But I'd rather be eating oysters with Tyler!
Are you sure you don't want to be eating oysters with Tyler because HE'S eating oysters?
Mmmmm, I just tore into some lamb heart a little bit ago.
Is it just me or does anyone else make some pretty scary noises when they're eating such things? When I take a bite that I have to tear at, sometimes I start growling!!
:D Yes, I get that primal urge. It feels good!
Say again?
Never mind. I should have kept my mouth shut.
No, not at all. I am just not getting it. Sorry. It must be some dirty joke I am missing, right?
I will say that I want to eat oysters with Tyler because:
1) He has a source for good oysters (else he wouldn't be eating them) and I don't
2) I think he could find it in his heart to share some with me
3) He's a pretty cool dude whose company I would not mind sharing over some oysters on the half shell.
I think you are jealous because I am flirting with Tyler! :P
What makes you think I want Tyler to myself? :P
So, you want to share him? :o
Ha ha! You got me! I'm screwed now matter what I answer. Pun intended. ???
Meaty and fatty goat ribs, lamb fat, beef kidney and a heaping spoon of sauerkraut. :P
I have tryed goat, but it is as tough as the hills and does not have any fat (goat is very lean). How could you tackle that plus ribs??? and does that digest well?
Nicola
I absolutely love the taste of goatmeat. Trouble is that this requires me to travel to Brixton market, halfway across town, which is a rare occasion.
"I'm eating a wild-hare carcass(whole, well minus bones)"
do you make bone water?
Dinner was raw goat meat and some raw beef sirloin.
Then added a gloria banana, organic and wild from the mountain of antipolo.
I must get some raw goat meat from Brixton market, it's so delightful re atste, but a major hassle to get hold of as it's in south London, while I live in northwest London.
Hi Geoff,
My wife will be on business / sight seeing in London for 2 weeks on October. Any suggestions where she can get healthy, organic, wild meat and fruit?
I think she will hang out in West End a couple of days watching all the musicals she has time for.
Yesterday, 1 whole ox tongue plus 4 small lamb's hearts, today 2 live lobsters(well, killed just before eaten) - all eaten raw, naturally.
Tyler, did you bolt tongue and heart down? No chewing? and that gets digested - no undigested coming out the other end?
What about the lobsters? Do you bolt them down?
You don't seem to need much food - but then again, if we have more than 40'000 calories (even a lean body) circulating in the system...
Nicola
bolt them down with almost no chewing(perhaps a quick chomp of the jaws once or twice, that's it, no more).
Tyler, do you eat the shell and and all when you eat lobster? The fisrt and only time I ever ate lobster, I ate the meat and the shell. It was raw but it had a strange sauce on it. About 5 min. after I ate the shell and meat, my throat swelled up a lot and I could hardly breath for the remainder of the night. I laid down and somehow feel asleep. The next day I was fine again but very fearful of eating any kind of lobster. I wonder was it the shell or the sauce??
Tyler, I am also wondering, if your weight is back down to "normal" or what you feel to be "normal"?
Do you think it's the fruit you eat that makes you gain or the two meals you ate on holiday? I was thinking it may be those capsules for your adrenals that may cause extra weight?
Nicola
I just cut up sizes which will fit into my mouth just about and bolt them down with almost no chewing(perhaps a quick chomp of the jaws once or twice, that's it, no more). I always find they digest well, with them being better absorbed by the body than, say, minced raw meat.
Re lobsters:- Same again, no need to chew. The meat of lobsters is so liquidy, anyway, that it would be pointless.
Tyler, I slept over this and have a few more questions:
How did you find out that minced raw meat or chewed meat does not digest as well as bolted ?
What about suet; if you bolt suet then I am shore, that you will find that suet in your stools?
How do you know that you like wild hare or horse meat if you don't chew it; it must all be very much the same?
Nicola
Going rawpalaeo has saved me SO much time each day that would otherwise be wasted on eating food.That's true. Since reading that, I have been just swallowing my food whole and it does save time. Seems right as well, the animals I see on national geographic always gulf their food down as quickly as possible without chewing for the most part.
That's true. Since reading that, I have been just swallowing my food whole and it does save time. Seems right as well, the animals I see on national geographic always gulf their food down as quickly as possible without chewing for the most part.
I'm about to eat some lamb liver that's been in the fridge for a week, or a little over a week.
Is there any bacterial benefit to this at all? Has that been enough time? Or will I just be eating disgusting old liver for no extra benefit at all? I know most high meat is like a month old, right?
This is the oldest meat that I'll have ever eaten. I usually find liver to be pretty gross after 3 days in the fridge... I can't imagine what this is gonna be like.
What am I eating right now? You don't even want to know. :-\That bad, huh?
I'm eating the 100% grass-fed beef that I got from the Farmer's Market today.
The taste and smell are SOOOOO much different than what I'm used to, the meat that gets sent to me.
This meat I'm eating now has a flavor that is so... robust! It's so strong.
I don't even know if I like it or not!
What might be the reason for this drastically different flavor?
That bad, huh?
I'm eating the 100% grass-fed beef that I got from the Farmer's Market today.
The taste and smell are SOOOOO much different than what I'm used to, the meat that gets sent to me.
This meat I'm eating now has a flavor that is so... robust! It's so strong.
I don't even know if I like it or not!
What might be the reason for this drastically different flavor?
Man... maybe it was old enough to have some "high" benefits.... I feel like there is energy surging through my body and my brain seems really focused. Could just be a mental thing though.
Just finished up some two-week old lamb liver.
I don't think it was quite "high" yet, but it was really stinky.
Didn't taste too bad though.
Could it be that only beef liver turns into soup as it gets older? Because the lamb liver was much more solid than it was originally.
Man... maybe it was old enough to have some "high" benefits.... I feel like there is energy surging through my body and my brain seems really focused. Could just be a mental thing though.
Judging from your description above, you've finally managed to experience the "crack cocaine" equivalent of the raw-animal-foodist world. It took me 3 years to get up the courage to try the authentic "high-meat", so you've obviously got a lot of guts.
Just finished up some two-week old lamb liver.
I don't think it was quite "high" yet, but it was really stinky.
Didn't taste too bad though.
Could it be that only beef liver turns into soup as it gets older? Because the lamb liver was much more solid than it was originally.
Man... maybe it was old enough to have some "high" benefits.... I feel like there is energy surging through my body and my brain seems really focused. Could just be a mental thing though.
Kilo and a half of raw grassfed liver and 1 raw lobster, yesterday. Today 8 figs, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, only mineral-water, nothing else.
Tyler, how do you digest 1,5 kg liver in one meal; raw meat still gives me runny stools (jogging and rebounding must just push things threw, what others seem to hold back for days?) so I just can not understand if that amount of liver would not cause trouble!!!!
I have fasted for two days, that may not be a problem if you don't do any/much sport...but both times I felt sick when I started to eat again - sooo sick I had to go to bed!!! I could not do my normal sport and felt -v but I am underweight any way so that just did not help. The funny thing is; I am not hungry and just eat meat and fat because I like to eat once a day...but am always trying to make it work with out runny stools - those eating cooked meat don't have runny stools because it takes longer to digest and has less water perhaps.
Nicola
Nicola
Kilo and a half of raw grassfed liver and 1 raw lobster, yesterday. Today 8 figs, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, only mineral-water, nothing else.
I had some two week old raw liver last night. It smelled bad (which bothered the GF far more than me) but had a very tangy and sharp taste. It wasn't bad. I'm gonna have the rest for breakfast tomorrow. I was a bit worried though since I haven't aired it out for many days.
This makes me wonder: is there a considerable difference between meat that is aired out regularly and meat that is not? Is it a difference between aerobic and anaerobic fermentation?
Kilo and a half of raw grassfed liver and 1 raw lobster, yesterday. Today 8 figs, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, only mineral-water, nothing else.
I am still wondering:
- do you eat that liver/lobster and then decide to fast (8 figs is not much but carbs again)?
- do you eat that liver/lobster because you know that you plan to fast?
- why do you do better if you fast?
- why do you eat that much in the first place - isn't it ideal for you to eat a portion of meat&fat every day?
- what if you didn't drive to work and had a hard job?
- does your metabolism slow down when you fast or do you experience any form of detox?
If I don't eat then I have to rest; I am trying this again today (the last times I did feel very low the next day and when I ate meat and fat it made me feel real sick and I had to go to bed).
I am asking all this to understand what drives people to do what they do - why do we do what we do ????
Nicola
If I don't eat then I have to rest; I am trying this again today (the last times I did feel very low the next day and when I ate meat and fat it made me feel real sick and I had to go to bed).
Nicola
Other members here have said that testicles taste bad, what was your experience?
Wow! Bile!
How did you like the liver?
Just ate some bison heart a short while ago...
now I'm eating straight up beef fat.
I don't know why but I really love the taste of fat haha.. it's just so rich and "buttery" if that makes sense.
I just finished lunch.
I tasted some of my kids' seared beef sirloin steak and some left over goat meat.
My main meal was:
I had raw beef liver
and for the first time I had raw beef pancreas (lapay)... and I found the taste of beef pancreas unique, tasty and enlightening.
I just took my first bite of tongue... bison tongue to be specific.
It's taking all my strength to chew it...
Tongue people, do you find it very hard to chew?
Newbies should probably cut off the tip of the tongue and the stringy underside of the tongue. I've got used to eating the whole tongue(and don't usually chew more than once or twice, just bolt it down as it's small enough).
17 large oysters day before yesterday, yesterday 1 leg of lamb and half a venison liver and venison heart.
What weight was the leg of lamb about and how did you eat it; I stopped eating mutton because 1/2 of the flipping leg is toooo tough and very messy. It bothered me and I could not work out why my colon had to get rid of ???
Nicola
last nights meal. I have been drying meat recently. As you can see I made lex's jerky maker. he helped me out a lot by sending the light fixture/heating source.
looks good! are those dried apples in the jar? and what's in the spoon in the first pic?Yeah they are dried apples. That is rendered fat in the spoon. I put it in a cup and scoop it out with the jerky, kinda like chips and dip. I know rendered fat is not raw. But...
Spectacular! Perhaps your recipe can be posted in http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/recipes/ ?Ok, I'll do that. ;)
Yeah they are dried apples. That is rendered fat in the spoon. I put it in a cup and scoop it out with the jerky, kinda like chips and dip. I know rendered fat is not raw. But...
In my situation I can not get raw pasture raised fat. So Lex sent me some rendered fat. If I had freezer storage space he would send me some raw fat.
What do you think..
Raw Grainfed or Rendered Pasture Raised Fat?
I can get grainfed fat for free from the butcher.
Personally, I would rather eat the Rendered pasture raised fat over the grain fed raw fat.Because of taste, or nutrition? I'd say both. Taste is so rich!! Grainfed is bland tasteing.
Because of taste, or nutrition? I'd say both. Taste is so rich!! Grainfed is bland tasteing.
I'm rewarding myself with pizza -X (or, more accurately, inviting digestive and mental distress).
I'm rewarding myself with pizza
Yesterday I had
banana
pineapple
raspberries
raw honey
http://tinyurl.com/5jkfq6
I discover and try for the first time raw ocean shrimp and raw ocean clams.
Saturday market day and today was a time for discovery. With my trusty cook we went to Farmer’s Market in Cubao and bought many new things for me to taste. This time I had clams in mind… the halaan variety. Then we chanced upon ocean caught shrimps.
...
We put the clams in water. They are still alive. Waiting to be eaten at dinner time.
from: http://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/11/29/i-discover-and-try-for-the-first-time-raw-ocean-shrimp-and-raw-ocean-clams/
I feel really strange right now though... didn't someone make a post a short while back about feeling strange after eating raw oysters? It's like a buzzed feeling.
lamb kidney
What does trout taste like compared to mackarel, tuna and salmon?
On the way to the organic farm, our host stopped by a young lady selling something on the street.
She was selling TAMILUK ... these are mangrove tree grubs / worms / I do not know what they really are but the locals call it TAMILUK.
These TAMILUK live inside the mangrove trees and eat it inside. You break open a dead tree and harvest these TAMILUK.
You put them in a bowl of vinegar and calamansi (our lemons).
I'm having these grubs for dinner.
I just showed this to our driver and he says he really likes these grubs, says the ones we got are still alive, says when he goes home to his wife he will go and buy some for his wife who also loves eating these grubs.
These Palawan natives are not into cooking these grubs and these are relished to be eaten raw and alive. And they have no idea what raw paleo diet is.
No need for jealousy... I'll be happy enough to be your paleo diet tour guide if you visit us in our corner of the world.Well, I'm going to take you up on that offer. O0 Pupunta ako sa PI pagatapos 2-3 months. Sinabi mo magtitira ka sa Manila, di ba? Usot masyado. I'm going to retire there one day on 30+ acres with a farm. Besides the air pollution problem, life there is soo nice!
Well, I'm going to take you up on that offer. O0 Pupunta ako sa PI pagatapos 2-3 months. Sinabi mo magtitira ka sa Manila, di ba? Usot masyado. I'm going to retire there one day on 30+ acres with a farm. Besides the air pollution problem, life there is soo nice!
Today I ate a slice of bread with coffee on the side for my breakfast, sinigang na isda and rice for lunch I am planning to have fresh lumpia for dinner. :DYou are aware that this is a raw paleolithic diet forum, right? It's just that bread/coffee/rice and other cooked or non-palaeo foods are rather against rawpalaeo dietary guidelines. We eat things like raw meat, raw fruit etc/ But perhaps you're just transitioning to rawpalaeo, at this stage.
mutton suet (some new kind and it's very toothsome)That's how it looks like -
Today, I'm eating a very large bag of raw mussels. Tomorrow, some raw marrow(2 bones of many inches length(8?) and maybe a little raw wild hare.
Hannibal, that so called suet is from some other part (stomach?); I got some looking just like that and it was no good (more water than anything) - if I need fat, I need fat; real suet!I tried many types of suets and this one on the picture is very toothosome - I cut it and eat it like the chips ;)
You are looking good!thnx :)
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It was in October on my country estate. I was eating lamb testicles, kidneys, liver and kidney suet. The dog got some morsels ;)
to cherimoya-kid, raw non-treated scallops are available in whole food or where you get them from? thanks :)
Is that all you need? To feed on mussels you would need a lot - doesn't that upset your system? Only raw marrow the next day? How the hell do you not loose weight - don't you need more, boy? I take it you can not do much activity - what about working, getting to work... ???Raw marrow is very satiating and I eat a lot of it. As for raw mussels, I eat something like 100-200 of them in one go(over 4 hours), and, no, they work fine re digestion.
Raw marrow is very satiating and I eat a lot of it. As for raw mussels, I eat something like 100-200 of them in one go(over 4 hours), and, no, they work fine re digestion.You have amazing food sources. Markets here rarely have more than 50-100 mussels total. I've only seen one market here with oysters so far, starting in late November, and at one visit there were just three mesh bags of them containing three each and they're rather expensive. The farmers' market here doesn't have any seafood that I've ever noticed and the ocean is far away, so there's no oceanside fish market, obviously. The only fish market we have here is a restaurant with fish market in the name. Maybe that will help explain why some people use supplements instead of eating hundreds of shellfish.
Yon - how long do you keep your meat on the wire rack in the fridge? is there a time limit?... or it's better tasting with time? how about on digestion?
