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Health / Re: Thoughts on appendicitis and appendix removal
« on: Today at 04:10:36 am »
Don´t fall into the scaremongering of docs. All organs are important. Removing any of them because they think it can cause problems is a game I wouldn´t play. A friend of mine got his thyroid removed, because docs scared him that there could be some problem, turns out thyroid was actually fine but well, now it´s gone and he has to take lifelong medication. Great job!

Coming back to the appendix, I had around 3 times pain and tension in that area while doing my carnivore diet. That was always when I drank some wine the night before, plus green tea during the day, and then a proper fatty meal the next day. The pain was slight and lasted for a couple of seconds, initially I got concerned but I thought that it´s just my body adapting to carnivore. Only recently I noticed that the wine wasn´t the issue, but the combination with green tea and later wine. So that caused an issue for the fella down there. I mean you can always check it out, don´t ignore it. I remember the youtuber vegetable police mentioned recently (did carnivore as well), that after a longer water fast (which he broke with a raw egg), his appendix started to cause big issues, had to go to ER where they wanted to remove it, told him he´ll die otherwise, turns out he is fine but the issue was caused by a mesh that was implanted there by docs years ago. That messed up the appendix and now he want´s to take that mesh out. 

They are doing stem cell treatment in Scotland, I know of somebody that went there to get something regrown and replaced, i think it was something around the knee, not an organ, but I forgot. So if something is removed you MIGHT have the possibility to get it back, but then again I don´t know how far they can go at this stage, and where the limitations currently are. Either way, don´t be the guinea pig of docs.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: Today at 03:47:54 am »
Im curious about your total daily macro intake norawnofun? This is an impressive number of calories from dairy alone. What else do you eat and how often do you train?

I never track my macros, don´t care much about that tbh. I do almost daily simple youtube exercise, no proper work-out. No time really. During my half a year carnivore experiment (still counting) I was eating meats such as beef, chicken and home cured bacon. Plus eggs, raw goat cheese and raw goat milk mainly, plus joghurt if i didnt have raw dairy. I stopped lamb. I did a 2 day water fast now, broke it today with beef, lard and an egg. The goal is to no longer do dairy until my stomach acid is back to how it was years ago. I noticed that digestion was easier without dairy today, time will tell. I´m also curious about my tartar, if that will go away. I got a lot when I ate pasteurized joghurt. Another issue was the goat dairy, it used to do me well initially, but cow dairy is way better for me. Goat milk is more alkaline, I think that was the problem as I drank it with every acidic meat meal. Plus, AV used to say that goat milk is good for obese and sluggish people, and cow is for underweight and kinda nervous ppl. In my case he was right about that. Plus its not fatty enough. Therefore I concluded goat is useless to me, for vegans it might be a good addition to their plant based diet but not for me.

The plan is incorporate more steaks, since I always ate ground due to low HCI, have more tougher meats and try liver and bone marrow (raw) again. And have butter plus hard cheeses (since some like parmigiano romano contain 0 carbs) I want my stomach acid to be top notch again. And I think the carbs in dairy was hindering that. Used to have issues with butter, but no longer I found. I think the carnivore diet gave me back certain things to digest saturated fats again.

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: January 13, 2019, 04:19:06 am »
Thanks for ur inputs. I would like to try and go the non-dairy route to see of any improvements. So far, things were only going uphill since carnivore, but I think you can always improve things. And being a slave to dairy ain´t no fun. I´m way too dependent on that and I want it to stop. And because I want more mental clarity, but if your digestion is blocked then you don´t have that. Therefore dairy up until now was the only way to somewhat have a good digestion and stay a bit focused. I did fasts only twice. Once a juice fast for 5 days, and once a broth fast for 1 and a half days. Nearly passed out on the broth, never attempted that again. I don´t like fasts because you loose weight, and every kilo counts for me. But I guess I have no choice if I want to turn things around and get the stomach acid back to its origin. Or I do it very slowly. Cut out more and more dairy, replace it with fat, eat very small portions. I also think that the goat dairy I have is pretty much hindering things, since its more alkaline. When I have cow milk things are going much better since its acidic and fattier.

