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Science / Another idiotic humanocentric so-called "palaeo" notion debunked
« on: February 08, 2019, 07:48:34 am »

I've had issues before with various people claiming that we humans have innate rights over other species, so that, for example, it does not matter how badly we treat the animals we eat, as we are supposedly  ordained by God etc. to rule over them, because we are somehow  uniquely different. I have shown time and again, that there is no obvious set of  differences between animals and humans, that even plants are extremely complex in their behaviour, that it is very important how we treat animals as the result of sick, poorly-kept animals is always reflected in the poor nutrition of their meats/milks,thus affecting our own health etc.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Portugal
« on: February 08, 2019, 07:12:39 am »
Check the first comment for an idea:-

Primal Diet / Re: High meat question about lack of airing
« on: February 07, 2019, 03:32:21 am »

Also, TylerDurden, when you say:
The idea was that the Inuit got botulinism from storing raw meats underground for too long

Could you explain what you mean by that?  Do you mean that it was their intent to get botulism? 

I understand from AV that all bacteria is good.  So why would we single out botulism? 


The idea is that aerobic bacteria is good but anaerobic bacteria is bad. And, no, of course, the Inuit are not looking to get botulinism, it is just that there are some stories/studies about Inuit getting botulinism from eating raw aged meat stored underground, on occasion.

Off Topic / Re: Spoilt Vegans...
« on: February 06, 2019, 03:28:43 am »
Sorry, fixed the issue. I got distracted.

Off Topic / Spoilt Vegans...
« on: February 05, 2019, 06:45:46 pm »

Ridiculous, really. There are plenty of vegan cafes after all, these days.

Primal Diet / Re: High meat question about lack of airing
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:52:19 pm »
The idea was that the Inuit got botulinism from storing raw meats underground for too long. I myself find that I cannot get a real effect from just 1 marble-sized portion of high-meat, so  I always eat at least a cubic inch of raw high-meat, and often even whole platefuls of the stuff. I do not agree with Aajonus on this issue. As regards the main question, I have often left  raw meats in vacuum-packed plastic in the fridge for several days(up to 5) before they went bad(generally after 7 days they turned toxic in taste and I avoided them thereafter. Outside the fridge, I have left raw meats buried underground in a hot Mediterranean summer  for 2-3 days at a time  without issue, but I always used reasonably large plastic boxes which had 50% of the contents  of the  box consisting of air.  Basically, if there's plenty of air with the high-meat and the temperature isn't too hot, it's not the end of the world, imo, leave high-meat out for a few days.

Primal Diet / Re: difference between primal raw diet vs paleo??
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:44:33 pm »
True enough. I note that others have stolen the "raw paleo" label such as raw vegans and even sellers of beef jerky. I even noticed a box from some supplement firm which was labelled "raw paleo" in my local supermarket. Incidentally, Billa, Merkur and, to a lesser extent, Lidl, have become marvellous in the Austrian supermarket scene, now offering grassfed meats, a very wide range of organ-meats, along with  raw wild game etc.Merkur is the best of them all.

Primal Diet / Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano
« on: February 05, 2019, 03:30:57 am »
In  my early days when I still consumed raw dairy, I had no problem with salted raw dairy. After all, they want to prolong the product's existence somewhat. As long as one is not consuming other salted products, I don't see the problem. The trouble also is with various countries' laws - for example, the UK allows honey to be labelled raw as long as it is "only" heated for a short time to 80 degrees Celsius, which is ridiculous.

Primal Diet / Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano
« on: February 04, 2019, 03:33:58 am »
He also said most commercially produced so-called raw cheeses aren't really raw
That is partially true as some so-called "raw" cheeses  , such as "Pont-L'Eveque" are actually partially pasteurised.  But if one does one's research, one can find  genuinely raw cheeses.

Off Topic / Re: Can Raw Paleo help in overcoming Drinking Addiction?
« on: January 31, 2019, 07:56:39 pm »
Other than dpl's excellent suggestions, I would also recommend eating high-meat before or after the alcohol to negate the effect. Oh, and milk-thistle is a useful herb to detox the liver.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 03:07:50 pm »
The sheer low quality and pervasiveness of school food is a solid argument in favour of homeschooling.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 06:41:23 am »
While HG tribes were no doubt healthier than modern, settled peoples, it would be a real stretch to call them healthy, per se. For example, the stress-free lives of settled peoples alone counts for the greater health of wealthier city people, regardless of diet or pollution etc.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 06:38:02 am »
Why wonder? Look at Pottenger's studies. It takes 3 generations.
Wrong, all pottenger's studies showed was that taurine was desperately needed by cats , so that supplementation of taurine corrected the problem. Incidentally, taurine is easily water-soluble, so , as long as the meat is coooked in water and the water also drunk, then the cat gets enough taurine.See the mercola article re  this below:-

Also cats fed on raw plant food would also suffer from taurine deficiency:-

Note that dairy, however raw, is low in taurine:-

I was also referring to slight changes to the genome. For example, 10 generations of humans fed on a RVAF diet(minus raw dairy) might  lead to much higher fertility as well as far lower chances of birth-defects.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:01:31 am »

It would be interesting to take the offspring of the most awesomely athletic cooked food specimens, and raise them on a totally raw diet for comparison?....until then all we can do is speculate on these matters
Might backfire. There was that epigenetics study comparing 3 generations of humans, which showed that if the grandparents  smoked, then the grandchildren would have a much higher risk of asthma etc. even if their parents did not smoke. I wonder how many generations it takes  of eating RVAF to fully get rid of the negative effects of  cooked foods?

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 03:58:07 am »
Just added a bracket to your post, van. Granted, cooked foods are not 100% toxic and fatal in the immediate. And there  were always ways for humans in the past to detox some of the accumulated toxins derived from cooking,  such as regular fasting and lots of exercise, but the inflammation caused by cooking can easily harm people even in the short term, regardless. The other aspect which I think people neglect is the (likely) appallingly negative effect of cooked foods on the human reproductive process via epigenetics. A case in point was a past thread suggesting evidence that humans are natural eaters of rotting meat(re our palaeo past) and that this may well be the cause of hominid increase in intelligence/brain-size in the Palaeolithic era. If so, consumption of cooked foods could lead to us becoming homo erectus re intelligence/brain-size in 20,000 years.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 27, 2019, 12:15:20 am »
Tell yourself whatever you want. You're starting to sound like cherimoya kid. We're in a raw foods forum and you're saying that cooked foods are better. You didn't provide any substantial scientific evidence for your claims, just tons of links that you expect me to go through, many of which contain plenty of errors in your statements about the claims therein. And you rejected the scientific evidence that I provided purely on the basis that it doesn't suit your biases.
Deeply hypocritical a remark on your part. And I did not state that cooked foods were better in general, merely that they were in many ways(not all) "less worse" than raw dairy.

Science / Re: drinking milk and dying earlier
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:03:07 pm »
This is quite frankly a waste of time. I spent ages writing text on a smartphone on this nonsense as my PC was out of order at the time. Basically, my scientific and other evidence provided in this thread has been extensive whereas  dpl has merely provided poor scientific studies on rare occasions and mostly just  religious-fundamentalist opinions on raw dairy. No point in continuing. Hier stehe Ich, Ich kann nichts anders.

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