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General Discussion / Re: Salt is a chemical
« on: October 10, 2008, 04:33:21 am »
Just a comment re The Bear's aggressive stance. Virtually, every single diet guru(or wannabe guru) has generally been highly aggressive and unpleasant as regards debunking other peoples' critical arguments(I'm thinking of Aajonus and Sally Fallon, among many, many others). This is necessary, as many are defending their jobs as nutritionists or their reputations as experts in their own particular dietary hobby(eg:- The Bear), and the best way to win an argument is to always go on the attack. About the only diet-guru I've come across who has been even remotely civil with others, on a consistent basis, has been Loren Cordain, although that doesn't necessarily validate his arguments re diet.

In short. one should always ignore the human factor and just focus on the validity of the diet, or lack thereof.

Re salt:- I think it's pretty clear that salt was used in Neolithic times  primarily as a preservative, not as a nutritional supplement. People forget that, in those days, they had no fridges so they had to salt and dry their meats in order to preserve them for sufficient periods. Prior to the Neolithic era, though, there would have been no settled civilisation, so salt-mining would not have been possible, and open sources of salt were only available in certain areas in the world.

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Off Topic / Re: ravenous
« on: October 10, 2008, 04:24:32 am »
This is something I've never come across in literature. I've read of modern primitives engaging in cannibalism in isolated areas as a ritualistic practice tied to warfare, but never as a widespread phenomenon. Do you have links regarding the paleolithic practice of it?

There's plenty of info on this online:-

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human%20Nature%20S%201999/neanderthal_cannibalism_at_moula.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism#Pre-history

http://www.amazon.com/Prehistoric-Cannibalism-at-Mancos-5Mtumr-2346/dp/0691094675

http://archaeology.about.com/od/caterms/qt/cannibalism.htm

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Off Topic / Re: ravenous
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:00:05 pm »
I haven't seen the movie. But you're right, many SAD-eaters view RAF-eaters as little better than cannibals.

Cannibalism was, apparently, very much a part of the Palaeolithic Diet that our ancestors practised.(though there are other claims that the bones were either eaten by other mammals, not humans, or that humans simply scraped and cleaned the bones of the dead prior to burial).

 I remember coming across a mention of 1 book which claimed that cannibalism(and, specifically, the eating of human brains) led to bigger human brains and evolution. The book was by an author specialising in the occult, so isn't too reliable. But it was amusing to hear of it. Can't find the reference, any more, though.

Anyway, I think I've just about reached my boundaries as far as diet is concerned. I'll happily eat rotting meat/raw meat and the like, here's no way I would ever contemplate eating faeces, drinking urine or eating my fellow humans. Besides, human flesh, raw or otherwise, must be mostly pretty disgusting and unhealthy since the vast majority of humans eat such crappy cooked diets.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw sterilized?
« on: October 09, 2008, 05:31:24 pm »
What is up with Sally Falon suggesting to freeze meat for 14 days to get rid of parasites?

Do any of you do this?


I know, it's ridiculous, and totally unnecessary.  I think a number of newbies probably do it, but I'd be surprised if people bother with this long-term freezing, as it's time-consuming and takes up a lot of freezer/fridge space if one is eating all-raw(well, all-prefrozen for 14 days).

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General Discussion / Re: Salt is a chemical
« on: October 09, 2008, 05:09:29 pm »
How did you know it was dairy induced magnesium deficiency though? dairy contains lots of things which can cause problems. Did taking magnesium cure them or did just stop drinking milk cure them...?
I am pretty certain that magnesium-deficiency was the cause as many of my symptoms I'd had during my raw-dairy-phase(and prerawpaleo diet) were listed under standard lists of magnesium-deficiency symptoms. Plus, I did, at various stages, go without dairy, both during prerawpalaeo days, and for a month or two while doing a Primal Diet minus the raw dairy, before I was able to find a raw-dairy-source - and there was no improvement, whatsoever as regards my cramps. So, the cramps I had were clearly not part of my dairy-allergy, but more to do with adrenal burnout and related magnesium-deficiency, as excess calcium in dairy blocks magnesium-uptake into the body. Plus, after I cut out the raw dairy from my raw animal food diet, I went in for foods high in minerals such as raw oysters etc., which must have done the trick.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Braaaaains
« on: October 09, 2008, 04:48:33 pm »

"I can get hold of organic pigs' brains but they're all grainfed, unfortunately, due to stupid regulations"

pigs are omnivores, are they not?


