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I have found coconut oil to be not very appealing to taste or effective in therapeutic uses, other than topical skin care....I have used it in the past to cleanse, before I realized how counterproductive cleansing protocol can be. A body under siege with yeast overgrowth needs maximum nourishment, and though cleanses can temporarily clean out yeast they do not address the underlying deficiencies and imbalances which trigger the yeast to begin with.

Coconut butter may be something that only certain individuals can optimal metabolise copious amounts of, I had a unique metabolic condition early into this diet which may not apply to many other people...for some reason Im now recalling that months before going raw paleo, I was on an extreme yeast reduction diet that was high fat vegetarian based...lots of cooked vegetables and copious amounts of olive oil, with some coconut oil, nuts and seeds....at first it worked well and the vegetable fats though not optimal were a little better than the extremely low fat diet I was on before. Coincidently I ended up discovering coconut butter at the same time I was transitioning to Raw paleo, and found that it was a much better source of vegetable fat than olive oil or coconut oil, and I used it to help supplement in the days before I could source enough quality animal fats. Im not exactly sure how, but during that time my gut issues resolved and yeast overgrowths abated. Perhaps during this period I developed an extreme tolerance to coconut, which may not be possible for most other people. Its hard to say, that's why I wont guarantee it will work for everyone, but I will suggest it as a better alternative to the oil for clearing up gut yeast. It is a whole food and I believe the fiber and low glycemic carbs along with the fat can be beneficial for feeding fat friendly anti yeast microbes in the gut. 

There are some fundamental misconceptions about what these overgrowths actually represent....they are not the aberration of uninvited microbial parasites portrayed by the alternative health community...Yeast overgrowths are a necessary component of life fulfilling the specific biological function of a clean up crew...these organisms consume excess unmetabolized waste in organisms whose metabolic and immunological functions are not working properly. Though the yeast excretitions have toxic effects, the overgrowth is a merely a symptom which gets confused with the cause...and without the fungal break down elimination of excess toxoid metabolites rendered by the yeast organisms, the body in many cases would become entirely inundated with unmetabolized bio waste and suffer from even greater degridations. The cycles of yeast overgrowth performs a necessary catabolic function which the bodies systems are in some way failing to preform.

To remedy the situation holistically, the evocation of proper a gut microbiome must be nourished into existence. Instead of having the yeast demons purged through unorthodox and unholy forms of cleansing, it is much better to find ways to welcome the kinder and gentler acting symbiotic angelic microbes and build up a strong gut with optimal intake of pre-biotic factors, along with the elimination of toxoid forming compounds.

In many cases it can take time to re-range a deranged metabolism, begin to optimally assimilate nutrients, eliminate metabolic waste efficiently and populate with proactive microbes.....when the biome begins to shift it can be difficult to know if the symptoms are a positive sign due to a die off, or if it is a negative reaction with no real benefit. Being able to hone the gut instinct is critical to developing a style of living and eating which best suits the particular individual...and I believe that taking artificial supplements (cleanses, herbs, vitamins) along with highly antigenic foodstuffs, can confuse and obscure the guts ability to truthfully assess the situation and make reasonable decisions....Bad habits and chronic environmental exposures once established, tend to build up the type of biome needed to deal with the kind of problems caused by such bad habit and environmental exposures, and this results in a vicious cycle. The cyclically formed tolerances to aberrant ways of life, on one hand allow ones being to cope with extreme adversity and form mutagenic mitigation systems that circumvent and transcend past biological imperatives.....while on the other hand it perverts and prevents ones own enteric gut brain from being able to break free from habitual rituals and forge new pathways.

Ive long wrestled with these inner demons both on meta-spiritual and micro-bio levels(as is above so is below and beyond) I understand as much as anybody how difficult life can be when the forces of nature go awry. From what Ive learned a multidimensional approach is helpful in dealing with these problems. Its also important to realise diet isn't the all and everything.... fresh air, sunbathing, untreated spring water, relaxation, human relationships, avoidance of chemical and metal pollutants are all equally important for mitigation remission of such overgrowths.

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The typical prescribed flushes are not typically effective for permanently eliminating yeast overgrowth, and in my opinion they aren't necessary and could even be hindering total recovery.

