The jerky is just for keeping it. It won't be the same as fresh, but it'll make sure your meat doesn't rot for a very long time, and can easily be kept at room temperature. Just make sure to drink liquids or eat other fresh foods when eating it.

I don't know of any methods to undo rotting, except letting it go high in a well airated glass jar so you can have it much later on. But I would make sure this is good quality meat before doing that.

I do wonder what would happen if making jerky out of rotten meat. It might make it more easily digestible for you. The flies will be all over it though, so make sure your fan is really powerful, or put a metal mesh screen around it to keep them out, unless you don't mind them being on your food.

There are also methods that use a combination of drying and controlled rotting to produce special products such as salami. But they usually call for heavy salting.

I would avoid cooking rotten meat, too. That might be dangerous. I know that meat that was cooked from fresh and then rots is dangerous, so it might be that having raw rotten meat that is later cooked also is dangerous.

I prefer bland fruit if I want fiber, as most of the fiber there is soluble, whereas most of the fiber in leafy greens and tubers is insoluble. I don't think we're meant to be consuming large amounts of cellulose, that is for hervibores.

Have you tried this? Tomatoes, cucumbers, bell peppers, etc.

There are some starchy fruits as well, such as squash/pumpkin, which you mentioned, very unripe green bananas or plantains... Actually almost all fruits are starchy when unripe, it's just a matter of how palatable you can make them...

Usually if I want raw starch, I go for corn on the cob, carrot juice, or beet juice. Celery juice is great too but it contains very little starch, I have it more for it's refreshing and cleansing (detox) properties.

You can actually save money if you move (permanently or temporarily) somewhere where most of your food comes from animals you hunt yourself. Paleolithic humans didn't have any money

I agree with you that commercial sources are likely to dry up or become illegal, but for the foreseeable future, there will always be plenty of other sources that are far too removed from urban areas to attract massive hunting.

If your complaint is that where you happen to live, there isn't much wild game around, that's more a matter of your location (and with most heavily populated areas, that is the case), but you shouldn't extrapolate that to the whole planet.

LOL I will ignore your psycho tendencies.

Yes, health is worse now than ever before.

But knowledge of how to reverse the trend in declining health is increasing quickly, albeit only in a small section of the population, but when the rest wake up, the know-how will be there for them.

And as we always disagree on this, an increase in the population is not a problem. People have been using that argument to predict economic catastrophes at least since the days of Thomas Malthus, Circa 1800 AD. And arguably, since the beginning of time. The decline in health has nothing to do with so-called "overpopulation". At least not in a direct causal relationship.

If your particular interest is in wild game, fewer and fewer people are interested in such delicacies, and a result, access to them is more widely available now than at any other point since the beginning of mankind. Yes, there is much less wild life in the planet, but you have so little competition for it, that you can't complain about there not being enough.

What you seem to be complaining about is not that there is no wild game left for you to hunt, but that nobody seems willing to hunt and sell it to you (or it's been made illegal). I definitely share your concerns, but what could possibly be the reasoning behind blaming *that* on overpopulation?

(I will add a caveat, when it comes to fish and other marine animal lifeforms, it's true that there is much less available worldwide, and there is plenty of competition for it, however, modern technology has allowed us to fish in a vast portion of the oceans that were never available before, and to the extent that the catch is not frozen or sprayed with chemicals before you buy them, they're arguably also more available today than at previous times, although they're likely to become more and more expensive as time goes by --- with river and lake fish, the situation is even worse, as these are often so contaminated that it's not worth it to eat them anymore, however wild they might be)

A  more descriptive name for it could be "Food Acquisition" or "Paleo Food Acquisition". In description it could read something like "The where and how to obtain quality food sources, whether you are growing them, hunting them or buying them"

That sounds like a wonderful idea.

Yeah, I was thinking that it could even cover topics such as where to buy the best quality paleo foods and how to identify them and differentiate them from lower quality ones (after all, in the modern world, most of us are paying for food)

I was watching a documentary a few days ago, which included a guy that can taste the difference in a cooked steak as to whether it came from a female or male bovine, how it was fed, and the age of the animal. He gave some pointers on how to identify each. I think this should be much easier when the meat is raw.