Tyler - stupid question but do you swallow muscles whole?... I've never eaten shellfish so sorry for these naive questions lately re oysters and muscles. I want to try them though.Absolutely. I might chew once, if that, but that's all.
question to GS, these fish are river fish or deep water fish?
do you believe that ancient tribes cook their fish if they catch from near the shore!! they only used to eat raw fish, if they're from deep water. the reason i'm asking this because, i'm tired of dealing with bad parasites. i know that small fish are the best. do you also clean the intestines of the fish when you eat them raw? thanks.
I was eating some smelt fish just now and saw a live worm in it. A bit surprised at first but decided to eat the worm. Anyone come across this? Eating some type of animal food and seeing sort of parasite in it?
Anyone come across this?Not parasite, but in the summer I regularly eat some meats with maggots. Without any problems.
I was eating some smelt fish just now and saw a live worm in it. A bit surprised at first but decided to eat the worm. Anyone come across this? Eating some type of animal food and seeing sort of parasite in it?I did the first time I ate raw smelt. I didn't eat the worm though. After doing further reading on the worms I found they were harmless to humans but I can't find the source at the moment.
raw scallops(one of the tastiest raw animal foods I've ever encountered)
some nectarines, some bananas, 1 wild hare carcass. Normally I'll only eat 1/2 or 2/3 of a raw wild hare but I'm leaving the country very soon so...
I'm going on an IF routine plus some whole-day fasting for some weeks.
bff?
why hard boiled eggs?
Err, this thread is really meant for mentioning only rawpalaeo foods, IMO.That's right
The whole point of this thread is to give newbies an idea of what raw foods to eat, in what quantity etc: Therefore mentioning consumption of pasteurised butter, Big Macs, tea or coffee or cheddar is not at all kosher, and anyway utterly irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. In future, kindly restrict mention to rawpalaeo foods, only.
But why not mention raw cheese? Cause it's not paleo? So then we can't mention raw butter and raw milk?I would prefer all mention of non-palaeo or non-raw foods to be made in other threads. After all, there has to be a strict guideline otherwise people will just blindly post about eating Big Macs sooner or later, and the like.
Mention what ever you want.
Yes. Participants should tell what they really eat and not what they are supposed to eat by whatever rawfood/paleo/... taliban. Otherwise the reports would be misleading.The whole purpose of this thread is for newbies to find out about what RAWPALAEO foods people are eating and in what amounts, the mention of non-rawpalaeo foods is therefore absolutely irrelevant, and useless as information. It is accepted that we all make some sort of compromise here and there, such as occasionally eating some cooked foods during social occasions with cooked-foodists or eating some cooked foods because we have a difficult spouse/partner or whatever, but there is no point in mentioning eating such dodgy fare in this thread, as it has nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread. If you want to post about eating Big Macs, tea, pasteurised butter or whatever nonsense, then I suppose someone should start a different joke-thread in the hot topics forum where people can report what cooked rubbish they are currently eating.
someone should start a different joke-thread in the hot topics forum where people can report what cooked rubbish they are currently eating.
I would prefer all mention of non-palaeo or non-raw foods to be made in other threads. After all, there has to be a strict guideline otherwise people will just blindly post about eating Big Macs sooner or later, and the like.
You are really going to compare grassfed, but not raw, butter to a fast food burger? That is like saying that if I sear my grassfed steak, I might as well eat a Snicker's bar.Not really. The point is that it`s the thin end of the wedge. If we allow some leeway re pemmican or other rubbish, then people will inevitably broaden the boundaries until discussion of Big Macs and other rubbish is reached. Besides, given the large number of people here who are seriously allergic towards dairy of any kind but who can tolerate some cooked foods a bit better than the dairy, it is necessary not to mention dairy in this thread, to avoid it being erroneously seen as healthy. Sure, a minority of people here do fine on all dairy or even tolerate most cooked foods; but the majority`s viewpoint has to be held up, more, for obvious reasons.
... Still made it in time for Mc Donald's breakfast.LOL! I enjoy the humor. Still, Tyler and GS have got a point. People are free to post about their sausage McMuffins in their journals and the hot topics area, so it doesn't seem like an onerous request to keep McMuffins, Big Macs and raw cheese out of here.
The whole point of this thread is to give newbies an idea of what raw foods to eat, in what quantity etc: Therefore mentioning consumption of pasteurised butter, Big Macs, tea or coffee or cheddar is not at all kosher, and anyway utterly irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. In future, kindly restrict mention to rawpalaeo foods, only.
I'm eating 20 extra-large oysters(some of which are double-oysters, not just one). What are you eating right now?
Fine, I will change the title and also add a new hot topics forum where people can list what cooked crap they have just eaten.
Today I had 6 cups raw wild blueberries for breakfast, 1/2 pound raw buffalo liver for lunch, and 1 kg unheated honeycomb for dinner. I intended to eat only a bit of honey, but it tasted so good and I couldn't stop eating until it was all gone. This weekend, I plan to buy a fresh frame of honey.
Good point michael! Did you really eat so much blueberries and honey -v Anyways it made me laugh...
How much does that honey cost you per kilo? And the blueberries too.. I don't know wtf 6 cups means.. Cups could be 50ml-1000ml, but how much do they cost you anyway? Blueberries and Honeycomb are both pretty expensive here.
1 kg unheated honeycomb for dinnerIt's definitely not paleo. :)
Of course, I'm just kidding. klowcarb's "SAD" menu is much healthier than my example. The point I want to make, is that the split of the "what are you eating" thread into "approved" and "unapproved" food is quite artificial. I suggest we put the threads together, and let people decide for themselves what's healthy. Everyone here, even newbies, know what food is considered rawpaleo and what isn't. It's not rocket science.Those are not valid points. For one thing, while people make mistakes sometimes re raw food amounts at times(such as primal dieters etc.) it's a hell of a lot more common for cooked food-eaters to overeat as they don't get the "stop" signal early on like people do when eating raw foods for a time. No doubt due to the addictive opioids in cooked foods among other factors. I certainly would find it impossible to eat a whole kilo of raw honeycomb in 1 day, so such a mythical example is pointless and meaningless.
It's definitely not paleo. :)
because bees where not around at the time of the caveman, or? Am i missing a joke here?No, because raw honey would have been a very rare treat in palaeo times given that there were no beekeepers in palaeo times, there being no domestication/ agriculture.
because bees where not around at the time of the caveman, or? Am i missing a joke here?Because something had been available in paleo times doesn't necessarily mean people had been devouring unlimited amounts of it.
No, because raw honey would have been a very rare treat in palaeo times given that there were no beekeepers in palaeo times, there being no domestication/ agriculture.
Because something had been available in paleo times doesn't necessarily mean people had been devouring unlimited amounts of it.
for dinner and breakfast I had 1 large fresh kidney with fat, and .5 lbs of frozen liver, both aged in the fridge somewhat. with 3 large Slankers bones. Still made it in time for Mc Donald's breakfast.
LOL! I enjoy the humor. Still, Tyler and GS have got a point. People are free to post about their sausage McMuffins in their journals and the hot topics area, so it doesn't seem like an onerous request to keep McMuffins, Big Macs and raw cheese out of here.
fresh goose meat and organs, goose fat and bison back fati'm also getting wild goose from a hunter from my country home. my son has already experienced some wild and exotic raw animals.
Edit: i believe these must have been sought out by hunters,
the fat is delicious, the meat is amazing, the organs are fantastic, far from what i expected, 1,0000 times better than chicken
i guess that's wild game for ya ;)
how'd you get the goose sully?Yes , the goose is like red meat too.
i had duck today. really dark red and good. tasted much closer to venison than chicken.
i so wish i could enjoy meals with all of you!.. how much more fun, and braver i'd be :)That's very very very true, Ioanna. :)
i so wish i could enjoy meals with all of you!.. how much more fun, and braver i'd be :)
That's very very very true, Ioanna. :)
I think about this quite often.
That's not because I'm not brave (I'm hecka brave ;)), but because it would be much more pleasant to share these kind of delicious morsels with some other people, see them smiling, laughing. It would really make my day.
I am eating raw wild boar and raw stagmeat currently. May diversify towards raw quail eggs and other such stuff.that's on thing I def. want to try, wild boar. I never had raw pork. I want to get some boar for my first raw pig meat.
I had raw belly of wild boar, very nice.In the UK, there seems only farmed wild boar available(ie grainfed). The only truly wild wild boar were helped to escape from certain farms a few years ago by some wonderful animal rightists, and nulber only a few hundred or so, so far.
that's on thing I def. want to try, wild boar. I never had raw pork. I want to get some boar for my first raw pig meat.Raw pork is too bland. Raw wild boar meat has an excellent gamey taste. Only trouble is that my local sellers in Austria make sure to get the blood out first before sale.
Raw pork is too bland. Raw wild boar meat has an excellent gamey taste. Only trouble is that my local sellers in Austria make sure to get the blood out first before sale.I bet grain fed pork can be bland, but free rang pork may be a little better. Agreed, gamy taste is better. Wild goose is amazing compared to chicken btw.
I am not a samurai/ninja enough to chase deer with a sword or spear lol...You don't have to be ninja to chase the wild animals.
You don't have to be ninja to chase the wild animals.
People are the best long-distance runners on the Earth.
If you're in good shape you are capable of chasing the deers, boars or horses down. :)
Have you read "Born to run"?
you could use a modern spear. It's not to difficult with a dog.
Would you hunt the boars with a bow? I think I'd want to hunt with a bow or crossbow, a rifle is too modern and I am not a samurai/ninja enough to chase deer with a sword or spear lol...
Watch some bow hunting videos yuli, they don't always die quickly then either.
Yep its true :'(Yuli, fast couple of days, so that you would be very hungry and I think you wouldn't :'(
Yuli, fast couple of days, so that you would be very hungry and I think you wouldn't :'(
It should work ;)
Yuli I like the idea(since we're talking ideas) of fair chase. So you only hunt with stuff you can make. I think it is fairer and more honourable to be you vs the animal. You give the animal a chance to fight for its' life. It is dishonourable to kill it from hiding, with a weapon you didn't, and couldn't make yourself.
Lamb liver, fat from lamb hearts and kidney fat
Why are your meat in jars?That jar with beef on the right side and the smaller one with some lamb organ-meats are for my friend who is from the city, where there aren't such good things.
What is the purpose?
i had a small indian melon (heirloom from costa rica i found at the farmer's market) this morning. then for dinner, i had a little bit of pork kidney (did not like), beef marrow, and some deer jerky i made. im still hungry though... maybe some eggs or fruit, we'll see
i get these from the health food store: http://www.essentiallivingfoods.com/olives/peruvian-pitted-dehydrated-olives.html (http://www.essentiallivingfoods.com/olives/peruvian-pitted-dehydrated-olives.html)
they're really tasty and i don't get any problems from them even if i eat a lot. that's good enough for me.
and yeah, i've been trying to taste every raw animal food i can. lately i've been able to get my hands on good quality gunineafowl, pork kidney, beef cheek meat, pork jowl, beef thymus, bison heart, goat heart, etc. all local. i even made a list of all the different raw foods i've eaten just for fun/boredom. it's getting pretty long...
also, i see you have a bag of dulse. i get huge cravings for it sometimes and eat like half a bag. then it tastes disgusting for a few weeks. then repeat. one of my favorite plant foods when the time is right
Do you eat all that stuff raw? Woah you look very different in your new photo btw.
Do you eat all that stuff raw? Woah you look very different in your new photo btw. I wouldn't recognise you if it wasn't for the name.
Everything will be eaten raw except one thing, the sweet potato :o
Last time I ate some cooked sweet potato and it made me feel very nice, full yet energetic, so Ima gonna do again!
EDIT: yah I look different in all my photos, I have a chameleon face, can do any makeup, hairstyle, color etc
you know who looks the EXACT same in every photo i've seen?
hannibal
Parsnip; daikon(dunno what it is anyway); purple turnip; pumkin; quinoa(I guess you sprout that? So not 'raw' but uncooked?) - can all be eaten raw!!?!?!?!?!?!?? I didn't know this! Parsnip, pumpkin, purple turnip.. What are these like when raw? What other common vegetables can be eaten raw? I only knew about some leaves, lettuce, cellery, carrots, cabbage, mushrooms..
Can sweet potato even be eaten raw??
seed:
- pumpkin!
ffs lol, I was just about to go back to meat only after eating anything since june, trying everything I can before the winter... I've fasted today in preparation.. Now I find out all this new stuff I can eat!!!! I feel I must try everything.
Who is that guy in your avatar?
I'm not interested in juicing, I'd rather cook. Though I wouldn't mind doing some sprouting or that kind of thing. If I bought some sweet potato and liked it raw, but felt like I could improve it by cooking then I wouldn't mind doing that. I wouldn't want to start by cooking something.
My Groceries for the week!
(http://uphaze.info/misc/food-pics/groceries1.jpg)
meats:
- tons of grassfed beef muscle (i love that brand so I bought a lot this time)
- young calf liver (mmmm)
organic veggies:
- red cabbage
- purple turnip
- sweet potato
- daikon
- parsnip
- avocado
seed:
- pumpkin!
not very paleo but still good, and raw:
- raw cheddar
- unprocessed red quinoa (gonna sprout this and see if I can make anything funky)
The only thing thats missing in my groceries is FAT and FRUIT, however I was pigging out on honey for a few days so I think I'll skip the fruit for a little while. :P
As for fat, I couldn't get any good fesh marrow bones so I will live on avocado, flax oil, cod oil and dairy fat until I find some marrow :D
Unfortunately I don't really like eating suet or any other pure animal fat unless its a part of the meat/attached to the meat, other then marrow. Usually I get some fatty lamb or salmon but I couldn't find...damn why is wild salmon so expensive, I hate it.
That is some nice food. Do you eat it all raw? How does that work out for you
Also miles, I'm pretty sure that other picture was just something she found off the internet. Although I like this one more. :)
Yes all raw! Except the sweet potato which I am probably going to lightly cook...
I just tasted that beef I bought and its really splendid, when its good un-aged then its really good :)
No the other picture was me too, I swear, it was just a professional photo...
here is a compilation of me...do I really look that different in all the pics? lol (in the shiny dress photo I am as drunk as can possibly be so I do look different there)
PS, I do notice I looked the same at 20 as I do at 27, thats cool, hopefully by eating a (for the most part) raw diet I will look good in older years ;D
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I'm the dumb guy who can't recognize models in a woman's magazine and I can't pin down your real look in the photos. Maybe have to stare at it longer.
Is that your baby? What's her name?
"..."+(Pictures)
5 lambs tongues, lamb suet and some rb.
earlier had some buffalo meat and the remaining suet (somewhat packed into a 16 fluid oz jar..not sure how much that is by weight..but pretty filling)
never knew you could change the topic headings..
are those chikn' legs? I can never eat those raw...but those do look nice and reddish compared to the freaky yellowish-white chicken.
whats the yellow stuff? and whats "rb."?
yes you can not only change the heading but the message icon too, woohoo
its individual lambs tongues. check out the file name as well :)
your pic with the kid (Is that the newest?) looks great. less blood in it but more life. The old avatar was pretty ethereal, but you look like a nice looking human here.
