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General Discussion / Grapes, Now and Then
« on: January 22, 2017, 06:24:39 am »
Grapes are paleo right?

What if I step on them and wait a few weeks?  At least 1/4 of my calories are consumed in this way ;)

On a similar note, I have a story where alcohol actually cured a weeks long stomach problem.  Recently, while in Costa Rica.  Tell y'all about it if ur interested.

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Health / Re: Concussion Nutrition
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:10:37 am »
Thanks for the replies.  I've still been on the wagon for the most part, probably 70-90% RP, my cheats usually involve some sort of cooked carbs, but I still have the occasional hamburger, usually at lunch. I get plenty of raw fatty chuck steak, eggs, and fruits, altho the steak isn't ever organic grassfed, just all natural (no antiboitics/hormones) 

I don't have any high meat, but that's a good idea about the bone marrow and brain, I'll go find some today.

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Health / Concussion Nutrition
« on: February 06, 2011, 05:12:49 pm »
I apologize in advance for speling mistakes or word pooring, I just had a concussion.

Snowboarding, not sure exactly how it happened, supposedly my memory for the rest of the week should begin returning, it has a little.  Disclaimer! I have sought medical treatment, I was released from the hospital, my gf is taking care of me at home now.  I don't consider any replies or comments as a substitute for professional medical advice.

That said, I know we have some smart peeps; what do you guys think is the best raw foods treatment?  I've been eating lots of raw honey, strawberries, blueberries, and egg yolks. 

I got some oysters too, but I can't open them since my wrist is also a little messed up.  I was thinking about picking up liver since its so nutrient dense, I also figure I need plenty of raw fat, which i need to go get.

Thoughts?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:39:51 am »
Hey guys, it's been awhile since I've trolled around or given a status update.  I'm doing 70% RPD, with the occasional burger and some light drinking on the weekends.  I guess I just find it too socially impractical to never eat regular food, and consider that 70% RPD is still going to afford me lots of benefits.   

Anyhow, after the end of Feb I gave up on the VLC ketogenic plan in favor of a high carb, high protein, low fat approach.  I tried the standard BB  meal plan -  eat 6 meals a day every 2-3 hours, but that didn't seem to work for me.  In fact, I ended up putting on some extra fat and almost nothing in the form of strength.

I eventually quit the low rep powerlifting type workouts in favor of a varied workout where one set I may do 15-20, and the next I may do only 5 reps.  The most important factor is to focus on contracting the muscle you're trying to work, not just moving the weight.  When I started doing that (a tip given by a personal trainer), I started to put on size and strength again (on the high carb high protein diet).

I have a new hypothesis that was generated by an accidental discovery.  I was tired of having a 33” waist (the result of trying to bulk up) so I set out to shed some fat.  I cut out most of the carbs in favor of high protein, moderate fat, and low carb (but not VLC).  Also, I quit eating so often, eating now 3-4 times a day, and not too much at any 1 serving.  I now eat maybe 60g carbs per day, most of it coming from fruit, coconut water, and a little from marinade I use for flavor.  I’ll consume a good bit of carbs just before a workout, but try to keep it to only protein directly after.  I’ve read that insulin tends to reduce testosterone and growth hormone, even though it does blunt the rise of catabolic hormones.  Also, I’ve cut my calories by about 1/3 overall. 

I assumed that surely I would lose some muscle, but lo and behold over the past few weeks I’ve gotten stronger and bigger (not a lot, but still measurable) while I’ve dropped ½” of the waist.  Kind of odd, but I’m wondering if all those calories and eating was actually hurting me.  Maybe I was spending so much time on digestion, that I never gave my body a chance to grow and repair.  Oh yeah the savings on the pocketbook have been nice too.

Not only that, when I decide to splurge once or twice a week, it seems to have almost no effect on my waistline, instead my body takes the opportunity to grow instead of pack on any extra fat.  On the high calorie, eat every 2-3 hr plan I could never splurge without it hitting my waist the next day.
Just a hypothesis tho, maybe my results as of late have just been from a re-focus on contracting the muscles properly instead of just trying to move more weight. 

