There's a big deal of difference between minor transitional symptoms as experienced by those who've successfully transitioned to raw zc, and the massive health-problems incurred by the majority who don't do well on RZC.

I continued the diet for a further 2-3 weeks in 2 of the trials. Of course, others have gotten even worse health-problems at an earlier stage, only a few days into the diet, so have had to give up earlier than me, or face hospitalisation in the end.

I gave rzc diet the benefit of the doubt when I tried it, much like with the raw-dairy-heavy Primal Diet. But , in the end, I had to give both up or end in the morgue. There's a limit to dietary fanaticism, and when one's health is completely compromised, it's wise to try something else.

Exactly, you need a broad spectrum of nutrition & bacteria, even with raw meats, limiting it to muscle meat, you severely limit your food groups, such as proteins & fats

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=17

All farmed fish should be avoided, even those in tank systems, wild will always be the more nutritionally superior

I accept there is evolution and natural selection. How humans developed is open for speculation. One author says humans ate raw fruit and damaged their/our brains when we started eating meat and cooking food. Others say eating meat is what led to the increase in the size of the human brain. There are many theories floating around.

Human bottlenecks explain human development? http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/bottleneck.html
Some say as few as 1000 humans remained ~ 60000 years ago, other scientists say as many as 75,000 physically modern humans were in Africa. How could so few people have propelled the "Great Leap Forward", where humans transitioned culturally from apes to modern man, in such a short time?

Bottlenecks, theoretical cro-magnons,  dark matter, all old tactics used by the science industry, to cover up their own ignorance, if you cant deny something which goes against your dogma & stupidity, give it a fancy name & call anyone who questions it a fringe or maverick scientist ....


As for calling evolution theory, a fact, that's like calling string theory a fact, you cant make a speculative theory, fact, unless it's provable in a lab

Good luck trying to prove the evolution of man in a lab ... lol

Roony,  I would like to see references for cheaper cuts of meat having higher concentrations of 'nutrients'.  And I am not speaking about organs.  thanks

I'd like to see those too, i'm basically quoting aajonus on that one, unfortunately i dont have the time to hunt down something so obscure

I'm presuming the greater number of nutrients comes from a large surface area, packed into a dense area, like breast of lamb, its toughness encourages far more virulent & aggressive bacteria & parasites, to break down the tougher meat, over soft tissue

Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.

Im going to make this as clear as possibe since you've missed it the last couple times.

From reply #17 from this thread you wrote the following

Again, this is you who wrote this, not anyone else.

You did not give out a source for the quoted information.

I googled your quote to find the source.

I found 2 matches according to google.

Here is how I searched

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

So I deduced that your source came from one of those two findings, one of which was wiki answers and the other from a blog.

Well, what do you want me to say, thnx for using google?


The point wasnt the source, it was the actual wiki quote which as i pointed out was untrue

If you want to discuss the contents of that quote, which is what we have been doing for the last few posts, feel free to add to it, cheers

That's because most animal fats, have high temperature resistant properties

for example ghee

But boiling an animal fat does in fact rid it of healthy bacteria & parasites, vital to health

There's two types of advocates medicine

Germ Theory, & Bechampes all bacteria exist as a terrain for healing


Bechampe has been proven, while germ theory even the inventor denounced it, is a discredited theory, most modern research on biology still reverts to the old theory, as ideology

Bechampe also fits in existing philosophy & ancient sciences, such as omniscience


Read up on Bechampe if you want to know about raw meat, the most accessible is aajonus' material

If a pathogen causes damage to a cell, it becomes quarantined by inflammatory response. The pathogen is identified and special white blood cells are made to neutralise/kill the pathogen. The pathogen is packaged in a membrane and disposed of.

And there's your faulty logic right there ....

Your overall hypothesis is flawed, as pathogens dont cause damage to cells, they repair & clean up damaged cells

The only way to damage cells is to poison them, or deprive them of nutrition

Unfortunately expensive softer cuts of meat, such as ribeye, arent high quality nutrition, its a common misconception, the fatty cheaper cuts are far more nutritious, the most nutritious are supposed to be the tougher cuts

Also organ meats are far more nutritious, then the simple muscle meats, essential, especially if recovering from disease etc.,

Thought i'd make a new thread, i posted this in tyler's journal, basically a theory on why raw paleoists dont exercise, dont take it as fact lol


When i exercise, i never get cravings for carbs for the rest of the day, it's only when i dont i find myself thinking of eating crap lol

Mainly because you're using your fat reserves, far more efficiently for energy, then if you sit around