...........Your butcher shop one and the bottom middle kind of look similar to the meat-eating ones, but then the bottom middle kind of looks like the top right one, but that top right one looks a lot like the bottom right one. The top left one only looks like the bottom middle one, and kind of reminds me of the girl from 'space channel 5'. So in none of the pictures do you look the same as in all of the pictures, but in all of the pictures you look the same as in some of the pictures =p If you were working under-cover you would have to change your looks in the right sequence so that they couldn't be linked.
wow they are shaped like drumsticks! Nice filename, lucky lamb... -\lamb(s)
EDIT: yep that ones from this Halloween...the youngest one is the final fantasy one, the rest is mixed ages in between
I think its just different types of photography, lighting & makeup can change a lot...looking human is definitely something to strive for :D
Hey KD,
How about posting some of your muscle bound pics a la Yuli so we can make raw meat eating cool.
Something like: Raw meat is good for you (pics of KD below), Raw meat is good for you (pics of Yuli below)
Or others out there who want to be raw paleo diet models.
you know who looks the EXACT same in every photo i've seen?
hannibal
every single picture, ha. just something i noticed. it's the same face and always a self-shot. i like it. he's consistent
yeah he always had one eye bigger than the other and head leaning in to the camera I think.haha ;)
Yes all raw! Except the sweet potato which I am probably going to lightly cook...
I do notice I looked the same at 20 as I do at 27, thats cool, hopefully by eating a (for the most part) raw diet I will look good in older years ;D
Maybe you can compose a collage of pics like Yuli's.OK ;)
I'll eat it first.
Yes, wild boar and moufflon (bighorn).
Yes, but I like it high! And since I've been without meat for the last few days, I think I'm gonna eat quite a lot of it quickly!
Something like: Raw meat is good for you (pics of KD below), Raw meat is good for you (pics of Yuli below)
Or others out there who want to be raw paleo diet models.
Its a flattering idea to be matched with yuli but I would probably be more interested in participating with others involved as well. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of fit, healthy looking people here. Isn't there another shy-ish girl here that does modeling? :) :) and a triathlete? I think on top of the before after thing..there could just be a single thread for people to post photos. called sexy meatheads or something.
what about my new avatar?
do I look also exactly the same? :)
ha, and you're picture collage proved it even more!IMO it's good :)
Not what I'm eating right now, but what I'm gonna eat very soon:Very nice pictures.
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...We can have a mr. and ms. raw paleo dieter....
what about my new avatar?
do I look also exactly the same? :)
Hehe, there isn't any high meat that I wouldn't eat. Even totally decomposed, that hyenas, vultures or crows wouldn't touch ;)
Yes, sure, I know a few women long time instincto RPDers who look amazingly young for their age: it seems they don't age at all, or very slowly. And in one month only of RPD, my ex-wife got at least 6 years or more younger, back from 31 to 25 or rather even less...
(....)...it's like the Breakfast Club. ooh good title. ooh a lamp icon.
Umm, when quoting past posts in which there are just a lot of photos, I reckon it would be a good idea to just include 1 of the photos in a quoted passage in future. Otherwise a lot of needless scrolling is involved, and usually the reader will have already seen the previous photos anyway in the original post.
[ quote ]..[ / quote ]marks so you don't end up quoting everything they posted.
You look the most "normal" in your recent avatar but i like the one eye closed, crazy Hanibal pictures! Its like your signature look, think about it you can become a famous model and that will be your signature look man! Practice and perfect it, don't hide it, thats what I say.Thnx :)
You are a hyena reincarnated as a human, for sure.Definitely 8)
Thnx :)
Look at my new avatar ;)Definitely 8)
Dinner: I'm going out to eat with some friends and family for my belated birthday dinner at a raw bar. probably getting oysters, ceviche, and maybe raw scallops. or tartare! check out the menu - http://www.parkside-austin.com/menus/Main_Menu.pdf (http://www.parkside-austin.com/menus/Main_Menu.pdf) really expensive but i only do this once a year so might as well indulge! (plus my parents are buying, ha)
Its like your signature look, think about it you can become a famous model and that will be your signature look man!
raw grass fed meat balls my mama made :) I wonder what spices did she add...
The little green leaves the Indian guy gave me for free I am not sure what they are but he said it for "fresh curry making!" lol...they smell amazing though, smell just like fresh nuts! I may cut some of the deer up small and maybe spice it with the nutty leaves...They may be fresh bay leaves from the bay laurel plant. It's a common spice used and the photo looks like it might be some. :)
They may be fresh bay leaves from the bay laurel plant. It's a common spice used and the photo looks like it might be some. :)
Yuli, I think I just fell in love with you LOLNext after miles ;)
Next after miles ;)there is a line?! awww lol!... She's cute. no surprise here
LOL i totally goofed that picture attachment... how do I size it down?Done
there is a line?! awww lol!......-[ -[ -[ -[ :P :P :P
Nice picture with the bone...
If I throw it will you go get it?
just kidding
Only if you promised to pet me afterwards !
ROFL
Why is there no laughing face smiley??? Admin can you add one, lol
Yes I will pet those that are good, and even ones that are not just because its cute LOL
As you wish princess ;)
Will that suffice?
loved the taste but when I tried to swallow any more I started gagging like crazy, dunno why lol, maybe that was my limit for meat this high at this time ???
it might get a little too high by evening heh hehit's impossible
meat is is always insufficiently high ;)
cool duck! no exciting pictures for me that stand out, but eating lately fresh fat trim, beef bones, lamb suet, liver, dog food, beef, bison, seaweed, mushrooms, frisee, escarole, sauerkraut, persimmon, tastumas, some pineapple chunks, Florida avocado.
....Something is very appealing to me about eating fungus and sea plants even when they are not appealing to the palate. I dunno just seems like a good idea. I definitely don't ascribe to the idea that if its possible to live without something so why bother.
Sapote. I know it's imported, or probably is, I'm sure it didn't grow within a hundred miles, so not very paleo. I saw it though, and decided to get one. It's delicious!
Did you always like high meat or did you come to like it over time?Over time, of course ;)
There was no heat(hot water etc.) used to remove the feathers from the duck?Yes, there was - a little bit of fire AFAIK. Wife of my friend Abdullah, from whom I bought those ducks, prepared it for me.
Not even high!A little bit high, smelly on the surface of the skin and bones - I love it.
I had some badger meat tonight, for the first time. Quite a lot of under-skin fat, but not as tasty as other animals fat and the muscle flesh is still to fresh for me, so I didn't eat a lot of it. Completed my meal with a bit of cauliflower, a tomato, chestnuts and latter on a few persimmons and apples from my trees.Wow. I can't eat raw badger in the UK as they are protected. Is it gamey tasting like raw wild boar, raw wild venison and the like?
Eating some great goat meat, I love goat!I love raw goat! It has a really pungent taste that many SAD-eaters hate but I love!
Compared to raw deer its more chewy and easier to tare apart.
My cats like it too :)
Earlier on I had salad of sauerkraut that we made ourselves, with some mayo (just raw eggs and oil), tomato, daikon and dill.
Lunch: bison ribs, high meat (beef muscle), venison jerky, lamb suetOhhhh man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky you
Dinner: wild hog shoulder roast, bison marrow, beef thymus, goat brain
Lunch: bison ribs, high meat (beef muscle), venison jerky, lamb suet
Dinner: wild hog shoulder roast, bison marrow, beef thymus, goat brain
another zero carb day for me i guess. rare for me lately as i've been eating a lot of different local carbs. lately i've been eating a ton of local wild pecans that i've been gathering. i guess i need something in them because they taste amazing and i haven't had any problems digesting them. also been eating some green cabbage leaves, jicama, turk's cap fruit, and hackberry. also been eating some halawi dates every now and then which are delicious but not local (and i can't be totally sure they're unheated - i don't get problems from them though). i think i'm eating all this intuitively to fatten up a bit before winter... i'm up to 128 lbs from 108 lbs when i got back from thailand! above my weight before i left of 122 lbs
Lunch: bison ribs, high meat (beef muscle), venison jerky, lamb suet
Dinner: wild hog shoulder roast, bison marrow, beef thymus, goat brain
I'm wary to mix meats from different species and I guess it would very seldom happen in nature.I think that it would happen.
I wonder how many different animal species meats can you eat in a single meal without feeling heavy! I always eat the meat from a single specie per meal (although as much as I want, sometimes a lot), as I feel satisfied with that. I'm wary to mix meats from different species and I guess it would very seldom happen in nature.
do you want the red ribbon or the blue?
yeah, this all sounds great man.
you've definitely out 'varried' me even though I am trying.
did you grate the jicama?
I wonder how many different animal species meats can you eat in a single meal without feeling heavy! I always eat the meat from a single specie per meal (although as much as I want, sometimes a lot), as I feel satisfied with that. I'm wary to mix meats from different species and I guess it would very seldom happen in nature.
BUT, i haven't noticed any problems from mixing different species' meats and organs in a mealIs there any way to prove that mixing would cause any problems?
Is there any way to prove that mixing would cause any problems?
I mean - on biochemical level.
BUT, i haven't noticed any problems from mixing different species' meats and organs in a mealWhen I first went rawpalaeo, I had various mildly increased problems if I mixed meats/organs from different animals in the same meal. However, my digestive system was very seriously damaged at the time, and once my digestive system started healing properly after cutting out raw dairy from the diet, I never experienced this issue again when mixing such different meats/organs.
I don't think it would cause serious problems, just making digestion more complex and perhaps more difficult due to different types of proteins needing different types of enzymes. The more different things you eat in a meal, the more your digestion is difficult.When you kill an animal and eat some liver, kidneys, heart and muscle-meats you eat foods that have got different amino acid profiles.
When you kill an animal and eat some liver, kidneys, heart and muscle-meats you eat foods that have got different amino acid profiles.
That's 100% natural. Wild Animals do that all the time.
Has anyone eaten like 800g fat in a day? And has anyone done this and eaten virtually nothing else, or only eaten some meat as well but no vegetables/fruit?A few years ago, I would sometimes just eat huge amounts of marrow in any 1 day, and nothing else at all. I didn't have any issues with that, though of course I wasn't doing RZC all the time then, just on specific days at random.
Tonight I had about half of a moufflon's rear leg :P, a small organic brocoli, some organic carrots, then hazelnuts from my land, apples also from my orchard, and finally some of my own prunes home-dried.
For me, avoiding such combinations is the most important rule within the raw food diet.True, very true.
I ate raw beets and a pile of apples. It's all I had a taste for today.No need to eat any animal products? :)
No need to eat any animal products? :)Nothing wrong with that. I also have days in which I eat nothing but raw fruit.
No need to eat any animal products? :)
Sometimes I only eat plants too.Me too, but veeeery rarely
beef chuck roast, lamb liver, bison heart, and hog back fatNice, I wish I had the variety. ;)
Yesterday:
Fallow deer for the first time :)
The neck
Hannibal, you are so fortunate in the food available. What is that, a clay pot?Yes, it's a traditional clay pot :)
How did you get boar? What's the difference in taste from it to pork, like that of the difference from bison to beef? Have you had bison?Fresh wild boar meat is available in Warsaw (the capital of Poland). I've got it from Elite Expeditions from Zwierzyniec; btw, they export quite a lot of wild meats to the Germany and France.
Yes, it's a traditional clay pot :)Fresh wild boar meat is available in Warsaw (the capital of Poland). I've got it from Elite Expeditions from Zwierzyniec; btw, they export quite a lot of wild meats to the Germany and France. ....
You have to come here and have some bison, and we have to go there and feast on some of that tasty boar of yours! ;DThat would be great :)
BTW I bought some imported Polish butter in the Russian foods store here, its very tasty butter and has a nice deep yellow color. I am sure its not raw but it has no additives at least (I was just excited to get Polish butter lol). The raw version of that butter must be great in Poland.Yeah, raw Polish butter is tasty, much better than standard pasteurized one from the shop.
Stagmeat seems a lot cheaper than wild boar.
What's the difference in flavor between Stagmeat and doemeat? I tried raw venison, but I'm not sure which gender it was. It tasted iron rich, kind of like calves liver.
...If someone could size them down I would appreciate it :)
I far prefer raw quail eggs to raw chicken eggs. Raw goose eggs are also well worth trying, IMO.
Imagine what it would have been like to eat dinosaur eggs! ??? I know its not possible but that would be fun.
Why does it say this?Because it's an urban legend. ;D
I ended up eating almost half a raw chicken last night. I don't know why I did that, I don't like chicken , cooked or not, and I'm crossing my fingers that I don't get sick. I was like a demon possessed and it just looked so good. I really hope I don't fall ill.
There was this meat shop with some American Kobe rib eyes. They were frozen, but I picked one up. It was honestly one of the best pieces of meat I have ever had, and I eat a lot of terrific meat.Kobe beef is notoriously grainfed - avoid in future, IMO.
Kobe beef is notoriously grainfed - avoid in future, IMO.I understand that. I eat a good deal of my meat grass fed. I kind of round out the O 3/6 ratio by eating a bit of salmon, so I figure I'll be fine.
I understand that. I eat a good deal of my meat grass fed. I kind of round out the O 3/6 ratio by eating a bit of salmon, so I figure I'll be fine.If the salmon is farmed, that won't work. Only if it's raw wild salmon, is that OK.
Wow, maybe your body needed a lot of somthing that was in the chicken -\ raw chicken honestly grosses me out though, its the only raw meat that I won't really eat unless I really had to....don't worry you probably won't get any salmonella overload if you don't dwell on it too much, I have a feeling the more we worry the more chance something will make us sick....sometimes...
.... The running joke my whole life has been "I don't derive pleasure from eating flightless birds." Which is true....
Cough, ostrich, cough....ever tried it? It not like chicken or turkey.What's it taste like?
like a very good red meat!
I find ostrich has too bland a taste, no doubt because it's too lean(and farmed on grains).
I tried it a long time ago and remember it being very nice...are you sure it wasn't a bad one because people who like red meat usually love from what I hear...also if the ostriches are farmed on grains wouldn't they be more fatty...? From reading about some ostrich farms it seems they are usually both pastured and grain fed, because they can quickly devastate a pasture otherwise. Many farms seasonally pasture them...they are also very unaltered from their wild state.I'll admit I was not sure they were grainfed. However, modern farmers have a huge tendency to feed their animals grains for a number of reasons re profit, so, often if pastured/grassfed is not mentioned, then grainfed is very likely.
I read they can live up to 70 years on a farm, amazing...
I don't think the garlic was a good thing to eat and I doubt I'll have any more. It seemed to cause me some aches/pains.Recently when I ate one clove of garlic I almost vomited.
Recently when I ate one clove of garlic I almost vomited.
damn, that horse looks delicious.you got that right!
Today I bought quite fatty chunk of horse meat....
Looking good, but ...dare I say, marbled? Can meat be perfectly marbled and 100% grass-fed?I don't know if it is 100% grass-fed.
Looking good, but ...dare I say, marbled? Can meat be perfectly marbled and 100% grass-fed?
Is it possible that's just connective tissue and structural fat?It's only the fat that "marbles" that chunk of horse meat.
I agree with Yuli, AFAIK meat from exclusively grass fed animals shouldn't be marbled like that, i.e. with fat mixed in-between the muscle.Any vindication?
The taste of badly fed animals meat can be great.I disagree.
Horse meat sold in my province is extremely lean, not a shred of fat :(The horse meat that I buy is predominatingly very lean.
Any vindication?
I disagree.
Tyler probably too.
Grass-fed lamb shoulder chops can be a little marbled.
No, sorry: it's just that all the wild and grass fed animals meat I saw isn't marbled like that. I've heard other experienced instinctos stating the same.Composition of meats from different animals are so different from each others.