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: January 11, 2019, 06:52:30 pm »
When I am abroad I have a liter of cow with each meal, 2-3 times a day, because I have access to it and its cheap.. When I am at home I have a big glass of goat with every meal, 2-3 times a day. There is 1 main reasons why I consume so much dairy, because it aids digestion, clabbered is best. The higher fat content the better, so I prefer cow than goat. But at home I can´t get organic cow, so I stick to the watery goat. Also the goat is super expensive and sourcing, regardless of what type of raw dairy is mostly a pain in the a. Especially if you are out and about. Meat u get everywhere. And if I don´t get raw, I need to stick to pasteurized, which messes up my teeth. Goat doesnt really have the ability to increase my weight, but cow does. So yes, another reason why I consume dairy is because I can gain weight. And as you said, dependancy is a big problem.

The ideal case is that I can eat more fatty cuts of meat, but the problem is I can´t digest them yet, as my stomach acid is still not strong enough, plus I need a ratio of about 60 fat to 40 protein or more, otherwise digestion is bad. Ideally I would eat cheap fatty cuts, or osso buco which has the bone marrow included, together with some lard or tallow. Raw fat is too hard to digest and where I live there are no healthy animals around. So the only way would be the osso and the fatty cuts, or homemade bacon in extra fat. I´d like to phase out dairy a bit, by eating less dairy but with higher fat content, like butter.

How did you achieve turning away from dairy and how did your body take it? You just stopped all of a sudden? And how was your digestion? Sabertooth said to go on a 2 day water fast to possibly reset the microbiome. Did you do something like that?

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: January 11, 2019, 04:52:03 am »
@van How did you manage to steer away from dairy? I´d like to try it but it seems very hard.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 09, 2019, 06:25:11 am »
Since I eat a lot of raw dairy and find it very important for my wellbeing, I started to look at the calcium issue that you posted in this link. It is indeed very interesting. Then I had a look at the recommended daily calcium intake, which seems to be 1000-1200mg per day, which equals around a liter of raw milk per day

Whenever I am abroad I drink a liter of raw cows milk from (IMO) predominantly older A2 breeds with every meat meal, which means 2-3 times a day. Sometimes I drink more in between. To each meal I eat around 250 grams of raw cheese. So to summarize I have 3 liters of milk, plus 750g of cheese. So my daily calcium intake is 1200mgx3 + another lets say 1200x3 from the cheese. = 7200mg daily intake. When I am at home, I have less goat dairy but it seems that the calcium content is higher, so i might have a similar intake. Considering the fact that milk has vitamin D in it, the absorption should be ok. Then comes the calcium to phosphorus ratio (Ca/P), cows milk seems to be slightly higher than goat More on that below. Either way, thinking about it I have a extremely high daily calcium intake, so I thought if I should be concerned. But then I had a look at this:

What all the studies show is that the amount of calcium you excrete depends on more than just how much protein you eat. The amounts of phosphorus and magnesium in your diet, for instance, play a significant role. But even more importantly, there's simply a lot of normal variation in the amount of calcium individuals absorb from their food—some people just absorb more than others, for reasons researchers still don't understand. In fact, your ability to absorb calcium from your food is probably more important to your bone health than the total amount of calcium you take in.3

Results from the long-running Framingham Osteoporosis Study, also published in 2000, showed that eating a diet high in protein has a protective effect on your bones as you age. Among the 615 elderly people in the study, the ones who ate the most protein had the strongest bones, while the ones who ate the least protein had the weakest bones. And over the four-year study period, the people who ate the least protein lost significantly more bone mass than the people who ate the most protein. The connection held up regardless of age, weight, smoking habits, calcium intake and even estrogen use.6

More good news came in March 2002, when an important study showed that the combination of a high protein intake and calcium and vitamin D supplements significantlyslows bone loss in older adults. The double-blind study followed nearly 350 sixty-five-year-old men and women over a three-year period. All the participants ate their usual diet, but half were also randomly assigned to take a supplement containing vitamin D and 500 milligrams of calcium, while the others took a dummy pill. Neither the participants nor the researchers knew which group they were in. At the end of three years, the researchers found that among the people taking the calcium and vitamin D supplements, the ones who ate the most protein had the strongest bones and also absorbed the most calcium. Among the people taking the dummy pills, there was no connection between the amount of protein in the diet and the amount of bone loss.

