take at face value statements like honey is different than sugar.    It is very easy to Want to use honey all the time.  Glycation ( which it appears you have little interest in, maybe because AV didn't understand or know of it) and the effects of continuously inducing glycated molecules are cumulative, they show up over time, not after eating aone meal experiment. 
    Simply put there is evolving science easily available on the internet that goes beyond AV's  home remedies.  One just needs to look, if they are interested. 

Primal Diet / Re: Raw dairy fat versus raw dairy protein digestion
« on: January 29, 2019, 07:58:03 am »
well there you have it, up to seven tablespoons.   And if you're eating any fat during the day you can expect glycation.  Reject the comment or look into the science if curious.

Primal Diet / Re: Raw dairy fat versus raw dairy protein digestion
« on: January 29, 2019, 06:33:01 am »
'we' like to think that honey is special and doesn't act like sugar in the body.  Get a blood glucose monitor to test that theory.    He wrote that whenever he traveled butter and honey always accompanied him on the plane. I don't remember the ratio having just a 'tiny' bit of honey, maybe you can easily find the quote..  My guess is that wasn't the only time he consumed it.  For I keep reading from you, honey with this and that.   He loved his honey and butter, and now I guess it's with cheese too, 'as one can't digest dry cheese without it.'

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 06:29:02 am »
you're mixing cooked food with the added junk seed oils, copious amounts of corn syrup and truckloads of highly processed grains playing havoc with blood sugar and insulin levels causing entire body inflammation.
   I have friends whos dogs and cats live as long as mine on cooked foods.  I'm not saying raw isn't better, just that a cooked diet that stays away from JUNK foods is what healthy societies have eaten for eons.  Look at the,  I believe Mexican, long distance mountain runners who live on cooked grains and beans primarily with some meat thrown in,  they run into their middle ages.   
   I am saying specifically that JUNK in the diet is far more detrimental than cooked food.  And to be very specific;  the combination of JUNK fat with JUNK sugar is most likely the biggest killer out there.
   Pottenger's cats:  a limited diet as he fed where those two foods Could have been overly processed in the case of the heated versions might only tell us that certain nutrients were nullified by heat to the point that deficiencies were created, that would have been sorted out had other cooked foods been eaten along with.    Just like the aforementioned Mexican runners: take out either the beans or the grains and they most likely would have perished.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 02:59:47 am »
All of the studies he did, together encompass around 900 cats total. Only a fraction of which were on 100% cooked for 4 generations straight. This is a small sample size and it's perfectly possible that all of them were unable to adapt to cooked foods. However, when you take a sample of hundreds of millions of cats, and slowly introduce them to cooked foods in incremental stages, there is the possibility for mutations that enable them to better handle cooked food to arise. And those are the ones that survived and are today able to survive a 100% processed, commercial cat food diet. They don't thrive though, they have plenty of disease problems still. They just manage to survive and reproduce before the illnesses kills them.

What does that have to do with anything?

yes, you can create explanations, still sounds quite suspicious to me.     

the comment on pro athletes;  we tend to put too much value on raw.  animals and peoples can do just fine on cooked, especially when not eating junk. 

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 26, 2019, 02:15:07 pm »
your logic is only partially sound to me.  he said that they couldn't reproduce.  But they have reproduced for generations extremely well.  Do you think most pro athletes grew up on predominantly raw food?   The examples I could give are many. 

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 26, 2019, 10:45:23 am »
I'm not saying animals don't live healthier eating raw, but Pottengers' study seems flawed to me in that 95 percent or higher of cats in the US eat Only cooked diets and live respectable lives in terms of health and go on and have little reproductive issues, contrary to what Pottenger is trying to point out.   What am I missing here?
   IF,,  I'm not missing some important key factor, may I then point out how eager we can be to want to believe in the 'magic' of raw, as if it's going to save us from death.

   *All my pets have eaten entirely raw forever

Health / Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« on: January 26, 2019, 12:58:18 am »
You're not going to prove your point with insinuations.  I can read and did read your comment.  Let's move on.

Health / Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« on: January 25, 2019, 02:55:51 pm »
again, that's one of my criticisms of 'gurus' like AV, as he convinces his followers that they are polluted and hence can feed them advice ( at a cost when consulting ) as to how to purify themselves...  For each year you ate cooked..... And obviously, this is in the forefront of your brain.    that is why I tried to give you an example of eating RAW, that's RAW sticky sweet fruit just before bed for a couple of months and check out the health of your teeth and gums.   Where's the detox here?  It is simply sugars feeding sugar eating oral bacteria creating acidic excrement that will colonize under your gums, form pockets, and demineralize your teeth.    You'll probably argue that most people who try to live on fruit and lose their teeth were simply detoxing and when through detoxing ( for every year that they ate cooked.... ) they will grow new teeth when their bodies are purified. 
     So if you're 25, my guess,  AV will have you hooked with his detox formula for the next 24 years.

  I'm not interested in this topic anymore, and my guess is that you are tired of trying to spell it out for me.   Lets move on please.

Health / Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« on: January 24, 2019, 07:38:35 am »
when you sleep or nap your saliva flow ( for many ) is reduced, hence the flushing of accumulating bacteria is reduced dramatically. And the alkaline potential to neutralize acidic bacterial excrement is diminished as well as remineralizing dentin.   Bacteria multiply on average every ten minutes, so you can do the math for several hours.   
    I really don't know what you mean by detox.  Eat a  handful of dates or sticky sugary raw fruit just before retiring for several months and see how healthy your gums and teeth will be then.   Sugar is sugar.  Some people just produce more healthy oral bacteria to counteract the proliference of unhealthy types, and also produce more flushing saliva to rinse away sugars before they can feed bacteria in the mouth.

Health / Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« on: January 23, 2019, 02:14:17 pm »
I get it, everything he says you believe.   But maybe you'll  dig a little deeper,,    there is nothing protective about acid producing plaque and the noxious bacteria that spawn into the gums and create pockets, destroy bone, and eventually cause tooth  loss, let alone decay/carries. 

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