Your body produces carbs out of protein and fat.  Doesn't this mean that it is impossible to rid your body of carbs?  I have also read on the zero carb forums that sugars are the only thing bacteria can feed on to cause cavities; yet I have never had a cavity in my entire life... until I tried zc.  They shrunk and I only have one small dot on my back right molar now... after I added carbs again.

I guess I'm just not sold on the candida issue being inherently related to carbs. 

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That's pretty interesting Lex.  So your body takes over 1/2 of your protein and converts to glucose?  I have to ask though, why not just eat some carbs, if you're going to get a blood sugar response anyways?  What's the biological difference between eating some carbs and having carbs synthesized from protein and fat?  Other than the obvious digestive differences.

Our bodies have to have insulin.  It's the fundamental hormone for pretty much all life on the planet, and is key for almost every metabolic process in our bodies, even if in small amounts.  Greater insulin sensitivity means that less insulin is required to achieve the same effect, but no insulin means we die.  Agreed that most of us have too much though.   

Guys, I think we're missing the larger picture here:

Again, excess carbs (the kind you get from potatoes, bread, rice, etc) leads to insulin resistance, which causes overproduction of insulin, which causes overproduction of cholesterol, thickening of the smooth muscle cells in the arteries, depositing of more and more fat in fat cells, overworking the heart, a pancrease with decreased function, etc REGARDLESS of whether or not your meat is cooked.  So when you take away the carbs even on a cooked meat diet, you are reducing that response and regaining insulin sensitivity which WILL improve health and longevity overall.  I'm almost positive that's why calorie restricting diets (in general) have shown to lead to longer life span - you have taken away the insulin response (in addition to reducing the amt of toxins from cooked meat). 

If you go to zero or almost zero carb on a cooked meat diet, you are losing out on vitamin C (which you need on a cooked diet), potassium, and I'm sure a few other minerals/nutrients.  Thus the need for fruits and veggies if eating cooked meat.  Even if you're eating raw, many (not all) people still need some carbs to maintain health. 

Now if you go the other way and take out the cooked meat in favor of vegetarianism, you suddenly give your body a chance to rid itself of all those heat induced toxins from protein and fat.  Of course your health stats will go up and you will feel invigorated - at least for awhile. 

The problem is the body ultimately NEEDS animal protein and and fat, even if adulterated by cooking.  So vegetarians eventually decline in health.  Although years of eating cooked meat (especially if overcooked) will also lead to health problems, if I had to eat a cooked diet, I would take moderately cooked meat on the moderately low carb paleo plan over cooked vegetarianism any day.... even though as a RPer I generally make my cheats in the direction of cooked, even non-paleo carbs. 

Why the seeming oxymoron?

b/c it's a different conversation as you move towards the raw meat end of the spectrum.  You're body is now under the influence of fewer toxins, and it's operating more efficiently wrt digestion and utilization of animal food sources.  Introducing cooked meat to such a system is akin to taking poison + food ::  now your body (used to high quality octane) has to remove all this crap, which causes a a cascade of reactions to eliminate those toxins, often accompanied by unpleasant symptoms.  However, even cooked carbs still end up as just glucose.  This is not toxic (unless you're a diabetic with ketoacidosis), and is easily handled by your pancrease with insulin.

The big picture:

--High carbs, even raw paleo carbs, cause insulin resistance over the course of YEARS, not hours or days. 
--Vegetarianism, whether raw or cooked, leads to insulin resistance and nutrient deficiency
--Cooked meat leads to a toxic body, and combined with very low carb leads to nutrient deficiency; however,
--Cooked meat for non-raw paleo-eaters is essential for health.  They may want to consider eating more fruits/veggies and nuts than their raw counterparts, and even some low temp extracted oils from fatty plant sources (olives, nuts, coconut, avocado), but not vegetable and highly processed oils.  These are not ideal for raw paleo'ers.

--Cooked meat for RPers is like taking poison + food, and thus, from a chemical standpoint, it's probably healthier to have the occasional cooked carb (sans any processed/cooked fat) than cooked meat.
--Raw or cooked meat, you probably should get no more than 1/4-1/3 of your calories from carbs.

ps:  glucose itself does not cause direct damage to the body, whereas toxins and altered fats do. 

That can definitely make a differnce, depending on the meat and how it's prepared.  For example if you're eating fried chicken and well done meat and lots of extracted oils (vegetable, coconut, olive, nuts, etc), then I can see how that would cause problems.  

Have you thought about eating rare steak?  If you upped the intake of rare cooked fatty beef, you might do better on reduced carbs.
Not sure how you eat your veggies, but there's a good case to be made for eating your them cooked instead of raw.  Too much raw veggies can give me a headache - I do fine on fruit tho - avocado, tomato, peppers, all fruit.        

Parkour is a pretty cool way of exercising, some of those guys do some crazy cool stuff.  I know what you mean about working on an empty stomach.  It kind of sucks at first, but then you've got all this free energy once your body kicks the fat metabolism in high gear. 

I figure after a few more years of weights, I'll start focusing more on gymnastics / parkour / crossfit type stuff, tho I do a little of these about once a week.   

I've been working specifically on improving pull ups for about a month and a half, and I'm up to 4 pull ups, and I've remained at the same weight. I used to get inflated looking when I was eating more honey and fruits, but now I eat barely any fruit, sometimes some berries on a random day, and I feel like I'm still thin but when I actually do movements I feel stronger.

4 pullups is pretty good.  Do you ever do pushups?  How many can you do?

Well I finally did a more controlled carb up.  Not as controlled as I should have; I ate too many carbs, and instead of all going to muscle glycogen, some ended up as fat.  But I definitely gained a good bit of strength and size.   

I'm going to try again either Friday or Sat morning, and make sure to regulate the carb intake a little better.  I realize the amount and even type of carbs I'm eating is not entirely paleo.  What can I say, I'm a sinner.  I tried putting on mass with the low/no carb, but I couldn't really do it as well as I'd hoped. 

I think it's probable that when fruits become available - mostly in the fall - we probably ate quite a few carbs in our paleo days.  It would be a trigger for storing fat and nutrients for the winter time.  Carbs do help you put on fat, that's for sure.   

Restaurants you can eat raw fish off naked women, nothing wrong with that.  And if you work your way over to the bar, the drinks all come in the form of body shots.  giggity!

I did hear a phrase you can use in a restaurant to get a steak cooked like 10 secs on each side: "cold and on a cold plate."  Haven't tried it, I will next time I go out.     

Protein Power by Dr. Eades.  He attributes most of it to the overconsumption of carbs which causes hyperinsulimia (sp?).  Insulin induces the overproduction of bad cholesterol, thickening of the smooth muscle cells in your arteries, obesity, and a host of other metabolic consequences that contribute to heart disease, among other things.  I'm sure that overheated fats are also a factor, but I'm not knowledgable on the science behind AGEs and the other bi-products.

I am fairly confident that a low carb diet will prevent heart disease, even if the meat is moderately cooked (as opposed to a cooked diet low in fat and high in carbs).  Of course raw is optimal for prevention of heart disease as you get the best of both worlds.

I lather up with coconut oil before a shower, and then squeeze either lemon, lime, or orange juice on my skin.  Leave a fresh citrus smell.  Also, coconut oil is a good hair product.