That's the whole point, pigs do NOT  eat a 100% grainfed diet in the wild, they eat roots, leaves, small mammals, tubers etc. etc., as well as a little grain.

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General Discussion / Re: Fatty Fish
« on: October 09, 2008, 01:19:08 am »
Fish is relatively  lean, but go for fish higher in fat-content such as swordfish, mackerel etc.

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General Discussion / Re: All Meat Is Aged
« on: October 08, 2008, 09:46:38 pm »
All high-quality meats are aged for 3, sometimes even 4 weeks. But I think they are all left in a chilled freezer-like environment, during that time. There's no way that they would allow meat to age to "high-meat" status.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Becoming raw...
« on: October 08, 2008, 09:00:20 pm »
Been eating a very low to no carb all animal diet for a while, and am looking to add the benefits of raw foods. I am trying to do this on a budget. I was thinking of ordering Beef suet and stew meat as the main part of the diet. What are some other cuts of beef or lamb that are good raw and not too expensive?

Order from Slanker's online website(Texas). They insist on people buying in bulk(75$ minimum order), but, on the other hand, kilo for kilo, they're very cheap by 100% grassfed standards - Lex buys their petfood mix as he says it's human-grade. Generally speaking, the organs are the cheapest parts of the animal(tongue, marrow, suet), but otherwise go for brisket(?) and stewing-steak as they're a lot cheaper than fillet-steak/rump-steak.

Kyle's right re raw fish. If you're near the coast, you should be able to find some very cheap kinds of fish - I highly recommend sardines and similiar stuff. I also go in for more exotic cheap stuff such as raw mussels and live crabs, but you might not be interested in them as they take a bit of time to prepare/open.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw sterilized?
« on: October 08, 2008, 08:54:52 pm »
The best thing to do is to use freshly-squeezed lemon-juice(from organic lemons) and marinate your meats and fish in them. I've been told that this process makes the taste much more like that of cooked-foods without the disadvantages of having toxins created by heat.

However, like Satya said, there's no need to worry about this whole notion of bacteria and parasites. We all go through an initial fear-phase where we douse our meats with antiparasitical herbs etc such as garlic , cayenne-pepper etc.(well, that's what I did, at first), but we all grow out of this phase, once we realise that it's all quite unnecessary.

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General Discussion / Re: Salt is a chemical
« on: October 08, 2008, 08:50:05 pm »
I am one of those whose cramps were most definitely caused by magnesium-deficiency, via dairy-consumption. And I believe  the Bear is right in stating that natural salts exist in all meats, not just in blood.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:29:36 am »
Sharks are everywhere, a swimmer was taken a few metres form the beach 5 years ago in 4 feet of water. A surfer was attacked by two white pointers in 2004 and died. A guy was killed last year snorkeling.

My local beach will have about a dozen white pointers spotted close to the shore this summer in fact a friend saw a seal being killed last week. It's a little scary.



And yet you still go out there. Well, you've got more guts than me.If I got even an inkling that great whites were in my neighbourhood in Liguria, I would never even dare go into the water. Fortunately, I've been told that the sharks mostly focus on the shipping-lanes as they seek the rubbish/leftovers which are routinely thrown out by ships. So, the nearest Great-White is most likely around Genoa or Nice, thank god.

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Journals / Re: my so called journal
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:26:31 am »
Re red wine, I have to tell you that white wine may be altered as well as red wine.
Fortunately I buy wine from a friend that produces it from the grapes he cultivates.