What do all these studies show? They show that when a high-protein diet is combinedwith high calcium intake, calcium absorption is increased and bones stay stronger.

And here

But as your body digests protein, it releases acids into the bloodstream, which the body neutralizes by drawing calcium from the bones. Following a high-protein diet for a few weeks probably won’t have much effect on bone strength. Doing it for a long time, though, could weaken bone. In the Nurses’ Health Study, for example, women who ate more than 95 grams of protein a day were 20 percent more likely to have broken a wrist over a 12-year period when compared to those who ate an average amount of protein (less than 68 grams a day). (13) But this area of research is still controversial, and findings have not been consistent. Some studies suggest increasing protein increases risk of fractures; others associate high-protein diets with increased bone mineral density. It is still unclear what level of protein intake provides the best protection against osteoporosis, and more research is needed.

I found quite some people which do a carnivore diet and eat/drink lots of raw dairy, and it seems to do them very well, like me. They heal all kinds of things. Now when looking at the above one could possibly conclude that a carnivore diet, which consists of a very high intake of animal protein, needs a very good amount of calcium to counterbalance the calcium excretion by eating a good amount of raw dairy or animal foods high in calcium.

So basically one could think that a high raw dairy intake on carnivore is no problem, but it is a problem when you eat a normal low animal protein diet, like many "normal" people do, as the general consent is that animal protein is unhealthy and vegetables, whole grains and fruit are better. Then you might be in trouble. None of the links posted from some of you take a high animal protein diet such as carnivore into account. So then it´s normal that many westerners drink lots of milk, but then have big issues like osteoporosis later, because of low meat consuption, as I think that vegetables are useless for calcium intake.

And if you now say that there is no different between raw milk and pasteurized milk in terms of (Ca/P) ratio and absorption, I recommend looking into this study: There are, for example, HUGE differences between dried and raw milk. I also noticed that when I eat pasteurized joghurt, my bones sometimes crack, and I get tartar. So there is no way that somebody can tell me that raw milk and heat-treated milk is the same. So all these amazing studies showing how bad milk can in my optinion, be thrown in the trash!

Off Topic / another famous vegan youtuber stops veganism
« on: January 08, 2019, 06:54:52 am » Who´s next? We should do some bets  ;D

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: January 08, 2019, 05:33:18 am »
Your point regarding oxidation is interesting. It might be fine if its eaten super fresh, but I never tried that. Initially I had thought it might be the A1 cow strains responsible, but I have almost the same issue with goat butter (but pasteurized). Ghee is also digested badly for me. Plus its produced in higher heat, which I don´t like too much. I am thinking now that I could try and force my body to digest it, by eating it more often. That worked with meat. As when I started eating meats again after a plant based diet I had a hard time digesting red meats, now it´s pretty ok. So maybe if you eat something that does not do you too well more often, your body learns how to adapt and digest it.

@madnomad I find raw cultured cream to be the ultimate food. Whole clabbered milk or clabbered cheese does not satisfy me as much, but soured cream is godly. I could eat it none stop, and its also a great digestion aid. I also think that it calms me down, AV praised raw cream a lot for it´s nerve calming effects. He might have been right about that. And your idea is a good one. Cultured butter could give you the strains I need to digest butter again. Worth a try.

Parenting / Re: What are the ideal foods to introduce after lactation
« on: January 07, 2019, 06:21:22 am »
I remember the HG 2 years breastfeeding advice from you and it makes sense. I think beef tartare would be a good start. I also read about the taste of the womb, I think that these preferences may apply for some time, but I don´t think much into older age. It then depends on what you feed your child for the following years. I remember a poster on the carnivore fb forum saying that it was a tradition to eat raw beef balls in his family, and until this day he likes them. How does your father play a role? Did your mum eat aged cheeses and raw oysters when she was pregnant because of him? And as a consequence you liked them up until a certain age?