Grain-fed cattle have more internal fat (i.e., marbling) which results in a more tender meat than forage-fed cattle of a similar age. In some Asian countries such as Japan, which is not a grain surplus country, tastes and preferences have encouraged feeding grain to cattle, but at a high cost since the grain must be imported.[17]
Most grass-fed cattle are leaner than feedlot beef, lacking marbling, which lowers the fat content and caloric level of the meat. Meat from grass-fed cattle also have higher levels of Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) and the Omega-3 fatty acids ALA, EPA, and DHA.[19]
Grass-fed beef is not standardized. Most is leaner than conventional feedlot beef, but some is equally marbled due to carefully managed grazing, excellent pastures, and improved genetics. Another technique for producing well-marbled grass-fed cattle is to keep the animals on pasture for two years or more. Most pasture-based ranchers dry-age the beef for 7–21 days, enhancing the flavor and tenderness of the meat.[citation needed]
- marbling which is just as on you horse meat photo, small parts of fat equally spread everywhere amongst the muscleBut 95% of the horse meats that I buy are extremely lean. I always ask my seller to give me the most fatty parts, but I rarely get ones.
But 95% of the horse meats that I buy are extremely lean. I always ask my seller to give me the most fatty parts, but I rarely get ones.I hate it that when I buy raw horsemeat in Italy, they routinely cut off the fat in front of me. I have to tell them in bad Italian to stop, and then they think I'm crazy.
The horse meat that I buy is predominatingly very lean.
But sometimese it has got a little bit of fat; like that one.
When it comes to the sheep this theory is bullocks :D
The mutton is SO FATTY at the end of the summer, from animals eating ONLY grass, wild fruits, etc.
So much internal fat.
The taste of badly fed animals meat can be great ....
Any vindication? I disagree.
Tyler probably too.
The marbling would get in the way of the muscle function. There's nothing good about it being there, it serves no purpose for padding or insulation, it can only be a malfunction.Intramuscular triglycerides can be used as the very good source of energy
Yeah, I would certainly disagree. Once one gets used to the taste of raw meats, one generally finds that raw wild game tastes far superior to grassfed and that grassfed is superior to grainfed.
Tyler probably too.
Yeah, I would certainly disagree. Once one gets used to the taste of raw meats, one generally finds that raw wild game tastes far superior to grassfed and that grassfed is superior to grainfed.
Fat on wild animals does exist too, but is far less evident as wild animals naturally have to exercise a great deal throughout their lives.
Yes, there’s usually little fat on wild mammals (..) Apparently they get some fat when they have access to corn fields.That's not necessarily true.
There are very fatty wild seals, walruses, polar bears and relatively lean caribous. And neither of them have got access to any corns whatsover.
I was just talking about the wild animals we have access here in temperate climates.Wild boars, bears or wisents are IMO definitely much fatter than the deers, even without any grains.
There are very fatty wild seals
These are only fatty in comparison to non-fatty wild animals, from what I've seen. They still appear to have nowhere near as much fat as domesticated animals.That's obviously untrue.
Can you get bear and wisent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisent) meat in Poland? I never found any.Bear - not.
Actually,I read somewhere that while seals do have a lot of fat in the form of blubber, their actual meat is very lean indeed.Come on...
On the videos of inuit eating seals, when they cut it open it does not look particularly fatty, even the blubber.(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sgklLvVdR4Q/Sg3qm21SmUI/AAAAAAAABOo/fQnBKlgA9EA/s400/IMG_0683.JPG)
liver of white tail deer we harvested about one month ago.I got a young buck(roadkill ) and its liver was very crisp without a single blemish
nothing like beef, bison, or lamb liver. the sweetness is about the same but with much different flavor. and texture is kind of crunchy.
i did locate two worm cysts (i think that's what they were). small things, outer shell is transparent and another solid white ball inside. it probably has more. it's been in the freezer for a month so I'm not worried too much about it.
hopefully we'll get more deers later this year.
are you going to eat raw horsemeat again after your tapeworm experience?I've eaten about 150 lbs of horse meat for 2 years now and I've never had any issue with it.
Speaking of raw horse, I'm curious, Tyler--are you going to eat raw horsemeat again after your tapeworm experience?Naturally. It wasn't a big deal, as it was such a rare event.
I don’t have the slightest idea how much carbs and even calories I eat and I don’t give a damn about it...
It is very slimy so I found it hard to cut into smaller segments
I had half a kilo of raw wild boar todayThat's more or less the same amount of wild boar that I ate couple of minutes ago. :)
I had half a kilo of raw wild boar plus some raw oranges and 1-2 raw tomatoes;
do you eat all of this together? just curious about digestionUsually not. I find it best to keep c. half an hour between eating fruits and eating meats.
How are you going to eat that fekking mackerel? Will you prepare it in any way?
nahThanks for the interesting info, KD. So you eat the meat, the eyes and some of the skin? Have you ever tried or considered eating the brain or any of the organs too? It's pretty neat that you can get mackerel with the innards intact. All mackerel and sardines larger than about 4 inches (and most fish in general) I've seen sold in my area were pre-cleaned of organs. It's nice that you can get wild whole mackerel at that low a price. I wish I could.
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/off-topic/what-are-you-eating-right-now/msg57249/#msg57249
just like these only bigger. I did get it cleaned but I eat everything else that is remaining, although i'm not stingy about the skin and and not opposed to just plain wasting some of it as you can see. I do eat the eyes. fairly fatty wild food $4/lb.
oh I had a white grapefruit today also, it was fantastic.
OK, thanks. There is no Whole Foods in my state yet, nor Trader Joe's for that matter.
Well the secret (or at least as far as my knowledge) is that all markets and supermarkets generally go to the same fish markets. So basically if I buy wild scallops at Stop & Shop, its like the same shit at WF only like $8.00 cheaper per lb.I haven't seen much in the way of whole fish at any of my local markets, but I'll continue to keep my eye out. For a few weeks out of the year one local market has small quantities of expensive whole sardines for sale. I tried them and unfortunately found the guts to be bitter, as someone else mentioned above.
I see lots of egg cartons in your photo. How many eggs did you eat at once?
With eating all those eggs, have your irises lightened at all (greener or bluer)?
Do you have junk food days ?
actually yeah, I don't know if it is the eggs, but I have those sought after greens. Although growing up I had hazel, which is closer to green I guess. They have some brownish center it seems though. Probably indicative of something ominous. :)The cysteine in egg yolks and other foods (like poultry, garlic, onions, broccoli and Brussels sprouts) reportedly inhibits melanin production. The remaining brown in your eyes probably just means you have enough melanin production to maintain some brown, or that you have a lethal disease. (joke)
The cysteine in egg yolks and other foods (like poultry, garlic, onions, broccoli and Brussels sprouts) reportedly inhibits melanin production.
"seelachsfilet"
That sounds delicious,
Last night I got given a whole IMPALA from one of my yoga students whose husband runs a game farm! Was killed last week, he hung it for a few days and then got thier butcher to cut it up for me. I have had to freeze all the 'meal-size' cuts, but enough space in my fridge for two legs.
Well, guess it's going to be wild impala for days to come! Had a tiny taste after class last night as I was unpacking and freezing, delicious. The dogs thought so too!!
Hi Bronwen,
as far as I know Impalas a very lean animals. I would like to know: Do they have fat at all? (backfat, kidney fat etc.)? Was it a grass fed animal?
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Last I ate, maybe a half hour ago, was plain calf liver I had cut into bite size chunks without using metal. I didn't eat or drink anything with it and no sauce/dip.
Yes, you are right, they are very lean animals, no significant back or kidney fat. ...
What are your experiences with nuts?
Unfortunately I found all nuts I tried so far completely useless regarding nutrition. I get digestive trouble from nuts. Furthermore I always get moody if I eat more than a handful of (100%) raw nuts.
Unfortunately I found all nuts I tried so far completely useless regarding nutrition. I get digestive trouble from nuts.
Are there fat wild animals in southern Africa available at all?I am not sure - will have to find out. It will be part of my learning curve in RPD!
What are your experiences with nuts?
I like all sorts of nuts. I eat never more than 150g but that's enough to satisfy me.
Do you eat nuts mono? Or do you mix them with dried fruits? Sometimes digestive troubles arise from a lack of salt and therefore from a lack of gastric acid. Do you eat pure salt or drink seawater?
But maybe your body needs other stuff more than nuts at the moment. I would try different kinds of nuts from time to time and observe if the needs change.
Ate kale with a large green caterpillar, lettuce with several small brownish caterpillars, as well as tarragon and coriander. Just trying the green stuff out, and the caterpillars came as an extra.
Greens can be very helpful in cases with candida problems.
What are your experiences with greens so far?
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What are your experiences with greens so far?
Ok... I've been eating some green stuff.. lettuce, herbs etc during the day, chewing thoroughly and not eating a vast amount, and leaving quite a lot of hours before eating meat in the evening, but... I've found that the meat is obstructed by the veg, and in the night I will feel sick until I pass the veg, and then I'm ok again.. I don't know if this is because I need to adapt to eating plants, or what.. but I will go back to eating ZC again for now. I also got one small acne pimple on my face related to eating the veg, but again I don't know if this would change if I adapted to eating the veg. I don't know if I should be adapted or not.
... I've found that the meat is obstructed by the veg, and in the night I will feel sick until I pass the veg, and then I'm ok again..
I have just been eating the tastiest raw-meat dish ever. It was raw wild boar but the shoulder, not fillet or stewing-steak. As a result, the meat was very fatty indeed and had a unique taste which absolutely wowed me. I will mostly buy that kind of cut from now on.
I couldn't agree more!I suppose that raw wild boar should be considered red meat as it is so dark red. Pork is only considered white meat, as grainfed pork looks so white and pale.
BTW: Is wild boar considered as red meat or white meat in UK?
According to Aajonus, in US pork is considered as white meat. In Germany it's usually sorted into the red meat department.
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My raw beef went up the mountains to Banaue Rice Terraces and beyond. Nice view from Native Village Inn with bone marrow, raw beef and beef with vinegar garlic and pepper.
full story and more pictures
http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/04/22/native-village-inn-uhaj-banaue-rice-terraces-welcome-to-paradise/
Will soon be eating mostly raw horsemeat.In Italy? Be careful with those tapeworms ;)
Roasted Duck
WT ???
I quickly need an advice: do you eat the whole tongue? I've never eaten before and the skin seems quite thick! Check the second pic. I can't cut through it with my knife..I do eat the whole tongue. The smaller it is the softer it is (lamb one for example).
Its the beginning my birthday through the 4th of July feast.
30raw eggs a jar of honey 500 gram ground beef
30raw eggs a jar of honey 500 gram ground beef
30raw eggs a jar of honey 500 gram ground beefi wonder why you only get slings and arrows over the eggs. I find the JAR of honey a lot more extreme! See those hit workout make you hungry ;D personally i would eat more meat and less eggs. but hey if it works for you. I hate ground beef, i like to do that myself with my lttle ceramic grinders ;)
10 egg yolks - 8 chicken and 2 duck ones.I poke two holes in the eggs with something pointy and suck out the contents. Much less messy and it disguises the taste a bit and mixes the contents up so they taste better.
Here I'm devouring duck one ;) -
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Wild boar aged some weeks in my fridge. A nice and very tasty white coat of yeast formed on surface since that fridge seems to be sown now.
So you eat it along with the mold?? I throw any moldy food (primarily fruits) that I spot, hmm.The mould is simply food that is pre-digested and so therefore more nutritious in that it is broken down thereby the nutrients are exposed. I cannot prove that statement but that is the premise behind "High meat". My neighbour was brought up in Tibet and they had no fridges, so their meat gradually got mouldy over time. He told me that it was best tasting when it turned blue.
There are a lot of different moulds, some are good, some are bad. On the meat I showed in photo it’s very good, I think it’s a kind of yeast.Exactly!
the bad molds as far as I know are bad because they produce some toxins? and toxins usually are not very tasteful.Aflatoxins for example.
I highly recommend raw crabs and raw oysters. They are quite cheap and very high in nutrients.
Its Durian season!
IGUANA you've said about eating rosehips before, how do you do it? On Wikipedia it says one must avoid the hairs inside because they are itchy..?
and home grown seeded grapes. So delicious!Concord grapes? I just had some today. I picked some wild grapes, started talking to an old man who had concord grape vines, he gave me some for free. Where he lives now used to be his family farm. Now it's a neighborhood. He talked about working as a young man. And eating two cups of fresh raw milk and cream before starting chores. He knows about the food industry and how things have gone down hill. He remembers when the butter was yellow here, then they started adding yellow food coloring when feeding the cows mainly grains, now people don't care and are used to white butter. Also we talked about the egg yolks of chickens fed mainly grains, pale yellow color. And the nice bright orange color of free range eggs.
@Sully, I think my grapes are not concord grapes type. They contain very strong flavor and skin are thicker than regular grapes in the market. I don't know the proper spelling, but called "mascandas" something.
I have become a lamb slayer, and have eaten all but one of my friends unwanted males.You are eating good indeed!
The heads are accumulating, I also buy extra heads from the butcher shop.
Tongue and brains galore.
I just found a fresh deer carcass, a young male still with spots. I have been eating good.
My butcher also gave me ten pounds of lamb fat, so I should be set for the next week.
I will usually consume the whole animal by the third week so I am not sure about aging it beyond that.
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This is my latest kill, a large male lamb, its been aging on a meat hook for the last three days. I love the cool weather we have been having its perfect for aging meat out in my shed.
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Hi Sabertooth,
what minimum meat aging time for lamb/mutton do you recommend?
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Sabertooth, may I ask how you slaughter the animals? I know that there is some concern when killing an animal to ensure a stress-free death so as not to spark the release of certain chemicals into the body. This may be hearsay but I know I've heard something along these lines and I was wondering how you slaughter.
When slaughtering a lamb, I was taught to slit its throat and bleed it out.
This is an unrelated question, but when and how often do you find yourself eating? Do you eat one large meal in the middle of the day?
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I am in the middle of forming a theory which explains my experiences with aged meats.
Its called bacterial cycling.
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Does anybody eat fresh water fish raw? Please advise me.
I don't. I haven't found a worthy clean source. Pristine fresh water shrimp in a far off province, 1 time.Yes, we have the same problem in Europe. Even in clean mountain streams, they release young farmed trouts to be fished later. >D
I'm having my usual:- raw wild moufflon(thanks Iguana for recommending it) and raw wild boar meats. Also some raw eggs and some raw grapes, the eggs are not organic or free-range by label but are as good in quality, the grapes are nonorganic.
One more marrow question. If I had some venison bones would I just wack them with a hammer then get out what I could. I get hungry thinking about marrow, but just not understanding, maybe if I'm holding the bone it will make sense.
One more marrow question. If I had some venison bones would I just wack them with a hammer then get out what I could. I get hungry thinking about marrow, but just not understanding, maybe if I'm holding the bone it will make sense.
Tyler, how is it that you source all this wild game? Do you just buy it from hunters or wild game processors?Usually, I get my raw wild game from local farmers' markets as they are so much cheaper there - farmers are the most frequent hunters, for obvious reasons, so they are the best source. I can get wild venison, wild hare and wild mallard duck from them as well as a variety of raw wildcaught seafood. However, these days, I don't usually bother as I have access to a local wildgame wholesale company which usually sells to restaurants but which also sells to the public. It's expensive, but, there, I can get hold of raw moufflon and raw wild boar which I prefer.
I'm having my usual:- raw wild moufflon(thanks Iguana for recommending it) and raw wild boar meats. Also some raw eggs and some raw grapes, the eggs are not organic or free-range by label but are as good in quality, the grapes are nonorganic.
