Raw meat digests a whole lot easier and faster than cooked meat.  Plus raw meat gives the liver the nutrients it needs to manufacture good clear bile for digestion.  It's a cycle the cooked food eaters will appreciate when their digestive capacities are depleted from eating cooked meat every single day.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17827047

With raw meat and fat you still have "things" in your colon - I read quite a bit about this "oxypowder" and we don't know all about raw vs. cooked

Nicola

Van, what do the rest of your family eat - do they all sit with you eating raw meat and fat; trying to find out fat and protein rations? You have been doing this since the 1970's; you should know if and what works by now?

Nicola

I don't do badly on large numbers of fruit (or even salad) so don't mind binging on them when I'm surrounded by other RAFers, though I admit that much of the produce(other than what's found in my garden) is nowhere near as good as organic fruit.

What do you mean by doing well on binging fruit and salad? If you eat one meal a day of meat and fat normally (and perhaps a little fruit) and binging on fruit and salad must have some affect on the system that is different to meat and fat. If you compare the two what feels better - gas, bloat, poo, urine, hunger, energy, mental health, sleep...

I don't like the word binging - the body and mind have to deal with it and binging does not result in healthy digestion!

Nicola

I repeat : there is very little quantity of AGEs and ALEs in raw food, even aged for several months, (compared to cooked food), and our body is equipped to deal with this tiny amount of AGEs. So nothing to worry about AGEs as long as you eat raw food, and avoid (or severely limit) carbs.
Pemmican is a great food if the fat is rendered at low temp and the meat is dried at low temp.

I asked Lex a few questions about what this Dr. Mercola mentioned in the link on "Insulin" - one of my questions was "would the glycogen (protein) metabolism produce AGE's"?
 

Of course it would.  Our bodies make and use glucose from a variety of foods (and our own body tissues if we are fasting), as glucose is needed for our survival.  Any time a substance is metabolized in the presence of glucose AGE's are produced.  Since our blood and tissues have a constant supply of glucose, AGE's are constantly being produced.  AGE's are just another waste product.  The best you can do is live a lifestyle that keeps blood glucose stable at a NORMAL level.  My BG stays around 90 to 100 all the time.  People who eat a high carb diet often have BG spikes of 200 to 300 that can last for several hours.  Much larger amounts of AGE's would be produced at these high BG levels.  I don't try to artificially control my BG level.  I just try to eat a diet that is low in carbs, keep my BG level as constant as possible, and I let my body decide how much it needs.

Nicola

 

What about the fresh Australian horse meat available at some supermarkets in Switzerland (shipped by air I think)? Are Australian horses grain fed or not ?

The horse meat in Switzerland will never be from Australia! I used to eat horse meat and that was always Swiss or from Canada/USA. You will never know the grain fed or grass fed for shore - just do your best and stay open to what you can find threw connections to farmers or good stores.

Nicola

Hey Lex,

I am not so shore about raw meat vs. cooked meat again - did you catch this on the zerocarb forum:

I've read up on this, and it seems that Dr. Beaumont concluded that "minuteness of division and tenderness" (of the food) in addition to cooking said food helped increase ease of digestion. Raw foods, in short, digest more poorly than cooked foods.

From Catching Fire: "When Beaumont introduced boiled beef and raw beef at noon, the boiled beef was gone by 2 P.M. But the piece of raw, salted, lean beef of the same size was only slighted macerated on the surface, while its general texture remained firm and intact."


and this is what the pemmican familiy has to say about raw meat:

Technically, pemmican isn't a raw food. The meat portion is but the fat portion is not. We've experimented with eating raw meat ala the family in the video but we couldn't do it. We became angry, isolated, frustrated and basically CRAZY! My oldest boy developed autistic symptoms! My wife sat around crying and I became an angry SOB. Enough was enough. We had MUCH better luck when we tried eating our meat cooked to medium, but, of course, our best attempt thus far has been pemmican.

I shudder when I think of our raw experiment. Bacteria can alter human behaviour drastically. This is why pemmican is such a wonder food!

Thoughts?

Nicola

Coffee Enema is putting fluid through the anus.  If you lay on your right side it will reach your liver somehow...

My question was how do you put fluid through the anus or in other words with what?

I used to do a flush with this

http://www.intima2000.ch/start.html

- put after just eating meat and fat I have not wanted to try again (perhaps it's also this ionized water that I drink)...it may not be good to flush water threw your bowels (Charles also had something about this on his zerocarb blog).

After looking at a few of this guys videos I came across this one about the bowel and poo...he mentions fiber - yet people on a paleo diet or people eating meat and fat (van eating the fat first and then the meat) do not have much or any fiber! Do you people ever think and wonder about not "moving" much (or having loose stools and all of the other episodes) and that the waist gets recycled - toxins going threw the system again and again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86q19t8ciQE

Nicola

According to Phinney and Mercola, this is only a problem with excess protein.

May be, but it is not natural to weigh meat and fat and all the rest of the "numbers" zerocarb's do to get "it" right. Some say you need lots of fat and those that do it gain weight, feel sick...or the other story about fat for bowel movements???

Nicola

The author has become a member on Charles zerocarb forum


http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=2026


Nicola

I never liked pillows - for years I have been sleeping on this

http://www.elsaint.com/_de/produktseiten/knackpunkt.html

and have had my atlas corrected

http://www.atlasprofilax.ch/eng/index.php

Nicola

My diet now is, more or less, low-carb. I usually eat 1 large meal a day, which is usually raw meats/organs. And then I may(or may not) have some raw veg or raw fruit, c.30 minutes afterwards.

Tyler, you posted this a few days ago - raw fruit after meat&fat seems to be not ideal...


http://www.youngerthanyourage.com/13/constipation.htm

Nicola

(I've done some experiments when walking in the Alps, with a sort of equivalent  "raw pemmican"(ie nothing processed, just carrying with me some lean-meats mixed in with raw marrow or suet. of course, the stuff would rapidly rot due to the meat but I'd consume it mostly or wholly  within 5 days, regardless. Inevitably, by the 3rd day, I would be utterly exhausted, with no stamina, and no amount of the lean-meat/fat mixture would help re increasing endurance. I'd end up looking ridiculous and having to rest constantly for 5 minutes each time while other hikers sauntereed past me).

Your own quote:

I've always been a cynic so I'm not one for positive thinking, despite this diet.

This is what gets in your way!

Last year you mentioned going walking in the alps and marrow was ideal. You go to Italy and mention beforehand that you will be fasting and eating more fruit (hydration) a lot because of the heat. Well when you came back you say you need to fast because you had put on weight. It's all so confusing and negative; why - it's not doing you any good???

Nicola