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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2010, 06:14:02 am »
So people are stating that it is physically possible to put raw honey into jars without heating it in any way, and still making it commercially viable re profit?!
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2010, 09:11:47 am »
Yeah, Aajonus has claimed that for years, for example. You buy honeycomb and are suspicious of any jarred honey, right? Do you have evidence that Aajonus and cold-packed raw honey sellers are wrong and that honey can only be jarred and sold profitably if heated?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2010, 09:38:58 am »
Only my own and a few others' experiences. I have yet to come across 1 jarred, so-called raw honey which did not affect me far worse than raw honeycomb.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2010, 12:01:29 pm »
But wouldn't apple juice affect you differently to apples?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2010, 08:22:16 pm »
I checked with Earlville Farms and they say the Vitaglo price is legit. Vitaglo apparently makes their money on high volumes with "razor thin margins." Unfortunately the little guys can't compete with the big guys' prices.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2010, 06:11:57 am »
Just came across this video, he talks about the importance of getting organic honey to avoid toxins and GMO's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rddFt_i6pk

Anyone know anything more about this? I am not sure how a bee could be confined to only organic flowers, etc.

I get cold packed honey from honey pacifica and they are not organic--but on the other hand it says "wild flower honey", so in that case would it matter if its from the wildflowers in the hills?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2010, 06:38:25 am »
@ B.Money

Bees fly up to 1.5 miles/2.5 km away from the hive to get nectar.
So I am guessing if the flower fields are wild and organic within a 3 km radius of the hive you should be safe.

Wild flowers in a relatively remote area should be pretty organic...

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Yesterday I ate lots of buckwheat blossom honey, its one of the best man, it tasted insanely sweet but bitter (in good way).
Its the darkest honey I have ever seen...
I heard the darker honeys have more antioxidants then lighter ones.
Some wildflower honeys are pretty light but have great floral or citrus tastes.
But the buckwheat one tastes special from the others...I slept like a dead log from it too, good.
Man I can live on meat and honey, lol, but I am not going to.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #107 on: November 14, 2010, 08:31:46 am »
I use desert wildflower and flagstaff wildflower honey. I don't trust the word "organic" as much as i trust my ability to ask questions. I found a place that provides WONDERFUL honey but not "organic". If you don't have the time to hunt for it, i would go with "organic" crystallized honey just to be safe. But they can still use chemicals, just different ones approved by the USDA(i think maybe FDA).
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2010, 10:44:20 am »
Yeah, 'organic' apples are usually still treated with pesticides...
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2010, 10:47:45 am »
Really? I didn't know organic applies can still be sprayed. How do they get around that?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #110 on: November 14, 2010, 02:57:52 pm »

That's my truly raw honeycomb.
I got it with the frame, directly from a local traditional beekeeper.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #111 on: November 14, 2010, 04:44:35 pm »
That looks really tasty, and crunchy, and sweet.

I like buckwheat honey the best but I'Ve only tried buckwheat and wildflower. I like the buckwheat way better than the wildflower. Honey and meat do go together really well. Even milk and vegetable juices go well with them. and fruit
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2010, 04:59:25 pm »
I friend beekeeper had left a 200 liters (yes, two hundreds!) drum of such honey in my basement! It was a little bit spoiled and not good for sale, but still fine and tasty for me. I kept a 10 liters pot when he finally took the drum away to give to his pigs... The honey has somewhat fermented, I like it so but i don't eat much of it - and very seldom. I think it 'll last for the whole rest of my live  :P
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2010, 06:36:53 pm »
I used to have natural wild honey all the time from my grandma's home. It's a huge home (Historic garden home) with tropical fruits garden, flower garden, huge pond... gorgeous! Bees are always naturally attracted by these natural beauties and flowers all year round. Still there are some bee hives around the house. Here is a photo where you can see even the bees are on it.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2010, 06:41:15 pm »
Sorry, i don't know the proper way to put photo on this topic
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2010, 10:43:58 pm »
Is it possible that honeycomb from abroad (eg from newzealand is a common one) has been treated with gamma radiation and if so is that a problem?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2010, 01:31:21 am »
Quote from: B.Money on November 14, 2010, 10:47:45 am
Really? I didn't know organic applies can still be sprayed. How do they get around that?

They spray them with organic pesticides.

Quote from: raw on November 14, 2010, 06:41:15 pm
Sorry, i don't know the proper way to put photo on this topic

Click on 'additional options' outside the bottom-left corner of your text box, as you're typing your reply. Then next to 'attach', click 'choose file'.

Quote from: Iguana on November 14, 2010, 04:59:25 pm
I friend beekeeper had left a 200 liters (yes, two hundreds!) drum of such honey in my basement! It was a little bit spoiled and not good for sale, but still fine and tasty for me. I kept a 10 liters pot when he finally took the drum away to give to his pigs... The honey has somewhat fermented, I like it so but i don't eat much of it - and very seldom. I think it 'll last for the whole rest of my live  :P

WOW.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2010, 02:53:08 am »
Man that honey comb looks sooooo goood. I used to love the cappings from "really raw honey" but I figure the source I have now is better quality.

It LOOKS like Honey Pacifica (cold/hand packed honey) uses some smoke to scatter/calm the bees and they use powdered sugar if there is a mite problem (got this off of a comment on youtube). Is this within reason, and still considered a good/safe source?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2010, 05:50:51 am »
Quote from: B.Money on November 15, 2010, 02:53:08 am
It LOOKS like Honey Pacifica (cold/hand packed honey) uses some smoke to scatter/calm the bees and they use powdered sugar if there is a mite problem (got this off of a comment on youtube).

    I think you're right, they use smoke, or did a couple of years back. They may have stopped using smoke now.  How does powdered sugar stop mites? Do you have a link to that video? Maybe I can ask the OP.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2010, 06:59:46 am »
Yeah, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOvRsLSf6E

Look in the comments, it looks like the person who shot the video is the grandson of the founder according to the description.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2010, 09:09:43 am »
I did a quick search and only found one mention of an unsmoked raw honey. Are there any others?

Pureliving Honey
unheated and non-smoked
http://onibasu.com/archives/km/4923.html

Does it make a difference whether it's smoked or not, given that hunter gatherers and traditional peoples like the Honeymen of Africa use smoke to calm stinging wild bees as they gather the honeycomb/grubcomb?
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2010, 01:03:54 pm »
Quote from: PaleoPhil on November 15, 2010, 09:09:43 am
Does it make a difference whether it's smoked or not, given that hunter gatherers and traditional peoples like the Honeymen of Africa use smoke to calm stinging wild bees as they gather the honeycomb/grubcomb?

I would guess it would be better without. Tiny amounts of tar should not be too hard on the body though..
Imagine that... smoking a blunt, blowing it at the bees getting them high, and eating their honey while they are stoned
You better hope those bees are not scrappy stoners. LOL
Do you know what herb they used to smoke the bees with? a link would be fantastic
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« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2010, 12:47:03 am »
    If I could, would go for the no smoke, especially if detoxing from smoke and stuff.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #123 on: January 01, 2011, 03:04:29 am »
It seems like honey pacifica's cold packed honey gives me issues (looser stools) while really raw honey doesn't at least thats how I remember it. Could this be possible, or am I just nuts? If anything I would think the really raw honey is more processed since it seems to be a bigger company.
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Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« Reply #124 on: January 01, 2011, 03:14:31 am »
Loose poopies could mean detox. I always feel better after mud slides.
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