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Well, they have to make sure the customers return, you know.

 @Tyler I guess in that case I would choose to eat elsewhere.  They'll lose sales.

Yes, it's bad for freedom.

@GS If raw meat eaters want to have an impact I don't think it will be accomplished by a single person putting on a counter demonstration like this. It has to be a coordinated effort and done in a way that would invoke curiosity instead of horror.  There must be a strategy.

I hate this. I really feel like all English-speaking Western civilizations are becoming tyrannical and this is just another example.

I'm from the US and basically, there is no legal system defending people's freedom anymore.

This case with sv3rige is a marketing game; it won't be won in the courts.  Who has the most posters and likes on Facebook/internet?  Vegans - they win.

The direct approach that he tried doesn't always work, as this proves.  Rocks are worn down by water.  Be like water.  You have to approach things indirectly, deviously. 

Off Topic / We want to live website
« on: July 23, 2019, 03:23:29 am »
If you go to the we want to live website there are some paywalls so you can't read articles that interest you. Now that Aajonus is dead, I'm curious who owns the site and is benefiting from his work.

Science / Raw Ostrich Liver and Meningitis
« on: July 02, 2019, 08:38:28 pm »

I hope the site allows me to post this link to "Meningitis by Toxocara canis after ingestion of Raw Ostrich Liver" appearing in the Journal of Korean Medical Science.  (Evil site would not allow me to post this with the link, so just do a google search for it.)

Really interesting - mom and dad and their son all ate raw ostrich liver (presumably from the ostrich farm that the parents run).  The parents did not get sick but the son did.  However, the parents blood serum showed an antigen to T. canis despite their being symptom-free.

So this is supporting the idea that just because a virus/bacteria/parasite is present, it doesn't necessarily cause disease.  If it did, then the parents would also be sick. 

Any ideas why two people would have the parasite and not get sick while the son got sick? 

It makes me think of the Herpes virus.  I think that almost everyone has the Herpes 1 infection (cold sores) but most of the time everyone lives with it symptom free.

Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that rotten Fish is safe to eat?
« on: July 02, 2019, 10:59:23 am »

I'm new here and not all raw yet.  Just thought I would share some things with you that strike me from reading the article.

The article is dated 2015 and it says "The most recent figures show that two people died from eating fesikh in 2010, and the same number in 2009." They had to go back 5 years to find two deaths.  And you don't know the medical history of those two people.

From 1998-2016,  21 people have died from eating hot dogs and 33 people died from eating cantaloupe. (I tried to post a link but the site wouldn't let me). However, people continue to eat hot dogs and cantaloupe without fear of death.  Hot dogs are popular on holidays and at fairs and around celebrations.  Just like this fish is popular at this festival/holiday. 

The only way not to get food poisoning is to never eat food.  But I do understand your concern and hopefully one of the more expert members can discuss.

@Fat of the Land/Surfsteve -

I'm able to get liver in 3 different ways - one is frozen, one is vacuum packed, and one is from the farmer's market.  I've tried all of them raw; the one that was previously frozen and one that is vacuum packed both taste horrible raw.  I can't recall how the farmer's market one tasted...I think it was not much different from the others (except I noted it was a darker color) and just because it was from a farmer's market doesn't mean it was pasture raised (if you ask any of the farmers here they simply say "yes" because they know it sells better, and these farmers markets sell items from farms that could be 1.5 hours away...). 

These were all beef liver, not calf.  I agree with you that there is probably more accumulation of metals in an older animal, but I don't think it would be sustainable to eat only calf liver instead of the adult beef liver.  I can't imagine hunter-gatherers using their energy to catch a smaller animal with less meat, and ideally it would be capable of reproducing in the future to replenish the supply. 

I'll keep searching to find better sources within budget and focus on other things in the meantime.

Please let me know if your tastes change.  I also can't stand it raw.  I've eaten it cooked with rosemary & spices (still pink inside) and it tastes better to me that way. 

Science / Re: Last of the Yaghan people...
« on: June 12, 2019, 11:25:24 pm »
This is happening to the Quechua in South America as well.  The government sells the villagers' lands to corporations that only speak Spanish and then the villagers lose their independent, self-sufficient way of living and become dependent on the corporation, learning the corporation's language, etc.  All the wisdom of their ancestors will be lost and they will be forced to be wage slaves to purchase what they previously wrought with their own hands and minds.  Truly terrible.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: New and Concerns
« on: May 14, 2019, 11:19:34 pm »
Not sure if I should start a new thread because this is a new question - do any of you enjoy eating raw liver?  I have had it cooked in the past (tasted pretty bad except with spices & butter) and now I am trying it raw because many people seem to advocate it. 
It just tastes even more horrible raw, to me.  But all the robust cultures eat it raw.  I want to be able to enjoy it and eat more of it.  Do you get used to it?  Do you have any theories why so many other cultures enjoy it raw?
Chicken livers I like (cooked), but I want to eat more beef liver for the copper. 

I was researching it last night and apparently, the only way that the bubonic plague is diagnosed is by the presence of this bacteria (yersinia) in body fluids.  They should take blood samples of the people who ate the wild rodent but didn't get bubonic plague. I bet they would find the bacteria in the people who didn't get sick as well.  Then that would knock back the theory of germ-induced disease.  I bet they didn't take any samples from the healthy people.  Why aren't they more thorough?

It also reminded me of something - I once read a chapter from a book called "Survival of the Sickest."  It said that most people of Western European descent developed a mutation that helped them survive the plague.  The mutation, however, results in a disease called hemochromatosis - this is excessive iron in the blood.  But somehow this disease helped Europeans survive the plague, so it is passed down to people today who are of Western European descent.  The ones who died from eating the wild meat that had the yersinia bacteria - did they have European ancestry?  Or another ancestry that didn't develop the mutation to help survive the plague?

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: New and Concerns
« on: May 08, 2019, 08:24:09 am »
Can one incorporate some raw foods while still eating cooked? Do you think that's ok?

Bacteria/viruses don't frighten me very much - I do believe that bacteria and viruses can be helpful because there is evidence for it (bacteriophages, probiotics, etc).  But the thing that scares me the most are possible worms.  I remember being in middle school science class and the teacher passed around a preserved tapeworm in a jar.  I just never, never want to have that inside me!

Tyler, what do you think of this?

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Vice article featuring Me
« on: May 06, 2019, 06:36:24 am »
I think the problem with using the word "paleo" in the show title is that people either 1) assume they already know what that is and don't need to watch the show or 2) are put off by the concept of the paleo diet. 

Using different terms can give a fresh perspective and push past people's biases.


Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Vice article featuring Me
« on: May 02, 2019, 09:49:47 am »
1. Ancient Healing or Wild Ancient Healing
2. Thriving Sustenance
3. Thriving Wild
4. The Blood of Life

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / New and Concerns
« on: April 30, 2019, 07:34:41 pm »
I've read the posts that say parasites are good and they are only in the bodies of people who don't eat a healthy raw diet.
So what if you haven't been eating a healthy raw diet and want to start eating some raw foods?  Will you get parasites because you didn't eat healthy before? 
I know some have gotten sick from eating raw meats in the beginning.

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