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Hot Topics / Re: What's your idea of a perfect society?
« on: September 12, 2010, 03:00:07 am »
The fact that most people here are willing to consider many different, and especially non-institutional ideas regarding diet would naturally tend to over flow to other endeavors.  At heart, I believe most of us on this forum are what you could call, truth-seekers, and we're willing to follow that rabbit trail wherever it leads, even if it means eating raw meat.

And there are some very simple truths about our governemnt and the institutionalized forces which control and shape our society.  These truths are constantly obfuscated, so when we get a look at something like strict constitutionalism, the Ron Paul movement, or libertarianism, we have a leg up in that we're wiling to consider many options, and I think have another advantage in that we don't care so much where the truth leads us, so long as we can get closer to it.

Thus, the kind of person that would eat raw meat for health is also the same kind of person that would embrace the truths of Ron Paul, stict constitutional libertarianism.  And make no mistake, the precepts of those movements are rooted in truth and transparency, even if some of the finer details may be debatable.

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Hot Topics / Re: What's your idea of a perfect society?
« on: September 04, 2010, 12:19:14 pm »
Good replies everyone.  I agree that the government has purposefully blinded us and that the primary means of control is monetary.  I agree that most people do it just for selfish gain, and I agree that it wouldn’t hurt to see greater liberty across America and the world.

However, I do think the idea of reducing global population is a "good" idea, in that it is the lesser of two evils.   I think the powers that be (think Bilderberg Group, Rockefellers, not necessarily Congress or the Prez) are going about it entirely wrong.  I think they continually jeopardize our survival by spending so much of their time trying to maintain control over people and resources, which leads us to building and maintaining a ridiculous overstuffed military, instead of building telescopes to scan the skies for impending doom.  Instead of considering the weaponization of space to deflect asteriods, we consider weaponization of space to bend "rouge" states to our will.

I think their attempt at controlling society is also linked to experimentation on people.  If you haven't read about it, look in to I.G Farben, the Nazi chemical experiments (aka death camps), and Bayer (yes the company that makes medicine).  People in 1st world countries are really just part of an experiment to test vaccines, drugs, and soon, genetic engineering.

I don’t like the idea of being controlled - and really, if a monetary system wasn’t a necessity of society (at least for now), then we wouldn’t even need centralized government (which I would like) – so I don’t like the idea of being controlled, but I do wonder what would happen if power structures didn’t limit our full growth potential.  How fast might we explode and just consume everything?  Of course, maybe the free market could work that out, but maybe not.  And since these issues affect every living thing on the planet, I tend to think there should be some worldwide and centralized amalgamation to think through these problems. 

I wish there was transparency not secrecy, I don’t understand why they constantly attempt to dominate and subjugate people just for more power/resources.  I have a hard time believing that they have our best interests at heart considering the mass experimentation and lack of directed resources at asteroid and comet impact prevention.

I’m not saying I do have good answers, just a set of ideas and series of questions that lead to complex postulations which lead to even more nebulous concepts and thoughts.  It’s been a while since I’ve thought about any of this.  I kind of had to force it to the back of my mind for a couple years just to get through the daily cycle.   

Good thread, thanks for starting (we tend to have this one come up every so often and I always enjoy reading them).
   

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Hot Topics / Re: What's your idea of a perfect society?
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:59:32 am »
Wow, what an amazing quote from one of my favorite historical figures.  Thanks for posting that. 

The idea of a utopian society is flawed from the beginning in that it completely disregards the roots of human nature.  We were borne in adversity, struggle and triumph; not just against nature for survival, but against each other for the best food/resources/women/men/etc.  In an uncivilized society it made us stronger.  Furthermore, this struggle is all emotionally driven, and each of our emotions are chemical survival mechanisms that have been honed over millennia to ensure our survival in a tribal, uncivilized setting.  [check out http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/spirituality/the-true-nature-of-emotion/   for a better understanding of emotion].

