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General Discussion / Re: Is variety important?
« Last post by thehadezb on October 16, 2018, 07:34:05 am »
I think variety, but local and seasonal is paleo. Eating foods imported more than 500 miles away may be considered unpractical. Just add some organ meats, seafood, heirloom fruit every time is in season near your area.
Hot Topics / Re: Fruitarian testimony
« Last post by thehadezb on October 16, 2018, 06:54:40 am »
Interesting. I understand the mechanism behind bacteria feeding on sugar, but how the Ca:Mg ratio does affects teeth enamel?
Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« Last post by norawnofun on October 16, 2018, 05:56:47 am »
In that case, if you can´t find a proper source leave it out. No point of eating someting that makes you feel bad. If you can´t get the real deal don´t touch it, otherwise it can aggregate your symptoms.
General Discussion / Re: Jordan Peterson has gone carnivore
« Last post by norawnofun on October 16, 2018, 05:54:13 am »
I am with you and I´d like to share my experience after being on the carnivore since July.

I eat cooked lamb shanks, beef ribs in water and lately chicken drum sticks and chicken legs. Lamb and beef I soak in salt water for a couple of hours to get the minerals out of the bones (dunno if that works but I don´t want to use any plant substances such as vinegar or lemon juice) and boil them for 3-4 hours in water. Then I eat the whole meat broth with no added spices whatsoever, only the already added salt. Chicken I put in the oven for 1-2 hours on 180 degrees celcius to make them soft. I eat that with salt and sometimes commercial mustard. I found these 3 meats to be the best for me. Turkey would be better in terms of fat content but the feed is worse so I stay with chicken. Pork, even though soaked in vinegar or salt to remove the lectins causes issues. Fish my body doesn´t crave. I sometimes do eat beef tartare with beef, egg yolk and salt. With every meal I eat I have a lot of raw goat cheese and raw milk, either goat or sheep.

In the 4 months I eat carnivore I had around 5 cheat meals which consisted of button mushrooms, veggies in sauces such as garlic, onion, potatoes and some herbs and once I had ice cream. I do drink green tea daily and sometimes have raw greek honey, but I´m still uncertain regarding that. My blood pressure is very good. Blood test pending.

There is something else that I would suggest doing if you want to know the conditions of your organs. Follow the instructions of this video: when you will do the excercises at the end (circling the area), lying on your belly, you will feel a sensation at the organs that are in trouble. Sensation meaning when you touch them you get very sensitive and you might need to stop. That can be around the kindeys, bowels, liver, gallbladder or solar plexus. I find this excercise to be very precise and very effective. First time I did it I had an enormous emotional reaction. So the less you feel there the better off your organs are, at least in my experience and opinion.

I don´t eat plant foods after carnivore, I do experiment with alcohols such as red wine, sherry, fernet branca, swedish bitters and other alcohols to increase my HCI, but so far I don´t think any of those really works except red wine. As far as I know alcohol increases HCI and it always works for me. I tried for the 3rd time to have HCI tablets but it makes me fell ill in the stomach and blocks digestion so I stopped. I remember AV saying that HCI supplements arent´t good. He might have been right here. In one of his interviews he noted:

"HCI supplement is bad as its not complete, and it can inhibit certain bacteria to digest food and not assimilate it properly. So u may have poorly digested proteins."

I tried HCI supplements with different intervals. Before food, with food, 15 min after food, 30 min after food and 45 min after food. All failed. Therefore I still believe that the best way to heal the body is by NOT taking any helpers whatsoever. The body is supposed to learn to digest the foods you eat, especially if you have eaten plant based before. Even if HCI is supposed to help. I used to eat a LOT of plant based foods which brought me into this low HCI mess, now I don´t eat any and I think that´s the best way to go to naturally increase it, which after carnivore it did. I do however think that herbs and mushrooms are in a differnt category, and by now I strongly believe that these can heal rather than harm. I still need to do more research about that, especially about mushrooms which are fascinating, since they are in the same category as humans and meats.

But when summarizing these 4 months of carnivore I can say that this is the best way of eating I ever did. Out of my personal experience I would recommend not to eat any plant based foods, and I think you would heal much faster. Doing zero carb might be even better, but that would mean no dairy and no eggs, for sure not honey or bee pollen. Only meat, water and salt. But that is too hardcore for me and I think that some people might need these carbs. So if I were you surfsteve, I´d try going full carnivore, with no plant based foods whatsoever, and see how it goes. And when it comes to body odor I wouldn´t worry. Since eating carnivore I have zero smell, zero farts and by now I sweat less (you will sweat more in the beginning). One thing you might realize though, you will need to drink a lot more water, unless you eat plenty of raw meats and drink a lot of raw dairy.
Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« Last post by Gatsuri on October 16, 2018, 05:14:04 am »
It's not that I don't want to experiment further but the symptoms are way too bad digestion wise with the A1 raw milk/ raw cheese/ and even raw butter I am finding, those things just make my stools hard as rock. And these things were already difficult to find organic and raw. Probably goat dairy would be easiest to find but like I said the risk of bad symptoms would just give me stress while I am already feeling the best I have ever felt on my current diet without dairy. I do recognize of course that dairy has a lot of good nutrition if you are able to digest that stuff.
Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« Last post by norawnofun on October 16, 2018, 04:29:48 am »
Always make up ur own mind when it comes to certain foods. What´s not good for others might be beneficial for u. From my own perspective I could see a big difference between A1 and A2. I drank around a liter of A1 Holstein/Friesian milk which were commercial fed and I drank a lot more of Jersey Cows which are supposed to have a higher A2 trait. I had no issues with the Jerseys, also commercial fed, but I had an immediate negative response to the Holstein/Friesian, even though the Friesian were fed MUCH more pasture than the Jerseys (the Jerseys were ONLY fed with GMO pellets which I found out after seeing the feed label by coincidence some months later).