If you are doing a carnivore cleanse, then go all in, eliminated all supplements and anti fungal herbal protocol...

I personally stay very low carb, high fat, whole animal and will also eat a large amount of coconut butter..... a combination that has helped me eliminate yeast without having to go through all those horrid cleanses. 

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Hot Topics / Re: HGH , Anabolic Hormones vs RAW MEAT and old age
« on: August 03, 2018, 01:04:42 am »
I've noticed that poor quality organ meats will cause pimples, along with other environmental liver stressors. Sometimes I will get an old EWE that isn't quite optimal, and will lead to weird symptoms such as acne and PMS. Its probable that hormonally unbalanced animals will pass on negative hormonal effects to people who consume them.

There are just so many factors which could contribute to such symptoms. First of all most male animals are castrated and forced to live in confinement on limited forage, these animals may not be hormonally optimal by any means, and without a balanced intake of optimally healthy male and female hormonal factors, one can concur such negative hormonal effects. If I eat too many female animals, (especially older fatty ewes) without balancing it out with a prime Ram, then I begin to feel symptoms of estrogen overload.... that point forces an instinctive stop which forces me to seek out a more masculine source of food.

Its difficult to describe all the symptoms of estrogen overload, sometimes the first week or so of eating a particularly estrogen rich female there are positive feelings, more calm, affectionate, loving....but then after awhile it turns into an emotional rollercoaster of ups and downs and somtimes leads to lower libedo, acne, depressive feelings...this ussually dissipates within a week of eating on a masculine animal.

I think there are hormonal differences depending on factors such as Younger females with nursing lambs, pregnant ewes, older unbred ewes, particular types of forage which may be more estrogenic.

For optimal hormonal balancing I think a mixed diet of prime breeding aged unbred females, and Males within a small group who are not overly sexually exhausted...from pastures that are lush, varied, and not overgrown with estrogenic herbs and legumes....where the water source isnt full of chlorine and runoff from the industrial wastelands.

None of these factors will be described on the label at the local market, so the only way I have been able to know for sure is to source directly from the farm.

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Hot Topics / Re: what is that?
« on: July 31, 2018, 10:43:09 am »
https://www.google.com/search?q=cheesy+gland+images&safe=off&rlz=1C1LENN_enUS491US491&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=RUKNbzq830Es0M%253A%252CuHVY_6Qk44-mIM%252C_&usg=__gpilGJqqize8vQV5BVBBwUQLIhY%3D&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiun8j2pcjcAhWuiOAKHdXGCU0Q9QEwAHoECAAQBA#imgrc=RUKNbzq830Es0M:

Looks kind of similar to the cheesy gland syndrome I've seen in sheep....some sort of bacterial abscess.

Ive found a big green abscess that looked like the one in the photo, in a sheep's infected mammary gland.

I have at times eaten sick animals, when I was much more poor and desperate, but I don't recommend it for anybody who has the means to obtain better quality.

About 6 years ago was cutting into an animal with cheesy gland before and sliced my finger getting exposed to the contaminated blood...after only eating a few bites I threw the animal away...a couple of days later I developed a swollen lymph node in my arm pit and a small cyst appeared on my left side...the swelling went away after a couple of weeks, but i still have a small cyst on my side...and am likely a carrier of something to this day.

Most people are exposed to these kind of things, but as long as the body isnt entirely saturated with toxoids, and deficient, then ones immune system can contain and mitigate...and perhaps even learn from the encounter....but if one continues to consume sick animals and does not heed the instinctive stop then it would likely lead to serious issues in the long term.

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Off Topic / Re: Give us a laugh !
« on: July 30, 2018, 11:21:58 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Vegetable Police
« on: July 30, 2018, 11:00:51 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDSpcTz4m4
He uses my vice article photo in this one

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Hot Topics / Re: HGH , Anabolic Hormones vs RAW MEAT and old age
« on: July 30, 2018, 10:44:46 pm »
That sounds fantastic, but many people here who do not trust incredible statements at face value, and showing a few examples of human specimens who are thriving off of such a cocktail would at least open up peoples minds for further consideration.

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Hot Topics / Re: HGH , Anabolic Hormones vs RAW MEAT and old age
« on: July 30, 2018, 09:14:47 am »
Synthetic hormones are sooo not paleooo

If there is well sourced evidence, or testimonials from credible people which would prove the long term safety of using synthetic hormones, then present it to the forum in order to back up such claims as to their health benefit.