Utopian society envisions no struggle, no one with more or less, no fighting or quarrels.  It's unrealistic because of human nature.  The real question is, can our scientists, engineers, and leaders figure out how to ensure our continued survival in the face of a cataclysmic event; and can they figure out how to preserve the planet which gave us life before overpopulation destroys it. 

These are not easy questions b/c they don't have easy answers.  If you don't have the stomach for it, turn back now.  The reality is that one day a comet is going to devastate us.  The reality is that while the planet can hold and feed plenty more people (from a feeding people perspective we aren’t overpopulated), all of those people do things like build cars, TVs, houses, consume resources – which all creates waste.  Toxic waste that pollutes our land, our sea our air.  Waste that kills insects, bees, reduces our intelligence.  Food that reduced lifespan, health, IQ. 

Civilization has created the de-evolution (devolution) of mankind in that people who would not survive in the wild b/c they lack the strength or intelligence, continue to pass on their genes.  They don’t get weeded out.  WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVOLVING.
And we are in the process of poisoning our planet due to overpopulation (the kind that consumes too many resources and produces too much waste).  Not only that, one day a huge meteor will be on a collision course with Earth.  Hopefully we have our weapons pointed at the right target instead of each other. 

So do you see why there may be some people in high places that don’t see any other way than to reduce populations and keep them under control?  Do you see how we are faced with a moral dilemma:  Do nothing, let people have their liberty until we poison the planet and cause mass death and suffering; OR try to forcibly reduce population using GMOs, vaccines, laws, etc.  They’re both “evil” outcomes.  Pick your poison.

To conclude:  for those of you who see utopian humanity as a simple, farming, growing culture with little emphasis on science and development, you ultimately believe that the doom of humanity finds us at a point and time of nature’s random choice.  We can’t go that route.  We have to form society, explore science, figure out how to ensure our survival and reverse temporary inevitable devolution with advanced technology (think genetic engineering) and try not to destroy ourselves with technology in the process. 

I could rant on, but that’s all that’s in me for now.

Guittarman out!

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100 grams of cricket contains: 121 calories, 12.9 grams of protein, 5.5 g. of fat, 5.1 g. of carbohydrates, 75.8 mg. calcium, 185.3 mg. of phosphorous, 9.5 mg. of iron, 0.36 mg. of thiamin, 1.09 mg. of riboflavin, and 3.10 mg. of niacin

http://www.onlyinternet.net/preceptor/rm118/advbio/2007-8/insectlab07.htm

So I guess it's not alot, but its more than insignificant.

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You guys have left out one significant source of carbs that aren't plant derived...

Bugs!

I know gross.  I tried to grow crickets once and failed, but I have eaten them.  Crunchy.  Add some seasoned salt and you've pretty much got popcorn.

I tend to think insects would have been eaten often in paleo days, but some people on the forum would disagree. 

Probably somewhat impractical, but hey, it's always an option.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: RZC Athletes that train 3+ times a week
« on: August 10, 2010, 11:14:28 am »
Wodgina, way to completely mis-characterize my experiments with zc and vlc.  I have no intent for this to get in to a big rumble about zc.  It didn't work for me (I think developing cavities after 2-3 weeks is reason enough to quit), but I do believe it works for others, that's why I was reading this thread in the first place. 

At any rate, I was in ketosis for a solid 3 months and lifting with very slow results (I was between 10-30g carbs a day).  Looking back it's possible that my routine had just stagnated, or maybe it really takes 6 months to a year for gene expression and mitochondria to fully adapt.  I gave it another try for about a month, but saw my results stagnate/decline, and just decided that I didn't want to wait to start putting on muscle, or face the possibility that I could spend all that time with basically nothing to show other than a failed experiment.