In order to use fat for energy efficiently you need to expend alot more energy, exercise is a part of that expenditure


Sedentary & endemic carb in tissue, brings on cravings for carbs, as a low exercise body burns fat far less efficiently, cravings for carbs, ie energy which uses less effort to use, occur


Fat is also far efficient then carbs in terms of density

Carbs have 4 calories per gram, while fat has 9 calories per gram


On a ketogenic diet, ie zero or low carb, diet, with exercise you're getting double the amount of calories by burning 1 gram of fat, then you would by burning 1 gram of carb's or sugar


Sedentary lifestyles crave carbs & sugar, because of their inability to use fat efficiently, even with ketogenesis, or on a low carb diet


Why people like aajonus or people who find exercise unhealthy, is because of the periodicity of sedentaryism, or their biological clock, after a term of ketogenesis, ie eating fat as a fuel, being stationary or sedentary forces them to use alternative forms of energy from their liver & muscle, which are different types of sugars from regular carbs, but still burn alot faster then fat

They would need prolonged exposure to exercise to allow their bodies to use energy from fat, when stationary or sedentary, as theyre bodies have adapted to processing sugars stored in their muscle liver etc., when sedentary or stationary


When exercising the adaptation from sugars in muscle & organs, makes it difficult for them to adapt to an efficient fat burning process


Their existing fat & raw food reserves, allows them extended stamina & health, but forced exercise or physical stress forces them to use fat reserves inefficiently, because of their prolonged sedentary, resulting in maladjustment




Why Not Exercising May Be Good For You

You could also argue, because the sugars stored in your body, are also released automatically, if not used, 12 hours for your liver, about 8 hours for muscle

Which is the main reason high carbers, wake up with sugar induced coma's & crystals in their eyes, their bodies dump the carbs stored in their muscle & liver into their bloodstream, every 8 & 12 hours, before it gets stored as fat & back into liver & muscle


The efficient periodicity of the release of sugars, could actually be beneficial over those who exercise & train their bodies to use fat efficiently when sedentary

As you're getting a double release of calories every 8 or 12 hours, & the low amount of energy required to use them, leading to less overall stress on the body as a whole

When i exercise, i never get cravings for carbs for the rest of the day, it's only when i dont i find myself thinking of eating crap lol


Mainly because you're using your fat reserves far more efficiently for energy, then if you sit around


In order to use fat for energy efficiently you need to expend alot more energy, exercise is a part of that expenditure


Sedentary & endemic carb in tissue, brings on cravings for carbs, as a low exercise body burns fat far less efficiently, cravings for carbs, ie energy which uses less effort to use, occur


Fat is also far efficient then carbs in terms of density

Carbs have 4 calories per gram, while fat has 9 calories per gram


On a ketogenic diet, ie zero or low carb, diet, with exercise you're getting double the amount of calories by burning 1 gram of fat, then you would by burning 1 gram of carb's or sugar


Sedentary lifestyles crave carbs & sugar, because of their inability to use fat efficiently, even with ketogenesis, or on a low carb diet


Why people like aajonus or people who find exercise unhealthy, is because of the periodicity or their biological clock, after a term of ketogenesis, ie eating fat as a fuel, being stationary or sedentary forces them to use alternative forms of energy from their liver & muscle, which are different types of sugars from regular carbs, but still burn alot faster then fat

They would need prolonged exposure to exercise to allow their bodies to use energy from fat, when stationary or sedentary, as theyre bodies have adapted to processing sugars stored in their muscle liver etc., when sedentary or stationary

I've had to add stuff like cream, bee pollen, basically tons of fat with highly nutritious bioavailable sugars, such as bee pollen & propolis, or a drop of royal jelly


Exercise also seems to stop people from craving carbs, especially on a zero carb diet

  Actually, that's quite wrong. "Cro-magnon" generally refers to a specific type within the European population, though it can be applied to any palaeo man living in Europe in palaeo times, in a vague sense. Apparently, Finland has more examples of Cro-magnon-looking types than any other country:-

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/cro-magnon-man-in-europe-and-africa/

Again you're confusing theoretical anthropological theories, vs real archaeological evidence

Cro-magnon are a theoretical, fictional group of people created by anthropologists & other crackpot darwinian theorists


As my quote on archaeology makes it VERY clear, & proves my point,  cro-magnon's have no formal taxonomic status


Perhaps you should stop trying to promote facts based on complete & utter fiction, which is anthropology & start relying on an EVIDENCE based science, like archaeology