What Tyler is saying regarding how hormonal supplements can ruin your endocrine system and lead to long term hormone derangement has a factual basis. Even HGH has a long list of side effects even when used somewhat responsibly long term.

Examples like Arnold come to mind and even though he used steroids responsibly, it had long term negative effects. Other people like Stalone can use HGH properly and maintain fair results, but only if they keep using it chronically. People who supplement for long periods of time tend to atrophy when they ween off the dope.

These practices though they can offer short term advantages cannot be endorsed by people who are aware of the cumulative negative effects.

My personal views regarding the supplementation of the elderly with modest doses of bioidentical hormones differs somewhat...compared to the supplementation of young jocks just trying to get jacked. People who have already past reproductive age and are beyond being able to naturally rebuild their glandular system to prime levels may have a positive risk to benefit ratio when it comes to hormone supplementation, if done properly.

My girlfriend just turned 60 and has been using hormone replacement therapy of and on for the last ten years. When I got with her she was weaning off of hormone supplements and would get hot flashes, but otherwise seemed to function well...also at the time I managed to convince her to eliminate soy, wheat, and sugar which seemed to help reduce the hot flash symptoms as well as lose 20 pounds....

She just recently began to supplement again with sub dermal pellets containing progesterone, testosterone, and estrogen. Immediately the hot flashes stopped and the sex drive went off the charts, she also gained a few pounds and better muscle tone and overall strength. In cases like this perhaps the positives do outway any negative long term effects, and people who have already reached a certain age may want to live it up the last few years and are willing to trade in a few of their 80s years in order to rock out throughout their 70s.

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General Discussion / Re: Sv3rige Meeting 2018
« on: July 28, 2018, 06:25:46 am »
Sv3rig through his outgoing and unapologetic enthusiasm, is bridging the gap between the cooked and Raw paleo movements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wz2sYI_2Hg

His efforts, combine with those of the broader paleo community are freeing many suffering souls from bondage to the vegan agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqi78viMQdE

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There are worlds of difference between eating fiber contained in low glycemic whole plant foods and the fiber of highly starchy and processed foods. I consume a fair amount of coconut, along with some other plants like tomatoes, avocado, salad greens, various herbs, occasional small amounts of nuts and seeds. After living this way for a number of years my body will let me know if I have had too much, or the wrong type of fiber with subtle signals like bloating, or a change in cravings. You should be able to "slowly" add back small amounts of a limited variety of low glycemic, (non grain or legume) fiber containing foods without compromising the overall benefits of ZC. Be very patient and take it really slow with introducing new foods...sometimes there can be delayed reactions in which by the time you notice a negative effect you have already eaten too much of something...other times the negative gut reaction may be a result of a hostile realignment of gut microflora which may seem like a negative event, such as a temporary period of loose stools, or bloating... in the long term such episodes may be necessary in order to find the balance that best works for you. In order for your body to teach you how best to live it may be necessary to do some experiment trials with different foods with while using caution, moderation and discernment

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Going completely carnivor helped me in the beginning during transition, but after a while I noticed something was lacking, and eatting just meat and fat without adequate organs, blood, marrow, glands would trigger periods of meat burnout, where 100% all plain meat doesn't appeal. Adding adequate organs along with around 10% low glycemic plant foods has helped me find a balance.

We can only assume that the source is of good enough quality, but even so it would be wise to branch out and find different sources, sometimes some animals from some farms are deficient in some way, and trying different sources will insure you dont build up any major imbalance, plus it will help train your taste buds to better seek out the most optimis primal supply.

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Science / Re: Dodgy antiobiotics can leave people with crippling pain
« on: July 25, 2018, 03:13:12 am »
Bacteria are evolving and developing antibiotic resistance... building up symbiotic relationships with other microbes forming biofilms which shield it from traditional antibiotics like penicillin. So in order to continue the arms race medical science has learned to combine antibiotic drugs with highly neurotoxic fluoride based compounds such as "fluoroquinolones". Fluoride combined with antibiotics are more capable of penetrating deep into the tissues and breaking through the defenses of these pesky biofilms, but it is also much more toxic and damaging to all the tissues of the body and causes lasting damage....plus the bacteria are now quickly evolving immunity to fluoroquinolones, so many people are becoming chronically infected with antibiotic resistance bacteria while suffering great damage from the drugs that are now becoming ineffective.