However, to be perfectly honest, I wish that vlc had worked out b/c I REALLY like the benefits of a ketogenic, vlc diet.  It's cheap, convienient, simple, satisfying... you guys all know the benefits.  I kind of consider vlc to be very similar to zc in terms of how the body processes food for fuel, which is why I'm interested in this thread. 

Like I said, I could do everything else just fine, and could maintain strength (except for the 1 month experiment - I lost b/c I didn't give my body enough time to adapt), but I just had a tough time putting anything on.  And make no mistake, lifting weights is a big deal for many athletic endeavors - baseball, football, gymnastics, etc.  Just don't get confused, there are weight lifters, and there are body builders.  The former are interested in useable strength while the latter are interested in pretty show muscles.  I'm somewhere in between, and use both strength and size as measures of success. 

djr, good luck (and I mean that).  I would really like to see some ketogenic lifters/body builders who are able to get results. 

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: RZC Athletes that train 3+ times a week
« on: August 09, 2010, 10:04:12 am »
Keto diet is great for keeping that lean body mass while maintaing strength.  I was never able to gain muscle, strength, or size in any significant amounts in ketosis. 

I was able to do pretty much any type of workout, and for long periods of time.  I could improve on cardio stuff, but I couldn't get big in the gym. 

The girls here really seem to like zc and the way it keeps their body looking, but my question is this:  where are the dudes who are significantly increasing MUSCLE and SIZE on this diet? 

Not a knock on the zc or ketogenic, I will one day go back, just not yet. 

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Hot Topics / Re: Insulin spikes do NOT cause insulin resistance??
« on: July 05, 2010, 10:01:11 am »
Hey guys, been awhile since I've been on, glad to see some new faces.  So this is slightly off topic, but I was reading this thread and suddenly realized that a lot of our opinions on implementing RPD are probably shaped by something we rarely take in to account...

Time of year and climate in which we live.  Allow me to explain:

In colder temperatures your blood thickens up to store heat, in the summer it thins out to accomplish the opposite.  Not only that, you loose salts and electrolytes more readily in dry arid environments than in cooler wetter ones.  Thus, you have greater need for replacement of salts, potassium, and the like. 

Now one of the coolest things I have enjoyed about low carb diet (ketosis in particular), is the ridiculous heat output, and how it could be cold outside but I always feel warm (touched on by Paleo Donk).  Conversely, one of the coolest things about eating watery fruit (doesn't even have to be alot) is how I'm never thirsty, even if drinking less than 8oz of water in a day [disclaimer:  that is true only if I'm not in the desert where it's 5-10% humidity].

So putting this all together, it seems reasonable to suggest that during summer time, you should up your intake of watery fruit, and during the winter time, you should lower your intake of carbs.  If you're experimenting with low carb in 100+ degrees, you might find it unsuitable, whereas if it's 30 degrees, you're more likely to think it's great.

So what I'm saying is there are often factors which affect our experiences and experiments which are overlooked: opinions formed, conclusions drawn, arguments debated, all the while not realizing that there are additional factors that explain the differing results. 

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foam roller or a tennis ball (on your back while lying down) are all forms of self masssage.  It's best to combine with stretching the those same muscles as soon as you've massaged them; this will promote good alignment and if you're lifting, strength gains.  Increases blood flow, removes knots, improves body alignment. 

If your interested in this sort of thing, check out "myofascial release."

But be careful, if you're trying to solve musculo-skeletal pain, this is one of a few things you need to do to resolve the root of the problem.  For example, my gf likes to use a tennis ball on her back, which solves the immediate pain, but doesn little to remedy the spinal alignment issues that are causing the pain in the first place.


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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: February 01, 2010, 06:07:08 am »
I'm still not quite getting my thighs parallel to the floor.  While my form has improved even from when I was doing lower weight, I want to make sure I can get perfect form before adding any more weight.  I think part of it is also a flexibilty issue.  Next lower body session (thursday) I'm going to sacrifice reps to make sure I get there.  If I can still do 10 or more, then I'll put more weight on next time. 