Yes, I know, I've been trying to find any wine at all which doesn't have sulphites in it as a preservative, and there are very, very few available, and only on specific websites. For some reason, it's the sulphites in wine that give me the worst side-effects, so I stick to real ale, limoncello/grappa or vodka, if at all.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Braaaaains
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:21:49 am »
Here in Italy I can find calf brain as well.

I find it at the supermarket, as well as calf heart and liver, rabbit liver, chiken livers and heart (never tried chiken's organs raw).

Our tradition includes cow's stomach (it's called "trippa") but only cooked.

Don't bother with calves' brain. Continental Europe has the most appalling reputation as regards providing low-quality calf-meat(ie veal). They are kept in appalling conditions and fed crap, so avoid it like the plague. I'm in a similiar situation in the UK, I can get hold of organic pigs' brains but they're all grainfed, unfortunately, due to stupid regulations.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 07, 2008, 07:31:43 pm »
I thought that South Africans and Australians would never dream of going more than a few metres from the coast. The usual recommendation is, apparently, to swim alongside the coast, because of the sharks in deep-water. At least, that is what Australians routinely tell me.

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General Discussion / Re: looking for tips/ what are YOU eating....
« on: October 07, 2008, 07:25:15 pm »
My diet consists of a wide variety of foods, depending on where I am at any moment(on holiday or whatever):-


The foods are raw and either 100% grassfed,organic or free-range,  or wild, with the exception of the free-range turkey, fed on mostly grains - oh, and free-range eggs from grainfed birds):-

wild hare carcass with organs(my favourite), wild mallard duck with organs, leg of mutton, leg of lamb, wildcaught oysters/mussels/live lobster, live crab, scallops, prawns/giant tiger prawns,samphire, fruits(mostly blueberries/raspberries/strawberries(my least favourite of the 3), and cherries- sometimes, rarely, apples, pears). Organs(heart, liver, tongue, kidney, suet, marrow) from beef, lamb, deer. Rarely, some minced muscle-meat from the 3 aforementioned animals. Horsemeat/goatmeat(just the muscle-meat, can't get organs for those), swordfish, kingfish, tuna, herring-shark(?), limpets, sea-urchin eggs,clams(very rarely as they're  a major hassle to open), carrots(once a year or so). Eggs(goose, duck, quail eggs preferred, when in season, otherwise chicken eggs - I frown on egg-consumption, though, unless no other fats are available). Heather or borage honeycomb only eaten in the summer months, generally, in moderate or tiny amounts, Very rarely eaten during non-summer months(heather honeycomb tastes the best of all honey, IMO).

I'm looking into buying  grey squirrel carcasses as well, in future. When eating cooked, I like to go for exotic meats, if posible, such as wild-boar meats etc., when possible.

The above consists of  what I usually eat. I constantly experiment with new foods and have eaten raw lung, raw squid tubes etc. etc., in the past.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Braaaaains
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:52:36 pm »
All I know is that cow' brains are forbidden to be sold in the UK. Other brains are, technically, allowed, even though some stupid farmers insist to me(undoubtedly lying) that all brains are forbidden to be sold. The trouble is that there's no market/demand for brains so they just don't bother and the amount they'd get for selling brains would be a fraction of what it costs for the equivalent weight in muscle-meats, so it's not worth their while.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:47:57 pm »
 >: >: -v -v -v -v

That is just so disgusting! There is nothing more abhorrent than  people p***ing and sh***ing into the water. That's why I've always loathed going to public resorts like the Costa del Sol etc., as the thousands of people in each such town just go to the beach to sunbathe, if they go into the water, it's usually to "do their business" - so swimming in a sea of lukewarm, diluted piss(or worse) was not a pleasant option, even forgetting the fact that the local hotels would routinely dump their sewage into the water, as well.

The worst example of the above was when a female cousin of mine stated that she wanted to relieve herself, while we were on a trip to a pristine mountain-stream, filled with rock-pools, in Liguria. I mean, the water  came from an untouched spring and other people were swimming below.