General Discussion / Re: Melissa Henig, RVAF diet guru
« on: January 07, 2019, 05:31:14 am »
I know the link, but I wanted to know if you have this book and if it´s any good?

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: January 07, 2019, 04:11:27 am »
Do you have any suggestion how to be able to consume butter again? I´d like to eat it again since it´s high in fat and the other things are a bit costly. I can digest milk and cheese from various animals without issues, clabbered milk is the best, also no or little problems with lard, goose fat and tallow, all high in saturated fats, but grassfed/organic butter, raw or pasteurized is hard on me. I don´t really get it.

General Discussion / Re: Melissa Henig, RVAF diet guru
« on: January 07, 2019, 04:02:58 am »
Have you got her recipe book that you mentioned in another post? I thought of maybe getting it. And I think Guru is a bit of an overrated wording. It´s like somebody that knows it all, that we should follow blindly, bend down to and worship. Be your own master.

Parenting / What are the ideal foods to introduce after lactation
« on: January 07, 2019, 02:38:14 am »
Which should be the first foods to be introduced to babies/toddlers? I know they should be soft and mashed, but what types of foods should one give? What do the HG introduce first? Raw milk, cheese, Raw beef (ground)? Or should you start with mashed veggies, like sweet potatoes, potatoes, tomatoes, zucchini? Raw (obviously not sweet potatoes and potatoes) or cooked? Would raw meats be overkill since some bacteria might do more harm than good for a non-fully developed immune system?

General Discussion / Re: Pork - Good or Bad?
« on: December 30, 2018, 06:18:20 am »
I think that a lot of people nowadays dont know how to consume pork. Many get tired or lethargic because they dont know how to prepare it. I also used to get extremely tired after consuming cooked pork. I couldnt stand it for a long time and always thought very negative of it. But if you cure it in salt or an acidic brine as explained here and ur sure it comes from the right source then I think its a great fuel. Pork has the highest fat content of any animal followed by beef, lamb, turkey and chicken. It was a daily staple of the spartans, is consumed by the okinawans and chinese, but they know how to prepare it. Thats the main thing. Its not the pigs fault that it was fed with rubbish and kept in horrible conditions, even in ancient times. Even goats used to contract the so calles maltese fever because they were eating garbage from the streets. And goats have a good rep. Then there are different type of pig breeds, the mangalitza is apparently easier to digest. Lastly I would be careful about religious advice, as tyler pointed out, whenever something was outlawed by a certain religion, it does not necessarily mean that its bad for your health, manipulation has been practiced since ancient times.

General Discussion / Re: Pork - Good or Bad?
« on: December 29, 2018, 07:09:52 am »
Lately I am eating more and more bacon and it seems to be very good for my digestion. However, if it is smoked I have issues, but not when it´s dry cured. I don´t eat pre-packed bacon with all the additives but always get from the pure block. I think that salt cured and later air dried homemade pastured bacon is a great thing. It´s super high in fat, tastes great and is still raw, unless u heat smoke it. However my concern is regarding the Omega 3-6 ratio. If you eat bacon daily you get more omega 6 than 3, but if you let´s say drink a lot of pastured raw milk or beef, which is high in Omega 3, would that counter balance the pork? Another thing that I would like to know is: Does the 3-6 ratio change depending on the feed of the animal? So pastured pork wouldn´t have that high Omega 6 but more 3?

Off Topic / Re: New , unusual food coming to my supermarket
« on: December 25, 2018, 09:52:28 pm »
ur from vienna tyler?

Which type of dairy did you have that made you feel so bad. Raw organic cows milk? And how did you consume it? Fresh, clabbered, cold, heated?

General Discussion / Re: Mineral water causing tooth decay/tartar
« on: December 18, 2018, 05:12:10 am »
I tried it again and some brands seem to do me really unwell. I think the issue might be the composition of the water or the source itself. Last time I tried a nestle bottled mineral water and I felt really shitty and bloated. At home I got a berkey water filter now, but being currently abroad I drink the tap water and it seems to be ok.