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General Discussion / Re: Sv3rige Meeting 2018
« on: July 24, 2018, 02:58:06 pm »
There may be a difference in how people from the other side of the pond feel about being openly associated with an infamous wild Man like sv3rig. There are lots of oppressive anti hate laws and nanny state regulations. Count Dankula being arrested for hitler dog comes to mind. Avatars and alter egos are a refuge for some who live in areas where expressing who they are isnt always socially or legally acceptable. Though aliases are helpful for skirting around censorship and transcending cuckolded culture, it can have its problems such as when people become identified with the lofty aspirational identity and forget to pay mind to all the little things that truly make up life's more down and dirty reality

Ive gone back and forth on my views of whether its better being entirely open in all circumstances, or living in meek obscurity. I don't post pictures of my children eating Raw meat on social media because of hateful trolls having authorities called in on anonymous complaints in the past. Every new school year some teachers aid calls child protective services about one of my kids saying how their dad kills sheep and drinks blood. Besides the big issue of trying to my protect children, there is a thought that there may come a time, even in the land of the free when freely associating with the "wrong" type of person will get you put on a undesirable list. China is already this way( ever notice anyone from mainland china here?) Many other peoples from many other lands use much more subtle and sophisticated ways of enforcing conformity to established norms.... like public shaming, gaslighting, and straw manning. Most of this war going on is mental, and in places like Denmark you are still relatively physically free to live as you please. Being marginalized, ostracised and prejudiced by other people is a small price to pay for living the Rawsome Life.

I personally like "playing" with different roles and personas.... being a covert cloak and dagger esoteric on some occasions, while being dead pan serious on others...or even a bit whimsical just for kicks.....not sure how helpful for building a community or convincing others of the tenants of raw, but it gives things contrast and color....plus it confuses the hell out of any of the nanny state authorities, trolls, abusive people, and the future profiling bots who would be snooping around. You hear me out there(wink wink), cyber christ as my witness, I am not going to launch a physical assault on the headquarters of Monsanto-Bear, becoming a rogue vigilante against the purveyors of genocide..... at least until my children are grown and I am more free to directly take on the corporately controlled wastelands that are now consuming the last remnant of a free world.....Hmm, There are probably a number of post here of mine like this one that would get the average person in places like Germany banned or even arrested if they were to be posted on mainstream social media.

Its been helpful to me to share in this little known backwater forum, to muse upon while currently laying relatively low and focusing on my family and life with the girlfriend. To those over the ocean where there may be more serious real world consequences for such controversial online chatter, and there may be less overall personal freedom of expression, you have to become sensitive to the sociological boundaries(real and perceived) and learn how to stand your ground, push back and test limits....seek out other partners in crime and form an underground syndicate full of like minded legends...strength in numbers. Imagine 100 raw meat eaters gathering in public feasting on goat heads and other delectable parts.

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Off Topic / Re: Infrared experimentation/biohacking
« on: July 24, 2018, 11:45:20 am »
I purchased a used single side tanning bed for 100$ on craigslist
http://www.staytannorth.com/canopy.html

Then I bought a pack of Red light Therapy bulbs on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AIROBM2/ref=twister_B01AIROBKY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

All together around 400$ and it works well,
I use it primarily in winter time to help perk up and feed the cells some extra light when I cant get any natural sun.

You could also buy a standard tanning bed and convert it to red light therapy if you have the space and $

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General Discussion / Re: sv3rige
« on: July 20, 2018, 07:43:15 am »
I wish some mainstream celebrity would endorse a RVAF diet. Well, there is Carol Alt, and Uma Thurman and Mel Gibson were at one time reported to be eating raw meat diets. The trouble with most celebrities, though, is that they flit from one craze to another. We need someone like Armand Tanny to represent us. If only Arnie had copied him instead of copying Reg Park....

It wont be long before a few of the new famous cooked carnivore converts will begin to find out about the raw side of things....I wish someone in the raw community could reach out to a few of the big time Icons like Joe Rogan, or even Basketball star and new paleo convert Lebron James....

