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Personals / Re: Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by sabertooth on January 15, 2022, 05:04:27 am »
I believe safety is in community, you need the right people in your area but also elsewhere, as what's safe today, may not be safe tomorrow. Having options ahead of time so that decisions must not be made in a rush and without proper consideration, is key.

Also keep in mind that it's not only the destination you should worry about, but the voyage.

Since few slaves step off the plantation with any frequency, it's most easy to target the ones who do than to constantly whip the ones staying put like they're supposed to.

I have the voyager spirit and know very well this life is a journey; and im somewhat content being agnostic on the question Determinism Vs Free Will as the guiding forces of fate and destiny. Not knowing what the future holds and embracing the uncertainty of ones decisions is part of the grace of lifes mystery. There is a balance I seek between safety and freedom; adventure and comfort; community and solitude. I was fairly content with the local community pre 2018, but post covid the slave mentality has come over the land like a tidal wave and I see how it could be signaling me to consider an exodus. Though its obviously a global phenomenon, there still must be pockets of refuge dispersed throughout the various lands of the once free nations.
I do not live in US, but if I did, South Dakota looks pretty good regarding the response:

https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_did_not_issue_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020
My Mother was born in South Dakota and my Grandmother claims moving there was the worst decision ion her life. When I visited it seemed a very harsh land with very harsh people in small towns surrounded by the barren desolate landscapes of the Badlands.


- I'm assuming that there will be no apocalypse, no specific date where everything really goes to shit. Everything will just get worse and worse, but most people will go along with it. They will just accept that their lives are getting worse and worse. The people in power are to smart to have an apocalypse, because that would mean that the entire system will collapse. I would think that the people in power would not want that to happen, because they are pretty happy with this system i guess. If anybody has any theories on why everything will crumble, please share them. I'm curious about this.

Please share your thoughts on my thoughts =)
“Ours is essentially a tragic age, so we refuse to take it tragically. The cataclysm has happened, we are among the ruins, we start to build up new little habitats, to have new little hopes. It is rather hard work: there is now no smooth road into the future: but we go round, or scramble over the obstacles. We’ve got to live, no matter how many skies have fallen.”  D H Lawrence

Each Generation has to face its apocalypse as well as its renaissance . Systems rise and fall outside of the best laid plans of mice and men. Im not sure if there is a human will on top controlling the flow of events. I tend to feel that there are impersonal forces and higher powers at work in guiding the unfolding of evolving systems that work on levels beyond the notions of human hierarchical power schemes. This life is a collaborative effort and each of us has influence over and are influenced by the other. Part of the dance of Kali, wheel of existence and the illusions of Maya are there to trick us into handing over our divine power to the imps, dominating and trickster spirits. These incessant struggles for power and control; through cycles of epic conflict and collaboration; and the taking on of the various roles; our world is created and evolved. The constant conflict and struggle is just as much of a necessity to the act of creation as is the tranquility, beauty, and Peace. Frustrations arise when we try to place human morals and judgment upon the forces of nature, as well as projecting our own feelings upon others. This frustrations and projections are also a vital part of the dance, and it motivates the drives and inspires individual beings into taking actions which further perpetuate the cycles of living and dying.
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If I didn't have family in Pennsylvania I would move to NH.  Their state rep Mike Sylvia is proposing succession from the Union due to it's tyrannical behavior.  I no longer salute the federal flag either. It means tyranny, imperialism, and corporate feudalism over Americans.

I remember after the 911 false flag I renounced material possession and denounced US imperialism and lived like a vagabond for over a year, before reconciling with the Empire. Its a damn complicated topic, on the one hand the US Empire has stabilized much of the world after WW2 and has somewhat kept other authoritative regimes from running entirely amok, while at the same time its been involved in the subjugation abuse and murder of innocent people. There is no easy answer to the question of how nations should justly wield their power or to what means are justified to secure the general welfare? Or who is to say what the General welfare Means? These conflicts are also an eternal part of the divine comedy and tragedy of life and are destined to play out within each of the lives of the children of earth, as each of us pursues our own multifaceted objectives.

