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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by norawnofun on Yesterday at 06:27:08 am »
@Susadele no, you didnĀ“t get it wrong, thats how he explained it. I was also confused about the plastic wrapping, but the only way to find out is to try it.
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by sabertooth on Yesterday at 12:34:32 am »
Liver and pancreatic pain suggest a possible issue with congested liver, which can make elimination and balancing of excessive elements difficult. Previous to adopting the raw paleo diet over a decade ago, I had issues with liver congestion, which was likely brought on by eating the wrong foods. I tried liver cleanses, but found that unless one corrects the true causes, then such liver cleanses only temporarily placate the issue. I also went through a period of iron overload when I was younger and eating fortified foods, and taking multivitamins that contained iron(big mistake). I even donated blood a few times, but found it actually made me feel weaker and more fatigued. Now after ten years on a raw meat based diet my iron levels measured in hair, urine, and blood test are within what is considered the normal range.

My opinion is that issues like iron retention and  liver congestion should resolve themselves in most cases without need of bloodletting or liver laxatives, as long as you eliminate the congestive foods, and nourish the body with a broad spectrum of raw animal nutrition, then balance should happen of its own
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Health / Re: Egg Yolk Liver Flushing: The Paleo Liver Flush
« Last post by goodsamaritan on February 24, 2020, 08:49:37 pm »
A carton in my supermarket is usually 1 liter of Apple Juice.

If apple juice is not for you, you can try eating lots of fresh raw apples.
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Susadele on February 24, 2020, 03:07:10 am »
For me the main reasons I thought of an iron overload:
- I have on and off liver and pancreas pain, occassionally, short, not too bad, like a twitch and sometimes days or weeks in between without any. I already had prior to the diet. Sometimes got better, sometimes worse again. But since healing takes time, I just gave it some more time, not really bothered. Had a break of the pain for a month or so last November, it came back in a time when I ate more cooked meet than ever before.
- Also some on and off diabetic symptoms. Though these usually appeared when I for example included rice in my diet. I would pretty fast get vision problems, nerve pain, weight gain etc. Or sometimes having nerve pain from drinking freshly juiced organic oranges. I mean to some degree my body might have been sensitive to it because of longterm fruit and sugar etc restriction. But still, the degree to which I was sensitive to it, ws suspicous, especially because I suspected to heal on the diet, including the diabetic and pancreatic symptoms. On the other side, when eating a little bit of bread, potatoes, rice etc. several days in a row and I'd then get diabetic symptoms I didn't consider it too suspicious for a long time, because I knew from people in such forums, that they'd even react on such foods or vegetables immediately. But would they get diabetic symptoms? As far as I remember they rather get intolerance or digestive symptoms.
- The day I had the most pain was when I ate clay which is an iron bomb and raw beef heart, which is high in iron especially when taking its relatively low amount of copper and zinc into consideration, to balance the iron out. And that pain started bothering me.
- I didn't crave raw beef muscle meat since quite some time.
- And what I kind of use as my final proof (which I value higher than a blood test) is the following: Eating raw organs is not a big deal for me, I even sometimes really liked eating raw kidney, even when it wasn't that fresh and had a little unpleasent pissy smell. Anyway, (raw) spleen.. which is loaded with iron, I think it is most abundant there. I had a very specific disaffection when eating it.  I mean I like the look, it reminds me of berry sorbet and blood mixture or so. Kind of asthetic. The texture is also nice. And still eating it felt weird. Tried it a few times, each time organic, grass fed, very fresh.
Back then I thought, well I don't have access to raw blood, shouldn't I be missing iron and therefore find eating spleen satisfying?
It was weird to me. And after a few months, liver pain getting worse (again), sleep getting worse (again) in a very particular way that I could distinguish from sleeping issues I had before and therefore couldn't solve like before. Occasional nerve pain, sometimes worse. Worse skin. And maybe sth else as well which I don't remember right now. Looking worse, of corse.

Puuh, that was pretty detailed, sorry.
Anyway, I decreased my red meat and organ consumption. Some raw liver for copper. The occasional liver pain / twitch is rare by now. Symptomwise it is bearable, I've been through worse, but looking bad and feel exhausted because of the terrible sleep.