I have not eaten wild moufflon so far. (hard to get in Germany)I don't think so. At least the cuts I get probably have some of the fat already cut off, if there was any. But then again, raw wild game is notoriously lean.
Is it very lean?
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I don't think so. At least the cuts I get probably have some of the fat already cut off, if there was any. But then again, raw wild game is notoriously lean.
I'm sure there are wild game wholesalers/butchers in Germany who can provide raw wild moufflon. I know that they are available in Austria.
Where did our ancestors in Europe get all the fat from? Have they been totally dependent on Auerochs and Wisent? Or did they cook some tubers? Tsss...
I disagree that fat is all that important - and wild animals have always been very lean due to doing exercise, it's only domesticated animals that can build up large amounts of fat. Plus, HGs in palaeo times would have eaten the raw organs as well, some of which are very fatty indeed. The meats I get currently are mostly raw muscle-meats.
They certainly ate plant foods, including cooked and processed plant foods (seeds (including wild grains!), nuts (plant fat!), roots, berries etc.). This even applies to the Neanderthals:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/12/27/fossilized-food-stuck-in-neandertal-teeth-indicates-plant-rich-diet/ (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/12/27/fossilized-food-stuck-in-neandertal-teeth-indicates-plant-rich-diet/)
I disagree that fat is all that important - and wild animals have always been very lean due to doing exercise,
Tonight I had :
- lamb liver
- lamb leg
- a whole fennel
- a whole broccoli stem
- peanuts (raw, of course)
- 3 apples
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Sounds like a great meal Iguana. I am interested that you eat peanuts. Personally I had some negative experiences with peanuts in the past and gave them up. I wonder if you have to be careful not to overindulge in them?Thanks, yes it was a great meal ! ;)
The question is again if cooked plant food beside healthy raw meat could be better than just fruits. What is your opinion?
Where did our ancestors in Europe get all the fat from? Have they been totally dependent on Auerochs and Wisent?Speaking of Auerochs and Wisent: Apparently they do not have that much fat. Here is a comparison:
Unlike commercially raised beef which can be rapidly cooled because its meat is well protected from extreme cold by a heavy layer of insulating fat, bison, especially grass-fed bison, has a much leaner fat cover.
Elephants are claimed to have mainly lean meat here:-Elephants exceed the body bulk vs body surface area rule and thus have serious cooling problems. Thats why they have huge ears with lots of veins in them. They act as radiators to vent off excess heat. Given this it would be very surprising if they had a lot of heat insulating fat ;)
Speaking of Auerochs and Wisent: Apparently they do not have that much fat. Here is a comparison:
Beef: 14g fat / 100g
Auerochs: 5g fat / 100g
Wisent: 3g fat / 100g
Maybe the fattest, tastiest animals went extinct first. ;D
Elephants, dugongs and hippos come to mind... HORSES are VERY VERY FAT.
Our ancestors drew lots of horses.... maybe one of their favorite foods.
A for Loewenherz's comment re my "wishy-washy" accounts, what do you expect? I follow a far more varied diet than Lex, which is also subject to food-availability(that is, on rare occasions, I might, one week, not be able to buy any raw wild game or raw grassfed meats, so I might just eat raw fruits instead for those 7 days; another time I might eat only 100 percent raw meats for 5 days because I can't be bothered to go out and buy raw fruits etc.
Whatever the case, I think that raw fat is only an essential on a raw, zero-carb diet, and, even there, I think that the overall percentage of fat required is lower than the percentages quoted in Zero-Carb circles.
A for Loewenherz's comment re my "wishy-washy" accounts, what do you expect? I follow a far more varied diet than Lex, which is also subject to food-availability(that is, on rare occasions, I might, one week, not be able to buy any raw wild game or raw grassfed meats, so I might just eat raw fruits instead for those 7 days; another time I might eat only 100 percent raw meats for 5 days because I can't be bothered to go out and buy raw fruits etc.
GS, horses are generally classified as providing "lean meats", being low in fat.
Hippos are also very lean:-
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Judging from online pdfs, dugongs are also considered to have lean meats.
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Elephants are claimed to have mainly lean meat here:-
I tried to live only from local wild meat and berries etc. in the summer. Just for one week, I just got no fat at all. ???
I got such cravings for coconut(fat) I had to stop my experiment.
So there cannot have been much fat around. Of course they ate marrow and brains but there was not lot of these. I guess everybody shared them, and they were looked at as the best parts, as fat was so rare. That is why. I do not believe we need huge amounts of fat either. At least not when eating fruit and veggies as Tyler said.
I appreciate your thoughts..
“The buffalo meat, however, is the great staple and ‘staff of life’ in this country, and seldom (if ever) fails to afford them an abundant and wholesome means of subsistence. There are, from a fair computation, something like 250,000 Indians in these western regions, who live almost exclusively on the flesh of these animals, through every part of the year. During the summer and fall months they use the meat fresh and cook it in a great variety of ways, by roasting, broiling, boiling, stewing, and smoking; and by boiling the ribs and joints with the marrow in them, make a delicious soup, which is universally used, and in vast quantities.”
North American Indians by George Catlin (A tribute to a lost way of life. From 1831 to 1837)
The actual percentage of physical fat deposits on an animal is not important. If you use up every section of the leanest of animal you can easily be eating many meals of more than 60% fat by calorie. This would be particularly true if your diet did not involve catching a single animal and bringing it back home to dine exclusively on, but mirrored more the actual processes generally available in nature. In a situation like the plains with some larger predators not being able to make use of things such as marrow, humans are very capable - and thought to thrive - scavenging and picking out bone marrow, brain etc... This is not even accounting for other fats such as plants or fats of other animals in other climates. Some people emphasize fat as their main macronutrient without eating much of it (or any with modern folks) from animals such as those found in coconuts and mongono, avocado etc..
The discussion over fat as a nutrient and as a energy source are totally different. Many see fats as the most important nutrient (or just other macronutrients as more problematic) but the issue for most people is energy. People dwell on their own macronutrient percentage of fat because generally when one is limiting carbs in a current artificial climate its going to indicate how much of the diets energy is coming from fats and how much the body is working to get it from protein. Its simple math that if one is eating less than 20%, 10% or 5 % of a diet from carbs and less than 30% of their diet is fat than you are going to be dealing with maybe 400 g! of protein or more DAILY for the average inactive person. with 50% fat its still going to be around 300g protein! Keep in mind in nature one would need to be active, possibly for long periods of time which would require being able to burn fat, OR having a constant and regular supply year round of carbohydrates.
Basically if you took an entire animal even if its BF percentage was extremely low you could still get quite a large quantity in grams of fat from it. Possibly enough to walk away with food for weeks or more.
Eating muscle meats as a primary fuel in areas absent of much plants carbs I'm not sure would be a suitable option.
If one isn't eating a large part of their energy as fat or plant based carbs you are inevitably talking about inadequate energy and potentially problematic intake of proteins.
For a modern person its pretty self-explanatory.
a diet of 1 banana, 5 lbs of separated-lean deer meat and 1 deer brain yields: 3188 calories 73/03/25 protein/carbs/fat for the moderately active adult male. This works out to be 500+ g of protein.
Have you ever tried such a 73 percent protein diet? I would say that it is not possible over a prolonged time. I got massive heart problems on such experiments, even with 'only' 3-4 pounds of muscle meat from domestic animals.
Wrong. A more likely conclusion is that the protein ceiling theory is just a myth or that the protein ceiling figure of 100g(?) is way, way too low as an estimate.
Conclusion: Your diet is very different from the diet of our European ancestors.
Correct?
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This doesn't mean that there weren't grazing animals in Africa or whatever other origin that did not supply such. The idea that all animals need to be lean to exist in nature to move around or whatever is obviously false.
The addition of cooked or raw carbs complicates that argument and of course could be argued as superior but it remains that one could get 60-80% fat in nature as indeed totally possible..
Wrong. A more likely conclusion is that the protein ceiling theory is just a myth or that the protein ceiling figure of 100g(?) is way, way too low as an estimate.
Generally above I was just being fair that no one knows for certain that 300,400,500+ grams of protein is bad or even unnatural, but does seem to be, scientifically, not to mention unnecessary or inefficient for energy.
just another observation: cycling from mostly plant carbs to eating lots of lean meats I don't think requires the same (or any) transition as this is basically the same thing when contrasted with transitioning from that approach to a much lower protein and low carbs for extended periods or for fasting and exerting lots of energy.
thread should probably split off, maybe more people will weigh in then.
GS, horses are generally classified as providing "lean meats", being low in fat.
I merely think that the maximum percentage of protein in the diet before harm occurs is way above the usual figures quoted by ZCers, and that fat-intake is not all that essential, if above a certain very low figure, that's all.
Otherwise, all-meat-eating Eskimoes would constantly be in trouble, during times they could only get leaner meats. And my own experience appears to indicate that lots of lean meats minus carbs is not the end of the world.
I never bother calculating exact figures re calories and the like, I have an aversion to such clinical behaviour, as it seems to me somewhat orthorexic, but it is always possible that when I am not eating any plants/carbs I am possibly eating more fat than I think I am, in terms of overall calories, even from lean meats.
Whoever classified horses as lean meats must be wrong.
Where I buy my horse meat and the entire carcass is there, the tummy portion of the horse holds lots and lots of yellow fat all the time.
The trick to buying horse meat is you buy some lean meat.
And you buy some fat together with it.
And there is enough FAT to go around.
I'd wager that the person who said horse meat is LEAN is just talking about the meat portions and totally disregarding the belly portion where most of the yummy yellow FAT is!
How much fat in wild animals? The old miracle question here.
If even a super fat looking hippo is actually lean...
'Indeed totally possible'? Most readers here are not convinced. What makes you sure about this question?
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You seem to be playing devils advocate now. I don't see what there is to be convinced about.
There are, from a fair computation, something like 250,000 Indians in these western regions, who live almost exclusively on the flesh of these animals, through every part of the year.
This is simply not correct. AFAIK (almost?) all Indians in North America, except the Inuit, ate mostly plant foods; they grew domesticated plants such as corn (which was eaten by almost all tribes), pumpkin etc.; they traded, for example buffalo meat for corn, etc.
The point I'm thinking about is:
If there really WAS not 'enough' fat in wild animals the RAW paleo idea would be logically completely inconsistent (due to a lack of fruits) in comparison to Wrangham & Co.
Of course, such thoughts are irrelevant in our daily practise if you are not trying (like I have) to make a 100 % local VLC RAW paleo diet based on 100% wild game meat possible. Such dietary parameters require the domestication of animals in todays world.
This is simply not correct. AFAIK (almost?) all Indians in North America, except the Inuit, ate mostly plant foods; they grew domesticated plants such as corn (which was eaten by almost all tribes), pumpkin etc.; they traded, for example buffalo meat for corn, etc.
The point I'm thinking about is:
If there really WAS not 'enough' fat in wild animals the RAW paleo idea would be logically completely inconsistent (due to a lack of fruits) in comparison to Wrangham & Co.
Of course, such thoughts are irrelevant in our daily practise if you are not trying (like I have) to make a 100 % local VLC RAW paleo diet based on 100% wild game meat possible. Such dietary parameters require the domestication of animals in todays world. But maybe GS finds much fattier wild animals than Tyler... hehehe. OK, enough for today.
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Are later Native American accounts after agriculture and the common use of cooking pertinent to RAW paleo? (I mean that as a serious question).
Here's another serious question: How much of our diets need to be modified to account for generations and early lifetimes of poor eating? Even if our ancestors did not eat much fat or get much fruit - does that necessarily mean that we shouldn't be?
This is simply not correct. AFAIK (almost?) all Indians in North America, except the Inuit, ate mostly plant foods; they grew domesticated plants such as corn (which was eaten by almost all tribes), pumpkin etc.; they traded, for example buffalo meat for corn, etc.What is actually correct is that the Indians in the south were the ones who grew corn and were agrarian. The Indians in the North, south of the Inuit, however, were not agrarian, and lived instead on meats, pemmican and the like, not corn. At least, that's according to the WAPF, last I checked.
I despise the phrase "must have" that was used in this thread recently. Anyone who uses that automatically loses the argument, no matter how good their other points. It's anti-science. Please shoot me if I use it. Sorry, major pet peeve. -[
Some people have been making a lot of guesses and assumptions, which is typical on the Internet. Instead of doing that, why not read all you can about the actual hunter gatherer, pastoral and horticultural peoples you've been making guesses about and learn what you can? It's much more interesting and rewarding than pure speculation. Why not do as Stephen Covey advised and seek first to understand, then to be understood?
Some people have been making a lot of guesses and assumptions, which is typical on the Internet. Instead of doing that, why not read all you can about the actual hunter gatherer, pastoral and horticultural peoples you've been making guesses about and learn what you can? It's much more interesting and rewarding than pure speculation. Why not do as Stephen Covey advised and seek first to understand, then to be understood?Food-science is so new a science as is palaeoanthropology, that sometimes one has to make guesses based on very few facts, so "must have" isn't the end of the world to use as a phrase.
What is actually correct is that the Indians in the south were the ones who grew corn and were agrarian. The Indians in the North, south of the Inuit, however, were not agrarian, and lived instead on meats, pemmican and the like, not corn. At least, that's according to the WAPF, last I checked.
Early on, until about 2000 BC, people in North America ate only wild foods that they could hunt or gather.
These foods varied according to the environment where each group of people lived. Inuit people, who lived in the far north along the coasts of the Arctic Ocean and in Alaska, ate a lot of fish and seal meat, and gathered seaweed. Chinook people, who lived a little further south in the Pacific Northwest (modern Oregon and Washington) ate a lot of salmon, and wapato, which was a lot like potatoes. Further south, Californian people ate a lot of bread made from acorns.
Wapato has played an important role in Katzie traditional lifeways. ...wapato produces starchy tubers which were an ethnographically known food source for native groups throughout much of North America. ... Wapato provided the Katzie with a predictable carbohydrate balance to a largely protein diet which was based on a salmon, both these food items being predictable resources. The Katzie and their neighbors maintained relationships associated with the growing and trade of wapato which is harvested in the fall/winter months, a time of year when air and water temperatures are cold.
One of the food staples particularly enjoyed by the Ojibwa and Menominee was wild rice, which is not a true rice but rather a cereal grass-Zizania aquatica-which grows in shallow lakes and streams. It ripens in late summer, usually from the middle of August to early September. Native people in the Great Lakes boiled rice and ate it with corn, beans, or squash. Meat, a small amount of grease, or maple sugar was often added for seasoning. As a treat, it was occasionally parched like popcorn. For storage, rice was placed in birchbark containers. If a family wished to leave some rice in an area they would return to later in the year, they buried a dugout canoe full of rice on the sunny slope of a hill, so rain water would drain off and not spoil the grain. It was said that rice cached this way would keep as long as two years.http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/icw-36.html (http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/icw-36.html)
Wild rice was so important to the Menominee that they became known as the Wild Rice people.