How much do you turn your feet out?  I'm probably about 20 degrees outward.  Also, I do squats, deadlifts, and standing shoulder press barefoot. 

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Off Topic / Re: Raw Foodism Wikipedia entry comments
« on: February 01, 2010, 02:08:41 am »
Not too bad until the end (and the lack of mention of zero carb as a variant of RPD).  It starts talking about how cooking makes more nutrients available and how a hunter-gatherer couldn't get enough calories on a raw diet, although that was under the "criticism" section. 

Otherwise it doesn't do a bad job of discussing RPD, except at times it's tough to distinguish when the article is talking about raw veganism or RAF or both. 

What should really be done is to take the separate article "Raw Animal Food Diets" and expound upon that.  The competition from those pesky vegitarians should go down some.  Also, I would recommend against the first thing in there being about those who eat rotting and fermented meat.  Maybe put that under a "variants" section. 

Maybe I'll register for Wikipedia and re-org that one.  Although I'm not so good on references and studies, I might need some help.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 31, 2010, 12:41:54 pm »
More good news.  I went snowboarding today for about 5 hrs.  I didn't eat anything.  I got home around 4PM, and then went to lift squats and deadlifts an hour later.  My squats have dropped a little from Tuesday, but my deads finally improved, it's been a good 4 weeks now since I've seen significant improvement on deadlifts.  I'm not too disappointed about the squats as 5 hrs of boarding and jumping is bound to take a little out of you.  Nonetheless, I still matched what I did for squats on this same routine 10 days ago.  (If that is confusing, I have 2 separate leg workouts that both involve squats, but only 1 involves deadlifts). 

Squat:  245lb - 11 reps and 9 reps
Deadlift:  295 - 7 reps and 6 reps
Calves and Wrists:  Just some basic calf raises and wrist curls, I improved on both of these as well.

I finally did eat at about 7PM.  I also only ate 1 meal yesterday.  I'll probably keep going w/ 1 meal a day unless that starts becoming a problem.  Next week is 2 upper body workouts, starting on Tuesday.  My next LB will be on Thur, but it won't involve deadlifts.   

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 27, 2010, 12:01:41 pm »
Ah finally good news to share.  So I'm fairly convinced that I was going through a sort of secondary adjustment if you will.

-I feel much better
-My urinary ketones have gone down, not to the low they were at first, but have dropped quite a bit
-My cold tolerance has returned
-Instead of hunger pangs between waking and lunch, I just feel that my stomach is empty w/o being hungry
-I have more energy between waking and lunch, in fact, I notice a drop in energy after lunch.  Hell, maybe I'll eventually move to 1 meal per day
-Went snowboarding this past Sunday, didn't eat anything till 4PM but had no energy problems on the mountain
-Put on a couple pounds the past few days, despite eating less food.
-Lifted today, and for the first time since starting a ketogenic diet, I felt that "this 45 lb plate feels light", "these squats feel light"
- Squats: 245lb, 14 reps and 9 reps, much improved form since last time I did squats.  Normally I don't do that many reps, but I was just able to push em out.  I'll work on getting better form before moving the weight up though.

Not only that, but I'm starting to feel the effects of rapid healing again.  I remember before that whenever I'd get hurt, I was just amazed at how fast my body would heal.  Well, I tried a jump on Sunday, landed straight on my left hip bone from a good 5 feet up.  Walking, even just moving my left leg while sitting would hurt.  I was a little worried I'd have to hold off on the gym this week (as it's a 2 lower body sessions), but somewhere in the middle of the night, it's almost like it magically got better.  I mean, still hurts a little when I push on it, but nothing that I really even think about during the day.

Thanks for the inputs, they convinced me to hold off adding any carbs back in for a little bit longer, and I suspect over the next few weeks I should start to see some significant gains again.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 25, 2010, 09:39:46 am »
Sort of a hobby, sort of a challenge.  I just like it.  I like being strong, I like lifting, I like the way I look when I put on muscle, I like the functionnality that it adds, and I think it's generally one of the most healthy forms of exercise.  I also make sure to maintain flexibility.