I would love to donate blood, but I am in a foreign country at the moment and I am not allowed to donate blood here yet. In 6 months they say.. Only way might be getting to know a nurse or similar and doing it privately, haha. Or going to a doctor for blood work and hope he will do the right measurements but I can't be sure that he'd do so and I anyway don't consider blood work to be always correct. Too many involved factors and things we don't know about yet. Additionally I'd need to hope that he'd prescribe me to donate blood. But I can't even know for sure if my current health insurance would pay for all that. And at the moment I don't wanna risk spending all the money by myself without even knowing if the doctor would measure the right stuff or if the measures are valid.
Little bit annoying situation ;D

Might try the castor oil thing, though I don't understand how it should work if it is wrapped in plastic. Or did I get it wrong?
Otherwise just getting through it by lowering dietary iron intake. But might take very long. Let's see.
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Susadele on February 24, 2020, 02:15:54 am »
@ Inger
Yeah I would definitely go slow with the IP6 or even rethink it.
Because what I wonder about is: IP6 means phytic acid, and isn't that a chemical compound why grains, vegetables to a degree etc are considered unhealthy and people decrease it by fermentation, soaking etc? Because they are not binding exclusevly to iron, as well as zinc and many other important ones, right? All the minerals you would need to balance excess iron.
Also, in the end it is not a natural thing to supplement it. Could be harder to correct the damage caused by it than using the other methods to decrease iron. And I guess by donating blood + decrease dietary intake if iron + increase intake of copper + other changes you're already on a great way :)
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Susadele on February 24, 2020, 02:05:34 am »
Sure, I wrote about the process I use on my website: A Tale of 100 Acorns. Let me know if you have any questions.

So cool, thanks for sharing! Gonna try it out this year I guess.
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Health / Re: Egg Yolk Liver Flushing: The Paleo Liver Flush
« Last post by Susadele on February 23, 2020, 10:45:58 pm »
i do not think this breaks up stones.
I think breaking up stones is what apples do.
I believe in using various liver cleansing techniques.

Hello GS,

first, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I am wondering: What do you mean by a carton of apple juice? I mean how much is it? I was hoping round about 300ml is enough and that you don't mean a liter package per day..
Because the apple juice affects me already badly in 300ml amounts. Making me feel irritated and uncalm. And yeah bad sleep. Couldn't imagine to drink more.
After 5 of such preperation days I did three liver flushes as you described (tomorrow would be the 4th). So far no stones.
I am wondering if a 4th day of flushing is necessary. Or if I might not release stones because I didn't drink enough apple juice. Maybe by now you've made experiences with this liver flush without prior apple juice drinking. At least I can imagine that quite a few people would refuse drinking so much apple juice.
I appreciate your help :)
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Eric on February 21, 2020, 08:34:13 am »
If you see whole acorns, you can still gather them. Acorns from white oak species germinate in fall within weeks of dropping. If you want those, you have to gather them fast. Acorns from red oak species need to overwinter before they can germinate, so you have a much longer window over which to gather them. I might gather more in spring before the ground warms, since we had a huge mast year for them this year. I already gathered and processed about 30 gallons, and am about half way through the flour I made.

To make the flour into porridge I add 2 parts water and 1 part flour, bring the water to a boil and then turn the heat back and let the porridge steam on very low heat for about 15 minutes. Really though, you can eat acorn flour raw so you can cook it as little as you want. I will sweeten lightly with raw honey and top with fruit and a little raw goats milk kefir. It makes a very filling breakfast.
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Inger on February 21, 2020, 01:14:29 am »
Sure, I wrote about the process I use on my website: A Tale of 100 Acorns. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you Eric, awesome :) :) I am going to try that! Can I gather acorns now? Or do it have as they fall to the ground in fall? There are still plenty on the ground here...

How do you prepaire the ready flour, do you cook it into porridge, if, how long do you cook it for, or can one just soak it and eat it raw?
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General Discussion / Re: Iron overload on raw meat diet
« Last post by Eric on February 21, 2020, 12:33:08 am »
Wow.. Eric, I love that! We have tons of acorns here too... can you please share how you do it step by step so I can try it too?
I love local wild foods... they are just my favorite!

Sure, I wrote about the process I use on my website: A Tale of 100 Acorns. Let me know if you have any questions.
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