The way everything is so interconnected these days all it would take is a mega star with a large enough alternative media platform to catapult the raw meme to the forefront of the nutritional zeitgeist.

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General Discussion / Re: sv3rige
« on: July 19, 2018, 11:22:44 pm »

Curious if these accusations occured before he went Raw meat? He has only been following this current diet for a couple of years, before he claims to have been a long term vegan, apparently in order to please some girl. He told me after going vegan he became extremely ill and had to spend time in the hospital.

Perhaps reports of such behavior issues occurred during this period of time when he was malnourished and not eating very well

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Science / Re: Betaine for working out and for weak stomach acid
« on: July 19, 2018, 11:13:36 pm »
How did it impair digestion?

Were you doing any odd food combinations with it?

I recommend keeping it carnal when consuming pancreas.... meat, fat, organs, stomach , bones and glands...other foods or supplements might not mix well with it

Cooking will destroy the vital living enzymes.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: meat inspector advice? etc
« on: July 15, 2018, 11:55:37 am »
I cant say exactly what the regulations in canada are aboot, but from what I have seen in Merican facilities, when animal quality is poor often times the glands and organs have tell tale signs of disease....so to hide the fact that there are diseased animals being approved for human consumption regulators place bans on certain glands and organs writ large, because inspecting individual organs for blemishes is more trouble than its worth...

I have personally witnessed grass fed animals with swollen joints and liver cyst have all their organs condemned, while the rest of the animal is approved and passed through the line...This is standard practice and nobody in position of regulatory power will publicly admit there is a problem.

This is why I source my own animals directly from the farm....

Try looking up local craigslist ads for quality farms..... Ask around about small ma and pop butcher operations...become extremely proactive...seek and ye shall find.

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General Discussion / Re: Jordan Peterson has gone carnivore
« on: July 13, 2018, 10:31:49 am »
It would be a huge plus for raw foodies everywhere for anyone of his renowned to have open discussion on the benefits of going raw.

https://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a19538196/lebron-james-weight-loss/

Lebron James is another prominent celebrity that if introduced to the power of Raw could jump-start the movement overnight.

There was always in my mind this slow game approach when it came to introducing this way of living to the modern world(my previous post here over the years will back up the bravado) Back around 2011 I began to truly believe that it would only be a matter of time before low carb meat based diets would come to the forefront of the mainstream nutritional debate.

The avant-gard cause celeb of Low Carb Cooked paleo is now being more accepted by the mainstream ethos. If we continue to work with diligence and tact from the periphery to prime the evolving consciousness and guide new initiates toward the Raw side of life, then it may not be very long before the movement reaches critical mass requirements for a dietary counter revolution....that is needed to transcend the limitations to our further evolution, placed on us by the social and nutritional confines that now exist at the end point of the neolithic agrarian revolution.

Much was learned through suffering and try-umph over the last 10,000 round the sun. The once wild world matured, it mutilated, mutated, sacrificed and then transferred its natural incarnate creative powers into the human world, from which billions of interconnected nodes of unfathomable neurological power, spread like mind fire. The entire race of the free and bound, every brother, sister, father, mother grown from the substrate of Neolithic thought, rot, and toil...brought to and beyond the ever present point of no return.... many have already reached the end of this bread line, after many lifetimes of great depression, many more will soon follow, no longer to tolerate a gluten fueled gluttonous existence. The signaling for alternative sources of fuel to energize the next stage of life experience with a new purpose has begun, the beacons are being ignited. Though the fog be thick and night darkness dims many minds, faint light hits the distant shores where bright eyes looking forever forward, see beyond the lost worlds shrouds with a head high, feet on the ground and oppossable thumbs up . Hold on no longer to the past and mobilize for nigh is the time of great transformation. The time is ripe to take the next leap, ye of Raw faith and fortune get ready to lead the charge!

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General Discussion / Re: Kidney color
« on: July 13, 2018, 09:27:46 am »
Typically I have found that darker kidneys come from healthier animals. Ones with a rich deep dark color usually have a more favored flavor. I have had ones that are extremely pale and without color, they almost always taste horrid and I will not eat them. I would be personally weary of the light one in the picture!