I used to do more of what could be considered body building, hitting the shoulders and arms a good bit, negleting to do many squats or deadlifts.  But ultimatly I was more prone to injury and becoming somewhat imbalanced in my proportions for trying to target the 'vanity' muscles if you will.  Ultimately I learned that the best way to get big and strong is to do heavy weights, 5-8 reps, no more than 3 days a week, lifting the big functional movements (so really I don't spend a lot of time on this, probably one reason I started becoming more active again on the forum).   

Now that I have the basics down (as opposed to 3 sets of 10 like almost everyone does), I'm interested to find an optimal nutrition plan, which is why I'm giving the VLC another go.  I've already proven to myself that carb metabolism would probably help me get 10-15 lbs of mostly muscle in just a few months (which is more than I've ever gained before - I'm kind of a hard gainer).  It just worked so immediately and so much better than anything I've ever done before, that I'm not even worried about getting the size I want anymore, b/c I know I can always just go back to eating a bunch of carbs and raw meat to get there if I want.

But instead I'm interested to see how a PROPER lifting routine (that is, proper for putting on strength and mass) will mix with a VLC diet.  Again, I've only just learned how to lift properly, and the difference is night and day.  So hopefully my body will adapt, I can continue with VLC, and hopefully contibute something towards the mostly neglected body of research in the realm of raw ketogenic diets and athletic perfomance. 

So yeah, part of it is about looking good naked, but there's more to it than just that.

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Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 03:05:10 pm »
After sharing this diet with MANY people, 300, 400? I've come to the conclusion that 75-100% of what someone thingks of it (right off the bat) is already decided by their own peronality or open/close mindeness no matter what you say or how you present it.     

I also tend to think that there's not necessarily a 'best' way to handle it, just a number of good ways (and a number of bad ways).  As long as you keep it pretty light-hearted and don't get to serious, people will of course respond much better.  Keep in mind you become an easy target for jokes, so do your best to roll with it, not take offense, and just laugh them off (or at least smile).

What makes the real statment to people is when they see you do this day in day out, and see that you're doing just fine.  They may have all kinds of "logical" things to say against you and/or your diet, but there's nothing they can do when you slap them in the face with reality - that is, keeping this up and being healthier and stronger than the rest.  It sort of forces most people to re-evaluate their views somewhat.

Of course, some people are just stubborn assholes who will refuse to change anything they believe no matter how much logic or evidence presented.  Others will always try to act like they're better than you b/c it's a sort of easy self validation "at least I'm not as dumb as that guy," and thus will never change either.  These f---ers piss me off too, but there's not much I can do about it, and they're generally in the minority (1 out of 10?).

For the majority, if you don't act like it's a big deal, they will generally not make too much of it either.  I would try a few different methods and see what works best, just keep these few ideas in mind and I'm sure you'll get comfortable with it eventually, which will inevitably help others to be (more) comfortable with it too.

On a side note I felt better in the gym today and made some gains over my last UB routine.  I feel like I'm rounding the corner in what has felt like a secondary adjustment period. 

 

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 24, 2010, 01:59:43 am »
I guess I wasn't clear about what I was doing.  Since 1 Jan of this year, I've been doing a straight up 100% ketogenic diet, getting usually only 15g carbs per day, ocassionally up to 30g but never more than that.  I have not been carb cycling, like my previous experiment with cyclical ketogenic diet (CKD).  Neither have I been doing a targeted ketogenic diet, consuming about 30g carbs near the workout.  I did that 1 time out of frustration this past thursday, but decided not to do it anymore until at least this next thursday to give this a little bit more of a chance.

Reducing my workout schedule is really not an option for me, as I did just fine when on carb metabolism, getting consistent gains in the gym.  I still have yet to match those gains while in ketosis. 

That's the whole point of what I'm doing.  I finally learned how to lift correctly for consitent gains in strength and size, and it worked very well while in carb metabolism.  I'm trying to see if ketosis works just as well.  If it does, I should eventually adapt, and be able to post the same kind of gains as earlier on the exact same program. 