Native Americans not only utilized several wild species of goosefoot, they also domesticated Chenopodium in at least three different regions of the Americas -- in the Andes of South America, in Middle America, and in the Eastern Woodlands of North America. One species, Chenopodium quinoa, or quinoa (KEEN-wah), was domesticated in the South American Andes about 5,000 years ago. The fruit of this plant, a seedlike "achene", is cultivated commercially and is growing in popularity as a replacement for grains such as rice, wheat, and oats. Another species, Chenopodium berlandieri, is one of four plants that were actually domesticated in the Eastern Woodlands of North America prior to the introduction and wide utilization of corn (maize).http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/st-plains/nature/images/chenopod.html (http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/st-plains/nature/images/chenopod.html)
Food-science is so new a science as is palaeoanthropology, that sometimes one has to make guesses based on very few facts, so "must have" isn't the end of the world to use as a phrase.Except that "must have" isn't a guess, it's a certainty as well as an assumption, which is my beef with that. Science is not about certainties, especially when the science is so new, as you admitted. Thanks for making my point.
Many peoples WOULD and did indeed have had to consume cooked starches to survive in most non-tropical climates if they did not acess to sufficient fat.
Even if there is no 'protein ceiling' ..
In Paleo Philippines (1520s) when the Spaniards first arrived, they said this land was the land of PLENTY.
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No idea re protein ceiling. I just note that eating lots of very lean meats and no fruits does not harm me. Now, granted, I don't necessarily stick to this all the time, and sometimes have lots of fats or lots of carbs as well or instead, but there is no immediate sign of problems re excess protein even if I consume only lean meats and hardly any carbs for a week or two.
..Even if our ancestors did not eat much fat or get much fruit - does that necessarily mean that we shouldn't be?
..Some people have been making a lot of guesses and assumptions, which is typical on the Internet. Instead of doing that, why not read all you can about the actual hunter gatherer, pastoral and horticultural peoples you've been making guesses about and learn what you can?
Personally I am in the camp that believes that people in nature have done well on fat based diets..
They did not only eat meat but also starchy foods. Please research for yourself. Just three examples from memory:
You can really eat just lean (wild) meats without carbs or additional fats for one or two weeks?Well, no, but I've eaten raw leg of grassfed lamb for up to 10 days, with minimal fruit eaten.
REALLY?
And how much super-lean meat do or can you eat in such days? How many pounds?
Let me repeat: You say you can eat for example exclusively leg of deer (ca. 3% fat) for seven days??
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Well, no, but I've eaten raw leg of grassfed lamb for up to 10 days, with minimal fruit eaten.
Same here. And it makes sense.
Everyone around me eats cooked starches. Most of the 7 billion people on this planet eat cooked starches. Nevertheless I view cooked starches as crap food. Definitely nothing for me.
Many years I thought (like most instinctos) that it is the trick to replace cooked starches with fruit sugar. At the beginning everything was perfect. Today I have to admit that I need too much time to realize the damage done by fructose.
PP thinks that macronutrient ratios don't matter. That's silly. And the whole dietary scenario is not a labyrinth but actually a very simple construction.
You can live mainly on sugar OR fats. If you choose sugar you have two options:
a) cooked starches
b) fruits
Both possibilities are not optimal. Whereas in the long-run cooked starches are definetely better than fructose. Sugar should never be our main energy source.
Conclusion: A fat based diet is the ONLY available answer.
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I've eaten raw venison by itself for something like 3 or 4 days at a time, with no issues. Not a regular occurrence given the price, but it did me no harm. I doubt 7 days would make a difference.
Let me repeat: You say you can eat for example exclusively leg of deer (ca. 3% fat) for seven days??
My terribly sick son is healing on:
Fruit:
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What can we learn from actual hunter gatherer groups, Phil? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Most of them smoke and drink alcohol etc.I've learned a lot more from them than I have from your speculations. Why are you eating a hunter-gatherer style diet if you think you can learn absolutely nothing from hunter gatherers who had been doing it for thousands of years before you came along and declared their experience to be useless? Why wouldn't you be well served by less pontificating and more learning?
Löwenherz
That's a good question. Many people claim that our paleo ancestors in cold regions had a really miserable life and a extremely short lifespan."Many people claim" is not evidence.
Löwenherz
PP thinks that macronutrient ratios don't matter. That's silly.That's a silly oversimplification I've what I've said. I've said they're not the end-all and be-all that some make them out to be, NOT that they never matter at all. Some put too much emphasis on macronutrient ratio and not enough on other factors. Neither low-carb nor low-fat is the answer to all obesity or health issues.
The mere fact that some HGs did something for 1,000s of years by no means makes it healthy. People have been cooking for millenia, and recent multitude of scientific studies have shown just how harmful cooking is, for example.Correct, which is why I've never made that claim and have frequently warned against making that assumption and I supported the same cooking example by reporting on the Giant Panda example, which you yourself then cited (see also the text in my signature and icon caption for further reminders that I don't use the approach you're critiquing).
What can we learn from actual hunter gatherer groups, Phil? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.It would appear that you think that we can at least learn that tubers were the least-preferred of the staple foods of the Hadza from the study that you and I cited and discussed.
The Ray Mears caveman dietThere's tons and tons of info available nowadays and no excuse any more really, if there ever was, for railing at people based on speculations, unless one's only purpose is venting off steam rather than actually learning anything.
The survival expert Ray Mears tells why we should all be eating like our hunter-gatherer ancestors
Emma Smith
October 12, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4919415.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4919415.ece)
Forget those faddish diets: the grapefruit diet, the South Beach diet, the cabbage soup diet, Posh Spice’s latest starvation diet. There’s only one diet real men need to worry about and that’s the Paleo Diet - aka the Caveman Diet - which, in its most basic form, consists of what our hunter-gatherer ancestors would have eaten.
Who says so? Ray Mears. He’s qualified to pronounce on such matters because he has spent more than a decade researching what our distant forebears used to survive on. He has also spent weeks in the wild with nothing more to eat than nuts, berries and lean meat. These, he believes, are the key to avoiding illness and premature death associated with our excessive western consumption of refined sugar and carbohydrate.
Namibia Ray Mears S1E5 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB8n8QM0xY&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB8n8QM0xY&NR=1)
Ray Mears on Ju hoansi Bushmen of Namibia
I've learned a lot more from them than I have from your speculations.
"Macronutrient ratios bore me at this point. Come to think of it, anyone who argues for a macronutrient ratio for the whole human race automatically loses the argument."
Fruit sugar is very destructive and makes you age fasterIf you eat fruit sugar in moderate amounts, it certainly won´t make you age faster. (I know at least one example.) Why not combine fat with sugar as energy source?
What can we learn from actual hunter gatherer groups, Phil?We can learn, for example, which wild foods are available in sufficient amounts given a certain environment and which diets are sustainable in the long run.
Camassia species were an important food staple for Native Americans and settlers in parts of the American Old West. Many areas in the Northwest are named for the plant ....The Quamash was a food source for many native peoples in the western United States and Canada. After being harvested in the autumn, once the flowers have withered, the bulbs were pit-roasted or boiled. A pit-cooked camas bulb looks and tastes something like baked sweet potato, but sweeter, and with more crystalline fibers due to the presence of inulin in the bulbs. When dried, the bulbs could be pounded into flour. Native American tribes who ate camas include the Nez Perce, Cree, Coast Salish, Lummi, and Blackfoot tribes, among many others.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camassia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camassia)
Hopniss is widespread in eastern North America. It grows from southern Canada to the Gulf of Mexico and from the Great Plains to the East Coast. .... Hopniss was an important food for Native Americans throughout its range. There are probably more historical and ethnographic accounts of the use of this tuber than of any other root vegetable in North America; to list them all would take pages. Hopniss was planted near village sites to provide a readily accessible food source, expanding its range in places.http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/The_Forager/hopniss.htm (http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/The_Forager/hopniss.htm)
"Hopniss or hapniss was the Indian name of a wild plant which they ate . . . The roots resemble potatoes, and were boiled by the Indians, who eat them instead of bread. . . . the Indians who live further in the country do not only eat these roots, which are equal in goodness to potatoes, but likewise take the pease which lie in the pods of this plant, and prepare them like common pease." - Peter Kalm, 1749 (from Kindscher, 1987)
"A woman will dig from a peck to a half bushel a day. The Indians eat them, simply boiled in water, but prefer them cooked with fat meat." - Philander Prescott, Patent Office report on Agriculture,1849
raw TURKEY egg...!!!!
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anyone ever had one?
If you eat fruit sugar in moderate amounts, it certainly won´t make you age faster. (I know at least one example.) Why not combine fat with sugar as energy source?
I'm curious, do they taste like goose eggs?
How do you feed your turkeys?
No, it doesn't. High fat and high carb is deadly when it's cooked, but not when raw. At least that's my experience.
Eggs can be easy to digest. Use eggs for your fat, and the fruit should be fine, still all raw of course. How are you with fruit normally Löwenherz? The eggs may help. Try changing which fruit too, if you have the time etc.
Already one dug under the fence a few days ago and ate one of my hens. Anyone to come here and help me to set an electrified wire all around the park ? It would be more useful than endless arguing. ;) 8)
No, it doesn't. High fat and high carb is deadly when it's cooked, but not when raw. At least that's my experience.
Not paleo, but I just drank some A2 raw unhomogenized local grass fed milk.
I can hardly wait to try turkey eggs, maybe I should get turkeys instead of chickens or duck ..
Anyone want to come here and help me to set an electrified wire all around the park ? It would be more useful than endless arguing. ;) 8)
Iguana--what does the orange part of the scallop taste like? I can only get them shelled here, and all we get is the white muscle.It's the best part, called "roe" or "coral" but they don't always have it.
Scallops are a popular type of shellfish in both Eastern and Western cooking. They are characterized by having two types of meat in one shell: the adductor muscle, called "scallop" which is white and meaty, and the roe, called "coral", which is red or white and soft.For those of us who don't know what the strange word "cooking" means, Wikipedia has linked it... ;D
If I didn't have to stay here and take care of all my animals I'd be there in a heartbeat Iguana!I'm also stuck here because of my animals!
Unfortunately my ancestors left the warm tropical places of our origins, smashed the forests to replace them with grain fields, proliferated, killed most of the giant birds, a large part of the wild fauna, most of the sea turtles who provided plenty of the most delicious eggs and...
Because I was bored to be immediately considered as a foreigner at first sight and treated as such, I was bored to be informed too late that lazy inactive guys had called my wife a prostitute for the only reason that she was with me, she was bored of her own people too. Our son had to go to school somewhere and we chose Switzerland as he was a Swiss citizen (like me) since the Sri Lankan authorities refused to grant him the nationality of his mother and of the country where he was born! >:I understand. Not an easy situation for your family..
It's the best part, called "roe" or "coral" but they don't always have it.
They slaughter a couple of days a week and have garbage bags of fat trimmings , heads, bones, and other scraps that normally go to the dump. It a Muslim family farm that sells almost exclusively to other Muslim families,and there isn't much market for fat trimmings, bone marrow among their costumers so I may be able to get it all for free.
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What are 'moderate' amounts for you? But I agree insofar as small amounts of fruit are ok. It depends on the fructose load.I don´t know exactly. Personally, I seem to do fine with up to about 150 g of carbs a day, mainly from fruit (almost exclusively non-acidic fruit). Let´s say these carbs were all from banana (which usually is not the case). In this case, I would have eaten maximally 700 g banana. That would be about 24 g fructose.
Glucose (Traubenzucker) 3786 mg/100ghttp://www.fox-time.com/live/rivaldo-feeding/getreidefreies-muesli/inhaltsstoffe-bananen.php (http://www.fox-time.com/live/rivaldo-feeding/getreidefreies-muesli/inhaltsstoffe-bananen.php)
Fructose (Fruchtzucker) 3636 mg/100g
Monosaccharide (1 M) 7422 mg/100g
Saccharose (Rübenzucker) 11016 mg/100g
Disaccharide (2 M) 11016 mg/100g
Stärke 2952 mg/100g
High fruit + High fat usually creates problems in most people, like candida, blood sugar swings, digestive trouble, diabetes etc.Why? Any reference?
I don´t know exactly. Personally, I seem to do fine with up to about 150 g of carbs a day, mainly from fruit (almost exclusively non-acidic fruit).
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That would be about 24 g fructose.
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I eat foods rich in carbs separate from foods rich in fat or protein, meaning I eat them at different meals. Very important to me.
That would be about 24 g fructose.
http://www.fox-time.com/live/rivaldo-feeding/getreidefreies-muesli/inhaltsstoffe-bananen.php (http://www.fox-time.com/live/rivaldo-feeding/getreidefreies-muesli/inhaltsstoffe-bananen.php)
Google 'fructose glycation'.
Thanks . You're really making me crave it. Does it taste like sea urchin? Fresh sea urchin tastes soooo good.
Yes, but isn't it a reaction between sugars and proteins, thus the recommendation not to eat fruits (and other sweet foods) and proteins at the same time?
Sabertooth--is it grassfed? I might buy some from you.The beef is grassfed, I am not to sure about the lambs, because the guys brother raises all the sheep and I haven't gotten the chance to ask him yet. But they were just throwing away marrow bones, and fat trimmings by the garbage bag, of some of the best tasting stuff. I am going to try and talk with them about scheduling their slaughter days with me so that I can keep the choice scraps. I just don't know exactly how I would be able to sell it all. I may be able to freeze the excess after slaughter day and take orders and make deliveries.
The beef is grassfed, I am not to sure about the lambs, because the guys brother raises all the sheep and I haven't gotten the chance to ask him yet. But they were just throwing away marrow bones, and fat trimmings by the garbage bag, of some of the best tasting stuff. I am going to try and talk with them about scheduling their slaughter days with me so that I can keep the choice scraps. I just don't know exactly how I would be able to sell it all. I may be able to freeze the excess after slaughter day and take orders and make deliveries.
Is it OK to eat any pig part as long as it is grass fed, marrow bones too?Pigs don't eat grass. Nearly all pork is fed a terrible diet, even "organic" and "pastured" pork. It's not really worth eating , unless you can directly verify its diet.
What kind of fats do you usually eat?The complete range of "instincto" fats. I love fatty fish, coconut, soft bone marrow (if I can get some), and also brain, wild (sweet) avocados - if I can get/afford them. However, I also eat quite a few nuts, such as walnuts.
And how long have you been following a raw paleo style diet?http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/re-fat-suettallow-and-butter's-place-in-instincto/msg77140/#msg77140 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/re-fat-suettallow-and-butter's-place-in-instincto/msg77140/#msg77140)
Today I know that 150 g of carbs from fruit per day is too much for my body. Not because I can't handle or digest it or because I don't like the taste, but because of the already caused damages by fruit. The fructose constantly attacks our joints, skin etc. Google 'fructose glycation'.I googled and opened up a new thread about this topic: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/what-level-of-fructosesugarfruit-consumption-is-safe/new/#new (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/what-level-of-fructosesugarfruit-consumption-is-safe/new/#new)
Pigs don't eat grass. Nearly all pork is fed a terrible diet, even "organic" and "pastured" pork.
I had to throw out a little bit of a lamb in October because the weather was to warm and humid that it got a little nasty (even for me). But if the weather is in the 50s or lower with fairly low humidity it seems I can finish off a whole lamb unrefrigerated without any problems. After it air drys and ages a bit it taste real good, and the back fat seems to seal off the inner red meat from excessive molds and microbes.Yup, that matches my experience, though I haven't had any problems as long as the temps stay below the 80s (but maybe the humidity is lower here), and it's the way my relatives did things for thousands of years, until the 1970s. Luckily, somewhat-Northerly-Ireland rarely gets hot.
I just cut off whatever I want to eat and leave the rest. Its the most simplistic way of eatting I have yet to experience.
haha wow! I love that kind of enthusiasm!haha thanks ;-)
But I do want to try testicles as well.