Primal Diet / Re: High Meat for Candida
« on: December 13, 2018, 04:10:03 am »
I had the same question some time ago when I finished another batch 2 weeks ago, but in the end, I didn´t bother posting it here. I had done HM in the past and I had a good effect on it when eating it around the evening time, without any other food. It released the blockages I had in my intestines. This recent time, I did a batch of around 6 pieces of ground meat and tried eating it in the morning on an empty stomach, with food and in the eve. I found that morning was a bad idea, i got bloated and didn´t feel too good throught half of the day, also my stool was extremely green, then I ate it with raw dairy and some cooked meat and digestion was a bit better, then i ate it alone again in the eve, digestion wasn´t the best. Basically I was experimenting on these consecutive days. I also thought that I should maybe do a break, not eat it every day. But I thought let´s have it done to maximize the effect, and it did nothing beside causing problems. I too have/had candida (didn´t check my levels lately) and the reason why I wanted to eat it again was due to some of the missing bacteria that I believe I am lacking for optimal digestion. And I thought that maybe the bacteria of HM could battle the bacterial/parasitic imbalance that I think I still have.

Either way I could not reproduce the same effect that I had when I ate chunks a year ago and some month after. I had no energy boost, better concentration what so ever. It could be due to my cooked carnivore diet, as back than I ate more raw meat. One thing that had a very positive kinda cognitive/emotional effect was when I ate clabbered raw goat milk. I found that even better than HM or Kefir. Maybe ground meat is not ideal for HM? I had a harder time digesting ground meat than the chunks back than, which makes no sense. I doubt that the inuit or dogs ground their meat first to eat it "High", so maybe it has to be in one piece for the bacteria to grow as they should?

Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz and HCL
« on: December 11, 2018, 06:12:53 am »
I didn´t really understand all that you wrote, but I kinda got it :) Are we talking about THE Bernard Jensen Iridology guy? So you knew him? Great stuff! And in retrospect, do you think that the goat milk did a good job in healing your health issues? I eat and drink a lot of raw goat milk and cheese, but one thing I found that it´s pretty useless if you want to gain weight.

Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz and HCL
« on: December 10, 2018, 03:29:55 am »
@van why did you actually choose to raise goats back in the days, instead of a cow or sheep?

Off Topic / Re: Vegetable police turned raw carnivore
« on: December 07, 2018, 06:14:12 am »
Whilst it would make more sense to look up or learn from people of a social status or a scientific association, I do believe that every new 'trend' or new diet sometimes needs the gurus, the ideologists or the show-offs, in order for a good idea, such as carnivourism, to spread and become more popular. I strongly doubt that if the German Nutrition Association DGE would do videos on youtube, many people would watch them. Considering that social media is one of the most effective tools to get things across. Instead, you have people like Sv3rige, which through their straightforward and sometimes radical approach, have more powerful abilities to spread "the message" of a good diet, rather than any 'well behaved' person or institution could ever achieve. So after the signal has been received, people will start to do their own research and that would be the time were the DGE or whichever institution has the evidence, should be able to show the scientific facts. Common people will always listen to the 'populists' first. Reasonable people are often considered boring and not worth listening to, at least by the masses. And these are the people that need to be reached.

Off Topic / Re: Vegetable police turned raw carnivore
« on: December 06, 2018, 07:43:31 am »
That is correct. People will start to realize their mistakes, but at the same time a lot of people will fall into the vegan trap and will suffer a lot until they find out what´s going on. But then again you can´t educate people that don´t want to be educated. Sometimes you need to suffer to see the light.

Off Topic / Vegetable police turned raw carnivore
« on: December 06, 2018, 07:17:30 am »
Long term plant based "Vegetable Police" realizes that raw meats were the answer to all his health issues and in a month he will try High liver. Hilarious how so many ex plant based morons go carnivore. One thing I like about him is that he is pretty honest about his thoughts and actions by now, he doesn´t hide that a vegan diet didnt work for him. Some people claim that the world is going vegan, but in reality more and more vegans are turning carnivore.

Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« on: December 03, 2018, 05:46:43 am »
@van how often did you do the probiotic implantation? Was once enough for you?

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