If I have to back off and go fewer days a week, lift fewer sets or reps, or take longer breaks in between sets to accomplish the same amount of work; then I know that carb metabolism is superior to ketosis for putting on muscle (for me). 

I know that the transition is going to cause a momentary hiatus in my gains as my body adapts, but I was hoping that once I recovered my previous strength (which I have), that the rate of my gains would begin to increase, as my body increasingly adapts to burning fat. 

It took about 10 days to recover my original strength, and then I have made some small gains here and there; but some exercises are still only back to even.  Other exercises that I have made gains are showing signs of stalling. 

I don't necessarily expect (though I had hoped) that after 1 month of straight up ketosis, no carb cycling, I would be posting as good as, or better results than before.  But even if I didn't, it is important to be seeing improvements in ability to gain.  So maybe I take 10 days to recover my original strength, have problems putting on anything extra for a week or 2, but then slowly start to make better and better gains as the next couple of weeks progress (eventually I would level out of course, and I know we all hit plateaus, but I really shouldn't be getting to that for at least 8-12 weeks). 

The problem is that I recovered my strength, started putting on just little reps and weight, and then stalled at the time I would think I should have seen my results accelerating.  This was simultaneous with the confusing results with urinary ketones. 

I was frustrated when I said I was switching to TKD, but thought better of it later and haven't had any significant carbs since.  I'm going to do an UB routine I haven't done since, Thur last week, so hopefully I'll see some improvements.  If not, I'm going to stick with this until either Thursday or Saturday next week and see where I'm at. 

It's just that, if I'm going to adapt, I should be seeing some positive signs after 4 weeks, especially with a primer like lifting.  I'll keep you guys posted, hopefully with good news. 






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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 23, 2010, 01:03:19 pm »
How long did it take you to adapt to where you were making significant gains, or at least equal gains to eating carbs?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 23, 2010, 10:07:36 am »
I was getting about 15g carbs but no more than 30g any day, eating 2 meals a day, lighter for lunch (about 1 lb chuck steak) and heavy for dinner, about 1.5 lb.  I take at least 3 measurements a day: morning, after work (before workout), and before bed.  I've been showing high for a little less than a week now.  It was just last night that I had some post workout carbs.  I waited a little over an hour and then ate some fatty steak, and then 30 mins later went to bed.  My readings were almost zero, but then this morning my readings were pretty high again.  

I remember when I was VLC last year, my readings were always very low.  I'm a little perplexed as to why ketones started showing up 2 weeks after I started VLC, and especially the one reading where they were high 12 hrs the morning after a high fat no carb meal.    

I lift 3 days a week with upper / lower body splits.  So it looks like this:

Week1           Week2    
Tue:  UB        Tue: LB    
Thur: LB        Thur: UB  
Sat:  Ub         Sat: LB    

I only deadlift every other LB session, so really just once every 8-10 days, and I keep my workouts short - 45mins.  The thing is, I'm comparing my strength gains between high carb and VLC (almost entirely ignoring size as an important criteria).  I was more than capable to maintain this regimine while eating plenty of carbs.

Also, I get hungry in the morning, but definitely not hungry for meat or fat.  I'm maintaining body weight, actually put just a little bit of weight on.  In fact, I've surprisingly added to my waistline which was rather unexpected.  Again, I think evidence that my body is converting a significant amount of protein to carbs.  

Really the question that I have is this:  If I keep at VLC (without doing TKD), will my body eventually adjust to use fat to create ATP for workouts, or will it keep converting a significant amount of protein to glucose instead?  The answer is obviously somewhere in the middle, but where?  Just as weight lifting increses insulin sensitivity (increasing the metabolic pathways for processing glucose for recovery), I would expect it to do the same with using fat for energy; so that you would adapt more quickly to fat metabolism than if you did nothing.  