Also Amish labeling means nothing! Ive seem some God Awful stuff come from the Amish farms in my area and wouldn't trust some guys claim as to its source without any other verification.

Its more common in my part of the world to find animals that fall somewhere in between dark and light..... often there is a lighter outer layer with the core color being much darker. To me this indicates that there may be some environmental stress, causing some damage to the outside layers, while the core maintains healthy function. Its not ideal, but sometimes you have to settle for whats available

I have seen this phenomenon in many animals while butchering at a commercial plant..hogs, lambs, cows, goats, deer....I have often wondered at the cause, and have suspected an number of factors to be in play that would cause "grass fed" animals to show signs of kidney stress.

Poor water quality such as municipal water that has been treated, but also stagnant swampy water on farms without fresh springs and streams, as well as polluted wells and streams.... 

Deficient land that is over grazed or cut will tend to be deficient in certain minerals needed for good overall health, and such land that has been depleted of its essential minerals makes animals more prone to accumulate toxic organ damaging elements such as cadmium, lead and aluminum....


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Probably true. I will still work hard to avoid that tick though. Tick-borne illness is no joke!

I dont doubt its a real thing, but I often ponder if the disease carrying ticks are vectors of Gaia's wrath, that only adversely affect those who are for some reason or another more prone to suffer from its venom. Almost everybody in certain geographical regions will get bit by ticks as well as mosquitoes, fleas, and are exposed to various other known infection spreading vehicles and yet there is only a small percentage who actually manifest illness as a result.   

Ticks often harbor multiple parasitic organisms and single bites are capable of inoculating its recipient with more than one agent at a time. I know that I personally carry babesiousis, which is a parasite that hijacks and kills red blood cells causing fatigue , general weakness, and anemia. I had a blood microscope analysis years ago when I was ill, my blood was overloaded with these parasites. To this day I still carry some, but they are order of magnitudes less than they were and no longer make me feel so anemic...though perhaps this contagion contributes in part to my blood thirst.

In any case there is just too much unknown about pathology to be sure about assigning blame to one particular biological agent, and most "pathogenic" microbes do not even culture in the lab, so most testing fails to positively identify the main culprit. While the limited testing technology available often lead investigators on a wild gooses chase that meanders blindly for a while before falling into a rabbit fevered hole of false conclusions and baseless diagnostic generalizations....Words like infection, arthritis, inflammation, metastasis, allergy, tick born illness and whatnot are thrown around with reckless pompous authority, giving assumptive allusions that the foundational reality of these "aberrant" health conditions are at leased apprehended by somebody on some intelligent level of unbiased human understanding. As much as people would like to believe medical technology has delivered us from dark ages ruled by ignorance and superstition, much of what passes for mainstream pathological science is utter balderdash.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIE1a2Ssx3k

It seems possible that tick bites could trigger such reactions, but I am fairly sure that there are other factors involved that are not being identified which make these people more susceptible. 

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Health / Re: Cancer - Solutions?
« on: July 07, 2018, 12:14:20 pm »
Disclaimer- I am not a medical doctor- and have not been brainwashed into believing in the ethicacy of such bizarre illogical sorcery, that passes for modern treatment.

Hormone blockers and blood pressure meds will zap vitality and make it impossible to fully regain overall vibrant health and well being.

If the tumors are stimulated to grow by way of estrogenic mitosis, the medical profession attempts to attack the symptom with hormone suppressants...instead of addressing the root causes of such hormonally triggered malignancies. The synthetic environmental estrogens are 100 times more cancer stimulating than the endogenous hormones being blocked. By blocking the natural hormonal production while simultaneously doing nothing to eliminate synthetic estrogen exposure will in the long term exacerbate not only the cancer, but also throw the entire endocrine system into chronic chaos.

Hormone disruptors are EVERYWHERE..synthetic clothes, detergents, personal care products, cleaning products, water bottles, soy, processed foods...the sources are just too numerous to list, and yet before they give people hormone blocking drugs these so called physicians do absolutely nothing to mitigate such primary factors.

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Personals / Re: Contacting Sv3rige
« on: July 07, 2018, 10:27:11 am »
Yes, I've bought artisan brand myself.
Its an expensive habit, 10 dollars a jar at the local Co-Op, I now buy it from Amazon by the 8 pound tub

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