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Journals / Re: my so called journal
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:26:07 pm »
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What I do on  socials (and so far it was always possible) is: eat paleo cooked and drink with moderation (I only drink wine or beer 'cause I can't stand superalcoholic drinks). Never mix different alcoholic drinks (someone believes it's not good to mix different types of wine as well, I noticed that if the alcoholic grade is similar It's affordable to drink some red wine, and than some white SEPARATELY).

I ought to mention that the types of alcohol which cause the most hangovers are the coloured ones as they contain more congeners and other preservatives. So that means that red wine, whisky and lager-beer are to be avoided, IMO. For alcohol, I generally choose things like vodka, therefore, or, more commonly, Real Ale which is unpasteurised and full of bacteria, without any preservatives at all. The only exception is Limoncello, IF I know that it's one of the varieties which doesn't have any preservatives, colouring agents in it. I rarely drink such alcohol but I I drink it more often than I eat cooked-food as  I find it seems to have less of an effect on me, long-term(ie no constipation, no hangover-effect the next morning , as I only drink moderately etc.)

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:19:32 pm »
This all reminds me of the ghastly squatting-toilets(just two-foot-rests and a hole in the plastic floor) which are to be found in the Refuge des Merveilles in the Parc du Mercantour in France. They'd usually have shit on the foot-rests because people couldn't aim properly in that position. Squatting in the wild would be even more precarious given the lack of support to hold on to, so "accidents" would happen frequently. Not a terribly hygienic option.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:16:37 pm »
Oh Tyler, how can you tease us with that tid bit?  Please do tell the story!

The last paragraph of this reference talks about this, so I was right, though it may just be an urban legend:-
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/burton_rf.html

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Don't sit; squatt!
« on: October 07, 2008, 02:48:05 am »
I've heard this claim before re squatting supposedly making elimination easier. It sounds good but didn't work for me, personally. Also, there was the awkwardness since it's so easy to get the stools to come into contact with ones' legs if one's not craeful re balance, all the time.

I seem to remember 1 famous individual(Richard Burton the explorer?) who had to kill an Arab in a Muslim holy place(Mecca/Medina?) because the Arab had seen him either urinate or shit without squatting, which marked him out as an obvious Westerner. Can't remember the exact details of this story, right now.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 06, 2008, 09:48:51 pm »
I know cats and other carnivores feed on grass, but they don't use it for digestion. It's been pointed out that cats eat grass only when they suffer from gastric distress:-

http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/grass.htm

Maybe eating grass etc.  just an attempt to vomit out a previous meal?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 06, 2008, 09:15:40 pm »
I had the same impression. I replied I didn't want to upset him, only trying to understand.

anyway, it seems impossible to find an athlete that is at a good level, gaining good result, that is at zerocarb...

Mamo Wolde has already  been mentioned as a low-carb athlete.

The Bear is always very aggressive, IMO. That's nearly always a bad sign, indicating a lack of solid evidence.

Still, I do wonder about the Eskimoes. It doesn't seem likely that they were unable to lift heavy weights or do continual heavy exercise on their zero-carb diets.

Re all-meat diet :- I heavily disagree with the notion that such a diet is unaffordable. I've actually found that decreasing the amounts of carbs in my diet has correspondingly reduced my appetite as I feel fuller on raw animal foods, with the result that my food-bills have been significantly reduced.

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General Discussion / Social issues Re Raw Animal Food Diets
« on: October 05, 2008, 10:25:59 pm »
On the Primal Diet Yahoo group, one poster mentioned that she'd just been involved in a child custody battle, in which the Primal Diet had featured(presumably her ex had cited the Primal Diet as a reason for taking sole custody of the child). Anyway, the outcome of the case was in her favour, which is very interesting,as it indicates that the authorities can't just take  children away from their parents because of an extreme diet being practised in the household.

Same thing was tried when that Wifeswap episode aired, masses of people phoned the social services insisting that the parents be jailed etc. for child abuse, but the authorities pointed out that the children weren't being coerced into doing the diet and were not in a state of ill-health.

Anyway, it shows that things are improving on the social scene, if raw animal foodists are being viewed reasonably favourably by the authorities, if only to a certain extent.

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