Testicles are reputed to be good for women's skin. (Warning: AFAIK, they are not halal, so if you have a good meat source that is a halal butcher, don't ask for them there.)
... ovaries... Has anybody tried them?
... And I know Nstar bison has them sometimes but you need to call, I don't need anything else from them so I would have to pay the shipping fee for just 1 set of ovaries. ...
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... goose, and adrenals which felt good to me but I only took a small bite each time with surrounding fat, also I tried kidney again. ...
I HATE KIDNEY. I have tried so hard to like it. I have tried it raw, cooked (multiple ways), frozen, fresh (that is best the day it was taken from the animal, I have tried cow, lamb, and pig... and I have tried high kidney, I've tried them all lots of times, but nothing is tolerable. I want so bad to like it b/c my mind says that it's good for me and eventually I will like it, but not yet. Does anybody have any recipe ideas? Maybe if I mix it with lots of sauce. I haven't tried soaking it in milk, but that's next.
I wish I could eat ovaries too. Has anybody tried them?
My csa is also a dairy, so they don't butcher girls. And I haven't seen any pigs or sheep left, for this year, but next summer I will have lots. And I know Nstar bison has them sometimes but you need to call, I don't need anything else from them so I would have to pay the shipping fee for just 1 set of ovaries. $$$$ Maybe if somebody on the site would like to add them to there next order then report we could all have the benefit of the info.
I don't notice fish eggs have an effect on my hormones, but they have always from a freezer, love them
I've been enjoying plain beef, keifer cheese, suet, and marrow. I had tried lots of new stuff like , wild duck and goose, and adrenals which felt good to me but I only took a small bite each time with surrounding fat, also I tried kidney again. I had liver and heart which I like but I over did the liver and it was all very strong before I got this fresh cut. It feels so comforting to eat mouth watering muscle roast.
I HATE KIDNEY. I have tried so hard to like it. I have tried it raw, cooked (multiple ways), frozen, fresh (that is best the day it was taken from the animal, I have tried cow, lamb, and pig... and I have tried high kidney, I've tried them all lots of times, but nothing is tolerable. I want so bad to like it b/c my mind says that it's good for me and eventually I will like it, but not yet. Does anybody have any recipe ideas? Maybe if I mix it with lots of sauce. I haven't tried soaking it in milk, but that's next.
Lowenherz are you able to get the very dark coconuts with the really fatty meat, or the light tan ones with the less fattier meat? Doesn't seem to be a lot of fat in the tan ones. And I'm not talking about the white ones they sell. And how are you expressing the fat out of the meat? thanks
Coconut juice and coconut meat.
meat their tastes
By fermented Kidney I meant high, but next time I will make 2 batches, one with raw milk and one in Whey, which I will continue to rinse and take a small bite each day until I like it or toss it. Thanks for the suggestions. It just seems strong. My high duck got an ammonia taste not like urine but, I also had a hard time with it. I'm not forcing the kidney, b/c I'm thinking maybe the ammonia/urea is not well tolerated.
Thanks for the tips
I did a video me eating organs from elk. Liver, lungs, heart and kidney.
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It is in German, sorry. My German is not that great too. -[ But I guess in Norwegian or Finnish few would understand.
Inger
I did a video of me eating organs from elk. Liver, lungs, heart and kidney.
They really are great!
It is in German, sorry. My German is not that great either. -[ But I guess in Norwegian or Finnish few would understand.
It turned out quite strange, but maybe it still can help newbies who have not eaten raw organs before.
http://youtu.be/asRh-gRadq0 (http://youtu.be/asRh-gRadq0)
Inger
Nice vid.
Are they GS's meat scissors?
I mystify my roommate because I never eat meat in front of her, but she keeps seeing these fatty cuts ending up in the fridge and then disappearing. "How are you losing weight eating all this fat?"
I mystify my roommate because I never eat meat in front of her, but she keeps seeing these fatty cuts ending up in the fridge and then disappearing. "How are you losing weight eating all this fat?"Tell her the truth: ‘the more I eat, the faster I lose weight!’ ;)
@ TD,
I have so little practice speaking German here, it is cruel! I always forget the words when I need them.. -[ even if I do understand everything.
@ Nicolas,
oh thank you so much! :)
@ Adora,
you make me blush.. thank you for your nice words.
But I guess it is the food Adora, I do.
You want to know how I looked at 17 years old? Here;
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I was swollen, having a lot of allergies. I feel so much better now at 35. I guess wild food is something special, I do.
They give life. They makes you alive. That is the way it feels to me at least. ;)
I do not eat only wild, but always when I can I do. I am not eating 100% raw right now. I do make some fishbroth selfmade from wildcaught fresh fish.
I feel it does me good. I would not cook organs ever, like you. They are medicine to me, indeed.
Adora I do not know if pigs organs are that great. I never had them though.. but I do not eat pig. Seldom boar.
Can't you get lambs organs or beef or goat or such? I bet they would be better!
If you like pepperoni with cheese, maybe you would like these raw fishbuns I made today?
They turned out spicy and hot. ;)
I just mixed raw wildcaught cod (a few days prefrozen) with,
fresh organic ginger
fresh organic chili
fresh marjoram
fresh organic leek
wild raw honey
organic white wine vinegar
sea salt
raw organic butter
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I served them with wild, selfpicked soaked mushrooms.
It was so delicious! I made hubby some fishbuns too but cooked, at the same time.
Adora, you will get healthy I know! It just takes some time.
You should try the icebaths Adora! I bet they wild help your diabetes! You just have to start carefully, little by little.
Not like me. I got a cold I still have it, cause I did naked snowbaths.. too long and too many. -X
I just lay there in the snow and later I was freezing.. for an hour.. but I loved it and then I got the cold. Ha.
Your sister in-raw from the north :-*
PS I'll be eating organs this week too, but all pig, I pick them up Thursday. They are eating grain and scraps, but the farm they live on has healthy practices. The animals are all beautiful. There isn't much else for them to eat this time of year. I hope it is healthy for me. My head can do funny things. I still like peperoni with raw cheese, I confess. But , I really don't like cooked organ meat at all. Much better raw.
I would worry less about what the pigs are eating than other animals, pigs naturally having a pretty varied diet.
For things like cows though, who should be grazing on grass, that would be an issue.
Oh my gosh! Everything about you in that video is so cute... so feminine!
I have no idea what you were saying there for 10 minutes... but you look like a star!
And that voice.... smile smile smile.
Can I re-upload this same video so I can add English notes?
Inger isst Innereien vom Elch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asRh-gRadq0#)
It really helps that GS's videos include segments in which his young children appear. They are so sweet, and conjure up a wholesome image of a natural, raw-eating family, whereas cooked-food-eaters like to wrongly portray us as being solely loners who eat raw meats and are somehow "lucky" l) not to get food-poisoning etc.Sure, I like that aspect. I don't think Zaidi was trying to imply that there's nothing good at all in GS's videos/images or anyone else's (nor was I) and I thought Zaidi was rather polite about it.
whereas cooked-food-eaters like to wrongly portray us as being solely loners...
I ate chocolate crap 3 times this week. Each time swearing I wouldn't ever do it again.
GS is the admin/owner of our site, not just a mere Global Moderator. I also think that his videos are most fascinating and not off-putting at all. It really helps that GS's videos include segments in which his young children appear. They are so sweet, and conjure up a wholesome image of a natural, raw-eating family, whereas cooked-food-eaters like to wrongly portray us as being solely loners who eat raw meats and are somehow "lucky" l) not to get food-poisoning etc.
(By the way, it was your Videos of raw meat & fish & Lever with onions which I showed to my friend. Please don't mind it, your Videos were a source of great Encouragement for me, but for my "non paleo" friend they were not encouraging and attractive, but repulsive )
OMG. I am a little overwhelmed by the responses to my video. It was a very spontaneous one and far from perfect.
I did not expect this. But, nothing could make me more happy, then if it could be to help for someone! Indeed.
Inger
So,
I did another video from eating my lunch today. This time in english.
Sorry about my english - it is so not good.
I am eating grassfed beef and fat, no fancy recipes. I will make recipe-vidos too when I have the time.
Inger
Wow inger, you are radiant that is for sure!
Here's what I'm eating today, wild salmon roe and our own free range, organic, soy-free eggs, laid last night.
I realize that my eating salmon roe is kind of ironic considering what I've said about the sustainability of seafood but that is a new belief of mine, arrived at after I bought 10 lbs of roe this summer for $6usd/lb. Got to use it up! Apparently fish eggs are great sources of K2 I learned recently along with vitamin D and lots of other goodies. These eggs, are gorgeous even just to look at with their ruby red translucent shimmer. These are uncured, and they arrived to me in their skeins, all I do is pull them out with my fingers and pop them in my mouth! They're also delcious with creme fraiche!
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Cheers!
PS sorry my cam isn't clearer, it's my iphone and it's more than a bit stubborn!
What cut of meat do you choose? Is it a roast that you cut the fat off of then stored on an open dish in the fridge? Does it work better with a large piece? Can you chisel off from right from the start or do you need to wait until it forms a layer? Have you ever tried it with a pork roast? I am liking salt lately. Would it be OK to put salt or other spices if I wanted on the outside and let it all age? Does it smell up the fridge? I don't want to push my husband over the edge.
Hi Adora!
I used roast, the piece what you use for roast beef? In German it is Braten. It has little fat and is quite cheap indeed.
Not tender, but it gets tender when it stays for so long. :)
No the fat was separate, muscle fat from beef. I had in slightly packed in my fridge, but some air could circulate. I do cut off the outer part first and use just the inner part of the fat when it get so old. The outer part gets quite oxidized I guess.
You can cut off from the start if you want to, I do to. It is good all time.
Do not use salt. It destroys good bacteria and "kills" the meat. I think salt for storing is no good.
If you want salt, sprinkle it on the top after you cut off a piece and just before eating! ;)
I am no fan of pig Adora.. -\ I have never tried that.
No it does not stink at all, as long as it gets air. I always use a wooden plate for my meat. It is better and it dries better.
Hope this helps.
Inger
adora I would be careful about pigs...especially their organs, we fed pigs up on corn and all the organic fruits and veggies they could eat and honest they had worms in their livers when we butchered them, totally gross, but it was because they were in a large pen and being slopped our left overs, and hung out with chickens(and their poo!) the guy who slaughtered them said it's pretty common in pigs livers cause most people don't have "free range" pigs lol so yeah, be careful, ask the people you are getting the stuff from if they have eaten the liver raw, know its condition, etc...I know another farm I would probably try their pig liver raw 'cause I trust them as farmers, know they actually know their own meat and they also have nicer pastures for their pigsIn all religious taboos there is a grain (pun intended) of truth. The Moslems stay away from pig meat and that is why.
I made a video where I look fat and old. My grandma used to say to the mirror, "Angie is that really you". I felt connected to her watching my video -\. Other than that, it's pretty good. I can't figure out how to put things on this site. Would an administrator make sure something isn't wrong with my profile please? Or tell me how to fix it so I can put photos and videos on the site. I was able to do it before, but not now.Here, I will put it up for you Adora! ;) haha Don't say that you look fat and old! You look much better than most women your age!
The video is called
Raw Chicken Salad and Organ Dinner Part 1
On You Tube
I'm going to put part 2 up in tommorrow afternoon. It is taking forever to upload.
Good night
Oh yeah fastest man in the WEST dude! haha Yeah I agree, watching a recipe is a lot funner and you learn more too! Im too fast! Man those organs look so fresh!Sully... you are fast.Waiting for the 2nd part.
Sully... you are fast.
So this was my dinner tonight. I ate it all alone. ;)
WOW thanks everybody. I am so glad you all liked it. I'm actually having a tough day, pheniox rising from the ashes day. It was great to get on line and have all of this encouragement. I liked making the video. My whole family helped. My husband, who is still totally grossed out, watched and filmed the whole thing and my daughter who is excited to get more into raw foods, and is already paleo, did all of the YouTube stuff for me.
I am really unhappy with the way I look in it tough. I have been staying up really late and working hard for days, so I have depleted my energy and my leptin, cortisol, and insulin have taken a beating. I think I need to turn off all electronics and use candles after dark for the next 2 months. So, I doubt I'll make a video for a while, but I loved doing it and I will again soon.
WOW thanks everybody. I am so glad you all liked it. I'm actually having a tough day, phoenix rising from the ashes day. It was great to get on line and have all of this encouragement. I liked making the video. My whole family helped. My husband, who is still totally grossed out, watched and filmed the whole thing and my daughter who is excited to get more into raw foods, and is already paleo, did all of the YouTube stuff for me.
I am really unhappy with the way I look in it, tough. I have been staying up really late and working hard for days, so I have depleted my energy and my leptin, cortisol, and insulin have taken a beating. I think I need to turn off all electronics and use candles after dark for the next 2 months. So, I doubt I'll make a video for a while, but I loved doing it and I will again soon.
Hi Adora
Congratulations on you and your family for putting up a great video.
Your movement between bench and spice cupboard, sink and cutlery draw, seemed fluid and agile and I couldn't see any noticeable signs of discomfort on your face.
Hopefully the knee and your ability to walk anew continues to progress nicely. (thankfully, theres always room for even more awareness)
You have great spirit.
Kind wishes, J
Brunch yesterday: Native Guava and Raw Beef Bone Marrow
My not so secret way of turning white hair to black again.
I'm growing long hair and I'd want all of it to stay black.
I noticed if I keep eating this high vitamin c + raw fat combo my hair stays black. If I'm off of this combo for a while I start getting white hair.
For those curious, I'm 42 and my peers have tons of white hair on them.
This technique has been working for me since 2008.
Here's my blog post about how to cure white hair and turn it black again. (http://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/10/28/how-to-cure-white-or-greying-hair-and-turn-them-all-black-again/)
Hey Inger,
I am interested in the website you mentioned you get your honey from? I live in the UK and would order some from them if it's possible.
I love to use as much wild as I can. I feel so great from it! The best.
Maybe next time I will try to add wild dried nettles... :)
Hi Wattlebird, do you do anything to keep the nettles from stinging you? I don't mind the sting on my hands, but I've never just eaten them fresh picked.
thanks Wattlebird, I'll try when they come in season
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- Have you ever eaten spleen separately? Do you notice any betterment after eating it?
- What about the blood? Have you noticed any effects of drinking the blood?
- Same question is about the Lungs. Geoff said there are no nutritional value of lungs. But for me important thing is if one feels some thing good after eating it or not.
Zadi - I don't know how I missed this. What raw animal foods have you tried so far? Thank you for all of your kindness
I did eat spleen before and I liked it much less. I think pig and chicken are less gamey than cow or lamb. I had lamb spleen before. It might just be that I'm getting used to organs. I feel that they are good for me, but my body is peculiar. I think I'm way over fed and it makes me fussy. Or maybe body is peculiar when it is sick or healing. I had a very different experience than Geoff with the lung. I went for lung the most. I thought about it hungrily between meals. I ate some fish and chicken to switch off of organs, but I'd get 1 or 2 pieces of lung too. I don't know if I will have the same experience next time, with a cow or if I'll be different and have different needs all of the time.
The blood was so good. I couldn't get much down b/c of the salt, but my butcher(Sam :-*) handed me the heart still warm and there were 2 good swallows of blood. It was amazing. I licked and squeezed it to pull every drop, before my mind kicked in to tell me how strange I looked. I'm sure my cave women ancestors used to drink it. I wonder why it is so uncommon today??? I think it might be easiest to get chicken blood. Some farmers sell them alive, the butchering isn't that tough, and we could have fresh blood. :P
@ Adora,
when I look at you in your video it makes me happy. Yes, really happy inside. :)
Now I guess you should really follow the Kruse-programm, it would do you SO much good!