Again, I have shown a little gain on most exercises, but it's been 3 weeks with nothing really to brag about.  I'm fairly confident that had I maintained carb metabolism, I would have put on quite a bit more.  I'll probably render my final verdict (for me) next thursday when I lift the same UB routine I did on tuesday this week.  I stepped the weights up on tuesday which naturally decreased the reps.  So if this is really working out I should be able to pump out rep or two extra on each set, which is about the gains I was making in carb metabolism.  
  

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: January 22, 2010, 12:36:22 pm »
As of today I've decided to go off the 100% ketogenic diet and go for what's called a targeted ketogenic diet (TKD).  Basically you consume about 30g carbs before or after the gym.  It's supposed to help maintain glycogen stores.  I'm consuming after the gym.   

I'm having a little trouble understanding what's been going on with my body the past week.  I use keto strips to test ketones in the urine.  When I first got back to ketosis, my urine ketone levels went up just as I was starting to feel crappy from low blood sugar, but they dropped to almost nill the next morning and for the next 2 weeks, whether morning, noon, night, or after a meal.  Basically telling me that my body went from burning carbs+fat but not ketones (that's why they were excreted in the urine), to burning mostly just fat+ketones (no longer excreted in urine b/c they're burned up).  But lately I've had an upsurge in urine ketones.  I thought maybe I wasn't getting enough fat so last night I ate no carbs, and really upped the fat, but I still had a moderate amount.  Same thing this morning after almost 12 hrs no food and also right before the gym today. 

Does that maybe mean my body is just burning a lot of fat and not using all the ketones?  Why would that be the case?  Seems inefficient.  All I can really think is that my body is converting protein to carbs, which are for glycogen and are also getting used some for energy in the process.  I've also noticed my cold tolerance has dropped slightly, especially when my urine readings are high. 

Not only that, but I've had 3 weeks now to adapt, and my weights are just barely increasing.  I remember going to the gym, lifting those first few plates and thinking, "man this feels light today."  I don't get that feeling since in ketosis.  In fact, I haven't increased my deadlift except by 1 rep on 1 set since I've started VLC.  And on Tuesday, I couldn't complete the 2nd rep of my incline dumbell press on 85 lbs (each arm).  I was doing 2 sets of 8 for 80lbs the last time I lifted that exercise, and I had plenty of time to rest since my last upper body workout (5 days, with 2 in a row being completely off).

Now if my results in the gym had slowed but my urine ketones had remained low, I would just chalk this up to my body taking time to adjust, and give it more time.  But the fact that my body is excreting ketones makes me think that I'm converting a lot of protein to carbs for the purpose of glycogen replenishment, and that my body is inadvertently using some for energy as well.  That would explain the ketone readings, and also my stalling results in the gym. 

So why am I going to use a metabolically inefficient process to convert expensive protein to carbs when the result will be the same if I just eat carbs?  I'm actually hoping the post workout carbs will help me maintain ketosis better, as I can replace glycogen pretty quickly making it unnecessary for my body to convert protein, and thus it will switch back to using ketones soon after the shake.  I'll have to experiment with the right amt, I'm going with 25-35 right now.     

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Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 22, 2010, 11:10:20 am »
lol, it took me a while to remember not to chew on plastic stuff like pens. 

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Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 19, 2010, 01:33:05 pm »
aunaturale,

I've tried zc a couple times before.  The first time was 2-3 weeks.  My breath started to smell really bad, and then for the first time in my life, I developed cavities (purely by chance, I had a checkup a few weeks after my zc trial, but refused to have my cavities drilled/filled).  I also had bowel problems and low energy.  Adding just a few carbs - less than 30g - and my breath and energy immediately recovered; after year now, the dentist has confirmed that I no longer have dental carries, just a couple small indentations where they had gone down in the tooth some.  The other time was after at least 3 months of VLC, and I stopped after a week b/c my breath began to smell bad again.  I figured it wasn't worth it to try again, especially considering other people on the forum have had similar experiences.

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