I was thinking that there should be a forum dedicated to how to best get our food.

It could cover topics such as farming, keeping livestock, hunting wild game, fishing, and gathering wild foods, and how to best accomplish these in accordance with paleo tenets; or how to modify mainstream practices in order to more adequately reflect a paleo lifestyle.

I often find myself wondering about these issues, and I think many of you also have thoughts and questions to share about them. It's hard to know where to put them when there isn't a specific subforum for them, and it's also hard to find the threads using simply the search function.

SB, the above sounds much like the sort of plot found in E M Forster's novella "The Machine Stops" and Huxley's "Brave New World".

And yet it's all true.

Quite reasonable, actually. Think about it, the cowards and those with defects in personality, character, physical build etc. would be the ones most likely to try avoiding front-line conflict in favour of peaceful positions in the Home Guard or nonviolent jobs like quartermaster etc. Simply incorrect. You underestimate the impact of modern medicine on human life. Like I stated before, many, many people are now alive and breeding who, 200 years ago, would have died long before being able to reproduce. Also, some problems have been ongoing since many millenia ago. Certain populations(for example, Jews/Muslims/Amish),  are and always have been riddled with inbreeding  so that modern medicine enabling many to survive and breed has made the problem much worse than before:-

Since there were massive drafts and widespread killing of civilians, many of whom who were too poor or too weak to escape, this is not necessarily so.

Also, the nazi regime especifically targeted what they considered to be inferior specimens for sterilization and/or imprisonment, enslavement or execution. Likewise in the Soviet Union and China, tons of people were executed or simply starved to death, and in this sense you would expect a eugenics effect from these phenomena.

Granted, some populations are better off than others but there is a steady decline in sperm-count and many other factors. Now, if you got everyone to eat a raw, palaeolithic diet  , dealt with air-pollition/water-pollution/soil-pollution and follow a reasonable daily regime of constant palaeo-style exercise, you would mostly get rid of the modern illnesses such as type 2 diabetes etc., but you could not remove the negative effects of inbreeding or the negative side-effects of modern medicine re enabling premature babies to survive etc.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/premature-babies-risk-infant-death-lower-fertility-study-20080326-21q9.html

Since rates for pretty much all diseases are way up, and we have more medical treatments than ever before, isn't it more reasonable to assume that all this medicine is a big part what is causing much of the disease, rather than simply dysgenic factors? (which I don't dispute are a problem today, but not in the same way you think)

Quote from: TylerDurden on December 02, 2017, 01:29:36 am

Bear in mind also that the domestication of Mankind alone has resulted in a 10% drop in average brain-size, along with lower intelligence, since the Neolithic era got started:-

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

Yes, but this has been reversing for several hundred years at least. Also, consider the Flynn effect.

Pottenger's study was deeply flawed. He made all sorts of false assumptions. I vaguely recall that he only compared cats eating some raw milk as well as raw flesh, he did not compare the milk-eating cats to cats eating only raw flesh.

That doesn't mean they are flawed, not in the least. If in your opinion raw milk was detrimental to the cats' health, and Dr Pottenger was able to reverse disease of all sorts with the raw meat + raw milk diet, then this means that an all-meat raw diet would have even better results.

which I associated with caffeine detox,

(Or nerve healing from caffeine and other chemical damage)

Somehow I feel I need to hide this raw meat eating, people thinks it's too much somehow... How do you get out of the closet lol?

I don't go around telling everybody I meet what I eat and what I don't, most people don't need to know, or don't care to know, or don't want to know, and that's fine. But if you're trying to build a lifelong relationship with someone, that's not someone you want to be "in the closet" with.

How do you deal with people around you? Sharing food with others, or not?

Case by case basis, and depending on the closeness of the relationship(s), how they feel about it, how much time you're planning on spending with them and the reasons why you are spending time with them.

Finally, there are some food preparations where, if in a given situation it's acceptable for you to bring your own food for yourself only, others won't even realize that it's raw from sight alone.