I am from european descent and I did a lot of research when it comes to A1/A2, and it´s far from a 'hoax'. If you research more about this you will understand. Certainly you might be one of these few people which cannot digest any dairy at all, but that can be doubtful. Do you know what their feed is, especially in winter, do you know what treatment the cows get when being ill, do you know the living conditions of the cows, do you know if they still have horns, do you know what trait they have? The only way to get proper raw milk is to speak to the farmer, inspect the animals, see the living conditions, see if they are certified organic, check for the horns and taste a bit of the milk. Most commercial dairy cows nowadays are of A1 descent. However, in certain countries there are still a lot of indigenous breeds, such as the Pinzgauer or Fleckvieh in Austria or the Modicana in Sicily, and I did not have any issues beside the raw butter, which is most probably due to the high saturated fat content. So I would say it also depends where you live and what cattle they use. Some countries use a lot of the shitty A1 breeds which can give you problems, regardless if raw or not.

Therefore, if you want raw milk there are certains things to consider. 1. Always opt for Organic and pasture. 2. Try Goat or Sheep milk if you can´t handle cows milk 3. Go for indigenous breeds rather than commercial cattle. It can be hard to find a farmer which does not have A1 cows, but they exist. So only if you have checked ALL these things, and you still have bad symptoms (not related to detox), only then you can clearly verify that any kind of mammalian milk, except mothers milk, is not good for you, regardless what anybody says. If milk would be so harmful and shitty, it would have not been drank for thousands of years by so many ancient cultures and tribes. So, whatever is in commercial and even raw milk nowadays, is NOT what we are supposed to indigest to heal certain conditions. And raw milk can heal, has nothing to do with just being a variety or a 'nice' addition to your diet, it can help you a lot, or it can harm you if you get the wrong type of milk, or if you are in these apparently 5 percent. But people nowadays just don´t grasp the true meaning of proper raw milk. As with many other things. And that truly pisses me off. It´s like a Vegan saying Animal Products make you sick and give you cancer, even though they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Bulking with animal products versus carbs?
« Last post by Gatsuri on October 15, 2018, 04:43:57 pm »
Awesome, yeah I have the same reaction to spices maybe even salt it does not really give me any benefit just adds more taste to the meal I guess. That's a lot of organs :p I try to get 1 to 2 livers or so in per week, I think my vitamin stores are pretty good now after eating this way for a while. I find it's way easier to get in the calories with the raw animal products, the cooked animal products fill me up quickly and I have to stop so I do a mix of raw and cooked.
Primal Diet / Re: A1 versus A2 dairy, any difference?
« Last post by Gatsuri on October 15, 2018, 04:38:40 pm »
Yeah I see, probably not even worth trying for myself. Those that can handle dairy are lucky, adds some nice variety..
Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Bulking with animal products versus carbs?
« Last post by surfsteve on October 15, 2018, 12:52:22 pm »
Definitely! Though I wonder if you will bulk as much as you would with carbs there's no doubt in my mind you will be leaner. I just started working out heavy again. I find organ meats work particularly well for bulking and are superior over muscle meats. I been taking one or two each of: liver, thymus, bulls balls and tripe each day. Each smoothie contains about 4 oz. of meat meaning I consume one to two pounds of raw organ meat daily. I eat equal to slightly less muscle meats consisting mainly of beef, salmon and shrimp, in that order. A week or two ago I was eating less than half that much meat and lots of veggies. I feel so much better lately, both mentally and physically. Was concerned of developing body odor on account of all the meat but I don't think it's any worse, maybe even better. Anyway I researched all kinds of ways to get rid of body odor. Been using essential oils but trying to get away from them and discovered a few tablespoons of borax in a quart of water makes a great deodorant spray that is enough to last for quite a long time. I'm surprised that it works even better than the oils and is a zillion times cheaper. I am also amazed that you can use it for hair and even get it in your eyes. I read you aren't supposed to but then I remembered when I was a kid they used boric acid as an eye wash. As an experiment I intentionally put a spray of borax in my eye and it actually felt soothing. I read that some countries, including Australia have banned borax but here in the states it's really cheap and available.

For years and years I have always used a ton of herbs and spices on my meat but after hearing Jordan Peterson rant and rave about how he only eats beef and salt and water I decided to try only seasoning my meat with (Celtic sea) salt and was surprised to find it tastes great! Perhaps I am onto something and all those spices (instead of helping me) were putting unnecessary stress on my kidneys and liver. I think the essential oils were doing that too. Only started this a couple days ago but I feel noticeably less back pain. Am getting the feeling that vegetables aren't as good as everyone thinks they are and starting to believe that they produce poisons intentionally to help keep us from eating them and that we can cope with them but that they are not the ideal food for man. Still doing wheatgrass and lemons and am going to try this for a while and see how it goes.

Getting back to meats it's been my experience that organ meats allow you to cut fat and add bulk at the same time.  It just doesn't get any better than that!
General Discussion / Australian sources of raw foods
« Last post by madnomad on October 15, 2018, 10:22:11 am »
Any Aussies on this board?

If so, would you mind sharing your local sources of raw meats/seafood in your daily diet? I am trying to figure out quality sources of local grass fed and wild game/seafood available here and would appreciate input from others on what they have found works well for them in Oz.

Plenty of saltbush lamb and roo meat in my area. Imported and some local seafood in the shops but don't know enough about which local seafood (squid/banana prawns) would be preferable raw (which ones don't have chemical washes, preservatives, etc).
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