I have f.lux http://stereopsis.com/flux/ (http://stereopsis.com/flux/)on my computer (just download it for free), and also additionally turn it on as dark as possible in the evenings.
I use mostly only candles after 8 pm.
I have started to shower my legs and arms with ice-cold water. I love this.
If anyone else is interested and do not know about it yet;
http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/ (http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/)
This is amazing.
Follow these three things;
Cold thermogenesis (adapting to cold through cold baths etc..)
As little artificial light as you can, only candles at night etc.. get to sleep at 10 pm
Seasonal eating (ketogenic in fall, winter and spring, carbs / fruits in summer only)
These three things have ALL to be done at the same time, and you will lengthen your telomeres.
Amazing stuff. How could the solution be so easy, for free! I know in my heart, this is the truth.
Inger
Here I am eating my lunch today. Sorry I got a call at the end. -X
rohe Fischbällchen-Preiselbeer-Mittagessen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO3y4d6Fqhw#)
I eat fishpate kind of sushistyle with cowberry dip. In the pate' I use;
Wildcaught raw and fresh codfillet
fresh ginger
fresh chili
leek
marjoram
raw butter
raw coconutoil
seasalt
1 eggyolk
wild sea buckthorn berries - instead of whitewine vinegar and honey as usual (it worked well!)
Mix all together in a food processor. Roll into balls.
I used wild Finnish cowberries as a dip, it tasted quite nice indeed! First time I did that. ;)
I thought about GS saying vit. C with fat helps your hair not turn gray. ;)
This is to a very large % wild. I love to use as much wild as I can. I feel so great from it! The best.
Maybe next time I will try to add wild dried nettles... :)
Inger
Dr kruse theory on fruit and carnivorous consumption sounds solid in places with 4 seasons.
Here in the tropics, the great healers tell me to follow the fruit seasons.
I love where I live, I've been up since 1am enjoying the warm breeze blowing through my house.
I lived in Ireland and England for a year and when we finally flew over Australian on the way back, the light and blues of the sky and ocean hit me I felt alive again.
I just love it.
Hi WodginaHe's in Perth. No doubt an empty desert with little real greenery or fauna.
are you now living in Australia?
Kind wishes, J
He's in Perth. No doubt an empty desert with little real greenery or fauna.
So if Dr Kruse is right; assuming people eat raw paleo style and only the foods that are naturally available to them (local and in-season foods), people in a temperate climate should live longer than people in a tropical climate, right?
Zadi I read, Becoming the Iceman too. He explains how importand it is to relax in the cold as much as possible. He does deep belly breathing 30 times before cold exposure to improve organ oxygen and to maintain a calm focus on your inner fire, which is the spot where you have the most warmth in your belly. The more relaxed you are the faster you adapt. After all what there to be tense about? I find that I feel better slow starting with my legs than I splash my face, then belly and chest then back. I only briefly expose my head b/c that the hardest. I at 25mins. I don't go by time I go by feel. First, it is shocking, then numb, then intense need to get out. That's when I get out but it is fun to time it.
This discussion is interesting but OFF-TOPIC.
Maybe create a new thread for this climate adaptation discussion?
I love the cold, the extra dark during winter, the fog, the bad weather etc. Maybe it's because I have more Neanderthal DNA than the average - who knows? At any rate, I feel sluggish and weak in the heat.
Yes Haai,
that is what his testings are showing.
Very intresting. People age faster in warm climates.
But the real bad thing is the biological mismatch what modern man has created.
Oranges in Finland in winter? 24/7 warm cozy houses and cars, when it is freezing cold outside..
Artificial lights late at night, disturbed sleep..
It will shorten your lifespan. That is the price you got to pay.
Cold, dark, foggy bad weather!?? ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! LOL.I only don't like lots of rain all that much.I love drizzle, snow, ice, thunder and lightning, and especially fog.
Tyler, where did you get your new Neanderthal genes? I can remember very well one of your emails (some years ago) in which you wrote that you HATE the bad UK weather. :o
Löwenherz
todays breakfast of greens(some grown by me) fresh egg yolks, relatively local (100mile) beef and liver
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woke up to a frozen chicken a few days ago :D
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Zadi I was only a few seconds at first too. I've been doing this almost all winter, on and off. Also, the majority of my 25 mins was in cold but not straight cold shower. I have since progressed to going to cold only - no warm water running at all. I thought it would be easy. It wasn't I made it just 8mins and i was so cold the coconut oil wouldn't spread on my skin. I tried a straight cold bath too, thinking I was well prepared. I just couldn't stand it maybe 25 secs. I think diabetes makes me slower to progress. I'm determined though. Needed to set the record straight. You'll probably be way ahead of me in no time, let me know. I'm really excited for you.
Also, what did you mean by NO CANDLES?
This discussion is interesting but OFF-TOPIC.
Maybe create a new thread for this climate adaptation discussion?
Fermented honey with egg yolks. Plop some yolks inside a jar of honey and dig in!Mmmm.. sound great Zeno! :)
Milt or soft roe also refers to the male genitalia of fish when they contain sperm, used as food.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milt)
It's fresh fig season. Hoorah! Yum, yum, yum, savor, savor, chew, chew.
It's fresh fig season. Hoorah! Yum, yum, yum, savor, savor, chew, chew.
The flower is not visible, as it blooms inside the infructescence. Although commonly referred to as a fruit, the fig is actually the infructescence or s?ion of the tree, known as a false fruit or multiple fruit, in which the flowers and seeds are borne. It is a hollow-ended stem containing many flowers. The small orifice (ostiole) visible on the middle of the fruit is a narrow passage, which allows to the specialized fig wasp, to enter the fruit and pollinate the flower, whereafter the fruit grows seeds.
The genus Dorstenia, which, like the fig, is in the mulberry family (Moraceae), exhibits similar tiny flowers arranged on a receptacle but in this case the receptacle is a more or less flat, open surface. It is a structure intermediate between the fig and the mulberry, where the fig corresponds in structure to an invaginated or inside-out mulberry.
The infrutescence is pollinated by a symbiosis with a kind of fig wasp. The fertilized female wasp enters the fig through the sicon, which is a tiny hole in the crown (the ostiole). She crawls on the inflorescence inside the fig and pollinates some of the female flowers. She lays her eggs inside some of the flowers and dies. After weeks of development in their galls, the male wasps emerge before females through holes they produce by chewing the galls. The male wasps then fertilize the females by depositing semen in the hole in the gall. The males later return to the females and enlarge the holes to facilitate the females to emerge. Then some males enlarge holes in the sicon, which enables females to disperse after collecting pollen from the developed male flowers. Females have a short time (<48 hours) to find another fig tree with receptive siconios to spread the pollen and assist the tree in reproduction.
o man i saw figs at the store..a little plastic clam shell of 5 unripe black mission figs for 6 dollars...Fresh figs and cherimoya are both pricey on a per .lb basis, but they are special treats that are well worth the price to me, in small quantities. Small price to pay for two of the favorite fruits of humans and chimps who are familiar with them. Plus, the price per nutrition, health benefit, and taste satisfaction is much better than many other foods. Price per .lb doesn't tell us much about what the food is really worth.
over fertilized plants are low in minerals so make up for the lack of rigidity with excess water.
In uruguay with little exaggeration, pretty much everyone has a fig tree in the yard, and guess what, they hardly eat them!! ahhhh.Good lord! Are they mad?
Good lord! Are they mad?
Good lord! Are they mad?
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Yumm, kangaroo!did you eat the organs? do you know if brain bird tastes nice?
Someone hit a Finch while I was grazing the cows near the road this morning, as it was in good shape and I've always wondered what songbirds taste like I pulled back the leg skin and feathers and ate the meat that was only just enough to taste being these birds are so tiny. It always amazes me how vital and energy filled wild meats are. The flesh was not pale like the chicken you see in stores (though a truly free range chicken is much closer to a wild meat) but it was different shades of ruby and the taste was nothing pronounced, just like really delicious chicken. Tomorrow I'll probably take a dove since they hang around a lot and are fairly plump. I should really just butcher some of our chickens though!!
Pollen.I loathe pollen. I got hold of organic, sundried pollen(presumably all-raw etc.) and it just made me feel ultra-hot inside, as though I had swallowed some chilli.
It's a short name... but extremely tasty and fulfilling, especially since I didn't have any for a very long time. Of course, I ate other foods as well today!
I currently eat raw wild boar shoulder or raw moufflon shoulder, most of the time. The benefit is that it's all raw wild game, no mere grassfed meat. On the other hand, I am unable to get hold of raw organ-meats at all, and that worries me a little.I was in the same situation in Switzerland: never had any organs (the Swiss hunters eat the liver themselves and I don't know what they do with the other organs). It lasted from the start in 1987 until I moved here in 2008. I had to overcome a psychological blockage (advised by GCB himself when he was staying here) but now I like liver very much. Still have to get used to other organs. But as I've always eaten a lot of shellfish - and eggs when I could obtain some - I don't think I've got any deficiency.
I also eat nonorganic fruits and very occasional veg. For some reason, low quality, raw plant foods don't affect me in the decidedly negative way that low quality raw animal foods do.Yes, same here. The reason is certainly that animals, even more so big predators, are at the end of the food chain and bio-concentrate the toxins while there is no such concentration in plants — except in mushrooms which concentrate radioactivity, for example.
i tried the lamb "dog food" (meat, livers, heart) IT IS SO AMAZING. way better then the lamb meat along, and its very finely ground so its almost like pate...very bright red. i am going to try an order 10 pounds :)
i had cod with basil pesto too! :)Looks soooo good! I want to eat more!!! :)
Traditional raw beef brain recipe from the northern Ilocos province.
- 1/4 raw beef brain
- 5 to 6 calamansi or 1/2 a lemon
- a small onion chopped
- half a teaspoon of freshly chopped cayenne
Mix in a bowl, I just cut up the mushy gel like brain in roughly 1 inch cubes. The brain will keep for 1 week or more in the refrigerator. I eat just 1/4 to 1/5 of the brain each day. The purpose of the calamansi or lemon is to kill the sharp taste of fresh brain blood.
where do you order this from?
edit: ah, found it, from the farm you're on presently. i was wondering why you would 'order' when you're living off the land ;)
Fresh oysters can be euphoric,
I ate two dozen last weekend at myrtle beach.
Eggs are pastured and soy free
"... food scraps/leftovers from the farmer's kitchen (which they love!). These pastured chickens are also given an organic mineral rich supplement food (see ingredients below).Thus there is very probably cooked food scraps/leftovers. I wonder what is "nutribalancer". Wheat and corn I know. Crab meal and peanut meal are processed foods - not natural and certainly overheated.
...
Certified Organic Chicken Feed: cracked corn, wheat, crab meal, peanut meal, nutribalancer, aragonite."
Grasshoppers taste good?
What parts you remove?
I also heard they can stick to your throat. Another thing I heard was if you squeeze the grasshopper from the middle to the back as you hold its wings you can squeeze the poop out of it.
Hi Mark, vinegar is not paleo!
Sometimes fruit ferments into vinegar if left to ferment. How about that?Right, so raw apple cider vinegar with "mother of vinegar" in it is rawpalaeo.
Sometimes fruit ferments into vinegar if left to ferment. How about that?Yes, sure, this happens sometimes. First ethanol is produced by fermentation of sugars and next acetic acid (the main component of vinegar apart water) by oxidation of ethanol. Some fermented fruits containing a bit of ethanol are very tasty, but when they have reached the next rotting stage and contain acetic acid, about nobody would eat it!
I had an ORGANIC cherimoya.......which I have to admit I was kind of under impressed :( It tasted like a pineapple, but not as sweet or acidic with banana like texture. My instincts told me it was something I probably shouldn't eat again, especially cause of my negative reactions to pineapples and how similar it tastes. It probably was not the best quality because it had to be picked so soon to pack and ship. But I figured it was a once in a lifetime thing unless I find myself under a ripe cherimoya tree :) I saved the seeds, anyone have land in Columbia?
I have been eating a lot more aged raw rib meats and raw marrow lately, raw lamb shoulder chops, raw pork chops, moldy lamb fat that tastes like cookies, also some really high quality dates and dried figs from the tree at the house, lots of raw egg yolks from chickens fed sprouted grains and greens and eggs and kelp, raw grassfed swiss cheese, lots of cooked zuchinni, raw lettuce and fennel, small amounts of celeriac and jicama, coconut meat and Fuerte avocados, lots of seaweed and salt, much less herbal tea. Also raw tuna from the pacific...
Wow, look so yummy!
Are you eating maca to boost your testosterone? Would you consider that it is much like how eating soy boosts estrogen? Unnaturally and unsustainably and perhaps deleteriously?
Just noticed why this topic is in the wrong section - Off Topic.
No, this is On Topic... maybe to General Discussions? Then pin it?
Aged beef tail, short ribs and lamb shoulder chops and weird remnants of past meals. The shirt ribs are 3-5 months old, tail is maybe only 2 months and the bones and such could be 8 months old. I just hung them until they were dry and store then I. This little mesh bag. The meat is excellent, kind if like cheesy dry jerky. Some pieces are buttery and crumbly. The ligaments eventually dry and are easy to eat. I just chew on them from time to time. The more red piece in the upper left corner is what the inside of the short ribs look like.
I just binged on homemade dried pork bacon, dried beef heart, raw yolks and dried pork loin. ( drying at low ~35 C temp.)
Thought RPD will help to reduce my compulsive overeating, but I was wrong.
pork bacon...
No sugar, no salt, just dried meat and fat. It proves that, when food is used for emotional reasons, then it doesn't matter if it is raw or cooked or dried.
I knew a girl who was a binge-eater, and only lasted a month on a raw (vegan) diet, because she was still suffering from her compulsory eating pattern at that time.I wouldn't even last 2 weeks on vegan diet!
I wouldn't even last 2 weeks on vegan diet!Haha I don't know for myself, I eat plenty of meat so maybe a week or two without any wouldn't be so bad. When it's warmer perhaps.
Eating raw chicken...Anyone care to share their experience with eating raw chicken? Is it safe?
I've eaten raw chicken 5 times, and had no problem with it. It was organic chicken.The relevant health issue is whether the chicken is fed mostly- or wholly on grains or if the chickens are the result of very artificial breeding/inbreeding. If so, then it is very unhealthy, but likely would not harm a RVAFer if he has other sources of healthy raw animal foods as well. What a lot of people do not realise is that so-called "organic" chicken-meat is often allowed to come from intensively-bred factory chicks which have then been bred on organic foods(usually, sadly, only organic grains). I suppose if one had the time, one would be best advised to look for eggs/meat from "rare-breeds" and make sure the relevant farm raised their chickens mostly "pastured-fed"(ie fed on grass,worms and insects with just a little grain). RVAFers here report that their chicken-meats they raised are the tastiest if fed on a mostly carnivorous diet.
Eating raw chicken...Anyone care to share their experience with eating raw chicken? Is it safe?
It is only cage-free. Well, hopefully I don't get sick from it. We will see.
Probably not too smart of me to eat poultry raw... I wonder what it is about poultry that makes it more dangerous than other meat?The grainfeeding of poultry and the intensive breeding of almost all poultry.
I eat organic, free range, heavily grain-fed chicken all the time.