https://vimeo.com/327923084

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Personals / Re: Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by smokeyquartz on January 15, 2022, 12:39:17 am »
If I didn't have family in Pennsylvania I would move to NH.  Their state rep Mike Sylvia is proposing succession from the Union due to it's tyrannical behavior.  I no longer salute the federal flag either. It means tyrrany, imperialism, and corporate feudalism over Americans.
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Personals / Re: Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by MarkR on January 14, 2022, 06:51:41 pm »
I'm also thinking about this. My thoughts so far:
- Depending on your time frame, i do not think there is any country that is safe. The countries that really go against the madness will just have their presidents replaced. So maybe some country or state looks good now, it might not be the case in the (near) future. So i'm more thinking about finding a local area that seems good, regardless of the country/state/province it is in.
- My wife is from Spain, and therefore it would be easier for us to move to Spain, because she i native and i (being Dutch) can just go along with her. Spain is not any better or worse than the Netherlands (where we are now) regarding the madness, Spain does have an enormous amount of empty land. Just like many other countries. So we are thinking of getting a camper and exploring the empty parts. Ground is very cheap there, and therefore we might be able to buy some without any mortgage. If you move away to be more self-sustained, it would be  good to go to a place where the land is cheap(er).
- My assumption is that in small remote communities people will still believe in the madness, but i'm assuming that they will not quickly go running to the police when people do not go along with it all. I would be interested in your thoughts about this. As i'm very doubtful about the back-stabbing nature of people that i do not know. And also about that nature of people i do know, for instance i would not be surprised if my sister in law in the future would report me to some anti 'anti-vaxx' authority.
-  I have been doing some research and experiments in trying regenerative ag with (grazing) animals, and it really seems possible to improve any land to a great extent wrt fertility. So for looking at land that can actually sustain some people, i think with time most land should be able to do it. It will not some (time) investment in the beginning to possible get it to that state. But im willing to get cheaper land now that has to be restored a bit, compared to getting more expensive land. If you do not take care of it properly, you will deplete the fertility over time anyway. So you will have to learn proper management in any case. I read that 5 acres, ~2ha, should be enough for a family to be completely self sustained (that is included tons of vegetables that many people here will most likely not need for themselves).
- I will not go to any different continent, both our families are in Europe, and i do not want to risk not being able to fly anymore in the future. ( i saw some governmental plans of the UK a while back where they were discussing closing almost all airports in the UK for climate reasons). Staying in Europe, it will be always possible to visit, even if it is by foot.
- I'm trying not to have the 'undead/sheep/zombie apocalypse' dictate my actions. I have realised during all this craziness that family, good food and nature are most important. And im trying to change my life now more in that way. Moving to a remote place in nature to homestead is just something that seems like a good thing to do, whether there is complete madness in the rest of the world or not.
- Related to the above point, i think that if you wait for the day of the apocalypse to start with acting, you will be very (to) late. That is why i want to move ASAP. My wife is finishing some studies here now, and after that i would really want to make serious steps to move and be more self-sufficient. It will take many years to develop your homestead and communities before you are self sufficient.
- I'm assuming that there will be no apocalypse, no specific date where everything really goes to shit. Everything will just get worse and worse, but most people will go along with it. They will just accept that their lives are getting worse and worse. The people in power are to smart to have an apocalypse, because that would mean that the entire system will collapse. I would think that the people in power would not want that to happen, because they are pretty happy with this system i guess. If anybody has any theories on why everything will crumble, please share them. I'm curious about this.

Please share your thoughts on my thoughts =)
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Personals / Re: Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by tonyvee on January 14, 2022, 05:46:09 pm »
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So instead of waiting until the last minute to prepare an escape plan, I would be interested in brainstorming with others about prospect locations that would be ideal for raising sheep semi off grid, near a community of people dedicated to maintaining maximum personal freedom through the duration of the War. A place of low enough population density with enough quality grazing land to actually support a small self sustaining community.

I do not live in US, but if I did, South Dakota looks pretty good regarding the response:

https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_did_not_issue_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020
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Personals / Re: What happened to svrn?
« Last post by dariorpl on January 14, 2022, 04:01:47 pm »
Yeah so I watched what smokey posted, there is no way that's the same person, even with massive face surgery.
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Personals / Re: Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by dariorpl on January 14, 2022, 03:47:18 pm »
I believe safety is in community, you need the right people in your area but also elsewhere, as what's safe today, may not be safe tomorrow. Having options ahead of time so that decisions must not be made in a rush and without proper consideration, is key.

Also keep in mind that it's not only the destination you should worry about, but the voyage.

Since few slaves step off the plantation with any frequency, it's most easy to target the ones who do than to constantly whip the ones staying put like they're supposed to.
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Personals / Re: What happened to svrn?
« Last post by dariorpl on January 14, 2022, 03:29:34 pm »
I didn't know svrn was MilkJar, that said, and I noticed this before reading posts here, and even though I only saw a few hours of footage of MilkJar several years ago (I never saw that series that got him banned)... I can pretty much guarantee that the guy in that video you posted is not Milk Jar.
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Personals / Where is the best land for a Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by sabertooth on January 14, 2022, 02:03:42 pm »
This is just a hypothetical, I’ve been pondering lately. My homeland has been infiltrated by legions of Covid Mad Walking Brain Dead Lemmings and as much as I plan on standing my ground and fighting the good fight, it would be prudent to have an escape plan in such times of uncertainty and persecution. Where I live is a liberal leaning city of over 300,000 people, so if things begin to go zombie apocalyptic, there will be a need to relocate asap.

So instead of waiting until the last minute to prepare an escape plan, I would be interested in brainstorming with others about prospect locations that would be ideal for raising sheep semi off grid, near a community of people dedicated to maintaining maximum personal freedom through the duration of the War. A place of low enough population density with enough quality grazing land to actually support a small self sustaining community.








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Personals / Where is the best land for Raw Paleo refugee?
« Last post by sabertooth on January 14, 2022, 02:03:15 pm »
This is just a hypothetical, I’ve been pondering lately. My homeland has been infiltrated by legions of Covid Mad Walking Brain Dead Lemmings and as much as I plan on standing my ground and fighting the good fight, it would be prudent to have an escape plan in such times of uncertainty and persecution. Where I live is a liberal leaning city of over 300,000 people, so if things begin to go zombie apocalyptic, there will be a need to relocate asap.

So instead of waiting until the last minute to prepare an escape plan, I would be interested in brainstorming with others about prospect locations that would be ideal for raising sheep semi off grid, near a community of people dedicated to maintaining maximum personal freedom through the duration of the War. A place of low enough population density with enough quality grazing land to actually support a small self sustaining community.








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General Discussion / Re: Video about raw egg consumption in Japan
« Last post by norawnofun on January 14, 2022, 06:09:42 am »
That was the last one. sorry about the spam, but had to split it. Btw. this is not my research...
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